Two issues with new machine.

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by Jim, Aug 30, 2009.

  1. Jim

    Jim Guest

    I just built a new Vista 64-bit machines, and I have two problems.
    First, only 4 GB of the 6 GB I have installed is showing up in Windows
    System. I am fairly certain I installed all the DIMMs correctly.

    Second, the machine will not boot unless I have a thumb drive
    installed. This is the craziest aspect, but it does not seem to find
    the BIOS unless I have a second copy of the BIN of the BIOS on the
    thumb drive. I know that can not be the *real* reason, as the BIOS on
    the thumb drive is just code. I think something is wrong in the way
    my hardware is configured, but I don't know what.

    The two problems may be related in some way.

    Thank you for your help!

    Jim
    Jim, Aug 30, 2009
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    Dennis Pack Guest

    Jim:
    For the not seeing 6 GB ram and only reading 4 GB ram, there is a bios
    setting to remap the ram to read over 4 GB. For having to have a thumb drive
    installed, verify that Bitlocker isn't installed.

    --
    Dennis Pack
    Win-7 RC 7100

    "Jim" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I just built a new Vista 64-bit machines, and I have two problems.
    > First, only 4 GB of the 6 GB I have installed is showing up in Windows
    > System. I am fairly certain I installed all the DIMMs correctly.
    >
    > Second, the machine will not boot unless I have a thumb drive
    > installed. This is the craziest aspect, but it does not seem to find
    > the BIOS unless I have a second copy of the BIN of the BIOS on the
    > thumb drive. I know that can not be the *real* reason, as the BIOS on
    > the thumb drive is just code. I think something is wrong in the way
    > my hardware is configured, but I don't know what.
    >
    > The two problems may be related in some way.
    >
    > Thank you for your help!
    >
    > Jim
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    Carlos Guest

    Jim,
    What is exactly "will not boot"?
    BIOS boot won't start or Windows will not boot?
    My best guess is that you get the BIOS boot screens but can't boot into
    Windows.
    Unplug your thumb drive, put your Windows installation DVD in the drive and
    restart.
    Boot off the installation DVD and repair Windows boot.
    That should fix it.
    Regarding the 6GB/4GB issue:
    1.- Are memory banks configured according your motherboard specification?
    2.-What does BIOS say during boot about the amount of installed memory?
    Carlos

    "Jim" wrote:

    > I just built a new Vista 64-bit machines, and I have two problems.
    > First, only 4 GB of the 6 GB I have installed is showing up in Windows
    > System. I am fairly certain I installed all the DIMMs correctly.
    >
    > Second, the machine will not boot unless I have a thumb drive
    > installed. This is the craziest aspect, but it does not seem to find
    > the BIOS unless I have a second copy of the BIN of the BIOS on the
    > thumb drive. I know that can not be the *real* reason, as the BIOS on
    > the thumb drive is just code. I think something is wrong in the way
    > my hardware is configured, but I don't know what.
    >
    > The two problems may be related in some way.
    >
    > Thank you for your help!
    >
    > Jim
    >
    Carlos, Aug 30, 2009
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  4. Jim

    Jim Guest

    On Aug 30, 2:11 pm, Carlos <> wrote:
    > Jim,
    > What is exactly "will not boot"?
    > BIOS boot won't start or Windows will not boot?
    > My best guess is that you get the BIOS boot screens but can't boot into
    > Windows.


    I am not even able to get the BIOS screens without the thumb drive
    installed. I know it sounds *nuts,* but then (with the thumb drive
    installed) I get the quick ASUS message, then the flash screen, and I
    have the option of going into the BIOS or tab to watch the devices.

    > Unplug your thumb drive, put your Windows installation DVD in the drive and
    > restart.
    > Boot off the installation DVD and repair Windows boot.
    > That should fix it.


    I tried that, and the machine still would not boot without the thumb
    drive installed. I then booted from the Windows disc, and I have
    fully installed Windows. I still require the thumb drive to be
    installed to continue to boot. I think it may have something to do
    with the memory.

