Thunderbird spam filtering

Discussion in 'Firefox' started by baldycotton, Oct 18, 2005.

  1. baldycotton

    baldycotton Guest

    I can't figure out how to make Thunderbird filter the same (at least
    to me) looking spam I receive almost daily.

    Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.

    I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    arrives.

    The header will say something totally misleading like
    "bland receiving yacht victim"

    Any help?

    Dave
     
    baldycotton, Oct 18, 2005
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  2. baldycotton

    Pastor Dave Guest

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:08:57 GMT, baldycotton
    <> spake thusly:

    >I can't figure out how to make Thunderbird filter the same (at least
    >to me) looking spam I receive almost daily.
    >
    >Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    >in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >
    >I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    >arrives.
    >
    >The header will say something totally misleading like
    >"bland receiving yacht victim"
    >
    >Any help?


    Annoying, isn't it? :)

    --

    Pastor Dave
    1st Century Church of Christ

    It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    To raise up the tribes of Jacob
    And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
    That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
    - Israel 49:6
     
    Pastor Dave, Oct 18, 2005
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  3. baldycotton

    Old Gringo Guest

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:00:05 GMT, in the alt.fan.mozilla News Group,
    Without Any Hesitation Pastor Dave Wrote The Following:

    > On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:08:57 GMT, baldycotton
    > <> spake thusly:
    >
    >>I can't figure out how to make Thunderbird filter the same (at least
    >>to me) looking spam I receive almost daily.
    >>
    >>Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    >>in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >>
    >>I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    >>arrives.
    >>
    >>The header will say something totally misleading like
    >>"bland receiving yacht victim"
    >>
    >>Any help?

    >
    > Annoying, isn't it? :)


    LMAO :)
    --
    Old Gringo
    The Future Is Not What It Use To Be
    Freedom For The World 10/17/05 8:31:30 PM
    http://www.nuboy-industries.com
     
    Old Gringo, Oct 18, 2005
    #3
  4. baldycotton

    Pastor Dave Guest

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:31:20 GMT, Old Gringo
    <> spake thusly:


    >>>Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    >>>in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >>>
    >>>I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    >>>arrives.
    >>>
    >>>The header will say something totally misleading like
    >>>"bland receiving yacht victim"
    >>>
    >>>Any help?

    >>
    >> Annoying, isn't it? :)

    >
    >LMAO :)


    It truly is. :) I have it coming in all the time. I don't
    even know how they picked up my address, unless
    it's from news groups. And it's always porno stuff
    and it's always stupid subject lines like what he quoted.

    --

    Pastor Dave
    1st Century Church of Christ

    It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    To raise up the tribes of Jacob
    And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
    That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
    - Israel 49:6
     
    Pastor Dave, Oct 18, 2005
    #4
  5. baldycotton

    Old Gringo Guest

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:03:34 GMT, in the alt.fan.mozilla News Group,
    Without Any Hesitation Pastor Dave Wrote The Following:

    > On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:31:20 GMT, Old Gringo
    > <> spake thusly:
    >
    >
    >>>>Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    >>>>in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >>>>
    >>>>I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    >>>>arrives.
    >>>>
    >>>>The header will say something totally misleading like
    >>>>"bland receiving yacht victim"
    >>>>
    >>>>Any help?
    >>>
    >>> Annoying, isn't it? :)

    >>
    >>LMAO :)

    >
    > It truly is. :) I have it coming in all the time. I don't
    > even know how they picked up my address, unless
    > it's from news groups. And it's always porno stuff
    > and it's always stupid subject lines like what he quoted.


    I know, I get them all the time from my web site email address. I
    just go in once a week and delete them all to keep the box cleaned
    up.
    --
    Old Gringo
    The Future Is Not What It Use To Be
    Freedom For The World 10/17/05 9:26:03 PM
    http://www.nuboy-industries.com
     
    Old Gringo, Oct 18, 2005
    #5
  6. baldycotton wrote:
    > I can't figure out how to make Thunderbird filter the same (at least
    > to me) looking spam I receive almost daily.
    >
    > Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    > in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >
    > I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    > arrives.
    >
    > The header will say something totally misleading like
    > "bland receiving yacht victim"
    >
    > Any help?
    >
    > Dave


    Other then to keep marking them as junk to train the JMC, I don't have a
    solution.

