Think I got lucky - thistle photo

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    ray Guest

    ray, Jul 2, 2010
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    Ofnuts Guest

    On 02/07/2010 19:20, ray wrote:
    > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    >
    > http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    >


    The bee looks weird. Too much sharpening?

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    Ofnuts, Jul 2, 2010
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    ASCII Guest

    ASCII, Jul 2, 2010
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    Ted Banks Guest

    On 2 Jul 2010 17:20:58 GMT, ray <> wrote:

    >Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    >near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    >
    >http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg


    This isn't any sort of luck. This is about as basic as basic gets. Beginner
    students should be able to capture images like this their first week with
    their very first camera. Your example sorely needs cropping too. I'll leave
    it to you to figure out the composition required of this subject. Even
    remedial photographers would do this cropping and composition properly
    in-camera.
    Ted Banks, Jul 2, 2010
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    Robert Coe Guest

    On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:31:18 +0200, Ofnuts <> wrote:
    : On 02/07/2010 19:20, ray wrote:
    : > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    : > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    : >
    : > http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    : >
    :
    : The bee looks weird. Too much sharpening?

    Aren't there two bees?

    Bob
    Robert Coe, Jul 3, 2010
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  6. ray

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:09:52 -0700, Mike Russell
    <> wrote:
    : On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:17:24 -0500, Ted Banks wrote:
    :
    : > On 2 Jul 2010 17:20:58 GMT, ray <> wrote:
    : >
    : >>Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    : >>near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    : >>
    : >>http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    : >
    : > This isn't any sort of luck. This is about as basic as basic gets. Beginner
    : > students should be able to capture images like this their first week with
    : > their very first camera. Your example sorely needs cropping too. I'll leave
    : > it to you to figure out the composition required of this subject. Even
    : > remedial photographers would do this cropping and composition properly
    : > in-camera.
    :
    : Pouring scorn - did you notice yet that some of it spills into your
    : everyday life? Ew.

    Do you not get it? He doesn't have an everyday life.

    Bob
    Robert Coe, Jul 3, 2010
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  7. ray

    Robert Coe Guest

    On 2 Jul 2010 17:20:58 GMT, ray <> wrote:
    : Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    : near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    :
    : http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg

    Nice shot. I'd crop it so it doesn't sit quite so low in the frame.

    Bob
    Robert Coe, Jul 3, 2010
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    ray Guest

    On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:19:49 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:

    > On 2 Jul 2010 17:20:58 GMT, ray <> wrote: : Totally
    > untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot : near
    > Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago. :
    > : http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    >
    > Nice shot. I'd crop it so it doesn't sit quite so low in the frame.
    >
    > Bob


    Thanks - I did crop and print it for my mother in law. She is an artist
    of some accomplishment.
    ray, Jul 3, 2010
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  9. ray

    Nervous Nick Guest

    On Jul 3, 12:13 pm, Robert Coe <> wrote:
    > On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:31:18 +0200, Ofnuts <> wrote:
    >
    > : On 02/07/2010 19:20, ray wrote:
    > : > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    > : > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    > : >
    > : >http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    > : >
    > :
    > : The bee looks weird. Too much sharpening?
    >
    > Aren't there two bees?


    It sure looks that way.

    It looks like the bees got lucky as well as Ray.

    If I didn't know better, I would say that that is two bees fucking.

    It could be a couple of funky-looking (nectar-eating) flies of some
    sort having conjugal relations, but it wouldn't be bees or wasps. I
    think those insects all do that stuff in the privacy of their own
    nests and in a pretty rigid caste system. Could be a yellow jacket
    carrying a dead yellow jacket off to cannibalize. Strange
    Nervous Nick, Jul 4, 2010
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    Peter Guest

    "Allen" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Robert Coe wrote:
    >> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:31:18 +0200, Ofnuts <>
    >> wrote:
    >> : On 02/07/2010 19:20, ray wrote:
    >> : > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I
    >> shot
    >> : > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    >> : >
    >> : > http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    >> : >
    >> : : The bee looks weird. Too much sharpening?
    >>
    >> Aren't there two bees?
    >>
    >> Bob

    > Or not two bees. That is the question. Actually, if there is a second bee
    > in there, then it really does look weird.