    > Regarding the 6GB/4GB issue:
    > 1.- Are memory banks configured according your motherboard specification?
    > 2.-What does BIOS say during boot about the amount of installed memory?


    I have three 2 GB sticks of Muchkin DDR-3 memory installed in the
    three orange slots of an ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 board. The BIOS reports 4
    GB of "usable memory," whaever that means. Both SIW and CPU-Z see the
    6 GB, and they know it is Mushkin memory, but Windows and the BIOS do
    not see it. So it must be in the slots correctly. I think there is
    something wrong with the BIOS configuration of the memory, but I don't
    know where? I've read that the i7 920s require a special setting in
    the BIOS. I also said to use SPD and perhaps I should tell the BIOS
    how fast my memory is. It is very fast memory.

    Thanks! I think we are getting somewhere!

    Jim
    Jim, Aug 31, 2009
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  5. Jim

    Jim Guest

    I just found this post on another site. It sounds as if *lots* of
    people are having trouble with similiar boards, processors, and memory
    configurations. He was also having my boot problems, although I was
    able to solve it with the thumb drive.

    I think somebody on this forum will come up with the answer.

    Jim



    Hi. I have a similar problem but it hasn't become that annoying yet.
    Let me explain:
    I have purcased the following components in order to build a core i7
    system especially for OC:
    CPU Core i7 920 D0 step
    Mobo ASUS P6T Deluxe V2
    Mem Corsair DDR3 1600MHz 3x2GB tripple channel with timings 7-7-7-20

    When I first installed the parts the system wouldn't boot at all.
    There was power but no POST messages on the screen.
    I removed 1 DIMM and it booted with 2x2GB=4GB. I thought I had a bad
    slot/DIMM but first I tried to flash the BIOS with the latest version
    and then give it a 2nd try and fortunately it recognized all 6GB but
    at 1066MHz as I hadn't started experimenting with OC the 920 at that
    time so it was running at its stock freq. 2.67GHz. Recently I started
    experimenting with OC and I managed to get the 920 up to 4GHz with a
    21 multiplier and 190BCLK: this pushed the memory close to its rated
    limit but not at 1600MHz: it went around 1533MHz and I also lowered
    the timings from 9-9-9-24 to 7-7-7-20, the rated max. values. Still no
    problem with the amount of avail. memory. 6GB both in POST and OS
    (64bit obviously). However when I tried 20 multiplier 200BCLK and
    7-7-7-20 timings, only 4GB were available. So is this a memory
    problem, a dimm slot problem or CPU mem controler? This is exactly as
    Bob Scott explained: When I back down the speed (1600--->1533) all 6GB
    are recognizable. Personally I don't mind running my mem at 1533
    because the 920 D0 stepping has a max multiplier of 21 so I can reach
    4GHz with lower BCLK (190 instead of 200) . As long as I don't see
    any change in POST/OS in total amount of memory while running at
    21x190BCLK, I will be happy.
    Jim, Aug 31, 2009
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  6. See
    http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=P6T Deluxe V2&SLanguage=en-us.
    There seem to be quite a few with problems with your board.

    Have you tried updating the BIOS? See Downloads at
    http://usa.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=QtpKQuERkuYw6trc.


    On 31/08/2009 04:32, Jim wrote:
    > On Aug 30, 2:11 pm, Carlos<> wrote:
    >> Jim,
    >> What is exactly "will not boot"?
    >> BIOS boot won't start or Windows will not boot?
    >> My best guess is that you get the BIOS boot screens but can't boot into
    >> Windows.

    >
    > I am not even able to get the BIOS screens without the thumb drive
    > installed. I know it sounds *nuts,* but then (with the thumb drive
    > installed) I get the quick ASUS message, then the flash screen, and I
    > have the option of going into the BIOS or tab to watch the devices.
    >
    >> Unplug your thumb drive, put your Windows installation DVD in the drive and
    >> restart.
    >> Boot off the installation DVD and repair Windows boot.
    >> That should fix it.

