Standards NZ to canvass local views on Open XML

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Jonathan Walker, Aug 24, 2007.


    "" Microsoft New Zealand managing director Helen Robinson used her opening
    remarks at the Tech Ed conference in Auckland last week to ask developers
    to help “encourage†Standards New Zealand to support the file format.

    Robinson said Open XML is about “backwards compatibilityâ€,
    [Grant] Thomas says Standards New Zealand has received a number of letters
    on the issue and “had a lot of contact from some parties†including
    Microsoft and a consulting firm working for the software giant. Microsoft
    New Zealand director of innovation Brett Roberts identified that firm as
    Wellington-based Guinness Gallagher.
    Roberts says Open XML is about providing users with a choice of formats
    that can be used and built upon to drive further development and
    innovation. He says the difference between Open XML and Open Document
    Format is that Microsoft’s format has been engineered to the nth degree to
    allow access to legacy files, right back to the first version of Word,
    with integrity. ""

    Note how much Micro$oft is pushing this even here in NZ; and note how
    they're now calling it "Open XML" instead of "Office Open XML".

    Note also how they're pushing for a standard for this when their stated
    goal is to enable Micro$oft Office to be able to represent in XML all
    earlier versions of Micro$oft Office files.

    It doesn't need to be a standard in order to achieve that.

    But if it wants to enable *interoperability*, then it needs to enable
    Micro$oft Office to read and write the already ISO approved ODF file

    ODF underwent a 6 year approval process. Micro$oft wants OOXML to have
    only a 6 month "fast track" approval with minimal changes, if any made to
    the proposed standard.

    Only problem is... where is the credibility of the ISO if it approves a
    standard that itself does not conform to ISO standards?

    Jonathan Walker

    "The IT industry landscape is littered with the dead
    dreams of people who once trusted Microsoft."
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 24, 2007
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    impossible Guest

    "Jonathan Walker" <> wrote in message

    > Only problem is... where is the credibility of the ISO if it approves a
    > standard that itself does not conform to ISO standards?

    Silly question. For each of the following, ask yourself: What ISO standard
    does it conform to?

    ISO 1-ISO 999
    ISO 3 Preferred numbers
    ISO 7 Pipe threads where pressure-tight joints are made on the threads
    ISO 9 Information and documentation - Transliteration of Cyrillic characters
    into Roman characters - Slavic and non-Slavic languages
    ISO 16:1975 Acoustics - Standard tuning frequency (Standard musical pitch)
    ISO 31 Quantities and units
    ISO 216 paper sizes, e.g. the A4 paper size
    ISO 226 Phon based on Fletcher-Munson curves
    ISO 226:2003 Phon based on newer Equal-loudness contours
    ISO 233:1984 Transliteration of Arabic characters into Roman characters
    ISO 233-2:1993 Transliteration of Arabic characters into Roman characters -
    Part 2: Arabic language - Simplified transliteration
    ISO 259:1984 Documentation - Transliteration of Hebrew characters into Roman
    ISO 259-2:1994 Transliteration of Hebrew characters into Roman characters -
    Part 2: Simplified transliteration
    ISO 261 ISO general-purpose metric screw threads - General plan.
    ISO 262 ISO general-purpose metric screw threads - Selected sizes for
    screws, bolts, and nuts.
    ISO 639 Codes for the representation of names of languages
    ISO 639-1 Codes for the representation of names of languages - Part 1:
    Alpha-2 code
    ISO 639-2 Codes for the representation of names of languages - Part 2:
    Alpha-3 code
    ISO 639-3 Codes for the representation of names of languages - Part 3:
    Alpha-3 code for comprehensive coverage of languages
    ISO/IEC 646 internationalized 7 bit ASCII variants
    ISO 657 Hot-rolled steel sections
    ISO 690 bibliographic references
    ISO 732 Photography - 120-size and 220-size films - Dimensions
    ISO 838 Standard for punching filing holes into paper
    ISO 843:1997 Conversion of Greek characters into Roman characters
    ISO 999 Guidelines for the content, organization, and presentation of

