Speaking of Morons ...

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Sens Fan Happy In OH, Mar 28, 2006.

  1. Since this group loves to hear about idiots in the PC-field that think
    they know it all, here's one to pass along.

    Today the "networking and PC specialist" that the sister company I work
    for hires in from time to time to build them new PCs and help with PC
    issues came up with a few good ones I just had to share. I happened to
    be in the office trying to help solve an issue with a co-worker's very
    slow-running PC and to remove unwanted/unneeded startup programs when
    he steps in and says, "What the hell is THAT running in the background
    for?" He points to a program that I typically install on all PCs here
    that use a lot of memory-hogging programs such as CorelDraw, Photoshop,
    etc. The program is RamCleaner. But here's the best part.

    "You don't need that stupid program. Windows already has one running
    inside of it?"

    "Okay, smartguy ... where?"

    "Here, inside the Task Manager on the Performance tab."

    My reply? "Hmmm, then obviously you have no idea what a RAM cleaning
    program does, do you? Nor do you have any idea what that "performance"
    tab there really has in it, do you?" At this point I could see the
    question marks bubbling up from his brain as if to say, "Duh, I'm too
    stupid to admit I'm wrong and don't know everything." With that I
    laughed and left the room. This is the same person that swears by
    Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
    on a system." He also has never heard of Avast! Someone who "claims"
    to be able to build PCs and build them to work has never heard of
    Avast? NOr AVG? Nor Kaspersky?

    I think that pretty much says everything ;-) What a joke!

    Hope you all get a good laugh off this!
     
    Sens Fan Happy In OH, Mar 28, 2006
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    Leythos Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > This is the same person that swears by
    > Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
    > on a system."


    We have 1500 servers/workstations running Symantec Corp Edition and not
    a single one of them has been compromised, ever, and we've had more than
    1000 nodes for more than 5 years.

    At the same time, I've seen AVG systems compromised every couple months.

    One other thing, I would never install "RamCleaner" on any production
    machine.

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    Leythos, Mar 28, 2006
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    Oldus Fartus Guest

    Sens Fan Happy In OH wrote:
    > Since this group loves to hear about idiots in the PC-field that think
    > they know it all, here's one to pass along.
    >
    > Today the "networking and PC specialist" that the sister company I work
    > for hires in from time to time to build them new PCs and help with PC
    > issues came up with a few good ones I just had to share. I happened to
    > be in the office trying to help solve an issue with a co-worker's very
    > slow-running PC and to remove unwanted/unneeded startup programs when
    > he steps in and says, "What the hell is THAT running in the background
    > for?" He points to a program that I typically install on all PCs here
    > that use a lot of memory-hogging programs such as CorelDraw, Photoshop,
    > etc. The program is RamCleaner. But here's the best part.
    >
    > "You don't need that stupid program. Windows already has one running
    > inside of it?"
    >
    > "Okay, smartguy ... where?"
    >
    > "Here, inside the Task Manager on the Performance tab."
    >
    > My reply? "Hmmm, then obviously you have no idea what a RAM cleaning
    > program does, do you? Nor do you have any idea what that "performance"
    > tab there really has in it, do you?" At this point I could see the
    > question marks bubbling up from his brain as if to say, "Duh, I'm too
    > stupid to admit I'm wrong and don't know everything." With that I
    > laughed and left the room. This is the same person that swears by
    > Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
    > on a system." He also has never heard of Avast! Someone who "claims"
    > to be able to build PCs and build them to work has never heard of
    > Avast? NOr AVG? Nor Kaspersky?
    >
    > I think that pretty much says everything ;-) What a joke!
    >
    > Hope you all get a good laugh off this!
    >


    Yep, certainly did. Find it hard to believe anybody would recommend,
    let alone use snake oil programs.

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    Oldus Fartus
     
    Oldus Fartus, Mar 28, 2006
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  4. Sens Fan Happy In OH

    old man Guest

    As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition - not
    just in flags and whistles
    Perhaps its because Corp needs more user imput to configure, rather than
    being all singing home edition, which then becomes somewhat a resource hog.
    I ran Various Norton AV and NIS editions without problems for many years,
    until NIS2005 - I then gave up and switched to F-Secure, which seems OK so
    far.



    "Leythos" <> wrote in message
    news:bjcWf.64171$...
    > In article <>,
    > says...
    > > This is the same person that swears by
    > > Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
    > > on a system."

