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    tony cooper, Dec 12, 2012
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    On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
    <> wrote:

    >Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
    >for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
    >kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:
    >
    >http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-DqpL7CW/0/X2/2012-12-07-09-X2.jpg



    This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
    people and windows.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg


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    tony cooper, Dec 15, 2012
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    On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:15:09 -0500, Bowser <> wrote:

    >On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
    >>for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
    >>kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:
    >>
    >>http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-DqpL7CW/0/X2/2012-12-07-09-X2.jpg

    >
    >Damn, I like that!
    >
    >I've got three, but I've gone retro and tried to mimic the traditional
    >look of the B&W street shooters.


    My three will be in B&W, but not all that traditional.


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    tony cooper, Dec 16, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
    <> wrote:

    >On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
    >>for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
    >>kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:
    >>
    >>http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-DqpL7CW/0/X2/2012-12-07-09-X2.jpg

    >
    >
    >This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
    >people and windows.
    >
    >http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg



    This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:

    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-nzt6NVQ/0/XL/2012-12-18-06B-XL.jpg

    Mentally titled "Not for him".

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    tony cooper, Dec 19, 2012
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    Peter Guest

    On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
    > On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
    >>> for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
    >>> kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:
    >>>
    >>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-DqpL7CW/0/X2/2012-12-07-09-X2.jpg

    >>
    >>
    >> This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
    >> people and windows.
    >>
    >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg

    >
    >
    > This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:
    >
    > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-nzt6NVQ/0/XL/2012-12-18-06B-XL.jpg
    >
    > Mentally titled "Not for him".
    >

    Missed your reason for the title.
    The bright sign pulls my eye from his face.

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    Peter, Dec 26, 2012
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:04:44 -0500, Peter <>
    wrote:

    >On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
    >> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
    >>>> for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
    >>>> kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-DqpL7CW/0/X2/2012-12-07-09-X2.jpg
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
    >>> people and windows.
    >>>
    >>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg

    >>
    >>
    >> This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:
    >>
    >> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-nzt6NVQ/0/XL/2012-12-18-06B-XL.jpg
    >>
    >> Mentally titled "Not for him".
    >>

    >Missed your reason for the title.


    The man is presumably homeless or at least financially distressed.
    The apartment renting service is not likely to rent him an apartment.

    >The bright sign pulls my eye from his face.


    The juxtaposition of the sign and the man is what appealed to me. I
    could have cropped out the box, but felt that it added to the scene.


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    Tony Cooper, Dec 26, 2012
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    Peter Guest

    On 12/26/2012 6:56 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    > On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:04:44 -0500, Peter <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
    >>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
    >>>>> for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
    >>>>> kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-DqpL7CW/0/X2/2012-12-07-09-X2.jpg
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
    >>>> people and windows.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:
    >>>
    >>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-nzt6NVQ/0/XL/2012-12-18-06B-XL.jpg
    >>>
    >>> Mentally titled "Not for him".
    >>>

    >> Missed your reason for the title.

    >
    > The man is presumably homeless or at least financially distressed.
    > The apartment renting service is not likely to rent him an apartment.
    >
    >> The bright sign pulls my eye from his face.

    >
    > The juxtaposition of the sign and the man is what appealed to me. I
    > could have cropped out the box, but felt that it added to the scene.
    >
    >


    OK. I just saw a complete lack of expression on the man.
    Here's one of mine that didn't make the cut, for that reason.

    <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/97242118/Aquaduct_0223.jpg>

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    Peter, Dec 27, 2012
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:23:00 -0500, Peter <>
    wrote:

    >On 12/26/2012 6:56 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:04:44 -0500, Peter <>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
    >>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
    >>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
    >>>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
    >>>>>> for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
    >>>>>> kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-DqpL7CW/0/X2/2012-12-07-09-X2.jpg
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
    >>>>> people and windows.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-nzt6NVQ/0/XL/2012-12-18-06B-XL.jpg
    >>>>
    >>>> Mentally titled "Not for him".
    >>>>
    >>> Missed your reason for the title.

