Trouble running trial version setup

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by =?Utf-8?B?SmF5IFdhZ25lcg==?=, Oct 18, 2007.

  1. Hi - this is my first post here. I am having trouble running XP Pro 64-bit
    trial setup. I had downloaded the ISO from Microsoft, and burned it onto a
    CD-ROM. Ran the setup from boot, and the setup program goes through its
    process loading the drivers and whatnot that is needed for setup.

    However, after it's done loading everything needed, the setup program
    reboots my machine - I didn't get a chance to choose where I wanted to setup
    the OS, or whatever. From what I can tell, the program reboots after the
    message "loading Windows NT file system" or something like that - can't be
    absolutely sure, as it only appears very briefly. I don't see any kind of
    error message, either.

    I've tried re-downloading the ISO, thinkning I had a corrupt download, but
    the 2nd one I got is the exact same size as the original, so I don't think
    this is the problem. I don't think I have a corrupt burn either - otherwise
    setup wouldn't run in the first place, right? Nevertheless, the program I
    used for that didn't give me any error, either. The hardware has been
    working fine since Day 1 I got this machine 2 years ago.

    I have checked with the manufacturer of my motherboard for a BIOS update I
    seem to already have the latest - last updated back in May, 2006, so I don't
    think it's an issue with that. I have heard some having trouble with Raid
    support, but I have this disabled in my BIOS as I don't have a need for it.

    Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure I covered the common
    problems first. I would really appreciate any input.

    Here are my specs:

    Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (this *should* support the OS)
    Memory: 1 GB DDR 400
    Hard Disk: I have 2 - 1 SATA 120 MB drive (Western Digital, has 32-bit XP
    Pro), & 1 IDE 6 GB drive (Quantum Fireball - this is the drive I intend to
    install the 64-bit trial - it's empty)
    =?Utf-8?B?SmF5IFdhZ25lcg==?=, Oct 18, 2007
    #1
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  2. Your MB/Chipset may require you to supply the RAID driver on a Floppy, at
    the "F6" message for SATA support - not unusual 2 years ago!

    Otherwise, you should be fine, as far as I can see - Note, although the disc
    is booting it is no guarantee that the image has binary equality, if unsure
    use the checksum to verify.


    Tony. . .


    "Jay Wagner" <Jay > wrote in message
    news:D...
    > Hi - this is my first post here. I am having trouble running XP Pro
    > 64-bit
    > trial setup. I had downloaded the ISO from Microsoft, and burned it onto
    > a
    > CD-ROM. Ran the setup from boot, and the setup program goes through its
    > process loading the drivers and whatnot that is needed for setup.
    >
    > However, after it's done loading everything needed, the setup program
    > reboots my machine - I didn't get a chance to choose where I wanted to
    > setup
    > the OS, or whatever. From what I can tell, the program reboots after the
    > message "loading Windows NT file system" or something like that - can't be
    > absolutely sure, as it only appears very briefly. I don't see any kind of
    > error message, either.
    >
    > I've tried re-downloading the ISO, thinkning I had a corrupt download, but
    > the 2nd one I got is the exact same size as the original, so I don't think
    > this is the problem. I don't think I have a corrupt burn either -
    > otherwise
    > setup wouldn't run in the first place, right? Nevertheless, the program I
    > used for that didn't give me any error, either. The hardware has been
    > working fine since Day 1 I got this machine 2 years ago.
    >
    > I have checked with the manufacturer of my motherboard for a BIOS update I
    > seem to already have the latest - last updated back in May, 2006, so I
    > don't
    > think it's an issue with that. I have heard some having trouble with Raid
    > support, but I have this disabled in my BIOS as I don't have a need for
    > it.
    >
    > Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure I covered the common
    > problems first. I would really appreciate any input.
    >
    > Here are my specs:
    >
    > Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
    > CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (this *should* support the OS)
    > Memory: 1 GB DDR 400
    > Hard Disk: I have 2 - 1 SATA 120 MB drive (Western Digital, has 32-bit XP
    > Pro), & 1 IDE 6 GB drive (Quantum Fireball - this is the drive I intend to
    > install the 64-bit trial - it's empty)
    >
    Tony Sperling, Oct 18, 2007
    #2
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  3. With RAID disabled you should have no problem installing x64 XP on the K8N
    Platinum with an nForce 4 chipset.

    Either you have a bad burn - reburn at the lowest possible speed - or there
    is a memory or other hardware fault.

    Verify the checksum of the burned disk, and if it is OK try Memtest
    http://www.memtest.org/ to check the memory.




    "Jay Wagner" <Jay > wrote in message
    news:D...
    > Hi - this is my first post here. I am having trouble running XP Pro
    > 64-bit
    > trial setup. I had downloaded the ISO from Microsoft, and burned it onto
    > a
    > CD-ROM. Ran the setup from boot, and the setup program goes through its
    > process loading the drivers and whatnot that is needed for setup.
    >
    > However, after it's done loading everything needed, the setup program
    > reboots my machine - I didn't get a chance to choose where I wanted to
    > setup
    > the OS, or whatever. From what I can tell, the program reboots after the
    > message "loading Windows NT file system" or something like that - can't be
    > absolutely sure, as it only appears very briefly. I don't see any kind of
    > error message, either.
    >
    > I've tried re-downloading the ISO, thinkning I had a corrupt download, but
    > the 2nd one I got is the exact same size as the original, so I don't think
    > this is the problem. I don't think I have a corrupt burn either -
    > otherwise
    > setup wouldn't run in the first place, right? Nevertheless, the program I
    > used for that didn't give me any error, either. The hardware has been
    > working fine since Day 1 I got this machine 2 years ago.
    >
    > I have checked with the manufacturer of my motherboard for a BIOS update I
    > seem to already have the latest - last updated back in May, 2006, so I
    > don't
    > think it's an issue with that. I have heard some having trouble with Raid
    > support, but I have this disabled in my BIOS as I don't have a need for
    > it.
    >
    > Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure I covered the common
    > problems first. I would really appreciate any input.
    >
    > Here are my specs:
    >
    > Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
    > CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (this *should* support the OS)
    > Memory: 1 GB DDR 400
    > Hard Disk: I have 2 - 1 SATA 120 MB drive (Western Digital, has 32-bit XP
    > Pro), & 1 IDE 6 GB drive (Quantum Fireball - this is the drive I intend to
    > install the 64-bit trial - it's empty)
    >
    Dominic Payer, Oct 18, 2007
    #3
  4. Thanks Tony for your suggestion. If I have any further trouble, should I
    post a reply to this thread or start a new one?

    "Jay Wagner" wrote:

    > Hi - this is my first post here. I am having trouble running XP Pro 64-bit
    > trial setup. I had downloaded the ISO from Microsoft, and burned it onto a
    > CD-ROM. Ran the setup from boot, and the setup program goes through its
    > process loading the drivers and whatnot that is needed for setup.
    >
    > However, after it's done loading everything needed, the setup program
    > reboots my machine - I didn't get a chance to choose where I wanted to setup
    > the OS, or whatever. From what I can tell, the program reboots after the
    > message "loading Windows NT file system" or something like that - can't be
    > absolutely sure, as it only appears very briefly. I don't see any kind of
    > error message, either.
    >
    > I've tried re-downloading the ISO, thinkning I had a corrupt download, but
    > the 2nd one I got is the exact same size as the original, so I don't think
    > this is the problem. I don't think I have a corrupt burn either - otherwise
    > setup wouldn't run in the first place, right? Nevertheless, the program I
    > used for that didn't give me any error, either. The hardware has been
    > working fine since Day 1 I got this machine 2 years ago.
    >
    > I have checked with the manufacturer of my motherboard for a BIOS update I
    > seem to already have the latest - last updated back in May, 2006, so I don't
    > think it's an issue with that. I have heard some having trouble with Raid
    > support, but I have this disabled in my BIOS as I don't have a need for it.
    >
    > Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure I covered the common
    > problems first. I would really appreciate any input.
    >
    > Here are my specs:
    >
    > Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
    > CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (this *should* support the OS)
    > Memory: 1 GB DDR 400
    > Hard Disk: I have 2 - 1 SATA 120 MB drive (Western Digital, has 32-bit XP
    > Pro), & 1 IDE 6 GB drive (Quantum Fireball - this is the drive I intend to
    > install the 64-bit trial - it's empty)
    >
    =?Utf-8?B?SmF5IFdhZ25lcg==?=, Oct 18, 2007
    #4
  5. It's a good thing whenever we get an update - if it's within a few days,
    better do it here, as sometimes resolving problems can take quite a bit
    longer I'll leave it up to you. It doesn't really matter.

