Spam from website

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by me, Apr 16, 2006.

  1. me

    me Guest

    i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,which is to be expected
    as this comes from having my email address on my website.
    I want to know if i change the links so they are not clickable,how would
    that affect the amount of spam i get?

    Would it :
    a) keep coming at the same rate because my email addy is already out there
    being bounced around between spammers causing it to be used endlessly
    b) keep increasing for the same reason as a)
    c) stop coming because the harvesting bots cant gather the address from my
    site
    d) none of the above !

    I'm not sure if removing the clickable link would be enough,or if i would
    actually have to munge it.

    I think one answer i am going to get here is to change the email address :)
    which i have thought about.

    I have a lot of pages on my site with my email address on it,been there for
    10 years,and for most of that time,only got a bit of spam.Lately though its
    getting a bit ridiculous.I have OE set up pretty well,most of it goes to the
    deleted items folder,but some legit ones slip though sometimes.
    If i can help it by going through all the site's pages killing those
    links,i will,but it'll be a pain in the arse.



    cheers
     
    me, Apr 16, 2006
    #1
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  2. me wrote:

    > i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,which is to be
    > expected as this comes from having my email address on my website. I want
    > to know if i change the links so they are not clickable,how would that
    > affect the amount of spam i get?
    >
    > Would it :
    > a) keep coming at the same rate because my email addy is already out there
    > being bounced around between spammers causing it to be used endlessly b)
    > keep increasing for the same reason as a) c) stop coming because the
    > harvesting bots cant gather the address from my site
    > d) none of the above !
    >
    > I'm not sure if removing the clickable link would be enough,or if i would
    > actually have to munge it.


    I'd think they're harvesting anything that fits string@string, and if
    that's true then link or nonlink doesn't matter. The best would be to
    take it off your pages completly by using a mail form. But that would be
    a lot of work for an old site that has "lots of pages" of the address
    hanging out promiscuously in full view. That leaves encoding the address
    (but some say that harvestors are hip to that trick) or munging.

    If you just munge it, you can do that in one fell swoop with a global
    search/replace utility. Aim it at your local mirror of the site and tell
    it to recursively replace with
    . Then upload those pages. I dunno what your
    site looks like, but you'll only be uploading pages, not images, so that
    probalby won't involve as much bandwidth as you might think.


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    Blinky the Shark, Apr 16, 2006
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  3. me

    me Guest

    "Blinky the Shark" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    >
    > me wrote:
    >
    >> i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,which is to be
    >> expected as this comes from having my email address on my website. I want
    >> to know if i change the links so they are not clickable,how would that
    >> affect the amount of spam i get?
    >>
    >> Would it :
    >> a) keep coming at the same rate because my email addy is already out
    >> there
    >> being bounced around between spammers causing it to be used endlessly b)
    >> keep increasing for the same reason as a) c) stop coming because the
    >> harvesting bots cant gather the address from my site
    >> d) none of the above !
    >>
    >> I'm not sure if removing the clickable link would be enough,or if i would
    >> actually have to munge it.



    >
    > I'd think they're harvesting anything that fits string@string, and if
    > that's true then link or nonlink doesn't matter.




    yeah I was thinking that too,but wasnt sure

    >The best would be to
    > take it off your pages completly by using a mail form.
    > But that would be
    > a lot of work for an old site that has "lots of pages" of the address
    > hanging out promiscuously in full view. That leaves encoding the address
    > (but some say that harvestors are hip to that trick) or munging.
    >
    > If you just munge it, you can do that in one fell swoop with a global
    > search/replace utility.



    I just downloaded and tried one,but it only replaces the visible text,rather
    than the actual link.As in your example right below this ,it changes the
    text to and thats fine but when i click on it or
    hover the mouse over the link,it still comes up as
    Do the harvesters go by the text visible on the screen,or the actual link
    that it goes to ? Or both ?