    ISO 1000-ISO 9999
    ISO 1000 SI units and recommendations for the use of their multiples and of
    certain other units
    ISO 1007 135 film format
    ISO/IEC 1539 Fortran programming language
    ISO 1629 Establishes a system of terms and nomenclature for polymers
    ISO/IEC 2022 Information technology: Character code structure and extension
    ISO 2108 International standard book numbering (ISBN)
    ISO 2145 Numbering of divisions and subdivisions in written documents
    ISO 2171 Cereals and milled cereal products - Determination of total ash
    ISO 2281 Water-resistant watches
    ISO 2709 Format for information exchange (e.g. MARC)
    ISO 3029 126 film format
    ISO 3082 Iron ores - Sampling and sample preparation procedures
    ISO 3103 Method of brewing tea for the purpose of sensory tests
    ISO 3166 codes for countries and subdivisions
    ISO 3166-1 codes for country and dependent area names, first published in
    ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 two-letter country codes
    ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 three-letter country codes
    ISO 3166-1 numeric
    ISO 3166-2 principal subdivisions of a country or dependent area.
    ISO 3166-3 superseded ISO 3166-1 codes, first published in 1998.
    ISO 3297 International standard serial number (ISSN)
    ISO 3506 Mechanical properties of corrosion-resistant stainless steel
    ISO 3602 Romanization of Japanese
    ISO 3632 Quality of Saffron
    ISO 3864 Safety labels
    ISO 3901 International Standard Recording Code (ISRC)
    ISO 3977 Design and procurement standards for gas turbine system
    ISO 4157 Subdivision of construction works
    ISO 4217 Currency codes
    ISO/IEC 4873:1991 8-bit code for information interchange
    ISO 5167 Measurement of fluid flow by means of pressure differential devices
    inserted in circular cross-section conduits running full
    ISO 5167-1 Part 1: General principles and requirements
    ISO 5167-2 Part 2: Orifice plates
    ISO 5167-3 Part 3: Nozzles and Venturi nozzles
    ISO 5167-4 Part 4: Venturi tubes
    ISO 5218 Representation of human sexes
    ISO 5775 Bicycle tyres and rims
    ISO 5800 Photographic Film speed
    ISO 5964 Guidelines for the Establishment and Development of Multilingual
    ISO 6166 structure of an International Securities Identifying Number (ISIN)
    ISO 6344 Coated abrasives - Grain size analysis
    ISO 6344-1 Part 1: Grain size distribution test
    ISO 6344-2 Part 2: Determination of grain size distribution of macrogrits
    P12 to P220
    ISO 6344-3 Part 3: Determination of grain size distribution of microgrits
    P240 to P2500
    ISO 6429 Information technology: Control functions for coded character sets
    ISO 6438 Documentation - African coded character set for bibliographic
    information interchange
    ISO 6709 Standard representation of latitude, longitude and altitude for
    geographic point locations
    ISO 6946 Building components and building elements - Thermal resistance and
    thermal transmittance - Calculation method
    ISO 7001 Public Information Symbols
    ISO 7098 Romanization of Chinese
    ISO 7372 Trade data interchange
    ISO/IEC 7501-1:1997 Identification cards - Machine readable travel documents
    (Part 1: Machine readable passport; Part 2: Machine readable visa; Part 3:
    Machine readable official travel documents)
    ISO 7736 Car radio installation space
    ISO 7810 Standards for financial cards (credit and debit cards)
    ISO 7811 Recording technique on identification cards
    ISO 7816 Smartcards
    ISO/IEC 7942 Graphical Kernel System
    ISO 8090 Cycles - Terminology
    ISO 8373 Manipulating Industrial Robots - Vocabulary
    ISO 8555 Environmental management systems.
    ISO 8583 Financial transaction card originated messages - Interchange
    message specifications
    ISO 8583-1 Part 1: Messages, data elements and code values
    ISO 8583-2 Part 2: Application and registration procedures for Institution
    Identification Codes (IIC)
    ISO 8583-3 Part 3: Maintenance procedures for messages, data elements and
    code values
    ISO 8601 Date and time representation
    ISO/IEC 8613 Open Document Architecture
    ISO/IEC 8632 Computer Graphics Metafile
    ISO 8651 Graphical Kernel System language bindings
    ISO/IEC 8652: Information technology - Programming languages - Ada
    ISO 8805 Graphical Kernel System for Three Dimensions and the C language
    bindings are ISO 8806.
    ISO 8806-4 Graphical Kernel System for Three Dimensions, C language bindings
    ISO 8807: Language Of Temporal Ordering Specification (LOTOS)
    ISO/IEC 8824 Abstract Syntax Notation One (ASN.1)
    ISO/IEC 8825 ASN.1 Encoding Rules
    ISO 8859 8-bit coded character sets
    ISO 8859-1 Latin-1
    ISO 8859-2 Latin-2
    ISO 8859-3 Latin-3 or "South European"
    ISO 8859-4 Latin-4 or "North European"
    ISO 8859-5 Cyrillic
    ISO 8859-6 Arabic
    ISO 8859-7 Greek
    ISO 8859-8 Hebrew
    ISO 8859-9 Latin-5
    ISO 8859-10 Latin-6, rearrangement of 8859-4
    ISO 8859-11 Thai
    ISO 8859-13 Latin-7 or "Baltic Rim"
    ISO 8859-14 Latin-8 or "Celtic"
    ISO 8859-15 Latin-9, revision of 8859-1
    ISO 8859-16 Latin-10 South-Eastern European languages and others
    ISO 8879 Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML)
    ISO 9000 Quality management system in production environments
    ISO 9001 Quality management
    ISO 9069 SGML support facilities - SGML Document Interchange Format (SDIF)
    ISO/IEC 9075 SQL
    ISO 9126 Software quality model
    ISO 9141 Network interconnection of computers in a vehicle
    ISO 9141-2 OBD-II standard, aka 9141 CARB standard
    ISO 9241 Ergonomic requirements for office work with visual display
    ISO 9362 Bank Identifier Code or BIC system
    ISO 9407 Shoe sizes
    ISO/IEC 9579 Remote database access for SQL
    ISO 9592, ISO 9593 PHIGS (Programmer's Hierarchical Interactive Graphics
    ISO 9660 CD-ROM file system
    ISO 9869 Thermal insulation - Building elements - In-situ measurements of
    thermal resistance and thermal transmittance
    ISO 9899 C programming language
    ISO/IEC 9945 Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX)
    ISO 9984 Conversion of Georgian characters into Roman characters
    ISO 9985 Conversion of Armenian characters into Roman characters
    ISO 9999 Technical aids for persons with disabilities. Classification and