    If the issue changes completely during the while, contemplating a new thread
    would be in order, but we won't eat you either way, Jay!


    Tony. . .


    "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Thanks Tony for your suggestion. If I have any further trouble, should I
    > post a reply to this thread or start a new one?
    >
    > "Jay Wagner" wrote:
    >
    >> Hi - this is my first post here. I am having trouble running XP Pro
    >> 64-bit
    >> trial setup. I had downloaded the ISO from Microsoft, and burned it onto
    >> a
    >> CD-ROM. Ran the setup from boot, and the setup program goes through its
    >> process loading the drivers and whatnot that is needed for setup.
    >>
    >> However, after it's done loading everything needed, the setup program
    >> reboots my machine - I didn't get a chance to choose where I wanted to
    >> setup
    >> the OS, or whatever. From what I can tell, the program reboots after the
    >> message "loading Windows NT file system" or something like that - can't
    >> be
    >> absolutely sure, as it only appears very briefly. I don't see any kind
    >> of
    >> error message, either.
    >>
    >> I've tried re-downloading the ISO, thinkning I had a corrupt download,
    >> but
    >> the 2nd one I got is the exact same size as the original, so I don't
    >> think
    >> this is the problem. I don't think I have a corrupt burn either -
    >> otherwise
    >> setup wouldn't run in the first place, right? Nevertheless, the program
    >> I
    >> used for that didn't give me any error, either. The hardware has been
    >> working fine since Day 1 I got this machine 2 years ago.
    >>
    >> I have checked with the manufacturer of my motherboard for a BIOS update
    >> I
    >> seem to already have the latest - last updated back in May, 2006, so I
    >> don't
    >> think it's an issue with that. I have heard some having trouble with
    >> Raid
    >> support, but I have this disabled in my BIOS as I don't have a need for
    >> it.
    >>
    >> Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure I covered the common
    >> problems first. I would really appreciate any input.
    >>
    >> Here are my specs:
    >>
    >> Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
    >> CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (this *should* support the OS)
    >> Memory: 1 GB DDR 400
    >> Hard Disk: I have 2 - 1 SATA 120 MB drive (Western Digital, has 32-bit
    >> XP
    >> Pro), & 1 IDE 6 GB drive (Quantum Fireball - this is the drive I intend
    >> to
    >> install the 64-bit trial - it's empty)
    >>
    Tony Sperling, Oct 18, 2007
    #5
  6. Thanks you guys for your input. I've downloaded a newer driver for my SATA
    drive that supports the 64-bit version and extracted the zip file to a blank
    floppy. Then I rebooted, ran setup, and pressed F6 when prompted. This time
    I got further than before, so I pressed enter to bypass setting up the SATA
    (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not SATA.
    ;-) ), and it continued to load the rest of the drivers. However, it still
    reboots - I just get a little further than before (If it makes it easier to
    describe, I don't get to the 'End User Liscence Agreement' screen.)

    Puzzled, I called the store where I got my system 2 years ago (nice place to
    buy hardware, btw - http://www.infotechnow.com) , and spoke to a technician
    on the phone. We verified that the hardware I got supports this OS, however
    he suggested bringing it in as it's hard to tell what's going w/o taking a
    look. He told me he doesn't think I have a hardware problem - of course the
    only surefire way to tell is to send it in, which I don't want to do, as I am
    constantly using this machine.

    I've been using this computer for 2 years with no hardware problems.
    Dominic - I appreciate your suggestion of testing the memory, but if it was a
    memory problem, wouldn't that manifest itself when I'm using the 32-bit
    version (like the system rebooting by itself or something)? I *never* had
    a "BSOD" or a "Windows STOP" error since the time I've used this machine.

    The only suggestion he had was to contact Microsoft to get a CD from them -
    that way I know for sure I am getting a good copy, unless you guys can show
    me exactly what I do with the checksum - in terms of what or where I can find
    the "official" checksum to compare to what I got. Here is the checksum -

    "c983b75bbda964336c87996dec8838ca *WS03SP1_RTM_1830_PX6_EN.iso" (w/o quotes,
    obviosly)
    =?Utf-8?B?SmF5IFdhZ25lcg==?=, Oct 18, 2007
    #6
  7. The checksum - I've only used Nero ( and K3B on Linux ) they have a feature
    to run the check from inside. I've only done this as a process of the actual
    'burning'. I don't know how you would treat it on a disc after it has been
    burned. You should verify the ISO before burning, as well as the disc you
    have just burned, since it is quite possible to succesfully burn a bad
    download!

    The memory - the 64bit OS is actually said to put more stress on the
    memory - it certainly uses the memory differently, so errors are not
    uncommon between the two. Personally, on a machine your age, I'd carefullly
    re-seat the memory and everything else inside that has a connector. Most
    professionals throw away anything that hints on errors, but I wouldn't do
    that on my own equipment untill failing the obvious salvage operations. You
    could even try and swap the sticks in their respective banks (rotate them,
    one for the other).

    The thing about IDE and SATA can have it's own implications, if the IDE
    drive is the second drive, it will be counted as the first drive if the SATA
    drive is not recognised. But the SATA drive obviously is the system drive
    with the MBR on it, so this could easily confuse the installer.

    I would gently go over the internals of your machine and rename the original
    ISO and download it again, clean your CD/DVD drive and use quality media -
    then burn at sloow speed as Dominic suggested.

    Testing the memory takes a long time - I would only try that if it fails
    again - (rephrase) - take the time to do it sometime anyway even if it does
    install!


    Tony. . .


    "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Thanks you guys for your input. I've downloaded a newer driver for my
    > SATA
    > drive that supports the 64-bit version and extracted the zip file to a
    > blank
    > floppy. Then I rebooted, ran setup, and pressed F6 when prompted. This
    > time
    > I got further than before, so I pressed enter to bypass setting up the
    > SATA
    > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    > SATA.
    > ;-) ), and it continued to load the rest of the drivers. However, it
    > still
    > reboots - I just get a little further than before (If it makes it easier
    > to
    > describe, I don't get to the 'End User Liscence Agreement' screen.)
    >
    > Puzzled, I called the store where I got my system 2 years ago (nice place
    > to
    > buy hardware, btw - http://www.infotechnow.com) , and spoke to a
    > technician
    > on the phone. We verified that the hardware I got supports this OS,
    > however
    > he suggested bringing it in as it's hard to tell what's going w/o taking a
    > look. He told me he doesn't think I have a hardware problem - of course
    > the
    > only surefire way to tell is to send it in, which I don't want to do, as I
    > am
    > constantly using this machine.
    >
    > I've been using this computer for 2 years with no hardware problems.
    > Dominic - I appreciate your suggestion of testing the memory, but if it
    > was a
    > memory problem, wouldn't that manifest itself when I'm using the 32-bit
    > version (like the system rebooting by itself or something)? I *never*
    > had
    > a "BSOD" or a "Windows STOP" error since the time I've used this machine.
    >
    > The only suggestion he had was to contact Microsoft to get a CD from
    > them -
    > that way I know for sure I am getting a good copy, unless you guys can
    > show
    > me exactly what I do with the checksum - in terms of what or where I can
    > find
    > the "official" checksum to compare to what I got. Here is the checksum -
    >
    > "c983b75bbda964336c87996dec8838ca *WS03SP1_RTM_1830_PX6_EN.iso" (w/o
    > quotes,
    > obviosly)
    Tony Sperling, Oct 18, 2007
    #7
  8. =?Utf-8?B?SmF5IFdhZ25lcg==?=

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Jay.

    > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    > SATA.


    Probably one of the most-misunderstood phrases in installing Windows. :>(

    No matter where you install Windows or Vista, 32-bit or 64-bit, the boot-up
    will always start in the System Partition, then follow the instructions in
    WinXP's Boot.ini or Vista's BCD to find the Boot Volume for the operating
    system. (The terms "system volume" and "boot volume" are counterintuitive
    and this causes most of the confusion. Remember that we boot from the
    system partition (not the boot volume) and keep all our operating system
    files in the boot volume (which may or may not be the same as the system
    volume). See KB 314470, Definitions for system volume and boot volume,
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/314470/EN-US/)

    So, even if you install Windows on the IDE drive, if the SATA is designated
    in your BIOS as the boot device, then the SATA drivers must be used to start
    this session. After the POST and a few other opening procedures, the main
    action will switch from your SATA to your IDE drive. But those critical
    first few steps depend on that SATA drive - and its drivers.

    To bypass the SATA drive entirely, you would need to designate your IDE
    drive as the boot device, then run Setup in that configuration. And then
    you would have to tell the BIOS to boot from IDE every time you want to run
    whatever you installed with that setup. This is not the kind of "dual-boot"
    system that MS had in mind, but many users do it this way. And, if you are
    trying to add WinXP x64 to an existing Vista installation, you might prefer
    to do it this way, although I wouldn't.

    I don't think you have a hardware problem, or a memory problem, or a CRC
    problem. You just need to get the proper drivers installed for the HD that
    your boot-up actually starts from. In other words, install the SATA drivers
    so that the computer can find instructions there (in the System Partition)
    to find Windows on your IDE drive (in the WinXP x64 boot volume). Or set
    your BIOS to boot from the IDE drive. Note that you don't need the SATA
    drivers installed at boot time unless you are booting from the SATA drive.
    You don't need them to use the SATA as "just another data drive".

    In case you are wondering, after the 64-bit drivers are properly installed,
    you can easily dual-boot into 32-bit Windows from that drive, too.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail beta 2 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 beta v.275)

    "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Thanks you guys for your input. I've downloaded a newer driver for my
    > SATA
    > drive that supports the 64-bit version and extracted the zip file to a
    > blank
    > floppy. Then I rebooted, ran setup, and pressed F6 when prompted. This
    > time
    > I got further than before, so I pressed enter to bypass setting up the
    > SATA
    > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    > SATA.
    > ;-) ), and it continued to load the rest of the drivers. However, it
    > still
    > reboots - I just get a little further than before (If it makes it easier
    > to
    > describe, I don't get to the 'End User Liscence Agreement' screen.)
    >
    > Puzzled, I called the store where I got my system 2 years ago (nice place
    > to
    > buy hardware, btw - http://www.infotechnow.com) , and spoke to a
    > technician
    > on the phone. We verified that the hardware I got supports this OS,
    > however
    > he suggested bringing it in as it's hard to tell what's going w/o taking a
    > look. He told me he doesn't think I have a hardware problem - of course
    > the
    > only surefire way to tell is to send it in, which I don't want to do, as I
    > am
    > constantly using this machine.
    >
    > I've been using this computer for 2 years with no hardware problems.
    > Dominic - I appreciate your suggestion of testing the memory, but if it
    > was a
    > memory problem, wouldn't that manifest itself when I'm using the 32-bit
    > version (like the system rebooting by itself or something)? I *never*
    > had
    > a "BSOD" or a "Windows STOP" error since the time I've used this machine.
    >
    > The only suggestion he had was to contact Microsoft to get a CD from
    > them -
    > that way I know for sure I am getting a good copy, unless you guys can
    > show
    > me exactly what I do with the checksum - in terms of what or where I can
    > find
    > the "official" checksum to compare to what I got. Here is the checksum -
    >
    > "c983b75bbda964336c87996dec8838ca *WS03SP1_RTM_1830_PX6_EN.iso" (w/o
    > quotes,
    > obviosly)
    R. C. White, Oct 19, 2007
    #8
  9. With RAID disabled, all the nForce 4 drivers needed for the motherboard are
    included on the x64 CD.

    If the burn is good, the most likely problem is memory. x64 stresses the
    memory differently from x86, and the basic system location addresses are
    different. It is possible that a weak or bad memory element was either never
    called on or not stressed enough to fail in x86, or showed Event Log errors
    which did not stop the machine.




    "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi, Jay.
    >
    >> (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    >> SATA.

    >
    > Probably one of the most-misunderstood phrases in installing Windows. :>(
    >
    > No matter where you install Windows or Vista, 32-bit or 64-bit, the
    > boot-up will always start in the System Partition, then follow the
    > instructions in WinXP's Boot.ini or Vista's BCD to find the Boot Volume
    > for the operating system. (The terms "system volume" and "boot volume"
    > are counterintuitive and this causes most of the confusion. Remember that
    > we boot from the system partition (not the boot volume) and keep all our
    > operating system files in the boot volume (which may or may not be the
    > same as the system volume). See KB 314470, Definitions for system volume
    > and boot volume,
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/314470/EN-US/)
    >
    > So, even if you install Windows on the IDE drive, if the SATA is
    > designated in your BIOS as the boot device, then the SATA drivers must be
    > used to start this session. After the POST and a few other opening
    > procedures, the main action will switch from your SATA to your IDE drive.
    > But those critical first few steps depend on that SATA drive - and its
    > drivers.
    >
    > To bypass the SATA drive entirely, you would need to designate your IDE
    > drive as the boot device, then run Setup in that configuration. And then
    > you would have to tell the BIOS to boot from IDE every time you want to
    > run whatever you installed with that setup. This is not the kind of
    > "dual-boot" system that MS had in mind, but many users do it this way.
    > And, if you are trying to add WinXP x64 to an existing Vista installation,
    > you might prefer to do it this way, although I wouldn't.
    >
    > I don't think you have a hardware problem, or a memory problem, or a CRC
    > problem. You just need to get the proper drivers installed for the HD
    > that your boot-up actually starts from. In other words, install the SATA
    > drivers so that the computer can find instructions there (in the System
    > Partition) to find Windows on your IDE drive (in the WinXP x64 boot
    > volume). Or set your BIOS to boot from the IDE drive. Note that you
    > don't need the SATA drivers installed at boot time unless you are booting
    > from the SATA drive. You don't need them to use the SATA as "just another
    > data drive".
    >
    > In case you are wondering, after the 64-bit drivers are properly
    > installed, you can easily dual-boot into 32-bit Windows from that drive,
    > too.
    >
    > RC
    > --
    > R. C. White, CPA
    > San Marcos, TX
    >
    > Microsoft Windows MVP
    > (Running Windows Live Mail beta 2 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 beta v.275)
    >
    > "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Thanks you guys for your input. I've downloaded a newer driver for my
    >> SATA
    >> drive that supports the 64-bit version and extracted the zip file to a
    >> blank
    >> floppy. Then I rebooted, ran setup, and pressed F6 when prompted. This
    >> time
    >> I got further than before, so I pressed enter to bypass setting up the
    >> SATA
    >> (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    >> SATA.
    >> ;-) ), and it continued to load the rest of the drivers. However, it
    >> still
    >> reboots - I just get a little further than before (If it makes it easier
    >> to
    >> describe, I don't get to the 'End User Liscence Agreement' screen.)
    >>
    >> Puzzled, I called the store where I got my system 2 years ago (nice place
    >> to
    >> buy hardware, btw - http://www.infotechnow.com) , and spoke to a
    >> technician
    >> on the phone. We verified that the hardware I got supports this OS,
    >> however
    >> he suggested bringing it in as it's hard to tell what's going w/o taking
    >> a
    >> look. He told me he doesn't think I have a hardware problem - of course
    >> the
    >> only surefire way to tell is to send it in, which I don't want to do, as
    >> I am
    >> constantly using this machine.
    >>
    >> I've been using this computer for 2 years with no hardware problems.
    >> Dominic - I appreciate your suggestion of testing the memory, but if it
    >> was a
    >> memory problem, wouldn't that manifest itself when I'm using the 32-bit
    >> version (like the system rebooting by itself or something)? I *never*
    >> had
    >> a "BSOD" or a "Windows STOP" error since the time I've used this machine.
    >>
    >> The only suggestion he had was to contact Microsoft to get a CD from
    >> them -
    >> that way I know for sure I am getting a good copy, unless you guys can
    >> show
    >> me exactly what I do with the checksum - in terms of what or where I can
    >> find
    >> the "official" checksum to compare to what I got. Here is the checksum -
    >>
    >> "c983b75bbda964336c87996dec8838ca *WS03SP1_RTM_1830_PX6_EN.iso" (w/o
    >> quotes,
    >> obviosly)

    >
    Dominic Payer, Oct 19, 2007
    #9
  10. I appreciate everyone's input here.