    >>
    >> The man is presumably homeless or at least financially distressed.
    >> The apartment renting service is not likely to rent him an apartment.
    >>
    >>> The bright sign pulls my eye from his face.

    >>
    >> The juxtaposition of the sign and the man is what appealed to me. I
    >> could have cropped out the box, but felt that it added to the scene.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >OK. I just saw a complete lack of expression on the man.
    >Here's one of mine that didn't make the cut, for that reason.
    >
    ><http://dl.dropbox.com/u/97242118/Aquaduct_0223.jpg>


    Well, Peter, that's what makes "Street" challenging to me. Real
    people aren't always charming and photogenic. The guy in my link
    has that dead look that the down-and-out get. That's him, and that's
    what I tried to capture.

    What I try to catch in "Street" is real people, warts and all. I
    don't always look for society's lost, though. Sometimes I go for just
    ordinary people doing ordinary things. If you're not into "Street",
    you'd probably find most of my efforts uninteresting.

    This is an older shot that has a more upscale subject, but also a shot
    where the background sign and object added to the image:

    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-728LbMp/0/X2/2009-12-26-X2.jpg

    and this is one of my personal favorites from sometime back:

    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-Wrk8rwM/0/X2/2009-02-10-1-X2.jpg

    I find your shot quite interesting. The man doesn't need an strong
    expression to make it interesting. There's mild feeling of disgust,
    but that can be explained if he's a Jets fan.


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    Tony Cooper, Dec 27, 2012
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    Peter Guest

    On 12/26/2012 10:15 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    > On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:23:00 -0500, Peter <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On 12/26/2012 6:56 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:04:44 -0500, Peter <>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
    >>>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
    >>>>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
    >>>>>>> for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
    >>>>>>> kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-DqpL7CW/0/X2/2012-12-07-09-X2.jpg
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
    >>>>>> people and windows.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-nzt6NVQ/0/XL/2012-12-18-06B-XL.jpg
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Mentally titled "Not for him".
    >>>>>
    >>>> Missed your reason for the title.
    >>>
    >>> The man is presumably homeless or at least financially distressed.
    >>> The apartment renting service is not likely to rent him an apartment.
    >>>
    >>>> The bright sign pulls my eye from his face.
    >>>
    >>> The juxtaposition of the sign and the man is what appealed to me. I
    >>> could have cropped out the box, but felt that it added to the scene.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> OK. I just saw a complete lack of expression on the man.
    >> Here's one of mine that didn't make the cut, for that reason.
    >>
    >> <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/97242118/Aquaduct_0223.jpg>

    >
    > Well, Peter, that's what makes "Street" challenging to me. Real
    > people aren't always charming and photogenic. The guy in my link
    > has that dead look that the down-and-out get. That's him, and that's
    > what I tried to capture.
    >
    > What I try to catch in "Street" is real people, warts and all. I
    > don't always look for society's lost, though. Sometimes I go for just
    > ordinary people doing ordinary things. If you're not into "Street",
    > you'd probably find most of my efforts uninteresting.
    >
    > This is an older shot that has a more upscale subject, but also a shot
    > where the background sign and object added to the image:
    >
    > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-728LbMp/0/X2/2009-12-26-X2.jpg
    >
    > and this is one of my personal favorites from sometime back:
    >
    > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-Wrk8rwM/0/X2/2009-02-10-1-X2.jpg
    >
    > I find your shot quite interesting. The man doesn't need an strong
    > expression to make it interesting. There's mild feeling of disgust,
    > but that can be explained if he's a Jets fan.

    Jets fans are immune. Most Jet fans I know are ex Brooklyn Dodger fans.
    ("Wait till next year.")

    >


    Your personal favorite, tells a story. It is interesting by itself, and
    does not need a separate background story.

    Here is the background of my dropped image.
    <https://www.dropbox.com/s/mywimuvze2ztint/Aquaduct_0302.jpg>

    Here is one that almost made the cut.