    >
    > I tried that, and the machine still would not boot without the thumb
    > drive installed. I then booted from the Windows disc, and I have
    > fully installed Windows. I still require the thumb drive to be
    > installed to continue to boot. I think it may have something to do
    > with the memory.
    >
    >> Regarding the 6GB/4GB issue:
    >> 1.- Are memory banks configured according your motherboard specification?
    >> 2.-What does BIOS say during boot about the amount of installed memory?

    >
    > I have three 2 GB sticks of Muchkin DDR-3 memory installed in the
    > three orange slots of an ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 board. The BIOS reports 4
    > GB of "usable memory," whaever that means. Both SIW and CPU-Z see the
    > 6 GB, and they know it is Mushkin memory, but Windows and the BIOS do
    > not see it. So it must be in the slots correctly. I think there is
    > something wrong with the BIOS configuration of the memory, but I don't
    > know where? I've read that the i7 920s require a special setting in
    > the BIOS. I also said to use SPD and perhaps I should tell the BIOS
    > how fast my memory is. It is very fast memory.
    >
    > Thanks! I think we are getting somewhere!
    >
    > Jim
    Dominic Payer, Aug 31, 2009
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  7. Jim

    Carlos Guest

    Jim,
    I guess your PC was not born with the thumb drive plugged in.
    :)
    So, what changed between the day when your PC was "thumbless" to the day it
    became thumb dependent?
    The 6GB/4GB issue is BIOS dependent according to your data so try to
    interprent the small print in the mobo's manual carefully. There are usually
    exceptions to the way all memory slots can be populated.
    Carlos

    "Jim" wrote:

    > On Aug 30, 2:11 pm, Carlos <> wrote:
    > > Jim,
    > > What is exactly "will not boot"?
    > > BIOS boot won't start or Windows will not boot?
    > > My best guess is that you get the BIOS boot screens but can't boot into
    > > Windows.

    >
    > I am not even able to get the BIOS screens without the thumb drive
    > installed. I know it sounds *nuts,* but then (with the thumb drive
    > installed) I get the quick ASUS message, then the flash screen, and I
    > have the option of going into the BIOS or tab to watch the devices.
    >
    > > Unplug your thumb drive, put your Windows installation DVD in the drive and
    > > restart.
    > > Boot off the installation DVD and repair Windows boot.
    > > That should fix it.

    >
    > I tried that, and the machine still would not boot without the thumb
    > drive installed. I then booted from the Windows disc, and I have
    > fully installed Windows. I still require the thumb drive to be
    > installed to continue to boot. I think it may have something to do
    > with the memory.
    >
    > > Regarding the 6GB/4GB issue:
    > > 1.- Are memory banks configured according your motherboard specification?
    > > 2.-What does BIOS say during boot about the amount of installed memory?

    >
    > I have three 2 GB sticks of Muchkin DDR-3 memory installed in the
    > three orange slots of an ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 board. The BIOS reports 4
    > GB of "usable memory," whaever that means. Both SIW and CPU-Z see the
    > 6 GB, and they know it is Mushkin memory, but Windows and the BIOS do
    > not see it. So it must be in the slots correctly. I think there is
    > something wrong with the BIOS configuration of the memory, but I don't
    > know where? I've read that the i7 920s require a special setting in
    > the BIOS. I also said to use SPD and perhaps I should tell the BIOS
    > how fast my memory is. It is very fast memory.
    >
    > Thanks! I think we are getting somewhere!
    >
    > Jim
    >
    Carlos, Aug 31, 2009
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  8. Jim

    Jim Guest

    On Aug 31, 7:09 am, Carlos <> wrote:

    > I guess your PC was not born with the thumb drive plugged in.
    > :)


    Carlos,

    Very clever. However, it was serendipity that came across having the
    thumb drive installed and making the computer boot. <smile> It did
    not work properly until I had done that. I originally insalled the
    thumb drive to bring the BIOS up to the latest version, but I already
    *had* the lastest version.

    > So, what changed between the day when your PC was "thumbless" to the day it
    > became thumb dependent?


    I tried to flash the BIOS.