    The floppies I have do not have any kind of boot information on them that
    the system will recognize, so exactly how do I install them before the OS?
    From what I understand from what the manufacturer has on their site (Silicon
    Image Sil 3114 SATA Raid) that the driver on the floppy is to be utilized
    during Windows setup. Anyway, if I leave the disk in the drive by itself, I
    get a message from the system to "remove all disks and press any key to
    reboot." nor is there a DOS executable, either.

    But anyway - this time I tried unplugging the cable to my SATA drive, AND
    reconfiguring the hard disk configuration & boot priority. Beforehand - this
    is how I had the drives configured

    Primary IDE Device: My DVD drive (16x R+-/RW+-/DL)
    Primary Slave: None
    Secondary IDE Device: Quantum Fireball IDE drive (6 GB)
    Secondary Slave: None
    3rd IDE Device: Western Digital 120 GB SATA drive (120 GB)

    I was thinking maybe the setup was getting confused here, so I swapped the
    Primary and Secondaary and left the SATA unplugged (from the disk - I left it
    plugged in the board). Also set in the BIOS to have the IDE disk (Quantum)
    as the first boot drive, too. Then I tried running setup again with a newer
    copy of the downlaoded ISO burned at 1X on a different media that I knew was
    good (haven't used and in the original packing since I got it for my birthday
    last July), but nope - I still have the same problem - setup reboots after
    "loading Windows NT File System" (or similar - don't recall the exact
    wording).

    SO.....If I had unplugged the SATA drive, wouldn't setup just ignore this
    and nullify what R.C. White suggested (no offense to his suggestion)? Or
    would it make a difference if I unplugged the cable from the board as well?
    Also, I tested my memory and ran it for 10 cycles for 5 hours, but got no
    errors whatsoever, if that helps.

    My board is at least 2 years old, probably a bit more, but the BIOS I have
    is dated from May 2006. The manufacturer states they made a minor fix
    reguarding their Logo displaying at setup, but if there was any issue with
    64-bit OS compatibility with Windows, they would've addressed that then or in
    an earlier release, right?

    Maybe I should contact Microsoft for an 'official' CD?


    "R. C. White" wrote:

    > Hi, Jay.
    >
    > > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    > > SATA.

    >
    > Probably one of the most-misunderstood phrases in installing Windows. :>(
    >
    > No matter where you install Windows or Vista, 32-bit or 64-bit, the boot-up
    > will always start in the System Partition, then follow the instructions in
    > WinXP's Boot.ini or Vista's BCD to find the Boot Volume for the operating
    > system. (The terms "system volume" and "boot volume" are counterintuitive
    > and this causes most of the confusion. Remember that we boot from the
    > system partition (not the boot volume) and keep all our operating system
    > files in the boot volume (which may or may not be the same as the system
    > volume). See KB 314470, Definitions for system volume and boot volume,
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/314470/EN-US/)
    >
    > So, even if you install Windows on the IDE drive, if the SATA is designated
    > in your BIOS as the boot device, then the SATA drivers must be used to start
    > this session. After the POST and a few other opening procedures, the main
    > action will switch from your SATA to your IDE drive. But those critical
    > first few steps depend on that SATA drive - and its drivers.
    >
    > To bypass the SATA drive entirely, you would need to designate your IDE
    > drive as the boot device, then run Setup in that configuration. And then
    > you would have to tell the BIOS to boot from IDE every time you want to run
    > whatever you installed with that setup. This is not the kind of "dual-boot"
    > system that MS had in mind, but many users do it this way. And, if you are
    > trying to add WinXP x64 to an existing Vista installation, you might prefer
    > to do it this way, although I wouldn't.
    >
    > I don't think you have a hardware problem, or a memory problem, or a CRC
    > problem. You just need to get the proper drivers installed for the HD that
    > your boot-up actually starts from. In other words, install the SATA drivers
    > so that the computer can find instructions there (in the System Partition)
    > to find Windows on your IDE drive (in the WinXP x64 boot volume). Or set
    > your BIOS to boot from the IDE drive. Note that you don't need the SATA
    > drivers installed at boot time unless you are booting from the SATA drive.
    > You don't need them to use the SATA as "just another data drive".
    >
    > In case you are wondering, after the 64-bit drivers are properly installed,
    > you can easily dual-boot into 32-bit Windows from that drive, too.
    >
    > RC
    > --
    > R. C. White, CPA
    > San Marcos, TX
    >
    > Microsoft Windows MVP
    > (Running Windows Live Mail beta 2 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 beta v.275)
    >
    > "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Thanks you guys for your input. I've downloaded a newer driver for my
    > > SATA
    > > drive that supports the 64-bit version and extracted the zip file to a
    > > blank
    > > floppy. Then I rebooted, ran setup, and pressed F6 when prompted. This
    > > time
    > > I got further than before, so I pressed enter to bypass setting up the
    > > SATA
    > > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    > > SATA.
    > > ;-) ), and it continued to load the rest of the drivers. However, it
    > > still
    > > reboots - I just get a little further than before (If it makes it easier
    > > to
    > > describe, I don't get to the 'End User Liscence Agreement' screen.)
    > >
    > > Puzzled, I called the store where I got my system 2 years ago (nice place
    > > to
    > > buy hardware, btw - http://www.infotechnow.com) , and spoke to a
    > > technician
    > > on the phone. We verified that the hardware I got supports this OS,
    > > however
    > > he suggested bringing it in as it's hard to tell what's going w/o taking a
    > > look. He told me he doesn't think I have a hardware problem - of course
    > > the
    > > only surefire way to tell is to send it in, which I don't want to do, as I
    > > am
    > > constantly using this machine.
    > >
    > > I've been using this computer for 2 years with no hardware problems.
    > > Dominic - I appreciate your suggestion of testing the memory, but if it
    > > was a
    > > memory problem, wouldn't that manifest itself when I'm using the 32-bit
    > > version (like the system rebooting by itself or something)? I *never*
    > > had
    > > a "BSOD" or a "Windows STOP" error since the time I've used this machine.
    > >
    > > The only suggestion he had was to contact Microsoft to get a CD from
    > > them -
    > > that way I know for sure I am getting a good copy, unless you guys can
    > > show
    > > me exactly what I do with the checksum - in terms of what or where I can
    > > find
    > > the "official" checksum to compare to what I got. Here is the checksum -
    > >
    > > "c983b75bbda964336c87996dec8838ca *WS03SP1_RTM_1830_PX6_EN.iso" (w/o
    > > quotes,
    > > obviosly)

    >
    =?Utf-8?B?SmF5IFdhZ25lcg==?=, Oct 19, 2007
    #10
  11. It's great to see a bit of well founded disagreement. None of what I've seen
    here can be said to be wrong or off the mark. It's all usefull information.
    These other guys are far more professional than me, anyway. Solving a
    problem, however, to me is a bit like playing golf - if with each stroke you
    manage to substantially shorten the distance to the flag, you're doing
    alright. Not being in the middle of the runway, or not as far ahead as you'd
    wished isn't automatically a miss.