    ISO 10000-ISO 19999
    ISO 10006 Quality management - Guidelines to quality in project management
    ISO 10007 Quality management - Guidelines for configuration management
    ISO/IEC 10021 Message Oriented Text Interchange Systems (MOTIS)
    ISO/IEC 10026 Open Systems Interconnection
    ISO 10077 Thermal performance of windows, doors and shutters - Calculation
    of thermal transmittance
    ISO/IEC 10089 Information technology; 130 mm rewritable optical disk
    cartridge for information interchange - 650 MB per cartridge
    ISO 10161 Inter-Library Loan Protocols for Virtual Document Exchange or VDX
    ISO 10160 Inter-Library Loans Protocols that define terminology used in
    Virtual Document Exchange
    ISO/IEC 10179:1996 Document Style Semantics and Specification Language
    ISO 10211 Thermal bridges in building construction - Heat flows and surface
    temperatures - Detailed calculations
    ISO 10279 BASIC programming language
    ISO 10303 Industrial automation systems and integration - Product data
    representation and exchange. Known as STEP, STandard for the Exchange of
    Product data
    ISO 10383 Codes for exchanges and market identification (MIC)
    ISO 10487 Connections for passenger car stereos
    ISO 10646 Universal Character Set (equivalent to Unicode's character set)
    ISO 10664 Hexalobular internal driving feature for bolts and screws - Torx
    screw head
    ISO 10957 Information and documentation - International Standard Music
    Number (ISMN)
    ISO 10962 Financial Instruments
    ISO 11064 Ergonomic Design of Control Centres
    ISO 11062-1:2000 Part 1: Principles for the design of control centres
    ISO 11062-2:2000 Part 2: Principles for the arrangement of control suites
    ISO 11062-3:1999 Part 3: Control room layout ISO 11064-3:1999/Cor 1:2002
    ISO 11062-3:2004 Part 4: Layout and dimensions of workstations
    ISO 11062-3:2005 Part 6: Environmental requirements for control centres
    ISO/IEC 11172 MPEG-1
    ISO 11170:2003 Hydraulic fluid power - Filter elements - Sequence of tests
    for verifying performance characteristics
    ISO/IEC 11179 Information Technology -- Metadata Registries (MDR)
    ISO/IEC 11179-1:2004 Part 1: Framework
    ISO/IEC 11179-2:2005 Part 2: Classification
    ISO/IEC 11179-3:2003 Part 3: Registry metamodel and basic attributes
    ISO/IEC 11179-4:2004 Part 4: Formulation of data definitions
    ISO/IEC 11179-5:2005 Part 5: Naming and identification principles
    ISO/IEC 11179-6:2005 Part 6: Registration
    ISO 11180 Postal addressing
    ISO/IEC 11404:1996 Language-independent datatypes (See also General purpose
    ISO 11521 Replaced by ISO 15022
    ISO/IEC 11578:1996 Information technology -- Open Systems Interconnection --
    Remote procedure call (RPC)
    ISO 11783 aka. IsoBus - J1939-based communication protocol for the
    agriculture industry.
    ISO/IEC 11801 Information technology - Generic cabling for customer premises
    ISO 12006 Building construction. Organization of information about
    construction works.
    ISO 13239 High-level data link control (HDLC) procedures
    ISO/IEC 13249 SQL multimedia and application packages
    ISO/IEC 13250 Topic map
    ISO 13346 Volume and file structure of write-once and rewritable media,
    which UDF is based on.
    ISO 13370 Thermal performance of buildings - Heat transfer via the ground -
    Calculation methods
    ISO 13406 Ergonomic requirements for work with visual displays based on flat
    ISO 13406-1:1999 Part 1: Introduction