    Well they are both sons of bees.

    If you really want to save money
    Have swarms of bees fly in and out of your gas tank.
    It will then become filled with bee pee


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    Peter, Jul 4, 2010
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    Peter Guest

    "George Kerby" <> wrote in message
    news:C8556052.49216%...
    >
    >
    >
    > On 7/3/10 9:23 PM, in article
    > 4c2ff0c4$0$5494$-secrets.com, "Peter"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> "Allen" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Robert Coe wrote:
    >>>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:31:18 +0200, Ofnuts <>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>> : On 02/07/2010 19:20, ray wrote:
    >>>> : > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I
    >>>> shot
    >>>> : > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    >>>> : >
    >>>> : > http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    >>>> : >
    >>>> : : The bee looks weird. Too much sharpening?
    >>>>
    >>>> Aren't there two bees?
    >>>>
    >>>> Bob
    >>> Or not two bees. That is the question. Actually, if there is a second
    >>> bee
    >>> in there, then it really does look weird.

    >>
    >>
    >> Well they are both sons of bees.
    >>
    >> If you really want to save money
    >> Have swarms of bees fly in and out of your gas tank.
    >> It will then become filled with bee pee
    >>

    > NOTHING can save British Petroleum. Forget it...
    >



    But regulating BP is socialism. You have said as much, yourself. Wattsa
    matta, you don't think there should be any regulation of business.

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    Peter
    Peter, Jul 4, 2010
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  12. ray

    LOL! Guest

    On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 19:18:05 -0700 (PDT), Nervous Nick
    <> wrote:

    >On Jul 3, 12:13 pm, Robert Coe <> wrote:
    >> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:31:18 +0200, Ofnuts <> wrote:
    >>
    >> : On 02/07/2010 19:20, ray wrote:
    >> : > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    >> : > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    >> : >
    >> : >http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    >> : >
    >> :
    >> : The bee looks weird. Too much sharpening?
    >>
    >> Aren't there two bees?

    >
    >It sure looks that way.
    >
    >It looks like the bees got lucky as well as Ray.
    >
    >If I didn't know better, I would say that that is two bees fucking.
    >
    >It could be a couple of funky-looking (nectar-eating) flies of some
    >sort having conjugal relations, but it wouldn't be bees or wasps. I
    >think those insects all do that stuff in the privacy of their own
    >nests and in a pretty rigid caste system. Could be a yellow jacket
    >carrying a dead yellow jacket off to cannibalize. Strange
    >


    This whole thread is a good testament to the failed education system. If
    all you fools only realized what kinds of 2nd-grade level of education
    errors you are making about describing or knowing bee-behavior and genders.

    Hell, I knew about this stuff before 1st-grade, from reading "The How and
    Why Book of Ants & Bees".

    Hint: none of you should ever audition to get on "Are You Smarter Than a
    5th Grader?" You don't even know a 2nd-grader's level of knowledge.

    And to think, these very same people feel they have the intellect to hand
    out advice about cameras and photography too.

    ROFLMAO!
    LOL!, Jul 4, 2010
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  13. ray

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 21:45:51 -0500, George Kerby <>
    wrote:
    :
    : On 7/3/10 9:18 PM, in article
    : , "Nervous
    : Nick" <> wrote:
    :
    : > On Jul 3, 12:13 pm, Robert Coe <> wrote:
    : >> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:31:18 +0200, Ofnuts <> wrote:
    : >>
    : >> : On 02/07/2010 19:20, ray wrote:
    : >> : > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    : >> : > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    : >> : >
    : >> : >http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    : >> : >
    : >> :
    : >> : The bee looks weird. Too much sharpening?
    : >>
    : >> Aren't there two bees?
    : >
    : > It sure looks that way.
    : >
    : > It looks like the bees got lucky as well as Ray.
    : >
    : > If I didn't know better, I would say that that is two bees fucking.
    : >
    : Workers aren't allowed to fornicate on the job.