    <https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i7w5owvk6ivzh3/Aquaduct_0275.jpg>

    Two of my submissions that made the cut were taken at the same place.
    While I went fjor the purpose of fulfilling the mandate, I will admit
    that I had a small net profit on the day. ;-)





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    Peter, Dec 28, 2012
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:18:45 -0500, Peter <>
    wrote:

    >On 12/26/2012 10:15 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:23:00 -0500, Peter <>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 12/26/2012 6:56 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >>>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:04:44 -0500, Peter <>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 12/19/2012 10:06 AM, tony cooper wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:05:23 -0500, tony cooper
    >>>>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:23:30 -0500, tony cooper
    >>>>>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Unless something better comes into view, I've made my three selections
    >>>>>>>> for the SI "Street" submission. This one didn't make the cut, but I
    >>>>>>>> kinda like the whimsical interplay of the subject and background:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-DqpL7CW/0/X2/2012-12-07-09-X2.jpg
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> This one didn't make the cut either. I was in a mood to capture
    >>>>>>> people and windows.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64147677/2012-12-07-12.jpg
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> This one, taken yesterday, isn't going to make the cut either:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-nzt6NVQ/0/XL/2012-12-18-06B-XL.jpg
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Mentally titled "Not for him".
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Missed your reason for the title.
    >>>>
    >>>> The man is presumably homeless or at least financially distressed.
    >>>> The apartment renting service is not likely to rent him an apartment.
    >>>>
    >>>>> The bright sign pulls my eye from his face.
    >>>>
    >>>> The juxtaposition of the sign and the man is what appealed to me. I
    >>>> could have cropped out the box, but felt that it added to the scene.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> OK. I just saw a complete lack of expression on the man.
    >>> Here's one of mine that didn't make the cut, for that reason.
    >>>
    >>> <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/97242118/Aquaduct_0223.jpg>

    >>
    >> Well, Peter, that's what makes "Street" challenging to me. Real
    >> people aren't always charming and photogenic. The guy in my link
    >> has that dead look that the down-and-out get. That's him, and that's
    >> what I tried to capture.
    >>
    >> What I try to catch in "Street" is real people, warts and all. I
    >> don't always look for society's lost, though. Sometimes I go for just
    >> ordinary people doing ordinary things. If you're not into "Street",
    >> you'd probably find most of my efforts uninteresting.
    >>
    >> This is an older shot that has a more upscale subject, but also a shot
    >> where the background sign and object added to the image:
    >>
    >> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-728LbMp/0/X2/2009-12-26-X2.jpg
    >>
    >> and this is one of my personal favorites from sometime back:
    >>
    >> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-Wrk8rwM/0/X2/2009-02-10-1-X2.jpg
    >>
    >> I find your shot quite interesting. The man doesn't need an strong
    >> expression to make it interesting. There's mild feeling of disgust,
    >> but that can be explained if he's a Jets fan.

    >Jets fans are immune. Most Jet fans I know are ex Brooklyn Dodger fans.
    >("Wait till next year.")
    >
    >>

    >
    >Your personal favorite, tells a story. It is interesting by itself, and
    >does not need a separate background story.
    >
    >Here is the background of my dropped image.
    ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/mywimuvze2ztint/Aquaduct_0302.jpg>
    >
    >Here is one that almost made the cut.
    >
    ><https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i7w5owvk6ivzh3/Aquaduct_0275.jpg>
    >
    >Two of my submissions that made the cut were taken at the same place.
    >While I went fjor the purpose of fulfilling the mandate, I will admit
    >that I had a small net profit on the day. ;-)


    I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
    cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
    flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
    and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Track-2-new/i-D8BQ4gP/0/X2/2011-11-30-01-X2.jpg
    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Races/i-3JktF85/0/X2/dog-012-X2.jpg

    But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
    a bet when at the dog track photographing.

    Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
    bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
    camera.

    My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
    find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
    itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
    have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
    during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
    April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.

    I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
    selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
    anchovies...something to be tried once.

    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Other/Candids/i-BcG4Fcf/0/X2/2009-12-31-X2.jpg






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    Tony Cooper, Dec 29, 2012
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    Peter Guest

    On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    <snip>



    > I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
    > cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
    > flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
    > and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
    > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Track-2-new/i-D8BQ4gP/0/X2/2011-11-30-01-X2.jpg
    > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Races/i-3JktF85/0/X2/dog-012-X2.jpg
    >


    Aquaduct is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife
    really enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL.
    However, they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially
    with a large lens.)