    ISO 13406-2:1002 Part 2: Ergonomic requirements for flat panel displays
    ISO 13407:1999 Human-centred design processes for interactive systems
    ISO 13450 110 film format
    ISO 13485:2003 Comprehensive management system for the design and
    manufacture of medical devices.
    ISO 13490 Information technology: Volume and file structure of read-only and
    write-once compact disk media for information interchange
    ISO 13567/1 to 3 Technical product documentation; Organization and naming of
    layers for Computer-aided design (CAD)
    ISO/IEC 13568:2002 Information Technology - Z Formal Specification
    Notation - Syntax, Type System and Semantics
    ISO 13616 Bank Account Numbers (IBAN)
    ISO 13849-1 Safety of machinery, Safety related parts of control systems,
    General principles for design
    ISO/IEC 13818 MPEG-2
    ISO 14000 Environmental Management Standards in production environments
    ISO 14001 Environmental Management
    ISO 14443 contactless smart ? cards aka RFID
    ISO/IEC 14496 MPEG-4
    ISO 14644 Cleanrooms and associated controlled environments
    ISO-14644-1 Classification of Air Cleanliness
    ISO-14644-2 Testing and Monitoring to prove Compliance
    ISO-14644-3 Metrology & Test Methods
    ISO-14644-4 Design, Construction and Start-up
    ISO-14644-5 Operations
    ISO-14644-6 Vocabulary
    ISO-14644-7 Separative Devices
    ISO-14644-8 Classification of Airborne Molecular Contamination
    ISO-14644-9 Clean Surfaces
    ISO 14651 Information technology: International string ordering and
    ISO 14698
    ISO-14698-1 Bio-contamination Control - General Principles
    ISO-14698-2 Evaluation & Interpretation of Bio-contamination Data
    ISO-14698-3 Measuring the efficiency of processes of cleaning & disinfection
    ISO 14750 Information technology - Open Distributed Processing - Interface
    Definition Language
    ISO/IEC 14755 Input methods to enter unicode characters from ISO/IEC 10646
    ISO 14915 Software ergonomics for multimedia user interfaces
    ISO 14915-1:2002 Part 1: Design principles and framework
    ISO 14915-2:2003 Part 2: Multimedia navigation and control
    ISO 14915-3:2002 Part 3: Media selection and combination
    ISO/IEC 14977 Extended Backus-Naur Form (EBNF)
    ISO/IEC 14882 Programming Languages - C++
    ISO 15000 Electronic business eXtensible Markup Language ebXML
    ISO 15000-1:2004 Part 1: Collaboration-protocol profile and agreement
    specification (ebCPP)
    ISO 15000-2:2004 Part 2: Message service specification (ebMS)
    ISO 15000-3:2004 Part 3: Registry information model specification (ebRIM)
    ISO 15000-4:2004 Part 4: Registry services specification (ebRS)
    ISO 15000-5:2005 Part 5: ebXML Core Components Technical Specification,
    Version 2.01(ebCCTS)
    ISO 15022 Securities: Scheme for messages
    ISO 15099 Thermal performance of windows, doors and shading devices -
    Detailed calculations
    ISO 15189 Medical laboratories - Particular requirements for quality and
    ISO 15288 Systems engineering - System life cycle processes
    ISO/IEC 15291: Information technology - Programming languages - Ada Semantic
    Interface Specification (ASIS)
    ISO/IEC 15408 Common Criteria - Evaluation Criteria for Information
    Technology Security
    ISO/IEC 15434 2D Data Matrix barcode
    ISO/IEC 15444 JPEG 2000
    ISO/IEC 15445:2000 ISO HTML, a subset of Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) 4
    ISO/IEC 15504 Framework for the assessment of software processes, also known
    as SPICE (Software Process Improvement and Capability Determination).
