Tiger-trap-friendly secnews for limbo-ed 'users'?

Discussion in 'Firefox' started by Splibbilla, Nov 15, 2004.

  1. Splibbilla

    Splibbilla Guest

    I just landed in netscape.mozilla.general, and read in the (my) second thread:
    ---
    Peter L[snip]

    This is a *developer* newsgroup. For end-user discussion and peer support please go to:
    snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla.user.general
    -----

    ok. And when moz groups are listed on websites, they recommend
    netscape.mozilla.user.general
    But ... that name too closely resembles the simpler
    netscape.mozilla.general

    A different aspect of the situation is also described here:
    -----
    http://www.moztips.com/index.php?id=18
    Performing a search on Google for Mozilla (as explained above) will probably lead you to developer newsgroups.

    Since there have been many messages posted to the developer newsgroups since Mozilla 1.0, new user newsgroups have been
    set up.

    If you are new to Mozilla, it is recommended you visit the user newsgroups. Unfortunately, the user newsgroups are not
    accessible via Google, so you will have to use Mozilla Messenger (Mail and Newsgroups) to access them (from the Window
    menu). By clicking on the links below, and restarting Mozilla thereafter, you should find these user newsgroups accessible in
    Mozilla Messenger.
    -----
    I could go on... adding more reasons & attempts showing why the newbie is almost certain to land in one of the non .user.
    netscape groups

    -----
    And I see many usenet posts (via Google) that suggest there is a stubborn problem here. The stubborness reminds me of a kid
    who keeps hitting his thumb while trying to use a brick as hammer.

    http://groups.google.com/groups?q=s...alt.mozilla&hl=en&lr=&selm=bha41k$9jk1@ripley.
    netscape.com&rnum=1

    http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&rnum=1&prev=/groups?s
    ourceid%3Dmozclient%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-
    8%26q%3Dsnews%2B%257C%2Bsecnews%2B563%2Bport%2B%2Balt.mozilla%2B

    But I hypothesize that netscape doesn't want to host newbie threads. (Of course, hosting costs money. MS can afford to host
    ..public. newgroups, tho true usenet groups for MS products also do well) Somehow netscape has got to clearly deflect civilians
    to the shared (? open hierarchy? True usenet?) groups such as alt.Mozilla. (cast out the newbies! The lions are hungry! etc.)





    meh, meh, meh

    Computer people should "interface" with the public (not the .public.) using plain English if computer people don't want to be
    pestered by plain language speakers.

    If 'someone' wants civilians to adopt Mozilla, 'someone' will better succeed when using civilian-friendly communication
    methods.



    --
    ....like Candlewax Castles made of Poi Jell-O
    Splibbilla, Nov 15, 2004
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  2. Splibbilla wrote:
    > I just landed in netscape.mozilla.general, and read in the (my) second thread:
    > ---
    > Peter L[snip]
    >
    > This is a *developer* newsgroup. For end-user discussion and peer support please go to:
    > snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla.user.general
    > -----
    >
    > ok. And when moz groups are listed on websites, they recommend
    > netscape.mozilla.user.general
    > But ... that name too closely resembles the simpler
    > netscape.mozilla.general
    >
    > A different aspect of the situation is also described here:
    > -----
    > http://www.moztips.com/index.php?id=18
    > Performing a search on Google for Mozilla (as explained above) will probably lead you to developer newsgroups.
    >
    > Since there have been many messages posted to the developer newsgroups since Mozilla 1.0, new user newsgroups have been
    > set up.
    >
    > If you are new to Mozilla, it is recommended you visit the user newsgroups. Unfortunately, the user newsgroups are not
    > accessible via Google, so you will have to use Mozilla Messenger (Mail and Newsgroups) to access them (from the Window
    > menu). By clicking on the links below, and restarting Mozilla thereafter, you should find these user newsgroups accessible in
    > Mozilla Messenger.
    > -----
    > I could go on... adding more reasons & attempts showing why the newbie is almost certain to land in one of the non .user.
    > netscape groups
    >
    > -----
    > And I see many usenet posts (via Google) that suggest there is a stubborn problem here. The stubborness reminds me of a kid
    > who keeps hitting his thumb while trying to use a brick as hammer.
    >
    > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=s...alt.mozilla&hl=en&lr=&selm=bha41k$9jk1@ripley.
    > netscape.com&rnum=1
    >
    > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=&rnum=1&prev=/groups?s
    > ourceid%3Dmozclient%26ie%3Dutf-8%26oe%3Dutf-
    > 8%26q%3Dsnews%2B%257C%2Bsecnews%2B563%2Bport%2B%2Balt.mozilla%2B
    >
    > But I hypothesize that netscape doesn't want to host newbie threads. (Of course, hosting costs money. MS can afford to host
    > .public. newgroups, tho true usenet groups for MS products also do well) Somehow netscape has got to clearly deflect civilians
    > to the shared (? open hierarchy? True usenet?) groups such as alt.Mozilla. (cast out the newbies! The lions are hungry! etc.)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > meh, meh, meh
    >
    > Computer people should "interface" with the public (not the .public.) using plain English if computer people don't want to be
    > pestered by plain language speakers.
    >
    > If 'someone' wants civilians to adopt Mozilla, 'someone' will better succeed when using civilian-friendly communication
    > methods.
    >
    >
    >


    I don't really know where you are going with this. We (Mozilla
    Champions) did not set up the groups, nor did we name them. We just
    work within the framwork we are given.

    If anyone is having difficulty accessing these groups:


    snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla.user.win32
    snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla.user.mac
    snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla.user.unix
    snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla.user.general
    snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla.firebird
    snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla.thunderbird
    snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape7.windows

    Just sing out and I'll lend a hand.

    For what its worth, there is a bug out on this, and a plan to reorganize
    both the developer and user gorups. The wait is for someone to
    volunteer as server admin.

    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239931

    Lee
    --
    Leonidas Jones, Mozilla Champion
    Leonidas Jones, Nov 16, 2004
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