    I believe the fornicating one is a drone (Republican) bee.

    It's an allegorical picture, George. The other bee represents the USA.

    Bob
    Robert Coe, Jul 4, 2010
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    Robert Coe <> wrote:
    >On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:31:18 +0200, Ofnuts <> wrote:
    >: On 02/07/2010 19:20, ray wrote:
    >: > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    >: > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    >: >
    >: > http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    >: >
    >:
    >: The bee looks weird. Too much sharpening?
    >
    >Aren't there two bees?


    Nope. It has pollen on its hind leg.

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    Ray Fischer, Jul 4, 2010
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    Peter Guest

    "George Kerby" <> wrote in message
    news:C8556528.49226%...
    >
    >
    >
    > On 7/3/10 9:56 PM, in article
    > 4c2ff86b$1$5512$-secrets.com, "Peter"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> "George Kerby" <> wrote in message
    >> news:C8556052.49216%...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 7/3/10 9:23 PM, in article
    >>> 4c2ff0c4$0$5494$-secrets.com, "Peter"
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Allen" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> Robert Coe wrote:
    >>>>>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:31:18 +0200, Ofnuts <>
    >>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>> : On 02/07/2010 19:20, ray wrote:
    >>>>>> : > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think)
    >>>>>> I
    >>>>>> shot
    >>>>>> : > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    >>>>>> : >
    >>>>>> : > http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    >>>>>> : >
    >>>>>> : : The bee looks weird. Too much sharpening?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Aren't there two bees?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Bob
    >>>>> Or not two bees. That is the question. Actually, if there is a second
    >>>>> bee
    >>>>> in there, then it really does look weird.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Well they are both sons of bees.
    >>>>
    >>>> If you really want to save money
    >>>> Have swarms of bees fly in and out of your gas tank.
    >>>> It will then become filled with bee pee
    >>>>
    >>> NOTHING can save British Petroleum. Forget it...
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> But regulating BP is socialism. You have said as much, yourself. Wattsa
    >> matta, you don't think there should be any regulation of business.

    >
    > You REALLY take yourself too seriously. Take a breath, Einstein. It was a
    > fuckin word play joke. Jeezus..
    >



    NSDT


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    Peter, Jul 4, 2010
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    Irwell Guest

    Irwell, Jul 5, 2010
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    ray Guest

    On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 19:21:14 -0700, Irwell wrote:

    > On 2 Jul 2010 17:20:58 GMT, ray wrote:
    >
    >> Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    >> near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    >>
    >> http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg

    >
    > Nic picture, here is my version taken with a Panasonic G1, Roumania
    > 2009.
    > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?

    forum=1041&message=35722526

    Cool - interesting looking bugs.
    ray, Jul 5, 2010
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    Robert Coe Guest

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 19:21:14 -0700, Irwell <> wrote:
    : On 2 Jul 2010 17:20:58 GMT, ray wrote:
    :
    : > Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    : > near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    : >
    : > http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg
    :
    : Nic picture, here is my version taken with a
    : Panasonic G1, Roumania 2009.
    : http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1041&message=35722526

    Well, I'm afraid your voracious, destructive Japanese beetles don't engender
    the same warm feeling in the viewer as Ray's nice, helpful bee. ;^)

    Bob
    Robert Coe, Jul 5, 2010
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  19. On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 19:21:14 -0700, Irwell <> wrote:

    >On 2 Jul 2010 17:20:58 GMT, ray wrote:
    >
    >> Totally untouched photo of a thistle (canadian thistle, I think) I shot
    >> near Cauldron Linn on the Snake River a couple of days ago.
    >>
    >> http://www.rcarter.net/region/thistle.jpg

    >
    >Nic picture, here is my version taken with a
    >Panasonic G1, Roumania 2009.
    >http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1041&message=35722526


    Since everyone is into thistles....

    http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4764772879_e644410ff4_b.jpg

    Shot handheld with a with a Fuji Finepix 2600z, 2.1 megapixel, fully
    automatic, 3x zoom, P&S camera (about 10 years ago) on a very cloudy and
    overcast day. (Note total lack of shadows.) Using a close-up filter
    fashioned from a single-element plastic "achromat" salvaged from an old
    126-Instamatic.