    > But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
    > a bet when at the dog track photographing.


    I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
    wouldn't even go near a dog track.

    >
    > Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
    > bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
    > camera.
    >
    > My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
    > find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
    > itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
    > have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
    > during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
    > April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
    >


    That is fun to watch.

    > I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
    > selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
    > anchovies...something to be tried once.


    Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
    In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors one
    by one, in ACR.
    I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
    effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used with
    care.

    Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
    November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
    result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.

    <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>






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    Peter, Dec 29, 2012
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0800, Savageduck
    <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

    >On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter <> said:
    >
    >> On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
    >>> cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
    >>> flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
    >>> and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
    >>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Track-2-new/i-D8BQ4gP/0/X2/2011-11-30-01-X2.jpg

    >http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Races/i-3JktF85/0/X2/dog-012-X2.jpg
    >
    >
    >Aquaduct
    >>>

    >> is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
    >> enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
    >> they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
    >> large lens.)
    >>
    >>> But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
    >>> a bet when at the dog track photographing.

    >>
    >> I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
    >> wouldn't even go near a dog track.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
    >>> bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
    >>> camera.
    >>>
    >>> My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
    >>> find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
    >>> itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
    >>> have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
    >>> during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
    >>> April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
    >>>

    >>
    >> That is fun to watch.
    >>
    >>> I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
    >>> selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
    >>> anchovies...something to be tried once.

    >>
    >> Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
    >> In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
    >> one by one, in ACR.
    >> I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
    >> effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
    >> with care.
    >>
    >> Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
    >> November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
    >> result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.
    >>
    >> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>

    >
    >That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the
    >noise introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or
    >indiscriminate high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than
    >any background could have been.
    >Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
    >ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
    >abstract treatment.


    Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
    renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.


    --
    Tony Cooper, Orlando FL
     
    Tony Cooper, Dec 29, 2012
    #12
  13. tony cooper

    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:53:27 -0800, Savageduck
    <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

    >On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
    >
    ><< Le Snip >>
    >
    >>> Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
    >>> renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.

    >>
    >> Interesting rendition, yes.
    >> Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get
    >> from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have
    >> produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese
    >> print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be
    >> spoiling damaging to the image of bird.
    >>
    >> A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture
    >> overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise
    >> introduction.
    >> Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be
    >> perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any
    >> other PP technique is not.
    >>
    >> ...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy.

    >
    >Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings.
    >This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see
    >what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to
    >get that "Japanese print" effect.
    >
    >Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer.
    >< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/Heron-comp2.jpg >


    I did not say, or mean to imply, that Peter was going for the Japanese
    print effect. I'm just saying that I like it as-is.

    It's just another instance of one person liking something that another
    person feels is not the optimal result.

    I'm not a person who generally appreciates excessively manipulated
    photos no matter what the technique employed. I'm not saying it's
    wrong to do so; only that it's not the type of thing that I
    appreciate.

    Of what Peter has submitted previously in the area of abstracts or
    manipulated photos, this one comes closest to striking a chord with
    me.


    --
    Tony Cooper, Orlando FL
     
    Tony Cooper, Dec 29, 2012
    #13
  14. tony cooper

    Peter Guest

    On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter <> said:
    >
    >> On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
    >>> cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
    >>> flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
    >>> and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
    >>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Track-2-new/i-D8BQ4gP/0/X2/2011-11-30-01-X2.jpg
    >>>

    > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Races/i-3JktF85/0/X2/dog-012-X2.jpg
    >
    >
    >
    > Aquaduct
    >>>

    >> is a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
    >> enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
    >> they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
    >> large lens.)
    >>
    >>> But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
    >>> a bet when at the dog track photographing.

    >>
    >> I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
    >> wouldn't even go near a dog track.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
    >>> bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
    >>> camera.
    >>>
    >>> My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
    >>> find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
    >>> itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
    >>> have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
    >>> during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
    >>> April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
    >>>

    >>
    >> That is fun to watch.
    >>
    >>> I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
    >>> selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
    >>> anchovies...something to be tried once.