    > The 6GB/4GB issue is BIOS dependent according to your data so try to
    > interprent the small print in the mobo's manual carefully. There are usually
    > exceptions to the way all memory slots can be populated.


    People all over the Internet are having this problem, so I think it is
    related to the i7 920, ASUS motherboards, and triple pumped memory. I
    have the memory in the correct three slots according to the manual,
    and I have all three in the orange slots. Both SIW and CPU-Z see all
    6 GB properly.

    Jim
    Jim, Aug 31, 2009
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  9. Jim

    Jim Guest

    On Aug 31, 1:12 am, Dominic Payer <> wrote:

    > Seehttp://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=P6T+Deluxe+V2&S....


    > There seem to be quite a few with problems with your board.


    Thanks! I am not alone! :)

    > Have you tried updating the BIOS? See Downloads athttp://usa.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=QtpKQuERkuYw6trc.


    The first thing I did was to flash to the latest BIOS. Thank you for
    the information! :)

    Jim
    Jim, Aug 31, 2009
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  10. Jim

    Carlos Guest

    Jim,
    The thumb drive thing still baffles me.
    How far do you get after powering up your pc without the thumb drive plugged
    in?
    No video, no messages, no beeps?
    Have you tried resetting the BIOS?
    Carlos

    "Jim" wrote:

    > On Aug 31, 7:09 am, Carlos <> wrote:
    >
    > > I guess your PC was not born with the thumb drive plugged in.
    > > :)

    >
    > Carlos,
    >
    > Very clever. However, it was serendipity that came across having the
    > thumb drive installed and making the computer boot. <smile> It did
    > not work properly until I had done that. I originally insalled the
    > thumb drive to bring the BIOS up to the latest version, but I already
    > *had* the lastest version.
    >
    > > So, what changed between the day when your PC was "thumbless" to the day it
    > > became thumb dependent?

    >
    > I tried to flash the BIOS.
    >
    > > The 6GB/4GB issue is BIOS dependent according to your data so try to
    > > interprent the small print in the mobo's manual carefully. There are usually
    > > exceptions to the way all memory slots can be populated.

    >
    > People all over the Internet are having this problem, so I think it is
    > related to the i7 920, ASUS motherboards, and triple pumped memory. I
    > have the memory in the correct three slots according to the manual,
    > and I have all three in the orange slots. Both SIW and CPU-Z see all
    > 6 GB properly.
    >
    > Jim
    >
    Carlos, Aug 31, 2009
    #10
  11. After trying to flash the BIOS did you remove the thumb drive and clear
    the CMOS data? After this you should load optimised or fail-safe
    defaults and then customise the settings for your set-up. It seems that
    at boot the board is accessing the thumb drive BIOS copy not the
    on-board chip.

    With new chipsets and hardware there is always the possibility of
    incompatible firmwares and BIOSes in disks, graphics cards, etc. apart
    from faulty components generating noise on startup and confusing the
    system. Remove everything non-essential and see if it will boot
    normally. If so, add things in stages until you find what is causing
    problems.


    On 31/08/2009 16:19, Jim wrote:
    > On Aug 31, 7:09 am, Carlos<> wrote:
    >
    >> I guess your PC was not born with the thumb drive plugged in.
    >> :)

    >
    > Carlos,
    >
    > Very clever. However, it was serendipity that came across having the
    > thumb drive installed and making the computer boot.<smile> It did
    > not work properly until I had done that. I originally insalled the
    > thumb drive to bring the BIOS up to the latest version, but I already
    > *had* the lastest version.
    >
    >> So, what changed between the day when your PC was "thumbless" to the day it
    >> became thumb dependent?

    >
    > I tried to flash the BIOS.
    >
    >> The 6GB/4GB issue is BIOS dependent according to your data so try to
    >> interprent the small print in the mobo's manual carefully. There are usually
    >> exceptions to the way all memory slots can be populated.