    > Aim it at your local mirror of the site and tell
    > it to recursively replace with
    > . Then upload those pages. I dunno what your
    > site looks like, but you'll only be uploading pages, not images, so that
    > probalby won't involve as much bandwidth as you might think.
    >


    yeah it would just be the .htm files,any pics etc would just stay where they
    are,so would not take long to upload a batch replacement.
    thanks for the reply !




    >






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    me, Apr 16, 2006
    #3
  4. me

    Ponder Guest

    Hiya me.

    In <news:p> Blinky the
    Shark wrote:

    > If you just munge it, you can do that in one fell swoop with a global
    > search/replace utility. Aim it at your local mirror of the site and tell
    > it to recursively replace with
    > . Then upload those pages. I dunno what your
    > site looks like, but you'll only be uploading pages, not images, so that
    > probalby won't involve as much bandwidth as you might think.


    Another way is to replace your email address with a contact form on your
    web site. You can basically mark that address as "spam infected" now
    though.

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    Ponder, Apr 16, 2006
    #4
  5. me

    me Guest

    "Ponder" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hiya me.
    >
    > In <news:p> Blinky the
    > Shark wrote:
    >
    >> If you just munge it, you can do that in one fell swoop with a global
    >> search/replace utility. Aim it at your local mirror of the site and tell
    >> it to recursively replace with
    >> . Then upload those pages. I dunno what your
    >> site looks like, but you'll only be uploading pages, not images, so that
    >> probalby won't involve as much bandwidth as you might think.

    >
    > Another way is to replace your email address with a contact form on your
    > web site. You can basically mark that address as "spam infected" now
    > though.
    >
    > --


    Hi,yeah if i can find a way of 'mass-adding' something like that it would be
    good.I have loads of pages to add it to.I guess i could leave it off most of
    them and just do a few of them,but i like to have a contact on each page
    within the site.I'm going to look for one now,let me know if you know of any
    that are good to use
    cheers
     
    me, Apr 16, 2006
    #5
  6. me

    Mike Easter Guest

    me wrote:
    > i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,which is to be
    > expected as this comes from having my email address on my website.


    naked mailto on website has been demonstrated to be the #1 cause of
    spam.

    > I want to know if i change the links so they are not clickable,how
    > would that affect the amount of spam i get?


    The problem is that your current spam is from being on spamlists. Those
    spamlists were developed by many methods. If you completely eliminated
    the exposure of your addy from the website it would not remove that addy
    from spamlists.

    > Would it :
    > a) keep coming at the same rate because my email addy is already out
    > there being bounced around between spammers causing it to be used
    > endlessly


    yes

    > b) keep increasing for the same reason as a)


    yes

    > c) stop coming because the harvesting bots cant gather the address
    > from my site


    only stop increasing by the future contributions from the harvesting

    > d) none of the above !
    >
    > I'm not sure if removing the clickable link would be enough,or if i
    > would actually have to munge it.
    >
    > I think one answer i am going to get here is to change the email
    > address :) which i have thought about.


    Changing would have a great effect on the current crop of spam -- it
    would also affect your current correspondents.

    > I have a lot of pages on my site with my email address on it,been
    > there for 10 years,and for most of that time,only got a bit of
    > spam.


    You can go for a long time with an address without much spam until it
    starts circulating to various lists.

    > Lately though its getting a bit ridiculous.I have OE set up
    > pretty well,most of it goes to the deleted items folder,but some
    > legit ones slip though sometimes.


    OE is quite weak about filtering spam. It is good for whitelisting and
    it is good for ruling items which aren't addressed to you. If you have
    much spam problem you need a real filter, such as SpamPal.

    > If i can help it by going through
    > all the site's pages killing those links,i will,but it'll be a pain
    > in the arse.


    There is a site which has a page which has a section on all of the
    various strategies for hiding and eliminating naked mailto.

    http://spamlinks.net/prevent-spambots-hiding.htm Hiding from Spambots
    You could also create a button to: "Click to Email"

    Generalised Hiders and Descriptions
    Javascript Email Encoders
    HTML Character Entities
    CSS Encoding
    Passive Web-based Scripts
    Web-based Contact Pages
    Other Methods
    Manual Address Munging



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    Mike Easter
     
    Mike Easter, Apr 16, 2006
    #6
  7. me

    Ponder Guest

    Hiya me.