    >>
    >> Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
    >> In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
    >> one by one, in ACR.
    >> I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
    >> effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
    >> with care.
    >>
    >> Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
    >> November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
    >> result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.
    >>
    >> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>

    >
    > That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise
    > introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate
    > high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background
    > could have been.
    > Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
    > ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
    > abstract treatment.


    I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
    when you carry it to an extreme.

    This one did well in the creative category.

    <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret>




    --
    PeterN
     
    Peter, Dec 30, 2012
    #14
  15. tony cooper

    Peter Guest

    On 12/29/2012 5:26 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:53:27 -0800, Savageduck
    > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >
    >> On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
    >>
    >> << Le Snip >>
    >>
    >>>> Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
    >>>> renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.
    >>>
    >>> Interesting rendition, yes.
    >>> Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get
    >>> from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have
    >>> produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese
    >>> print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be
    >>> spoiling damaging to the image of bird.
    >>>
    >>> A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture
    >>> overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise
    >>> introduction.
    >>> Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be
    >>> perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any
    >>> other PP technique is not.
    >>>
    >>> ...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the next guy.

    >>
    >> Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings.
    >> This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see
    >> what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to
    >> get that "Japanese print" effect.
    >>
    >> Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer.
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/Heron-comp2.jpg >

    >
    > I did not say, or mean to imply, that Peter was going for the Japanese
    > print effect. I'm just saying that I like it as-is.
    >
    > It's just another instance of one person liking something that another
    > person feels is not the optimal result.
    >
    > I'm not a person who generally appreciates excessively manipulated
    > photos no matter what the technique employed. I'm not saying it's
    > wrong to do so; only that it's not the type of thing that I
    > appreciate.
    >
    > Of what Peter has submitted previously in the area of abstracts or
    > manipulated photos, this one comes closest to striking a chord with
    > me.


    Fair comment.
    I do appreciate input. I consistently state that not everybody has the
    same taste. It would be a dull world if all of us liked the exactly the
    same things. Can you imagine Howard Johnson's lack of success, if he
    only sold vanilla. Where would Ben & Jerry be without Cherry Garcia?




    --
    PeterN
     
    Peter, Dec 30, 2012
    #15
  16. tony cooper

    Peter Guest

    On 12/29/2012 9:43 PM, Peter wrote:
    > On 12/29/2012 5:26 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:53:27 -0800, Savageduck
    >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 2012-12-29 11:44:03 -0800, Savageduck
    >>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
    >>>
    >>> << Le Snip >>
    >>>
    >>>>> Tastes do differ. I think that's one of Peter's most interesting
    >>>>> renditions. It has a Japanese print look to it.
    >>>>
    >>>> Interesting rendition, yes.
    >>>> Bear in mind I make my comments purely as an expression of what I get
    >>>> from Peter's fine capture. I just feel a different approach could have
    >>>> produced a different, and perhaps more satisfying image. A Japanese
    >>>> print effect could have been achieved without, what I perceive to be
    >>>> spoiling damaging to the image of bird.
    >>>>
    >>>> A Japanese print effect could have been achieved with paper texture
    >>>> overlays which would have introduced desired texture and no noise
    >>>> introduction.
    >>>> Introduction of texture and grain is one thing, what can easily be
    >>>> perceived as introduced noise from a over sharpening or over use of any
    >>>> other PP technique is not.
    >>>>
    >>>> ...and I am just as guilty of producing the over cooked image as the
    >>>> next guy.
    >>>
    >>> Not peter's capture, but a progression through one of my noodlings.
    >>> This result is not normally what I work towards, but here you can see
    >>> what I was thinking of when I spoke of using paper texture overlays to
    >>> get that "Japanese print" effect.
    >>>
    >>> Again, it is all in the eye of the viewer.
    >>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/Heron-comp2.jpg >

    >>
    >> I did not say, or mean to imply, that Peter was going for the Japanese
    >> print effect. I'm just saying that I like it as-is.
    >>
    >> It's just another instance of one person liking something that another
    >> person feels is not the optimal result.
    >>
    >> I'm not a person who generally appreciates excessively manipulated
    >> photos no matter what the technique employed. I'm not saying it's
    >> wrong to do so; only that it's not the type of thing that I
    >> appreciate.
    >>
    >> Of what Peter has submitted previously in the area of abstracts or
    >> manipulated photos, this one comes closest to striking a chord with
    >> me.