    >
    > People all over the Internet are having this problem, so I think it is
    > related to the i7 920, ASUS motherboards, and triple pumped memory. I
    > have the memory in the correct three slots according to the manual,
    > and I have all three in the orange slots. Both SIW and CPU-Z see all
    > 6 GB properly.
    >
    > Jim
    Dominic Payer, Aug 31, 2009
    #11
  12. Jim

    Jim Guest

    On Aug 31, 10:38 am, Carlos <> wrote:

    > How far do you get after powering up your pc without the thumb drive plugged
    > in?
    > No video, no messages, no beeps?
    > Have you tried resetting the BIOS?
    > Carlos


    Carlos,

    I don't even get the "Loading ASUS Express Gate" flashing across the
    screen unless the thumb drive is installed. I finally have things
    improved, although not fixed, with the memory, with the help of
    Mushkin and changing all of the settings manually, but the computer
    will not boot without the thumb drive. The machine is much peppier
    with the new manual memory settings but it does not see the 6 GB in
    Device Manager. Both CPU-Z and SIW see the memory, and CPU-Z tells me
    that it is in the correct slots.

    I think you were on to something earlier when you said that this is a
    machine that simply likes to suck it's thumb? <smile>

    Jim
    Jim, Sep 1, 2009
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  13. Jim

    Jim Guest

    On Aug 31, 10:57 am, Dominic Payer <> wrote:
    > After trying to flash the BIOS did you remove the thumb drive and clear
    > the CMOS data? After this you should load optimised or fail-safe
    > defaults and then customise the settings for your set-up. It seems that
    > at boot the board is accessing the thumb drive BIOS copy not the
    > on-board chip.
    >
    > With new chipsets and hardware there is always the possibility of
    > incompatible firmwares and BIOSes in disks, graphics cards, etc. apart
    > from faulty components generating noise on startup and confusing the
    > system. Remove everything non-essential and see if it will boot
    > normally. If so, add things in stages until you find what is causing
    > problems.
    >

    I could also having problems migrating stuff to a 64-bit system.
    However, I don't think that is it. I do have peripherals, but not all
    that much.

    Jim
    Jim, Sep 1, 2009
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  14. Jim

    Jim Guest

    On Aug 31, 10:24 pm, Jim <> wrote:

    Mushkin says that either my memory has to be bad or my slots are bad.
    However, I do not think it is that easy. I think the problem could be
    elsewhere, especially with the i7 920 X58 chipset combination. I have
    heard of lots of reports of problems on the Internet.

    Jim
    Jim, Sep 2, 2009
    #14
  15. I presume you are fully knowledgeable that this forum is for discussions
    of problems with 64-bit Windows operating systems and is not a hardware
    forum.


    Jim wrote:
    > On Aug 31, 10:24 pm, Jim <> wrote:
    >
    > Mushkin says that either my memory has to be bad or my slots are bad.
    > However, I do not think it is that easy. I think the problem could be
    > elsewhere, especially with the i7 920 X58 chipset combination. I have
    > heard of lots of reports of problems on the Internet.
    >
    > Jim
    Bobby Johnson, Sep 2, 2009
    #15
  16. Jim

    Carlos Guest

    Jim,
    This morning I woke up with a hunch.
    Unplug your thumb drive and plug there any USB device you have, e.g., a
    webcam.
    Restart your PC and see what happens.
    I've got the feeling that either your mobo or power supply is needing a
    little current drain on the +5VUSB power supply to start.
    Some piece of hardware ain't working as it should there.
    Carlos

    "Jim" wrote:

    > On Aug 31, 10:38 am, Carlos <> wrote:
    >
    > > How far do you get after powering up your pc without the thumb drive plugged
    > > in?
    > > No video, no messages, no beeps?
    > > Have you tried resetting the BIOS?
    > > Carlos

    >
    > Carlos,
    >
    > I don't even get the "Loading ASUS Express Gate" flashing across the
    > screen unless the thumb drive is installed. I finally have things
    > improved, although not fixed, with the memory, with the help of
    > Mushkin and changing all of the settings manually, but the computer
    > will not boot without the thumb drive. The machine is much peppier
    > with the new manual memory settings but it does not see the 6 GB in
    > Device Manager. Both CPU-Z and SIW see the memory, and CPU-Z tells me
    > that it is in the correct slots.
    >
    > I think you were on to something earlier when you said that this is a
    > machine that simply likes to suck it's thumb? <smile>
    >
    > Jim
    >
    Carlos, Sep 2, 2009
    #16
  17. Jim