    >
    > We have 1500 servers/workstations running Symantec Corp Edition and not
    > a single one of them has been compromised, ever, and we've had more than
    > 1000 nodes for more than 5 years.
    >
    > At the same time, I've seen AVG systems compromised every couple months.
    >
    > One other thing, I would never install "RamCleaner" on any production
    > machine.
    >
    > --
    >
    >
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    old man, Mar 28, 2006
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    Gordon Guest

    old man wrote:

    > As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition -


    I've got the best AV program in the WHOLE UNIVERSE - it's called
    Linux.......

    --
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    Interim Systems and Management Accounting
    www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
     
    Gordon, Mar 28, 2006
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    Leythos Guest

    In article <NadWf.23383$>,
    e says...
    > As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition - not
    > just in flags and whistles
    > Perhaps its because Corp needs more user imput to configure, rather than
    > being all singing home edition, which then becomes somewhat a resource hog.
    > I ran Various Norton AV and NIS editions without problems for many years,
    > until NIS2005 - I then gave up and switched to F-Secure, which seems OK so
    > far.


    Actually, the Corp edition doesn't require as much effort to install as
    the home versions, insert CD, click install Antivirus, select
    "unmanaged" (if this was a home system), and then it's done the same as
    the Norton product.

    I agree that the Norton line has become bloated, and 2006 seems to be
    more of a pig than any earlier version, but I think they are trying to
    protect people from their own ignorance.

    The problem with the Corp edition is that you have to purchase 10
    licenses to get into it. They sell a Small Business Edition version, but
    it expires every year, and you can get 5 licenses, where the Corp
    edition doesn't expire every year.


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    Leythos, Mar 28, 2006
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    Leythos Guest

    In article <>,
    lid says...
    > old man wrote:
    >
    > > As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition -

    >
    > I've got the best AV program in the WHOLE UNIVERSE - it's called
    > Linux.......


    Except that there are a TON of compromised Linux machines online all the
    time.

    The more home users start using it, the more of the compromised Linux
    machines we'll see.

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    Leythos, Mar 28, 2006
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    Gordon Guest

    Leythos wrote:


    >
    > Except that there are a TON of compromised Linux machines online all the
    > time.


    I'm sorry? Where did you get THAT useless piece of misinformation from? The
    only Linux viruses that are in the wild (all three of them I think) are NOT
    critical!

    Seeing as your ISP, your Bank, and a very large number of top institutions
    and sites (including Google) use Linux servers, (and a Linux server OS is
    just what I have on my desktop without all the gui bells and whistles and
    applications) don't you think you're talking out of your backside?

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    Gordon, Mar 28, 2006
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  9. Sens Fan Happy In OH

    Leythos Guest

    In article <>,
    lid says...
    > Leythos wrote:
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Except that there are a TON of compromised Linux machines online all the
    > > time.

    >
    > I'm sorry? Where did you get THAT useless piece of misinformation from? The
    > only Linux viruses that are in the wild (all three of them I think) are NOT
    > critical!
    >
    > Seeing as your ISP, your Bank, and a very large number of top institutions
    > and sites (including Google) use Linux servers, (and a Linux server OS is
    > just what I have on my desktop without all the gui bells and whistles and
    > applications) don't you think you're talking out of your backside?


    Did you see where I wrote "Compromised" and not Virus?

    Compromised doesn't mean virus, it means that an exploit has been found
    in one of the modules/applications, and that it's being misused by
    unauthorized connections. You can't possibly tell me that you've missed
    the exploits over the last few months.

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    Leythos, Mar 28, 2006
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    Gordon Guest

    Leythos wrote:


    >
    > Did you see where I wrote "Compromised" and not Virus?
    >
    > Compromised doesn't mean virus, it means that an exploit has been found
    > in one of the modules/applications, and that it's being misused by
    > unauthorized connections.


    And that is false as well! Yes there ARE exploits that COULD be run on Linux
    machines, but as a) most users don't run as root (unlike Windows XP where
    most users DO run as root - aka admin) and b) that the exploits can only be
    "exploited" by actually having physical access to the machine, your
    contention is a non starter.

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    Interim Systems and Management Accounting
    www.gbpcomputing.co.uk
     
    Gordon, Mar 28, 2006
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  11. And just what do you consider a "snake oil" program?
     
    Sens Fan Happy In OH, Mar 28, 2006
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  12. Sens Fan Happy In OH

    Dan Evans Guest

    "Leythos" <> wrote in message
    news:bjcWf.64171$...
    > In article <>,
    > says...
    >> This is the same person that swears by
    >> Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
    >> on a system."

    >
    > We have 1500 servers/workstations running Symantec Corp Edition and not
    > a single one of them has been compromised, ever, and we've had more than
    > 1000 nodes for more than 5 years.