    >
    > Fair comment.
    > I do appreciate input. I consistently state that not everybody has the
    > same taste. It would be a dull world if all of us liked the exactly the
    > same things. Can you imagine Howard Johnson's lack of success, if he
    > only sold vanilla. Where would Ben & Jerry be without Cherry Garcia?
    >
    >

    OK!
    Here's the background layer for you guys to play with. I am in FL and do
    not have access to the original RAW file. It would be nice to see
    different interpretations.

    <https://www.dropbox.com/s/f9jske5y9nzhxw3/dancing%20heron%20basic.jpg>


    --
    PeterN
     
    Peter, Dec 30, 2012
    #16
  17. tony cooper

    Peter Guest

    On 12/29/2012 9:37 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2012-12-29 18:33:27 -0800, Peter <> said:
    >
    >> On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter <> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >>>> <snip>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
    >>>>> cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
    >>>>> flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
    >>>>> and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
    >>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Track-2-new/i-D8BQ4gP/0/X2/2011-11-30-01-X2.jpg
    >>>>>

    >
    > http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Races/i-3JktF85/0/X2/dog-012-X2.jpg
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Aquaduct
    >
    > is
    >>>>>
    >>>> a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
    >>>> enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
    >>>> they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
    >>>> large lens.)
    >>>>
    >>>>> But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
    >>>>> a bet when at the dog track photographing.
    >>>>
    >>>> I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
    >>>> wouldn't even go near a dog track.
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
    >>>>> bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
    >>>>> camera.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
    >>>>> find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
    >>>>> itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
    >>>>> have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
    >>>>> during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
    >>>>> April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> That is fun to watch.
    >>>>
    >>>>> I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
    >>>>> selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
    >>>>> anchovies...something to be tried once.
    >>>>
    >>>> Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
    >>>> In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
    >>>> one by one, in ACR.
    >>>> I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
    >>>> effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
    >>>> with care.
    >>>>
    >>>> Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
    >>>> November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
    >>>> result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.
    >>>>
    >>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>
    >>>
    >>> That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise
    >>> introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate
    >>> high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background
    >>> could have been.
    >>> Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
    >>> ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
    >>> abstract treatment.

    >>
    >> I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
    >> when you carry it to an extreme.
    >>
    >> This one did well in the creative category.
    >>
    >> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret>

    >
    > Now that I like!
    >
    > BTW: There is no jpeg extension on that file. It was simple enough to
    > add it but it initially appears to be a file of no "type".
    >
    >


    thanks,
    I just changed the name on the site. It that better?


    --
    PeterN
     
    Peter, Dec 30, 2012
    #17
  18. On 30-Dec-12 00:11, Savagedick wrote:
    > On 2012-12-29 19:06:59 -0800, Peter <> said:
    >
    >> On 12/29/2012 9:37 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2012-12-29 18:33:27 -0800, Peter <> said:

    > << Le Snip >>
    >
    >>>> I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
    >>>> when you carry it to an extreme.
    >>>>
    >>>> This one did well in the creative category.
    >>>>
    >>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret>
    >>>
    >>> Now that I like!
    >>>
    >>> BTW: There is no jpeg extension on that file. It was simple enough to
    >>> add it but it initially appears to be a file of no "type".
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> thanks,
    >> I just changed the name on the site. It that better?

    >
    > Not quite. Now you don't have a constant link, so the old URL leads to
    > nothing.


    Like all your posts.
     
    Kwincay Ercolinowitz, Dec 30, 2012
    #18
  19. On 30-Dec-12 00:25, Savagedick wrote:
    > BTW: I got rid of the leaves on the right using content aware fill.


    Too bad we can't get rid of Mexicans that way. Dump 'em right back in
    the Yucatan.
     