    I do have Poptray installed, with some custom filters and a blacklist of
    its own, which cuts out some before it reaches TB. I also delete
    obvious spam manually. You might try that.

    LEE
     
    Leonidas Jones, Oct 18, 2005
    #6
  7. baldycotton

    Pastor Dave Guest

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:27:01 GMT, Old Gringo
    <> spake thusly:


    >>>LMAO :)

    >>
    >> It truly is. :) I have it coming in all the time. I don't
    >> even know how they picked up my address, unless
    >> it's from news groups. And it's always porno stuff
    >> and it's always stupid subject lines like what he quoted.

    >
    >I know, I get them all the time from my web site email address. I
    >just go in once a week and delete them all to keep the box cleaned
    >up.


    I use Yahoo mostly and it is pretty good about spam, but
    this stuff makes it through every time. :) And it says
    something like...

    "Young chicken house car sex want"

    <laugh> :)

    --

    Pastor Dave
    1st Century Church of Christ

    It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    To raise up the tribes of Jacob
    And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
    That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
    - Israel 49:6
     
    Pastor Dave, Oct 18, 2005
    #7
  8. baldycotton

    Pastor Dave Guest

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:32:51 GMT, Leonidas Jones
    <> spake thusly:

    >baldycotton wrote:
    >> I can't figure out how to make Thunderbird filter the same (at least
    >> to me) looking spam I receive almost daily.
    >>
    >> Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    >> in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >>
    >> I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    >> arrives.
    >>
    >> The header will say something totally misleading like
    >> "bland receiving yacht victim"
    >>
    >> Any help?
    >>
    >> Dave

    >
    >Other then to keep marking them as junk to train the JMC, I don't have a
    >solution.


    No, they vary too much. They must be coming from just a
    couple of main sites and they really should be tracked down.


    >I do have Poptray installed, with some custom filters and a blacklist of
    >its own, which cuts out some before it reaches TB. I also delete
    >obvious spam manually. You might try that.


    Well, that won't help with web mail, will it? I use Yahoo
    mostly for email. TBird I use for private addresses that
    only a few people have, except for the one I use in usenet,
    above.

    --

    Pastor Dave
    1st Century Church of Christ

    It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    To raise up the tribes of Jacob
    And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
    That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
    - Israel 49:6
     
    Pastor Dave, Oct 18, 2005
    #8
  9. Pastor Dave wrote:
    > On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:32:51 GMT, Leonidas Jones
    > <> spake thusly:
    >
    >> baldycotton wrote:
    >>> I can't figure out how to make Thunderbird filter the same (at least
    >>> to me) looking spam I receive almost daily.
    >>>
    >>> Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    >>> in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >>>
    >>> I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    >>> arrives.
    >>>
    >>> The header will say something totally misleading like
    >>> "bland receiving yacht victim"
    >>>
    >>> Any help?
    >>>
    >>> Dave

    >> Other then to keep marking them as junk to train the JMC, I don't have a
    >> solution.

    >
    > No, they vary too much. They must be coming from just a
    > couple of main sites and they really should be tracked down.
    >
    >
    >> I do have Poptray installed, with some custom filters and a blacklist of
    >> its own, which cuts out some before it reaches TB. I also delete
    >> obvious spam manually. You might try that.

    >
    > Well, that won't help with web mail, will it? I use Yahoo
    > mostly for email. TBird I use for private addresses that
    > only a few people have, except for the one I use in usenet,
    > above.
    >


    Actually, used in conjunction with Freepops, Poptray can makes its
    filters and blacklist operate on Yahoo mail ID's.