    Here, with a lot of 'unknowns' (we have a problem, it could be hardware or
    software. Driver or a simple connection) I believe, the next time you have
    this error it will be usefull to have eliminated most of all these
    alternatives. I agree completely with R.C. - I also don't think it's a
    memory problem or checksum, but the next time you error out you'll be glad
    if you've eliminated the possibility, and I believe NOW is a better time to
    do it.

    With this last step, I think you have made a step forward - but your
    configuration of the IDE channels seem to be somewhat uncommon. I don't
    think it really matters, but:

    I would certainly put the System drive (HD) on the Primary IDE
    CD/DVD's on the Secondary IDE

    where the SATA ends up will be a question of how the system is built - the
    engineers probably had some sort of vision in their mind when they laid it
    out and there could be nameless considerations to finally determine this -
    at other times details in the physical lay-out will decide for you. Beyond
    this, I believe the optical reader sits best in the Master slot and the
    burner configured as Slave. Your system may have it otherwise.

    But then, Dominic seems to be familiar with the actual board and chipset -
    yes, I would certainly begin by disconnecting the machine and putting it on
    a well lit table and give all the wires and components a gentle 'wiggle' and
    if the problem persist dowmload a good memory tester and run it for a day or
    two.


    Tony. . .



    "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    >I appreciate everyone's input here.
    >
    > The floppies I have do not have any kind of boot information on them that
    > the system will recognize, so exactly how do I install them before the OS?
    > From what I understand from what the manufacturer has on their site
    > (Silicon
    > Image Sil 3114 SATA Raid) that the driver on the floppy is to be utilized
    > during Windows setup. Anyway, if I leave the disk in the drive by itself,
    > I
    > get a message from the system to "remove all disks and press any key to
    > reboot." nor is there a DOS executable, either.
    >
    > But anyway - this time I tried unplugging the cable to my SATA drive, AND
    > reconfiguring the hard disk configuration & boot priority. Beforehand -
    > this
    > is how I had the drives configured
    >
    > Primary IDE Device: My DVD drive (16x R+-/RW+-/DL)
    > Primary Slave: None
    > Secondary IDE Device: Quantum Fireball IDE drive (6 GB)
    > Secondary Slave: None
    > 3rd IDE Device: Western Digital 120 GB SATA drive (120 GB)
    >
    > I was thinking maybe the setup was getting confused here, so I swapped the
    > Primary and Secondaary and left the SATA unplugged (from the disk - I left
    > it
    > plugged in the board). Also set in the BIOS to have the IDE disk
    > (Quantum)
    > as the first boot drive, too. Then I tried running setup again with a
    > newer
    > copy of the downlaoded ISO burned at 1X on a different media that I knew
    > was
    > good (haven't used and in the original packing since I got it for my
    > birthday
    > last July), but nope - I still have the same problem - setup reboots after
    > "loading Windows NT File System" (or similar - don't recall the exact
    > wording).
    >
    > SO.....If I had unplugged the SATA drive, wouldn't setup just ignore this
    > and nullify what R.C. White suggested (no offense to his suggestion)? Or
    > would it make a difference if I unplugged the cable from the board as
    > well?
    > Also, I tested my memory and ran it for 10 cycles for 5 hours, but got no
    > errors whatsoever, if that helps.
    >
    > My board is at least 2 years old, probably a bit more, but the BIOS I have
    > is dated from May 2006. The manufacturer states they made a minor fix
    > reguarding their Logo displaying at setup, but if there was any issue with
    > 64-bit OS compatibility with Windows, they would've addressed that then or
    > in
    > an earlier release, right?
    >
    > Maybe I should contact Microsoft for an 'official' CD?
    >
    >
    > "R. C. White" wrote:
    >
    >> Hi, Jay.
    >>
    >> > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    >> > SATA.

    >>
    >> Probably one of the most-misunderstood phrases in installing Windows.
    >> :>(
    >>
    >> No matter where you install Windows or Vista, 32-bit or 64-bit, the
    >> boot-up
    >> will always start in the System Partition, then follow the instructions
    >> in
    >> WinXP's Boot.ini or Vista's BCD to find the Boot Volume for the operating
    >> system. (The terms "system volume" and "boot volume" are
    >> counterintuitive
    >> and this causes most of the confusion. Remember that we boot from the
    >> system partition (not the boot volume) and keep all our operating system
    >> files in the boot volume (which may or may not be the same as the system
    >> volume). See KB 314470, Definitions for system volume and boot volume,
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/314470/EN-US/)
    >>
    >> So, even if you install Windows on the IDE drive, if the SATA is
    >> designated
    >> in your BIOS as the boot device, then the SATA drivers must be used to
    >> start
    >> this session. After the POST and a few other opening procedures, the
    >> main
    >> action will switch from your SATA to your IDE drive. But those critical
    >> first few steps depend on that SATA drive - and its drivers.
    >>
    >> To bypass the SATA drive entirely, you would need to designate your IDE
    >> drive as the boot device, then run Setup in that configuration. And then
    >> you would have to tell the BIOS to boot from IDE every time you want to
    >> run
    >> whatever you installed with that setup. This is not the kind of
    >> "dual-boot"
    >> system that MS had in mind, but many users do it this way. And, if you
    >> are
    >> trying to add WinXP x64 to an existing Vista installation, you might
    >> prefer
    >> to do it this way, although I wouldn't.
    >>
    >> I don't think you have a hardware problem, or a memory problem, or a CRC
    >> problem. You just need to get the proper drivers installed for the HD
    >> that
    >> your boot-up actually starts from. In other words, install the SATA
    >> drivers
    >> so that the computer can find instructions there (in the System
    >> Partition)
    >> to find Windows on your IDE drive (in the WinXP x64 boot volume). Or set
    >> your BIOS to boot from the IDE drive. Note that you don't need the SATA
    >> drivers installed at boot time unless you are booting from the SATA
    >> drive.
    >> You don't need them to use the SATA as "just another data drive".
    >>
    >> In case you are wondering, after the 64-bit drivers are properly
    >> installed,
    >> you can easily dual-boot into 32-bit Windows from that drive, too.
    >>
    >> RC
    >> --
    >> R. C. White, CPA
    >> San Marcos, TX
    >>
    >> Microsoft Windows MVP
    >> (Running Windows Live Mail beta 2 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 beta v.275)
    >>
    >> "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > Thanks you guys for your input. I've downloaded a newer driver for my
    >> > SATA
    >> > drive that supports the 64-bit version and extracted the zip file to a
    >> > blank
    >> > floppy. Then I rebooted, ran setup, and pressed F6 when prompted.
    >> > This
    >> > time
    >> > I got further than before, so I pressed enter to bypass setting up the
    >> > SATA
    >> > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    >> > SATA.
    >> > ;-) ), and it continued to load the rest of the drivers. However, it
    >> > still
    >> > reboots - I just get a little further than before (If it makes it
    >> > easier
    >> > to
    >> > describe, I don't get to the 'End User Liscence Agreement' screen.)
    >> >
    >> > Puzzled, I called the store where I got my system 2 years ago (nice
    >> > place
    >> > to
    >> > buy hardware, btw - http://www.infotechnow.com) , and spoke to a
    >> > technician
    >> > on the phone. We verified that the hardware I got supports this OS,
    >> > however
    >> > he suggested bringing it in as it's hard to tell what's going w/o
    >> > taking a
    >> > look. He told me he doesn't think I have a hardware problem - of
    >> > course
    >> > the
    >> > only surefire way to tell is to send it in, which I don't want to do,
    >> > as I
    >> > am
    >> > constantly using this machine.
    >> >
    >> > I've been using this computer for 2 years with no hardware problems.
    >> > Dominic - I appreciate your suggestion of testing the memory, but if it
    >> > was a
    >> > memory problem, wouldn't that manifest itself when I'm using the 32-bit
    >> > version (like the system rebooting by itself or something)? I
    >> > *never*
    >> > had
    >> > a "BSOD" or a "Windows STOP" error since the time I've used this
    >> > machine.
    >> >
    >> > The only suggestion he had was to contact Microsoft to get a CD from
    >> > them -
    >> > that way I know for sure I am getting a good copy, unless you guys can
    >> > show
    >> > me exactly what I do with the checksum - in terms of what or where I
    >> > can
    >> > find
    >> > the "official" checksum to compare to what I got. Here is the
    >> > checksum -
    >> >
    >> > "c983b75bbda964336c87996dec8838ca *WS03SP1_RTM_1830_PX6_EN.iso" (w/o
    >> > quotes,
    >> > obviosly)

    >>
    Tony Sperling, Oct 19, 2007
    #11
  12. I think your original checksum was correct, so the burn is good.

