Trancenders Exams

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  1. pab

    pab Guest

    What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?

    Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?

    Regards
    pab
    pab, Oct 1, 2004
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    Neil Guest

    yada, yada, yada pab <> said...yada, yada, yada in
    news::

    > What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?
    >
    > Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?
    >
    > Regards
    > pab


    yes they are

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    Neil, Oct 1, 2004
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    pab Guest

    Neil wrote:
    > yada, yada, yada pab <> said...yada, yada, yada in
    > news::
    >
    >
    >>What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?
    >>
    >>Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?
    >>
    >>Regards
    >>pab

    >
    >
    > yes they are
    >

    They are what ... ???
    pab, Oct 1, 2004
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  4. pab

    JaR Guest

    In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, pab climbed on a soapbox & opined:

    > Neil wrote:
    >> yada, yada, yada pab <> said...yada, yada, yada in
    >> news::
    >>
    >>
    >>>What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?
    >>>
    >>>Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?
    >>>
    >>>Regards
    >>>pab

    >>
    >>
    >> yes they are
    >>

    > They are what ... ???
    >


    Exactly!

    HTH.

    JaR
    JaR, Oct 1, 2004
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  5. pab

    Neil Guest

    yada, yada, yada JaR <> said...yada, yada, yada
    in news:Xns957558CFD5FDBplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16:

    > In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, pab climbed on a soapbox & opined:
    >
    >> Neil wrote:
    >>> yada, yada, yada pab <> said...yada, yada, yada

    in
    >>> news::
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?
    >>>>
    >>>>Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?
    >>>>
    >>>>Regards
    >>>>pab
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> yes they are
    >>>

    >> They are what ... ???
    >>

    >
    > Exactly!
    >
    > HTH.
    >
    > JaR
    >


    how right you are

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    Neil, Oct 1, 2004
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  6. pab

    Neil Guest

    yada, yada, yada pab <> said...yada, yada, yada in
    news::

    >
    > They are what ... ???
    >


    they sure are...

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    Neil, Oct 1, 2004
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  7. Hmmm.. Interesting question.. Even more interesting responses...

    I haven't looked into Trancenders, so I'm not entirely sure.. Although, I'm
    guessing that the other posters equate them to cheating. My guess is,
    they're a little TOO close to actual test questions.

    In the end, I guess it doesn't matter if the tests are easier, harder, or
    about the same as the Microsoft ones.. What matters is, do you actually know
    the material? Anyone can score perfectly if they've taken the practice
    tests and the questions are almost exactly like the real test. But, does
    that make that person qualified?

    I would equate it to someone walking in with the answers in hand.. Do they
    know the material? No.

    A better and more honest question to ask everyone here (And, I'm asking,
    since at some point, I'm going after my MCP's) What would you recommend as
    study aids for the test? And for Practice Tests?

    I've ran copies of Exam Sim 5.5 and it's pretty good for the A+, but I don't
    know what simulators are good for the MCP's.

    Patrick.

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    "pab" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?
    >
    > Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?
    >
    > Regards
    > pab
    Patrick Dickey--MSN Beta Tester, Oct 1, 2004
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  8. pab

    JaR Guest

    In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcsa, Patrick Dickey--MSN Beta Tester
    climbed on a soapbox & opined:

    > Hmmm.. Interesting question.. Even more interesting responses...
    >
    > I<SNIPPAGE> some point, I'm going after my MCP's) What would you
    > recommend as study aids for the test? And for Practice Tests?
    >
    > I've ran copies of Exam Sim 5.5 and it's pretty good for the A+, but I
    > don't know what simulators are good for the MCP's.
    >
    >


    To be honest, I can't in honesty recommend *any* of the practice tests. If
    you truly know your stuff, you don't need them. If you just want to get a
    feel for the format of the MS tests, there are sample Qs available for free
    on the net, and they are a colossal waste of money. Too many use practice
    tests as a "sudy aid". That is not the way to enlightenment, grasshopper.

    I used Measure ups to prepare for the first couple of exams I took, but
    only used the free resources on the web for the last two, and saved a bunch
    of money.