    In <news:pCn0g.716$_c1.704@fed1read05> you wrote:

    > Hi,yeah if i can find a way of 'mass-adding' something like that it would be
    > good.I have loads of pages to add it to.I guess i could leave it off most of
    > them and just do a few of them,but i like to have a contact on each page
    > within the site.I'm going to look for one now,let me know if you know of any
    > that are good to use


    You only need the contact once on your site really. Take a look at mine
    for an example. Nothing of interest there but just check the contact page
    ;)

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    Ponder, Apr 16, 2006
    #7
  8. me wrote:

    >
    > "Blinky the Shark" <> wrote in message
    > news:p...
    >>
    >> me wrote:
    >>
    >>> i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,which is to be
    >>> expected as this comes from having my email address on my website. I
    >>> want to know if i change the links so they are not clickable,how would
    >>> that affect the amount of spam i get?
    >>>
    >>> Would it :
    >>> a) keep coming at the same rate because my email addy is already out
    >>> there
    >>> being bounced around between spammers causing it to be used endlessly
    >>> b) keep increasing for the same reason as a) c) stop coming because
    >>> the harvesting bots cant gather the address from my site d) none of the
    >>> above !
    >>>
    >>> I'm not sure if removing the clickable link would be enough,or if i
    >>> would actually have to munge it.

    >
    >> I'd think they're harvesting anything that fits string@string, and if
    >> that's true then link or nonlink doesn't matter.

    >
    > yeah I was thinking that too,but wasnt sure
    >
    > >The best would be to
    >> take it off your pages completly by using a mail form. But that would be
    >> a lot of work for an old site that has "lots of pages" of the address
    >> hanging out promiscuously in full view. That leaves encoding the
    >> address (but some say that harvestors are hip to that trick) or munging.
    >>
    >> If you just munge it, you can do that in one fell swoop with a global
    >> search/replace utility.

    >
    > I just downloaded and tried one,but it only replaces the visible
    > text,rather than the actual link.As in your example right below this ,it


    Then you're not using it correctly. It's not going to replace the link if
    you don't tell it to.


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    Blinky the Shark, Apr 16, 2006
    #8
  9. Blinky the Shark wrote:

    > me wrote:
    >
    >
    >> "Blinky the Shark" <> wrote in message
    >> news:p...
    >>>
    >>> me wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,which is to be
    >>>> expected as this comes from having my email address on my website. I
    >>>> want to know if i change the links so they are not clickable,how would
    >>>> that affect the amount of spam i get?
    >>>>
    >>>> Would it :
    >>>> a) keep coming at the same rate because my email addy is already out
    >>>> there
    >>>> being bounced around between spammers causing it to be used endlessly
    >>>> b) keep increasing for the same reason as a) c) stop coming because
    >>>> the harvesting bots cant gather the address from my site d) none of
    >>>> the above !
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm not sure if removing the clickable link would be enough,or if i
    >>>> would actually have to munge it.

    >>
    >>> I'd think they're harvesting anything that fits string@string, and if
    >>> that's true then link or nonlink doesn't matter.

    >>
    >> yeah I was thinking that too,but wasnt sure
    >>
    >> >The best would be to
    >>> take it off your pages completly by using a mail form. But that would
    >>> be a lot of work for an old site that has "lots of pages" of the
    >>> address hanging out promiscuously in full view. That leaves encoding
    >>> the address (but some say that harvestors are hip to that trick) or
    >>> munging.
    >>>
    >>> If you just munge it, you can do that in one fell swoop with a global
    >>> search/replace utility.

    >>
    >> I just downloaded and tried one,but it only replaces the visible
    >> text,rather than the actual link.As in your example right below this ,it

    >
    > Then you're not using it correctly. It's not going to replace the link if
    > you don't tell it to.