    ISO 15614-13:2002 Specification and qualification of welding procedures for
    metallic materials-Welding procedure test-
    ISO 15686 Service life planning for constructive works in 10 parts
    ISO 15693 Transponders
    ISO 15706 International Standard Audiovisual Number
    ISO 15707 International Standard Musical Work Code
    ISO 15836 The Dublin Core metadata element set
    ISO 15897 Standard for the registration of new POSIX locales and POSIX
    ISO 15924 Codes for the representation of names of scripts
    ISO 15930 Portable Document Format PDF
    ISO/IEC 15948:2003. Portable Network Graphics PNG
    ISO 16701:2003 Ergonomics of human-system interaction, Guidance on
    accessibility for human-computer interfaces
    ISO/IEC 16262. ECMAScript
    ISO 16982:2002 Ergonomics of human-system interaction, Usability methods
    supporting human-centred design
    ISO/IEC 17025 General requirements for competence of test and calibration
    ISO/IEC 17799 Information technology: Code of practice for information
    security management
    ISO/IEC 17894 Ships and marine technology - Computer applications - General
    principles for development and use of PES in marine applications
    ISO 18000-7 Wireless standard for active RFID (Radio Frequency
    ISO/IEC 18004: QR Code Standardization
    ISO/IEC 18009: Information technology - Programming languages - Ada:
    Conformity assessment of a language processor (ACATS)
    ISO 18152:2003 Ergonomics of human-system interaction, Specification for the
    process assessment of human-system issues
    ISO 18185: Wireless standard for electronic seals using active RFID (Radio
    Frequency Identification)
    ISO 18245 standard concerning the assignment of Merchant Category Codes
    (MCC) in retail financial services
    ISO 18529:2000 Ergonomics of human-system interaction, Human-centred
    lifecycle process descriptions (available in English only)
    ISO 18629 standardized Process Specification Language (PSL).
    ISO 19005 PDF
    ISO 19011 standard providing guidelines for quality and environmental
    management systems auditing
    ISO 19092-1 Financial Services - Security - Part 1: Security framework
    ISO 19092-2 Financial Services - Security - Part 2: Message syntax and
    cryptographic requirements
    ISO 19101 Geographic Information: Reference model
    ISO 19105 Geographic Information: Conformance and testing
    ISO 19107 Geographic Information: Spatial schema
    ISO 19108 Geographic Information: Temporal schema
    ISO 19109 Geographic Information: Rules for Application Schema
    ISO 19110 Geographic Information: Feature cataloguing methodology
    ISO 19111 Geographic Information: Spatial referencing by coordinates
    ISO 19111 Geographic Information: Spatial referencing by identifier
    ISO 19113 Geographic Information: Quality principles
    ISO 19114 Geographic Information: Quality evaluation procedures
    ISO 19115 Geographic Information: Metadata
    ISO 19123 Geographic Information: Coverage schema
    ISO 19128 Geographic Information: Web Map Service
    ISO 19136 Geographic Information: Geography Markup Language
    ISO/IEC 19501 Unified Modeling Language (UML)
    ISO/IEC 19502 Meta-Object Facility (MOF)
    ISO/IEC 19503 XML Metadata Interchange (XMI)
    ISO/IEC 19757 Document Schema Definition Languages (DSDL)
    ISO/IEC FDIC 19757-2 Regular-grammar-based validation RELAX NG
    ISO/IEC 19757-3 Rule-based validation - Schematron
    ISO/IEC 19790 Security requirements for cryptographic modules (see also FIPS