    That's because the Corporate Edition works.

    Dan





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    Dan Evans Guest

    "Gordon" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > old man wrote:
    >
    >> As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition -

    >
    > I've got the best AV program in the WHOLE UNIVERSE - it's called
    > Linux.......


    Morris Worm.

    Dan





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    Seatoller Guest

    On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:45:25 +0100, Gordon wrote:

    > Leythos wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >> Did you see where I wrote "Compromised" and not Virus?
    >>
    >> Compromised doesn't mean virus, it means that an exploit has been found
    >> in one of the modules/applications, and that it's being misused by
    >> unauthorized connections.

    >
    > And that is false as well! Yes there ARE exploits that COULD be run on
    > Linux machines, but as a) most users don't run as root (unlike Windows XP
    > where most users DO run as root - aka admin) and b) that the exploits can
    > only be "exploited" by actually having physical access to the machine,
    > your contention is a non starter.


    Exactly so. Another windows user who's no idea how linux works, & just
    spouts what he /thinks/ he knows..

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    Seatoller, Mar 28, 2006
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    Vanguard Guest

    "Sens Fan Happy In OH" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > ... The program is RamCleaner. ...


    RamCleaner? I take it that utility pushes idle applications from real
    memory into virtual memory. Oh, gee, now you have lots of free real
    memory. In other words, you have lots of UNUSED memory so you've wasted
    it. It doesn't matter if you use up all your real memory. It matters
    if you use applications that you run concurrently that need MORE memory
    which means you need to add real memory to your system for the load you
    are putting onto it.

    Free memory is UNUSED memory. I've seen many times where an idiot
    thinks they need lots of free memory to make their system faster but the
    memory they are using isn't any faster than before, and they've pushed
    some apps into the slower pagefile. If you buy 2GB of memory and all
    you ever use is 700MB then you wasted a gigabyte of it because it never
    gets used. Perhaps you wanted *reserve* memory for a few applications
    that are huge memory hogs but you certainly don't want to be
    unnecessarily pushing them out of fast real memory and into the pagefile
    that uses super-slow virtual memory (i.e., the hard disk).

    If you have multiple applications that are constantly fighting for
    memory (i.e., each is a resource hog) then maybe you should be looking
    at adding more memory to make them all happy, or ponder why you need
    them all running concurrently. Also, all this memory management won't
    help make your critical applications run any faster and instead may make
    them run slower. Perhaps you need to look into task priority management
    so your critical apps get more CPU cycles while a less critical apps
    gets less priority (and really does run in the background instead of
    parallel at the same priority). Priority management [on the
    workstations] has always sucked in Windows. Regardless of how much
    memory you have (or how much is free/unused/reserved), a CPU banged at
    100% usage by one normal-priority task will result in sucking away CPU
    cycles needed by another normal-priority job.

    There are programs, like Priority Master, to manage priority based on
    application; i.e., you can configure priority for your applications.
    However, when I last tested it (3 years ago), it only managed executable
    files that got loaded (.exe, .com, .cmd, etc.) whereas I wanted it also
    manage processes started from other files, like .icd (for a game where
    it uses its .exe to start the game but the copy-protected portion is
    loaded from an .icd file). I'm sure there are other similar priority
    management tools. Microsoft has their Windows System Resource Manager
    (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/techinfo/overview/wsrmfastfacts.mspx)
    but unfortunately it only on server versions of Windows although
    managing priority of processes is quite handy on workstations, too. You
    can set the priority using Task Manager but that's not automatic yet
    it's been sufficient for me for those times when I need to lower a
    normal-priority task so other processes would run faster. When I'm
    using regedit to search the registry, it really isn't a high priority or
    even a normal priority job, so I lower its priority so other
    applications that I'm using are more responsive while waiting for the
    registry search to complete. More memory is good. Shoving processes
    out of real memory and into virtual memory (pagefile) is stupid. But
    neither eliminates the bottleneck at the CPU, especially when everything
    loaded usually defaults to normal priority unless you change it.

    With changing priority of concurrent processes (to lower the less
    critical ones and/or raise the more important ones) and by adding more
    memory, I certainly don't need to "free up" real memory so that it sits
    there wasted (i.e., unused). I also don't need to slowing down my
    running applications to reserve some real memory for applications that I
    have yet to load.

    I suspect the OP's "info" post was really just a disguised spam. Claims
    that Benutec makes about their RamCleaner:

    "Increase The Speed of Your Computer!"
    Sorry, the software is not an overclock utility. It doesn't affect the
    computer's speed at all. Any processes that it pushes out of real
    memory and into the pagefile will run SLOWER, not faster.