    Kwincay Ercolinowitz, Dec 30, 2012
    #19
  20. tony cooper

    Peter Guest

    On 12/29/2012 11:09 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
    > On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:06:59 -0500, Peter <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> On 12/29/2012 9:37 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2012-12-29 18:33:27 -0800, Peter <> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On 12/29/2012 10:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>> On 2012-12-29 04:46:36 -0800, Peter <> said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On 12/29/2012 12:17 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
    >>>>>> <snip>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I envy you for your nearness to Aqueduct. That kind of place offers a
    >>>>>>> cornucopia of subjects for the candid photographer. We don't have a
    >>>>>>> flat or harness racing venue here in this area. We have a dog track,
    >>>>>>> and I sometimes visit it for some candid opportunities like these:
    >>>>>>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Track-2-new/i-D8BQ4gP/0/X2/2011-11-30-01-X2.jpg
    >>>>>>>
    >>>
    >>> http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Animals/Dog-Races/i-3JktF85/0/X2/dog-012-X2.jpg
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Aquaduct
    >>>
    >>> is
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>> a racino. i.e. They have a casino near the track. My wife really
    >>>>>> enjoys playing the slots. There are several racinos in FL. However,
    >>>>>> they are sticky a bout cameras in the casino part. (Especially with a
    >>>>>> large lens.)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> But, I find the actual racing to be uninteresting. I've never placed
    >>>>>>> a bet when at the dog track photographing.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I feel so strongly about the way greyhounds are mistreated, that I
    >>>>>> wouldn't even go near a dog track.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Horse racing, though, is something that I do enjoy watching and I do
    >>>>>>> bet. I find it exciting enough that I might forget to even raise my
    >>>>>>> camera.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> My favorite sport in racing is the steeplechase, but that's hard to
    >>>>>>> find anywhere in the US. The last time we were in England our
    >>>>>>> itinerary was partially based on race days at Market Rasen. I would
    >>>>>>> have preferred to go to Aintree, but there were no fixtures there
    >>>>>>> during our stay. Next time, if there is a next time, it will be in
    >>>>>>> April so the Grand National can be on our itinerary.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> That is fun to watch.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I do like the subject matter and composition of your shot, but
    >>>>>>> selective coloring is not my thing. I've done it, but it's like
    >>>>>>> anchovies...something to be tried once.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Actually, that was not selective color. It was selective desaturation.
    >>>>>> In keeping with the mandate, I simply desaturated most of the colors
    >>>>>> one by one, in ACR.
    >>>>>> I do not use selective color because I can. I do it when I feel the
    >>>>>> effect enhances the image. Like HDR, it is simply a tool to be used
    >>>>>> with care.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Here is one selectively colored image, that won print of the month, in
    >>>>>> November. I desaturated the backgrond because it was distracting. The
    >>>>>> result needed a tad more, so I did some mile selective coloring.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/oax4997ey0zv9dy/dancing%20heron.jpg>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That might have won print of the month in November, but I find the noise
    >>>>> introduced by what I believe to be over sharpening or indiscriminate
    >>>>> high pass filter sharpening, far more distracting than any background
    >>>>> could have been.
    >>>>> Just my taste I guess, but to me it looks like a potentially great shot
    >>>>> ruined by over processing. That is a bird which doesn't deserve the
    >>>>> abstract treatment.
    >>>>
    >>>> I admit to my tendency to sometimes oversharpen. Here's what happens
    >>>> when you carry it to an extreme.
    >>>>
    >>>> This one did well in the creative category.
    >>>>
    >>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3en1ju6l7yepm/screaming%20cattle%20egret>
    >>>
    >>> Now that I like!
    >>>
    >>> BTW: There is no jpeg extension on that file. It was simple enough to
    >>> add it but it initially appears to be a file of no "type".
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> thanks,
    >> I just changed the name on the site. It that better?

    >
    > Still 'nothing here'.
    >


    How about now?
    <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ckhnsowd3rm4wkr/screaming%20cattle%20egret.jpg>


    --
    PeterN
     
    Peter, Dec 30, 2012
    #20
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