    JaR
    JaR, Oct 1, 2004
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  9. pab

    beoweolf Guest

    To say that test simulations (Take note that I said "Test Simulations", not
    Brain Dumps)...to say that you don't need them, if you know your stuff, is a
    just a bit foolish.

    The end game in such a view would be saying that books and manuals, classes
    and study groups are a waste of time or cheating. They are legitimate tools,
    used properly, that will give you an idea of the depth of content you need
    to know to take and pass an examination. Knowledge is not like instinct, you
    are born with it it, you learn it from someone, from experience or from
    reading, study

    Anyone who has been in this business with more than one employer, can
    testify as to the very different duties required in various enterprises. You
    could be a very effective, knowledgable Admin/Analyst for an established
    shop and never use 80% of what is required to pass an examination. The proof
    is in the number of long time NT-MCSE and W2K-MCSE that do not pass
    upgrade exams on first try. Often I hear lamentations along the lines
    of..."I went into the test thinking I would pass with a 900 or
    850"...or..."I was surprised when I squeezed by with a 710 or I missed it by
    10-20 points". Some of these are people that are very effective in their
    jobs and knowledgable in troubleshooting, have great daily administrative
    skills...but the test bring up things that you may or may not use on a daily
    basis. Probably...the only people that could pass the test without either
    attending ATC classes or dedicated study of manuals would be a person
    working in a busy consulting shop. They would be the only ones I would see
    being active in installing, configuring everything from a bare floor to a
    working installation on a frequent enough basis to take a Pop quiz and have
    any hope of passing it.

    I do agree, that you should not depend on test simulatons as major part of
    your test prep. Hands on, OJT, and setting up test scenerios is the way to
    keep your less used skill fresh or to develop new ones.
    "pab" <> wrote in message
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    > What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?
    >
    > Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?
    >
    > Regards
    > pab



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  10. pab

    Jerz Guest

    Hmmm... I would say that your "guess" is wrong.... Unless things are
    different with tests other than 272, 271, 270 and 290 ... Sorry, but I can't
    forumulate a conclusion based on "other posters" (especially in THIS
    newsgroup) equating "them to cheating". Perhaps otheres have differing
    opinions based on info from the NT4.0 days but I haven't seen anything that
    would equate Transcender to 'cheating' on the most recent tests that
    microsoft currently offfers. I have not seen any question on Transcender
    that were the same as on any of the tests that I have taken.

    As far as study aids for *you* it varies from individual to individual....
    not everyone has the same experience or the same way of thinking.... Some
    people have excellent reading comprehension while others don't; some have
    tons of money to throw at training while others are lucky to eat mac 'n
    cheese every night.... In the end only you know the answer to your very own
    question; there is no single answer. Go to a store flip through the books
    and score one and don't rely on just one..... If you're going to take a test
    you should know this stuff frontwards, backwards and upside downn...

    I personally, use the press books, cbt nuggets, transcender, and my most
    recent addtion is a book by Lee Scales (complete with test questions from
    preplogic). Studying has got to come from more than one source unless you
    have a tremendous amount of field experience....

    Jerz


    "Patrick Dickey--MSN Beta Tester" <pd1ckey43(removeThis)@msn.com> wrote in
    message news:el#wqD#...
    > Hmmm.. Interesting question.. Even more interesting responses...
    >
    > I haven't looked into Trancenders, so I'm not entirely sure.. Although,

    I'm
    > guessing that the other posters equate them to cheating. My guess is,
    > they're a little TOO close to actual test questions.
    >
    > In the end, I guess it doesn't matter if the tests are easier, harder, or
    > about the same as the Microsoft ones.. What matters is, do you actually

    know
    > the material? Anyone can score perfectly if they've taken the practice
    > tests and the questions are almost exactly like the real test. But, does
    > that make that person qualified?
    >
    > I would equate it to someone walking in with the answers in hand.. Do

    they
    > know the material? No.
    >
    > A better and more honest question to ask everyone here (And, I'm asking,
    > since at some point, I'm going after my MCP's) What would you recommend

    as
    > study aids for the test? And for Practice Tests?
    >
    > I've ran copies of Exam Sim 5.5 and it's pretty good for the A+, but I

    don't
    > know what simulators are good for the MCP's.
    >
    > Patrick.
    >
    > --
    > Smile... Someone out there cares deeply for you...
    > "pab" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?
    > >
    > > Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?
    > >
    > > Regards
    > > pab

    >
    >
    Jerz, Oct 2, 2004
    #10
  11. Ok, I'll stand corrected on the guess that people equate trancenders with
    cheating.. But, it's pretty obvious from this thread, and other threads on
    the subject, that people don't like them. Or, that people don't take them
    seriously.