    Since the memory tests OK - the lowest part of the memory is not tested as
    it holds the test program, so it might be worth swapping the memory chips
    and retesting - I think the Quantum Fireball is probably bad. It is quite
    old now and disk surfaces deteriorate with time.

    Quantum were taken over by Maxtor who have now been taken over by Seagate.
    You may be able to test the drive with SeaTools
    http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools/

    The SiS SATA drivers are not needed as you have disabled RAID in the BIOS.



    "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    >I appreciate everyone's input here.
    >
    > The floppies I have do not have any kind of boot information on them that
    > the system will recognize, so exactly how do I install them before the OS?
    > From what I understand from what the manufacturer has on their site
    > (Silicon
    > Image Sil 3114 SATA Raid) that the driver on the floppy is to be utilized
    > during Windows setup. Anyway, if I leave the disk in the drive by itself,
    > I
    > get a message from the system to "remove all disks and press any key to
    > reboot." nor is there a DOS executable, either.
    >
    > But anyway - this time I tried unplugging the cable to my SATA drive, AND
    > reconfiguring the hard disk configuration & boot priority. Beforehand -
    > this
    > is how I had the drives configured
    >
    > Primary IDE Device: My DVD drive (16x R+-/RW+-/DL)
    > Primary Slave: None
    > Secondary IDE Device: Quantum Fireball IDE drive (6 GB)
    > Secondary Slave: None
    > 3rd IDE Device: Western Digital 120 GB SATA drive (120 GB)
    >
    > I was thinking maybe the setup was getting confused here, so I swapped the
    > Primary and Secondaary and left the SATA unplugged (from the disk - I left
    > it
    > plugged in the board). Also set in the BIOS to have the IDE disk
    > (Quantum)
    > as the first boot drive, too. Then I tried running setup again with a
    > newer
    > copy of the downlaoded ISO burned at 1X on a different media that I knew
    > was
    > good (haven't used and in the original packing since I got it for my
    > birthday
    > last July), but nope - I still have the same problem - setup reboots after
    > "loading Windows NT File System" (or similar - don't recall the exact
    > wording).
    >
    > SO.....If I had unplugged the SATA drive, wouldn't setup just ignore this
    > and nullify what R.C. White suggested (no offense to his suggestion)? Or
    > would it make a difference if I unplugged the cable from the board as
    > well?
    > Also, I tested my memory and ran it for 10 cycles for 5 hours, but got no
    > errors whatsoever, if that helps.
    >
    > My board is at least 2 years old, probably a bit more, but the BIOS I have
    > is dated from May 2006. The manufacturer states they made a minor fix
    > reguarding their Logo displaying at setup, but if there was any issue with
    > 64-bit OS compatibility with Windows, they would've addressed that then or
    > in
    > an earlier release, right?
    >
    > Maybe I should contact Microsoft for an 'official' CD?
    >
    >
    > "R. C. White" wrote:
    >
    >> Hi, Jay.
    >>
    >> > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    >> > SATA.

    >>
    >> Probably one of the most-misunderstood phrases in installing Windows.
    >> :>(
    >>
    >> No matter where you install Windows or Vista, 32-bit or 64-bit, the
    >> boot-up
    >> will always start in the System Partition, then follow the instructions
    >> in
    >> WinXP's Boot.ini or Vista's BCD to find the Boot Volume for the operating
    >> system. (The terms "system volume" and "boot volume" are
    >> counterintuitive
    >> and this causes most of the confusion. Remember that we boot from the
    >> system partition (not the boot volume) and keep all our operating system
    >> files in the boot volume (which may or may not be the same as the system
    >> volume). See KB 314470, Definitions for system volume and boot volume,
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/314470/EN-US/)
    >>
    >> So, even if you install Windows on the IDE drive, if the SATA is
    >> designated
    >> in your BIOS as the boot device, then the SATA drivers must be used to
    >> start
    >> this session. After the POST and a few other opening procedures, the
    >> main
    >> action will switch from your SATA to your IDE drive. But those critical
    >> first few steps depend on that SATA drive - and its drivers.
    >>
    >> To bypass the SATA drive entirely, you would need to designate your IDE
    >> drive as the boot device, then run Setup in that configuration. And then
    >> you would have to tell the BIOS to boot from IDE every time you want to
    >> run
    >> whatever you installed with that setup. This is not the kind of
    >> "dual-boot"
    >> system that MS had in mind, but many users do it this way. And, if you
    >> are
    >> trying to add WinXP x64 to an existing Vista installation, you might
    >> prefer
    >> to do it this way, although I wouldn't.
    >>
    >> I don't think you have a hardware problem, or a memory problem, or a CRC
    >> problem. You just need to get the proper drivers installed for the HD
    >> that
    >> your boot-up actually starts from. In other words, install the SATA
    >> drivers
    >> so that the computer can find instructions there (in the System
    >> Partition)
    >> to find Windows on your IDE drive (in the WinXP x64 boot volume). Or set
    >> your BIOS to boot from the IDE drive. Note that you don't need the SATA
    >> drivers installed at boot time unless you are booting from the SATA
    >> drive.
    >> You don't need them to use the SATA as "just another data drive".
    >>
    >> In case you are wondering, after the 64-bit drivers are properly
    >> installed,
    >> you can easily dual-boot into 32-bit Windows from that drive, too.
    >>
    >> RC
    >> --
    >> R. C. White, CPA
    >> San Marcos, TX
    >>
    >> Microsoft Windows MVP
    >> (Running Windows Live Mail beta 2 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 beta v.275)
    >>
    >> "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > Thanks you guys for your input. I've downloaded a newer driver for my
    >> > SATA
    >> > drive that supports the 64-bit version and extracted the zip file to a
    >> > blank
    >> > floppy. Then I rebooted, ran setup, and pressed F6 when prompted.
    >> > This
    >> > time
    >> > I got further than before, so I pressed enter to bypass setting up the
    >> > SATA
    >> > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    >> > SATA.
    >> > ;-) ), and it continued to load the rest of the drivers. However, it
    >> > still
    >> > reboots - I just get a little further than before (If it makes it
    >> > easier
    >> > to
    >> > describe, I don't get to the 'End User Liscence Agreement' screen.)
    >> >
    >> > Puzzled, I called the store where I got my system 2 years ago (nice
    >> > place
    >> > to
    >> > buy hardware, btw - http://www.infotechnow.com) , and spoke to a
    >> > technician
    >> > on the phone. We verified that the hardware I got supports this OS,
    >> > however
    >> > he suggested bringing it in as it's hard to tell what's going w/o
    >> > taking a
    >> > look. He told me he doesn't think I have a hardware problem - of
    >> > course
    >> > the
    >> > only surefire way to tell is to send it in, which I don't want to do,
    >> > as I
    >> > am
    >> > constantly using this machine.
    >> >
    >> > I've been using this computer for 2 years with no hardware problems.
    >> > Dominic - I appreciate your suggestion of testing the memory, but if it
    >> > was a
    >> > memory problem, wouldn't that manifest itself when I'm using the 32-bit
    >> > version (like the system rebooting by itself or something)? I
    >> > *never*
    >> > had
    >> > a "BSOD" or a "Windows STOP" error since the time I've used this
    >> > machine.
    >> >
    >> > The only suggestion he had was to contact Microsoft to get a CD from
    >> > them -
    >> > that way I know for sure I am getting a good copy, unless you guys can
    >> > show
    >> > me exactly what I do with the checksum - in terms of what or where I
    >> > can
    >> > find
    >> > the "official" checksum to compare to what I got. Here is the
    >> > checksum -
    >> >
    >> > "c983b75bbda964336c87996dec8838ca *WS03SP1_RTM_1830_PX6_EN.iso" (w/o
    >> > quotes,
    >> > obviosly)