    With careful upsampling and applying a Fourier transform at each stage this
    can be successfully printed to 18"x13" from a 2.1 megapixel camera. This is
    the downsized (and intentionally jpg degraded) image from the 3300x2475
    upsampled version used for that very purpose.
    It's NEVER the Camera, Jul 5, 2010
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  20. On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:40:07 -0700, John Navas <>
    wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:25:21 -0700, in
    ><>, Paul Furman
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>It's NEVER the Camera wrote:

    >
    >>> Since everyone is into thistles....
    >>>
    >>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4764772879_e644410ff4_b.jpg
    >>>
    >>> Shot handheld with a with a Fuji Finepix 2600z, 2.1 megapixel, fully
    >>> automatic, 3x zoom, P&S camera (about 10 years ago) on a very cloudy and
    >>> overcast day. (Note total lack of shadows.) Using a close-up filter
    >>> fashioned from a single-element plastic "achromat" salvaged from an old
    >>> 126-Instamatic.
    >>>
    >>> With careful upsampling and applying a Fourier transform at each stage this
    >>> can be successfully printed to 18"x13" from a 2.1 megapixel camera. This is
    >>> the downsized (and intentionally jpg degraded) image from the 3300x2475
    >>> upsampled version used for that very purpose.

    >>
    >>Nice pic, but 8 megapixels from 2 (given half a megapixel to see). Oh
    >>boy. I've printed 3 megapixels at 13x19 - it can be passable flipping
    >>through quickly if the content is good.


    Here's where you don't realize that content is more important than pixels.
    Due to the large subject sizes and bold color-contrasting composition
    viewers don't concentrate on looking for every hair on the body of the
    beetle or minute depressions in the elytra.

    >
    >I liked the Fourier transform bit. LOL!
    >
    >Even with Genuine Fractals, I'd say 13x18 from 2.1 MP
    >would be no better than "acceptable" at normal viewing distance.


    Try it sometime. I never cared for the oil-painting artifacts that Genuine
    Fractals creates. Someone gave me the latest version and I didn't even
    bother to install it this time. Don't apply the Fourier-transform at full
    strength for each upsampling step. Gently nudge the edges where you want
    them. At times using a 2 to 3 pixel radius at 25%, other times a 1 or 2
    pixel radius at 50%. A gaussian blur or noise-removal step to subdue the
    ringing artifacts at some stages of multi-step upsampling can also help.
    The amount used at each upsampling step is subjective and wholly dependent
    on the subject matter. Like noise-removal methods, this can't be a "one
    standard sequence fits all" operation. I will also mix and match upsampling
    algorithms during this process. Bicubic when I need to soften edges for the
    next Fourier-transform step; or use a Lanczos, Bell, or Spline upsampling
    step when I want to retain the details created by the last
    Fourier-transform.

    This does of course require that you have pixel-level details to start
    with. If your details are spread over 2 or more pixels to begin with you
    won't be able to upsample as much. That little Finepix camera has an
    amazingly well matched set of optics and sensor. With 1 quick upsampling to
    smooth the stair-step pixel edges 8"x10" prints are the norm from it. No
    different than a print made from a DSLR where details are commonly spread
    over 2 to 3 pixels. Each pixel from that Finepix camera contains discreet
    and valid image information. Though this does depend on if your images are
    worth looking at. Mine usually are. People never look at the pixels of the
    images that I print. If someone is looking at your pixels and not the
    content that they convey then you've failed as a photographer.
    It's NEVER the Camera, Jul 6, 2010
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