    And, as I mentioned in my post above, I haven't looked into them. But, the
    few Exam Simulations that I have looked at (for the A+ mainly) flat out say
    that they won't give you the actual questions, because that would be against
    the rules.

    That's why I put the second part of my post in. To suggest that maybe he'll
    get more favorable help by saying "What do you recommend I use to help me
    prepare?" (Granted, I didn't say that exactly in my above post). Or, "What
    did YOU use, that helped you?" Between the two questions, I would imagine
    that the majority of people will find something in the nuggets of replies,
    that works for them.

    Patrick.

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    "Jerz" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hmmm... I would say that your "guess" is wrong.... Unless things are
    > different with tests other than 272, 271, 270 and 290 ... Sorry, but I

    can't
    > forumulate a conclusion based on "other posters" (especially in THIS
    > newsgroup) equating "them to cheating". Perhaps otheres have differing
    > opinions based on info from the NT4.0 days but I haven't seen anything

    that
    > would equate Transcender to 'cheating' on the most recent tests that
    > microsoft currently offfers. I have not seen any question on Transcender
    > that were the same as on any of the tests that I have taken.
    >
    > As far as study aids for *you* it varies from individual to individual....
    > not everyone has the same experience or the same way of thinking.... Some
    > people have excellent reading comprehension while others don't; some have
    > tons of money to throw at training while others are lucky to eat mac 'n
    > cheese every night.... In the end only you know the answer to your very

    own
    > question; there is no single answer. Go to a store flip through the books
    > and score one and don't rely on just one..... If you're going to take a

    test
    > you should know this stuff frontwards, backwards and upside downn...
    >
    > I personally, use the press books, cbt nuggets, transcender, and my most
    > recent addtion is a book by Lee Scales (complete with test questions from
    > preplogic). Studying has got to come from more than one source unless you
    > have a tremendous amount of field experience....
    >
    > Jerz
    >
    >
    > "Patrick Dickey--MSN Beta Tester" <pd1ckey43(removeThis)@msn.com> wrote in
    > message news:el#wqD#...
    > > Hmmm.. Interesting question.. Even more interesting responses...
    > >
    > > I haven't looked into Trancenders, so I'm not entirely sure.. Although,

    > I'm
    > > guessing that the other posters equate them to cheating. My guess is,
    > > they're a little TOO close to actual test questions.
    > >
    > > In the end, I guess it doesn't matter if the tests are easier, harder,

    or
    > > about the same as the Microsoft ones.. What matters is, do you actually

    > know
    > > the material? Anyone can score perfectly if they've taken the practice
    > > tests and the questions are almost exactly like the real test. But,

    does
    > > that make that person qualified?
    > >
    > > I would equate it to someone walking in with the answers in hand.. Do

    > they
    > > know the material? No.
    > >
    > > A better and more honest question to ask everyone here (And, I'm asking,
    > > since at some point, I'm going after my MCP's) What would you recommend

    > as
    > > study aids for the test? And for Practice Tests?
    > >
    > > I've ran copies of Exam Sim 5.5 and it's pretty good for the A+, but I

    > don't
    > > know what simulators are good for the MCP's.
    > >
    > > Patrick.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Smile... Someone out there cares deeply for you...
    > > "pab" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?
    > > >
    > > > Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?
    > > >
    > > > Regards
    > > > pab

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    Patrick Dickey--MSN Beta Tester, Oct 3, 2004
    #11
  12. Thank you for your answer JaR. I'll check into the free resources. Since I
    haven't tried any of the exams (A+, MCP's or others), I have no idea what
    I'm going into.. Except that the next question is based on whether you
    answer this question right or not, and if you answer enough wrong, it will
    tell you that you've failed.