    >>
    Dominic Payer, Oct 19, 2007
    #12
  13. =?Utf-8?B?SmF5IFdhZ25lcg==?=

    John Barnes Guest

    With the SATA disconnected as you have said, do you see your Quantum drive
    in POST?
    Could you be a little more specific as to what is going on in your second
    paragraph.
    The system should go thru POST, followed by the message about hitting any
    key to boot from the CD.
    After hitting the key, Windows will commence loading files (drivers and the
    recovery console among others) followed by the option to go into recovery
    console or to install. There are no scheduled reboots during this time.
    Also, early in the load, on the bottom of the screen there is a message to
    hit F6 to add drivers. Do you see this message (I realise you don't need
    drivers)
    Are you using PS2 keyboard and mouse, or USB.

    "Jay Wagner" <Jay > wrote in message
    news:D...
    > Hi - this is my first post here. I am having trouble running XP Pro
    > 64-bit
    > trial setup. I had downloaded the ISO from Microsoft, and burned it onto
    > a
    > CD-ROM. Ran the setup from boot, and the setup program goes through its
    > process loading the drivers and whatnot that is needed for setup.
    >
    > However, after it's done loading everything needed, the setup program
    > reboots my machine - I didn't get a chance to choose where I wanted to
    > setup
    > the OS, or whatever. From what I can tell, the program reboots after the
    > message "loading Windows NT file system" or something like that - can't be
    > absolutely sure, as it only appears very briefly. I don't see any kind of
    > error message, either.
    >
    > I've tried re-downloading the ISO, thinkning I had a corrupt download, but
    > the 2nd one I got is the exact same size as the original, so I don't think
    > this is the problem. I don't think I have a corrupt burn either -
    > otherwise
    > setup wouldn't run in the first place, right? Nevertheless, the program I
    > used for that didn't give me any error, either. The hardware has been
    > working fine since Day 1 I got this machine 2 years ago.
    >
    > I have checked with the manufacturer of my motherboard for a BIOS update I
    > seem to already have the latest - last updated back in May, 2006, so I
    > don't
    > think it's an issue with that. I have heard some having trouble with Raid
    > support, but I have this disabled in my BIOS as I don't have a need for
    > it.
    >
    > Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure I covered the common
    > problems first. I would really appreciate any input.
    >
    > Here are my specs:
    >
    > Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum
    > CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (this *should* support the OS)
    > Memory: 1 GB DDR 400
    > Hard Disk: I have 2 - 1 SATA 120 MB drive (Western Digital, has 32-bit XP
    > Pro), & 1 IDE 6 GB drive (Quantum Fireball - this is the drive I intend to
    > install the 64-bit trial - it's empty)
    >
    John Barnes, Oct 20, 2007
    #13
  14. First of all, if there was a problem with the keyboard, nothing would've
    happened when I pressed F6 - which does work, as it prompts me if I want to
    set up a SATA drive or just press enter to bypass. POST does recognize the
    Quantum drive too.

    I don't know what the problem is with the setup not getting to the 'End User
    Licence Agreement" - hardware problem or problem with the CD. I've tried
    isolating the SATA drive by disabling it, checking the memory, re-burning the
    ISO, etc. - nothing worked. A friend of mine suggested taking out whatever
    add-in cards I had in there - I only had a video card, but the video card is
    neccesary because my board doesn't have on-board video - otherwise, where am
    I going to hook up the monitor?

    At any rate, this problem has gone far enough. I've giving up and installed
    Vista 32-bit, and everything seems fine now. Thanks to everyone here for
    their help.


    "John Barnes" wrote:

    > With the SATA disconnected as you have said, do you see your Quantum drive
    > in POST?
    > Could you be a little more specific as to what is going on in your second
    > paragraph.
    > The system should go thru POST, followed by the message about hitting any
    > key to boot from the CD.
    > After hitting the key, Windows will commence loading files (drivers and the
    > recovery console among others) followed by the option to go into recovery
    > console or to install. There are no scheduled reboots during this time.
    > Also, early in the load, on the bottom of the screen there is a message to
    > hit F6 to add drivers. Do you see this message (I realise you don't need
    > drivers)
    > Are you using PS2 keyboard and mouse, or USB.
    =?Utf-8?B?SmF5IFdhZ25lcg==?=, Oct 22, 2007
    #14
  15. =?Utf-8?B?SmF5IFdhZ25lcg==?=

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Jay.

    I was hoping someone would jump in, but...

    > The floppies I have do not have any kind of boot information on them that
    > the system will recognize, so exactly how do I install them before the OS?


    Correct. This floppy (not plural - just one - but it may have multiple
    drivers on it for multiple models of hard drives) is NOT used to boot the
    computer. You put in the WinXP CD, with your BIOS set to boot from CD, and
    let Setup begin. Very early in the Setup process, while it is detecting
    your computer's configuration, you should see a message to "Press F6 if you
    need to install drivers for a mass storage device" (or similar language; it
    has been a while since I had to do this). Press F6 quickly; the message
    will disappear in a few seconds and you'll have to reboot to get another
    chance. Setup will continue for a long time as though nothing happened,
    loading all those hundreds of files. Finally, it will halt with a message
    telling you how to use the floppy to install the drivers. Then it will
    continue, and will soon reboot. This time, it will boot from the hard
    drive, not from the CD.

    Here is where a foul-up can occur if you have more than one hard drive.
    Setup wants to write the startup files to create the System Partition on the
    HD identified in the BIOS as the current boot device. If you have a newer
    BIOS, you can designate Disk 2 (for example) as the boot device, but then
    use the Esc key (that's the one MY BIOS uses; yours may be different) to
    boot from CD just this once, to run Setup. Then, after Setup finishes this
    first phase, including writing the startup files AND the special drivers to
    the boot device (Disk 2), it will then reboot from that same boot device
    (Disk 2) and everything is fine. But if you are not able to manage your
    boot device in the BIOS, Setup might write the files to Disk 2 and then try
    to reboot from Disk 0! If you have an older BIOS, you'll have to use some
    other method - perhaps physically pulling cables - to be sure that Setup
    writes the files to the disk you've chosen and then reboots from that same
    disk.

    > (Silicon Image Sil 3114 SATA Raid)


    That's the same one I was using with WinXP and Vista on my earlier system
    (EPoX 8KDA3+/AMD Athlon x64 3200+) and it worked well, once I got those
    drivers incorporated by using F6 during Setup.

    > 3rd IDE Device: Western Digital 120 GB SATA drive (120 GB)


    Your SATA drive is an IDE device? Maybe. Depends on how your BIOS
    identifies everything. MY BIOS does not show the SATA drives under IDE on
    the initial screen, since they are plugged into my SATA connectors, not the
    IDE connectors. That screen shows my 2 DVD drives under IDE, then the 2
    standalone SATA drives. (The 3rd and 4th SATA drives are covered by the
    next screen, from the RAID controller.) There's a lot of variety here in
    how motherboards, chipsets and BIOSes show these details, and I have only
    this one to look at, so I'm not sure what your configuration would show.