    Lee
     
    Leonidas Jones, Oct 18, 2005
    #9
  10. baldycotton

    Old Gringo Guest

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:35:17 GMT, in the alt.fan.mozilla News Group,
    Without Any Hesitation Pastor Dave Wrote The Following:

    > On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:27:01 GMT, Old Gringo
    > <> spake thusly:
    >
    >
    >>>>LMAO :)
    >>>
    >>> It truly is. :) I have it coming in all the time. I don't
    >>> even know how they picked up my address, unless
    >>> it's from news groups. And it's always porno stuff
    >>> and it's always stupid subject lines like what he quoted.

    >>
    >>I know, I get them all the time from my web site email address. I
    >>just go in once a week and delete them all to keep the box cleaned
    >>up.

    >
    > I use Yahoo mostly and it is pretty good about spam, but
    > this stuff makes it through every time. :) And it says
    > something like...
    >
    > "Young chicken house car sex want"
    >
    > <laugh> :)


    A royal pain for sure.
    --
    Old Gringo
    The Future Is Not What It Use To Be
    Freedom For The World 10/17/05 10:20:18 PM
    http://www.nuboy-industries.com
     
    Old Gringo, Oct 18, 2005
    #10
  11. baldycotton

    Moz Champion Guest

    baldycotton wrote:
    > I can't figure out how to make Thunderbird filter the same (at least
    > to me) looking spam I receive almost daily.
    >
    > Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    > in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >
    > I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    > arrives.
    >
    > The header will say something totally misleading like
    > "bland receiving yacht victim"
    >
    > Any help?
    >
    > Dave


    Spammers have learned to adapt their messages to most filter programs,
    inclusive of the Baysien model used in Junk Mail Controls. That being
    said, my JMC is still catching over 99% of all spam sent my way, a
    pretty impressive total.

    If you are content to sit idly by and just filter spam, then there is
    not much you can do about these spammers, other than teach JMC each time
    you get one by clicking on the Junk button.

    If STOPPING your spam (not just hiding it) is on your mind, then there
    is a simple, easy and very effective method at doing just that. Ask if
    you want to know more.
     
    Moz Champion, Oct 19, 2005
    #11

  12. >--
    >
    >Pastor Dave
    >1st Century Church of Christ
    >
    >It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    >To raise up the tribes of Jacob
    >And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    >I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
    >That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
    >- Israel 49:6


    Sayeth the Lord, standard net sig lines should not exceed five lines.
    --
    Help make Usenet a better place: English is read
    downwards,please don't top post. Trim replies to
    quote only relevant text.
     
    no_one@no_where.invalid, Oct 24, 2005
    #12
  13. no_one@no_where.invalid wrote:
    >> --
    >>
    >> Pastor Dave
    >> 1st Century Church of Christ
    >>
    >> It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    >> To raise up the tribes of Jacob
    >> And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    >> I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
    >> That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
    >> - Israel 49:6

    >
    > Sayeth the Lord, standard net sig lines should not exceed five lines.


    Depends on who you talk to, I've seen four, I've seen eight. Though I
    don't use a sig here, when I do use one, I try to keep mine to four.

    I think though, a Biblical quotation, particularly from a minister, can
    be allowed to squeak through. ;) Since we are all, pretty much, using
    modern newsreaders that strip the sig anyhow, I don't think an extra
    line or two is a big issue. I assume you intentionally kept Dave's from
    being stripped.

    Lee
     
    Leonidas Jones, Oct 24, 2005
    #13
  14. baldycotton

    Stubby Guest

    Leonidas Jones wrote:
    > no_one@no_where.invalid wrote:
    >
    >>> --
    >>>
    >>> Pastor Dave
    >>> 1st Century Church of Christ
    >>>
    >>> It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    >>> To raise up the tribes of Jacob
    >>> And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    >>> I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
    >>> That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
    >>> - Israel 49:6

    >>
    >>
    >> Sayeth the Lord, standard net sig lines should not exceed five lines.