    Patrick.

    --
    Smile... Someone out there cares deeply for you...
    "JaR" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns9575970DD2323plentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16...
    > In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcsa, Patrick Dickey--MSN Beta Tester
    > climbed on a soapbox & opined:
    >
    > > Hmmm.. Interesting question.. Even more interesting responses...
    > >
    > > I<SNIPPAGE> some point, I'm going after my MCP's) What would you
    > > recommend as study aids for the test? And for Practice Tests?
    > >
    > > I've ran copies of Exam Sim 5.5 and it's pretty good for the A+, but I
    > > don't know what simulators are good for the MCP's.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > To be honest, I can't in honesty recommend *any* of the practice tests. If
    > you truly know your stuff, you don't need them. If you just want to get a
    > feel for the format of the MS tests, there are sample Qs available for

    free
    > on the net, and they are a colossal waste of money. Too many use practice
    > tests as a "sudy aid". That is not the way to enlightenment, grasshopper.
    >
    > I used Measure ups to prepare for the first couple of exams I took, but
    > only used the free resources on the web for the last two, and saved a

    bunch
    > of money.
    >
    > JaR
    Patrick Dickey--MSN Beta Tester, Oct 3, 2004
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  13. pab

    ASSFUCKER Guest

    I am NOT a professional typist, nor am I a newsgroup/forum junkie who knows
    all ettiquette and posting formats. Either use your spell checker to fix the
    post now, or just ignore it. I am usually silent because I have nothing to
    say, but today is different. I lurk here a lot without posting because I am
    not yet certified. I have done some research on the braindump, practice test
    controversy. This is what I have seen.

    Here, if someone tries to sell a Testking (or other less known brand),
    certain people will jump on him with both feet. Good , cause SPAM sucks!
    Also, people come here asking to be given the braindumps by email, or web
    page, or whatever, and they get similar treatment. Good, cause they don't
    want to put ANY effort into it. They would probably ask for someone to scan
    a cert for them and then put their own name on it if they could.

    I have seen a certain group of people here normally say brain dumps are bad,
    but now I am seeing them say practice tests are cheating. Yet MS has
    official practice test companies. How about this quote from Measure up...
    "
    Microsoft Practice Tests
    Ok, we admit it - we've got the inside track. MeasureUp is a Microsoft
    Certified Practice Test Provider. And that actually means something to you -
    it means our tests are the closest you can get to the actual exams.
    "

    So they mimic the test very closely. If i read and memorize information,
    does it matter if it came from my college textbook (My MS approved college
    course uses Testout as well as a book. Does that make me a cheater?), or
    from a Testking, as long as I know the information. What's so bad about
    practising for an important test written in a format to purposely confuse
    you, instead of being written plainly asking a direct question? The test is
    important and it is anything but cheap. There is no way I will go to the
    test until I KNOW that I will pass. Another point, I have not been able to
    find on MS sites any reference that Testking or others are illegal or
    cheating, or that your cert will be revoked if they find that you used one.
    This group is the ONLY place I have read that information, and NOT from any
    MS posters.

    I don't like cheaters, and I don't want paper certs competing with me for a
    job, and making my hard work to get a cert lose it's value. But these can be
    a useful reference for learning, even if they are wrong as has been posted
    here many times before. Why? Because I don't beleive what i read in a PDF
    from the WWW, without checking it out. I read the questions and answers, and
    if it doesn't jive with what I have been taught or read before, I check that
    question thoroughly with all my sources for the correct answer. Then I have
    learned. When somone is so strongly against them, I can only assume that it
    is because they work.





    Bottom line: the difference between MS approved methods and anything else is



    WHO GOT PAID.





    "pab" <> wrote in message
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    > What do you think about Trancenders Exam difficulty ?
    >
    > Same, less ou more difficult than the reals Microsoft exams ?
    >
    > Regards
    > pab
    ASSFUCKER, Oct 9, 2004
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