    Another point that confuses me is that various parts of my computer identify
    the drives differently. My BIOS says my first boot device is the 200 GB
    Maxtor on SATA "Ch.4"; the second is the 120 GB Maxtor on SATA "Ch.2"; the
    third is the Raid Array (I've forgotten the exact phrase and I don't want to
    go through the cycle of saving this draft, rebooting into BIOS setup, then
    rebooting into Vista again just to look). But Disk Management says that the
    120 is Disk 0, the 200 is Disk 1 and the 300 GB is Disk 2. The System
    Partition is the first partition on Disk 1 and the current (Vista) boot
    volume is the second volume (the first logical drive in the extended
    partition) on Disk 1 - just as I planned. The first partitions on Disk 0
    and Disk 2 are also Active primary partitions and I've installed Vista at
    least once with each of those temporarily as the boot device, so I can boot
    from either of them by changing the BIOS setting - or by using Esc during
    POST.

    Some of all this I understand, Jay. Much of it I just half-understand and
    manage to get it working by trial and error. ;^}

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail beta 2 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 beta v.275)

    "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    > I appreciate everyone's input here.
    >
    > The floppies I have do not have any kind of boot information on them that
    > the system will recognize, so exactly how do I install them before the OS?
    > From what I understand from what the manufacturer has on their site
    > (Silicon
    > Image Sil 3114 SATA Raid) that the driver on the floppy is to be utilized
    > during Windows setup. Anyway, if I leave the disk in the drive by itself,
    > I
    > get a message from the system to "remove all disks and press any key to
    > reboot." nor is there a DOS executable, either.
    >
    > But anyway - this time I tried unplugging the cable to my SATA drive, AND
    > reconfiguring the hard disk configuration & boot priority. Beforehand -
    > this
    > is how I had the drives configured
    >
    > Primary IDE Device: My DVD drive (16x R+-/RW+-/DL)
    > Primary Slave: None
    > Secondary IDE Device: Quantum Fireball IDE drive (6 GB)
    > Secondary Slave: None
    > 3rd IDE Device: Western Digital 120 GB SATA drive (120 GB)
    >
    > I was thinking maybe the setup was getting confused here, so I swapped the
    > Primary and Secondaary and left the SATA unplugged (from the disk - I left
    > it
    > plugged in the board). Also set in the BIOS to have the IDE disk
    > (Quantum)
    > as the first boot drive, too. Then I tried running setup again with a
    > newer
    > copy of the downlaoded ISO burned at 1X on a different media that I knew
    > was
    > good (haven't used and in the original packing since I got it for my
    > birthday
    > last July), but nope - I still have the same problem - setup reboots after
    > "loading Windows NT File System" (or similar - don't recall the exact
    > wording).
    >
    > SO.....If I had unplugged the SATA drive, wouldn't setup just ignore this
    > and nullify what R.C. White suggested (no offense to his suggestion)? Or
    > would it make a difference if I unplugged the cable from the board as
    > well?
    > Also, I tested my memory and ran it for 10 cycles for 5 hours, but got no
    > errors whatsoever, if that helps.
    >
    > My board is at least 2 years old, probably a bit more, but the BIOS I have
    > is dated from May 2006. The manufacturer states they made a minor fix
    > reguarding their Logo displaying at setup, but if there was any issue with
    > 64-bit OS compatibility with Windows, they would've addressed that then or
    > in
    > an earlier release, right?
    >
    > Maybe I should contact Microsoft for an 'official' CD?
    >
    >
    > "R. C. White" wrote:
    >
    >> Hi, Jay.
    >>
    >> > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    >> > SATA.

    >>
    >> Probably one of the most-misunderstood phrases in installing Windows.
    >> :>(
    >>
    >> No matter where you install Windows or Vista, 32-bit or 64-bit, the
    >> boot-up
    >> will always start in the System Partition, then follow the instructions
    >> in
    >> WinXP's Boot.ini or Vista's BCD to find the Boot Volume for the operating
    >> system. (The terms "system volume" and "boot volume" are
    >> counterintuitive
    >> and this causes most of the confusion. Remember that we boot from the
    >> system partition (not the boot volume) and keep all our operating system
    >> files in the boot volume (which may or may not be the same as the system
    >> volume). See KB 314470, Definitions for system volume and boot volume,
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/314470/EN-US/)
    >>
    >> So, even if you install Windows on the IDE drive, if the SATA is
    >> designated
    >> in your BIOS as the boot device, then the SATA drivers must be used to
    >> start
    >> this session. After the POST and a few other opening procedures, the
    >> main
    >> action will switch from your SATA to your IDE drive. But those critical
    >> first few steps depend on that SATA drive - and its drivers.
    >>
    >> To bypass the SATA drive entirely, you would need to designate your IDE
    >> drive as the boot device, then run Setup in that configuration. And then
    >> you would have to tell the BIOS to boot from IDE every time you want to
    >> run
    >> whatever you installed with that setup. This is not the kind of
    >> "dual-boot"
    >> system that MS had in mind, but many users do it this way. And, if you
    >> are
    >> trying to add WinXP x64 to an existing Vista installation, you might
    >> prefer
    >> to do it this way, although I wouldn't.
    >>
    >> I don't think you have a hardware problem, or a memory problem, or a CRC
    >> problem. You just need to get the proper drivers installed for the HD
    >> that
    >> your boot-up actually starts from. In other words, install the SATA
    >> drivers
    >> so that the computer can find instructions there (in the System
    >> Partition)
    >> to find Windows on your IDE drive (in the WinXP x64 boot volume). Or set
    >> your BIOS to boot from the IDE drive. Note that you don't need the SATA
    >> drivers installed at boot time unless you are booting from the SATA
    >> drive.
    >> You don't need them to use the SATA as "just another data drive".
    >>
    >> In case you are wondering, after the 64-bit drivers are properly
    >> installed,
    >> you can easily dual-boot into 32-bit Windows from that drive, too.
    >>
    >> RC
    >>
    >> "Jay Wagner" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > Thanks you guys for your input. I've downloaded a newer driver for my
    >> > SATA
    >> > drive that supports the 64-bit version and extracted the zip file to a
    >> > blank
    >> > floppy. Then I rebooted, ran setup, and pressed F6 when prompted.
    >> > This
    >> > time
    >> > I got further than before, so I pressed enter to bypass setting up the
    >> > SATA
    >> > (remember, I want to install this on the 2nd drive, which is IDE, not
    >> > SATA.
    >> > ;-) ), and it continued to load the rest of the drivers. However, it
    >> > still
    >> > reboots - I just get a little further than before (If it makes it
    >> > easier
    >> > to
    >> > describe, I don't get to the 'End User Liscence Agreement' screen.)
    >> >
    >> > Puzzled, I called the store where I got my system 2 years ago (nice
    >> > place
    >> > to
    >> > buy hardware, btw - http://www.infotechnow.com) , and spoke to a
    >> > technician
    >> > on the phone. We verified that the hardware I got supports this OS,
    >> > however
    >> > he suggested bringing it in as it's hard to tell what's going w/o
    >> > taking a
    >> > look. He told me he doesn't think I have a hardware problem - of
    >> > course
    >> > the
    >> > only surefire way to tell is to send it in, which I don't want to do,
    >> > as I
    >> > am
    >> > constantly using this machine.
    >> >
    >> > I've been using this computer for 2 years with no hardware problems.
    >> > Dominic - I appreciate your suggestion of testing the memory, but if it
    >> > was a
    >> > memory problem, wouldn't that manifest itself when I'm using the 32-bit
    >> > version (like the system rebooting by itself or something)? I
    >> > *never*
    >> > had
    >> > a "BSOD" or a "Windows STOP" error since the time I've used this
    >> > machine.
    >> >
    >> > The only suggestion he had was to contact Microsoft to get a CD from
    >> > them -
    >> > that way I know for sure I am getting a good copy, unless you guys can
    >> > show
    >> > me exactly what I do with the checksum - in terms of what or where I
    >> > can
    >> > find
    >> > the "official" checksum to compare to what I got. Here is the
    >> > checksum -
    >> >
    >> > "c983b75bbda964336c87996dec8838ca *WS03SP1_RTM_1830_PX6_EN.iso" (w/o
    >> > quotes,
    >> > obviosly)
    R. C. White, Oct 23, 2007
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