    >
    >
    > Depends on who you talk to, I've seen four, I've seen eight. Though I
    > don't use a sig here, when I do use one, I try to keep mine to four.
    >
    > I think though, a Biblical quotation, particularly from a minister, can
    > be allowed to squeak through. ;) Since we are all, pretty much, using
    > modern newsreaders that strip the sig anyhow, I don't think an extra
    > line or two is a big issue. I assume you intentionally kept Dave's from
    > being stripped.
    >
    > Lee


    I was brought up to believe that polite people do not discuss religeon,
    politics or sex in public.
     
    Stubby, Oct 24, 2005
    #14
  15. OT sigs was Re: Thunderbird spam filtering

    Stubby wrote:
    > Leonidas Jones wrote:
    >> no_one@no_where.invalid wrote:
    >>
    >>>> --
    >>>>
    >>>> Pastor Dave
    >>>> 1st Century Church of Christ
    >>>>
    >>>> It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    >>>> To raise up the tribes of Jacob
    >>>> And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    >>>> I will also give you as a Light to the Gentiles,
    >>>> That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
    >>>> - Israel 49:6
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Sayeth the Lord, standard net sig lines should not exceed five lines.

    >>
    >>
    >> Depends on who you talk to, I've seen four, I've seen eight. Though I
    >> don't use a sig here, when I do use one, I try to keep mine to four.
    >>
    >> I think though, a Biblical quotation, particularly from a minister,
    >> can be allowed to squeak through. ;) Since we are all, pretty much,
    >> using modern newsreaders that strip the sig anyhow, I don't think an
    >> extra line or two is a big issue. I assume you intentionally kept
    >> Dave's from being stripped.
    >>
    >> Lee

    >
    > I was brought up to believe that polite people do not discuss religeon,
    > politics or sex in public.


    It wasn't a discussion, it was a Bible quote in a sig.

    There is nothing wrong with discussing religion of politics, or even
    sex, if done in the appropriate venue. I agree though, that this is not
    the appropriate venue.

    Still, its just a Bible quote in a sig. Someone else may choose to
    quote Shakespeare, or put in links to web sites that interest them, but
    are not germane to the tech support nature of this group. As long as
    they don't get too big, I don't see the harm in it.

    Lee
     
    Leonidas Jones, Oct 24, 2005
    #15
  16. baldycotton

    Jim Guest

    On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:19:15 GMT, Moz Champion
    <> wrote:

    >baldycotton wrote:
    >> I can't figure out how to make Thunderbird filter the same (at least
    >> to me) looking spam I receive almost daily.
    >>
    >> Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    >> in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >>
    >> I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    >> arrives.
    >>
    >> The header will say something totally misleading like
    >> "bland receiving yacht victim"
    >>
    >> Any help?
    >>
    >> Dave

    >
    >Spammers have learned to adapt their messages to most filter programs,
    >inclusive of the Baysien model used in Junk Mail Controls. That being
    >said, my JMC is still catching over 99% of all spam sent my way, a
    >pretty impressive total.
    >
    >If you are content to sit idly by and just filter spam, then there is
    >not much you can do about these spammers, other than teach JMC each time
    >you get one by clicking on the Junk button.
    >
    >If STOPPING your spam (not just hiding it) is on your mind, then there
    >is a simple, easy and very effective method at doing just that. Ask if
    >you want to know more.


    My Junk Mail C0ntrol seems to have suddenly developed great trouble
    i.d.ing spam. Until perhaps a couple weeks ago I would say it
    correctly identified around 80%, but now it's more like 20%. My e-mail
    provider snags about 30-35 a day (thank goodness), but another 15 or
    so get through to me and only 2-4 are now correctly being recognized
    as junk, I have not tinkered with any settings nor upgraded nor
    reloaded Thunderbird. Have spammers suddenly found a new tactic? Most
    of the headers are as baldycotton wrote above, but they have been that
    way since before this failure to detect spam began.

    ANy suggestions as to how to get back to where I was.
    Any extensions or anything that can be added?