    Jim Guest

    > This morning I woke up with a hunch.
    > Unplug your thumb drive and plug there any USB device you have, e.g., a
    > webcam.
    > Restart your PC and see what happens.
    > I've got the feeling that either your mobo or power supply is needing a
    > little current drain on the +5VUSB power supply to start.
    > Some piece of hardware ain't working as it should there.


    Carlos,

    That could be? I have a brand new Enermax 1050 watt power supply.It
    could be too much for what I have plugged in. I had a previous RAID 5
    system with four drives, although the new video card takes quite a bit
    more juice than the old one did.

    I'll have to try it next week, as I want to get away from the machine
    for a weekend.

    Thanks again! :)

    Jim
    Jim, Sep 3, 2009
    #17
  18. Jim

    Jim Guest

    On Sep 2, 7:00 am, Bobby Johnson <>
    wrote:
    > I presume you are fully knowledgeable that this forum is for discussions
    > of problems with 64-bit Windows operating systems and is not a hardware
    > forum.


    Bobby,

    Yes, I am; but the 6 GB of memory not showing up in Windows Sysem
    could be an operating system issue. Besides, people without 64-bit
    operating systems, couldn't be running more than 4 GB of memory.

    Thank you.

    Jim
    Jim, Sep 3, 2009
    #18
  19. Jim

    Carlos Guest

    Jim,
    I'll be on vacations as of tomorrow till mid September so I won't be able to
    follow your posts (vacation = fully unplugged).
    I did not mean that 1 KW was not enough for your rig, what I said is that
    maybe your mobo or your PSU might be needing (dunno why) a _little_ standby
    current for starting up.
    Best of luck.
    Carlos

    "Jim" wrote:

    > > This morning I woke up with a hunch.
    > > Unplug your thumb drive and plug there any USB device you have, e.g., a
    > > webcam.
    > > Restart your PC and see what happens.
    > > I've got the feeling that either your mobo or power supply is needing a
    > > little current drain on the +5VUSB power supply to start.
    > > Some piece of hardware ain't working as it should there.

    >
    > Carlos,
    >
    > That could be? I have a brand new Enermax 1050 watt power supply.It
    > could be too much for what I have plugged in. I had a previous RAID 5
    > system with four drives, although the new video card takes quite a bit
    > more juice than the old one did.
    >
    > I'll have to try it next week, as I want to get away from the machine
    > for a weekend.
    >
    > Thanks again! :)
    >
    > Jim
    >
    Carlos, Sep 3, 2009
    #19
  20. Jim

    Jim Guest

    On Aug 31, 10:38 am, Carlos <> wrote:
    > Jim,
    > The thumb drive thing still baffles me.
    > How far do you get after powering up your pc without the thumb drive plugged
    > in?
    > No video, no messages, no beeps?
    > Have you tried resetting the BIOS?
    > Carlos


    Hi Carlos,

    I've *finally* fixed the thumb drive problem. I turned off "Express
    Gate" in the BIOS. Evidently "Express Gate" adds a ten-second delay
    to the boot, and I thought the thumb drive was helping. With Express
    Gate disable the machine boots fine.

    Thank you for all your help through the years.

    I am still having trouble with the memory, and I am down to five
    possibilities: (a) bad memory, (b) bad memory slot, (c) impropper
    BIOS settings, (d) incorrectly inserted CPU, or (e) incompatible
    memory with the motherboard. Some of these are easier to test than
    others.

    I am somewhat inclined to stick with 4 GB of recognized memory and
    just go with it. Tha't easier than taking out the CPU. I have one of
    those *huge* fans, and there are two pages of people having these
    problems on the ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 site, and many of them could not
    fix the problem no matter *what* they did.

    Jim
    Jim, Sep 23, 2009
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