    ISO 20000-ISO 29999
    ISO/IEC 20000:2005 IT Service Management System (based on BS15000)
    ISO 20022 Financial Services - universal financial industry message scheme
    ISO/IEC TR 20943 Information technology - Procedures for achieving metadata
    registry content consistency
    ISO/IEC TR 20943-1:2003 Part 1: Data elements
    ISO/IEC TR 20943-3:2004 Part 3: Value domains
    ISO 22000 Food safety management systems -- Requirements for any
    organization in the food chain
    ISO/IEC TR 22250 Regular Language description for XML - (RELAX)
    ISO/IEC TR 22250-1:2002 RELAX Core
    ISO/IEC 23270:2003 C# Programming Language
    ISO/IEC 23360 Linux Standard Base (LSB) core specification 3.1 (in
    publication as of 2005-12)
    ISO/IEC 23360-1 -- Part 1: Generic specification
    ISO/IEC 23360-2 -- Part 2: Specification for IA32 architecture
    ISO/IEC 23360-3 -- Part 3: Specification for IA64 architecture
    ISO/IEC 23360-4 -- Part 4: Specification for AMD64 architecture
    ISO/IEC 23360-5 -- Part 5: Specification for PPC32 architecture
    ISO/IEC 23360-6 -- Part 6: Specification for PPC64 architecture
    ISO/IEC 23360-7 -- Part 7: Specification for S390 architecture
    ISO/IEC 23360-8 -- Part 8: Specification for S390X architecture
    ISO/IEC DIS 25961 Recommended Practice for Architectural Description of
    Software-Intensive Systems. See IEEE 1471
    ISO26000 Guideline about Social Responsibility also called ISO SR
    ISO/IEC 26300: OpenDocument Format (.odf)
    ISO/IEC 27001 Information technology -- Security techniques -- Information
    security management systems -- Requirements
    impossible, Aug 24, 2007
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  3. On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:17:03 +0000, impossible wrote:

    > ISO 3082 Iron ores - Sampling and sample preparation procedures

    Eh what?

    Jonathan Walker

    "The IT industry landscape is littered with the dead
    dreams of people who once trusted Microsoft."
    Jonathan Walker, Aug 24, 2007
  4. In message <>, Jonathan Walker wrote:

    > "" [Brett Roberts] says the difference between Open XML and Open Document
    > Format is that Microsoft’s format has been engineered to the nth degree to
    > allow access to legacy files, right back to the first version of Word,
    > with integrity. ""

    And yet in their much-trumpeted "engineering to the nth degree", they forgot
    to actually include specifications of those features for "allowing access
    to legacy files" -- cryptic codes
    like "autoSpaceLikeWord95", "footnoteLayoutLikeWW8" or "lineWrapLikeWord6"
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Aug 24, 2007
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