    Jim
     
    Jim, Jan 4, 2006
    #16
  17. Jim wrote:

    >On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 04:19:15 GMT, Moz Champion
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>baldycotton wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I can't figure out how to make Thunderbird filter the same (at least
    >>>to me) looking spam I receive almost daily.
    >>>
    >>>Offers for Rolex watches, Viagra, cheap prescription drugs, etc. come
    >>>in from different addresses and aren't even addressed directly to me.
    >>>
    >>>I'll click on the "junk" button, and the next day a similar spam
    >>>arrives.
    >>>
    >>>The header will say something totally misleading like
    >>>"bland receiving yacht victim"
    >>>
    >>>Any help?
    >>>
    >>>Dave
    >>>
    >>>

    >>Spammers have learned to adapt their messages to most filter programs,
    >>inclusive of the Baysien model used in Junk Mail Controls. That being
    >>said, my JMC is still catching over 99% of all spam sent my way, a
    >>pretty impressive total.
    >>
    >>If you are content to sit idly by and just filter spam, then there is
    >>not much you can do about these spammers, other than teach JMC each time
    >>you get one by clicking on the Junk button.
    >>
    >>If STOPPING your spam (not just hiding it) is on your mind, then there
    >>is a simple, easy and very effective method at doing just that. Ask if
    >>you want to know more.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >My Junk Mail C0ntrol seems to have suddenly developed great trouble
    >i.d.ing spam. Until perhaps a couple weeks ago I would say it
    >correctly identified around 80%, but now it's more like 20%. My e-mail
    >provider snags about 30-35 a day (thank goodness), but another 15 or
    >so get through to me and only 2-4 are now correctly being recognized
    >as junk, I have not tinkered with any settings nor upgraded nor
    >reloaded Thunderbird. Have spammers suddenly found a new tactic? Most
    >of the headers are as baldycotton wrote above, but they have been that
    >way since before this failure to detect spam began.
    >
    >ANy suggestions as to how to get back to where I was.
    >Any extensions or anything that can be added?
    >
    >Jim
    >
    >

    Cant say as I have seen that here, my JMC is still running at 99% plus.
    You DO teach JMC which is spam and which is not, correct? Spammers have
    always tried to 'beat' filtering systems, even the 'learning' baysien
    models (of which JMC is one). Simply keep telling JMC what is spam (and
    what is not if it marks one that isnt) and in time the spammers latest
    efforts will also fail.

    Once more tho, any filtering system is just a means to an end, a tool to
    be used. By itself, a passive filter system will NEVER stop spam, it
    will simply hide it. The more you improve your defences, the more
    opportunity the spammer has to try to break it. No matter how strong
    your 'Maginot' line is, as long as you sit idly by and allow the enemy
    to test it and test it again, they will find a weaknesss.

    Everytime you 'teach' JMC anew, you are in fact allowing the spammers to
    get away with it. They are not hampered or hindered in any way every
    time they send you a 'new' version, there is no downside to it for
    them. If it gets through, they win, and if it doesnt get through they
    still win (because they can have their own Baysien filters as examples)
    - they learn that 'this' doesnt work anymore, so they switch to another
    tactic.

    Until such time as users put the shoe on the other foot, and start
    making spammers jump to their tune (instead of the other way 'round), it
    will be a never ending escalating battle. They spam, you teach JMC, they
    spam until it breaks, you teach JMC, and so on. You dont win a war by
    depending on defences, no matter HOW good they are.
     
    Moz Champion (Dan), Jan 5, 2006
    #17
  18. baldycotton

    Sniper .308 Guest

    On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 03:49:53 GMT, "Moz Champion (Dan)"
    <> wrote:


    >Cant say as I have seen that here, my JMC is still running at 99% plus.
    >You DO teach JMC which is spam and which is not, correct?


    With the built in trained JMC and my own rule set as back up it is
    scoring 100% for me.
     
    Sniper .308, Jan 5, 2006
    #18
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