    "free up unused RAM"
    If it was unused, it was already free.

    "ensures that you always have enough memory to run your favorite
    applications"
    So the real solution was really to get more real memory. Their solution
    pushes processes off into virtual memory so you sacrifice one
    application for another. Priority management works better for that.

    "Prioritize Windows System Functions"
    This is a single option checkbox. You can do the same with a registry
    hack described by Microsoft to keep more of the Exec loaded in memory
    rather than letting it swap out to the pagefile.

    "Processes Manager"
    A duplicate of Task Manager's Processes tab panel.
     
    Vanguard, Mar 28, 2006
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    Gordon Guest

    Dan Evans wrote:


    >
    > Morris Worm.


    Umm *1988* !!!!!!!!

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    Gordon, Mar 28, 2006
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    Seatoller Guest

    On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:46:35 +0200, Dan Evans wrote:

    >
    > "Gordon" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> old man wrote:
    >>
    >>> As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition -

    >>
    >> I've got the best AV program in the WHOLE UNIVERSE - it's called
    >> Linux.......

    >
    > Morris Worm.


    That worked by exploiting known vulnerabilities in Unix, sendmail IIRC, in
    1988. Even the most /recent/ linux virus did /nothing/ & was regarded as
    low risk. Now tell us what damage SoBig, Nimbda, MyDoom etc. did to
    Windows.
    Even trying to run such viruses as Klez, MyDoom, Sobig & SCO
    etc, in WINE, they won't do anything. As an example:

    Klez runs: won't install a payload, not able to propagate, didn't affect
    linux

    MyDoom: won't run, won't install a payload, not able to propagate, didn't
    affect linux

    SoBig: runs, won't install a payload, not able to propagate, didn't affect
    linux

    SCO: runs, installs payload, not able to propagate, didn't affect
    linux

    And so on...and so on.

    Windows also /loves/ script viruses, which wouldn't survive in a linux
    environment.

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    Seatoller, Mar 28, 2006
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    Ian Field Guest

    "Leythos" <> wrote in message
    news:bjcWf.64171$...
    > In article <>,
    > says...
    >> This is the same person that swears by
    >> Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
    >> on a system."

    >
    > We have 1500 servers/workstations running Symantec Corp Edition and not
    > a single one of them has been compromised, ever, and we've had more than
    > 1000 nodes for more than 5 years.
    >
    > At the same time, I've seen AVG systems compromised every couple months.
    >
    > One other thing, I would never install "RamCleaner" on any production
    > machine.
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > remove 999 in order to email me


    Way back when I first got online I ran a search for a suitable antivirus
    application, it just so happens that at that particular time hackers had
    brought down the NAV website so I couldn't view the page - so I continued
    searching and stumbled upon AVG, this has given very little trouble ever
    since.
     
    Ian Field, Mar 28, 2006
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  19. Okay now wait. Why is it that everyone in here bashes Norton Antivirus
    all to hell and recommends Kaspersky, AVG or Avast or a dozen others
    and has NOTHING nice to say about McAfee or Norton. Yet ... Symantec
    is Norton and Norton is Symantec! The same stupid company makes both.
    So why the big difference? Aren't all viruses just as deadly ... home
    or office? A virus doesn't care about whether the PC it's infecting is
    a home PC or an office PC ... so why all the Norton bashing and yet the
    Symantec praising?

    Sometimes you guys don't make a damn bit of sense!
     
    Sens Fan Happy In OH, Mar 28, 2006
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    mamamia Guest

    Sens Fan Happy In OH wrote:
    > Okay now wait. Why is it that everyone in here bashes Norton Antivirus
    > all to hell and recommends Kaspersky, AVG or Avast or a dozen others
    > and has NOTHING nice to say about McAfee or Norton. Yet ... Symantec
    > is Norton and Norton is Symantec! The same stupid company makes both.
    > So why the big difference? Aren't all viruses just as deadly ... home
    > or office? A virus doesn't care about whether the PC it's infecting is
    > a home PC or an office PC ... so why all the Norton bashing and yet the
    > Symantec praising?
    >
    > Sometimes you guys don't make a damn bit of sense!
    >

    Let me address your sense of justice then.

    The ones that suck:
    - Norton
    - Symantec (little difference from Norton, but slightly better)
    - McAfee

    The ones that are better:
    - Most other AV software.
     
    mamamia, Mar 28, 2006
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