    Ignore. It's almost 5 AM. :)

    Reduce the number of places you have your contact information and replace
    them with a form. That way NO address is revealed.

    Look at the contact link on my Google Groupers page, in the next-to-last
    section: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html


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    Blinky the Shark, Apr 16, 2006
    #9
  10. me wrote:

    > i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,


    One point I don't see mentioned so far in the thread: spam comes from
    posting email addresses in Usenet.

    You are obviously munging your address here, but you are using a domain
    name (here.com) owned by WORLD PUBLICATIONS LLC of Winter Park, Florida.

    I surely think that company does not appreciate the extra spam its mail
    servers are receiving because you used it here in Usenet.

    Call yourself or .net or .org (reserved for the purpose)
    and not someone's real domain name.

    --
    -bts
    -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Apr 16, 2006
    #10
  11. me

    me Guest

    "Ponder" <> wrote in message
    news:yyo89fsxpelg$...
    > Hiya me.
    >
    > In <news:pCn0g.716$_c1.704@fed1read05> you wrote:
    >
    >> Hi,yeah if i can find a way of 'mass-adding' something like that it would
    >> be
    >> good.I have loads of pages to add it to.I guess i could leave it off most
    >> of
    >> them and just do a few of them,but i like to have a contact on each page
    >> within the site.I'm going to look for one now,let me know if you know of
    >> any
    >> that are good to use

    >
    > You only need the contact once on your site really. Take a look at mine
    > for an example. Nothing of interest there but just check the contact page
    > ;)
    >


    Yes i see what you mean,just have it once,and link to it from the other
    pages. Thanks,I think i am going to get this sorted now.





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    me, Apr 16, 2006
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  12. me

    me Guest

    "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote in message
    news:eek:jr0g.28304$...
    > me wrote:
    >
    >> i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,

    >
    > One point I don't see mentioned so far in the thread: spam comes from
    > posting email addresses in Usenet.
    >
    > You are obviously munging your address here, but you are using a domain
    > name (here.com) owned by WORLD PUBLICATIONS LLC of Winter Park, Florida.
    >
    > I surely think that company does not appreciate the extra spam its mail
    > servers are receiving because you used it here in Usenet.
    >
    > Call yourself or .net or .org (reserved for the purpose)
    > and not someone's real domain name.
    >


    Good point,I never even thought of that.Didnt occur that someone might
    actually have that as a domain !
    I just changed it so that should help.





    > --
    > -bts
    > -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    me, Apr 16, 2006
    #12
  13. me wrote:

    > "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote
    >> me wrote:
    >>
    >>> i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,

    >>
    >> One point I don't see mentioned so far in the thread: spam comes
    >> from posting email addresses in Usenet.
    >>
    >> You are obviously munging your address here, but you are using a
    >> domain name (here.com) owned by WORLD PUBLICATIONS LLC of Winter
    >> Park, Florida.
    >>
    >> I surely think that company does not appreciate the extra spam its
    >> mail servers are receiving because you used it here in Usenet.
    >>
    >> Call yourself or .net or .org (reserved for the
    >> purpose) and not someone's real domain name.

    >
    > Good point,I never even thought of that.Didnt occur that someone might
    > actually have that as a domain !
    > I just changed it so that should help.


    Not really. h.e.r.e.com is a subdomain of e.com which is a valid domain.

    Just use "example.com" and be done with it.

    The most-abused domains that I see in Usenet is spam.com and nospam.com,
    both legitimate registered domains.

    --
    -bts
    -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Apr 16, 2006
    #13
  14. me

    me Guest

    "Mike Easter" <> wrote in message
    news:444217c5$0$16324$...
    > me wrote:
    >> i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,which is to be
    >> expected as this comes from having my email address on my website.

    >
    > naked mailto on website has been demonstrated to be the #1 cause of
    > spam.
    >
    >> I want to know if i change the links so they are not clickable,how
    >> would that affect the amount of spam i get?

    >
    > The problem is that your current spam is from being on spamlists. Those
    > spamlists were developed by many methods. If you completely eliminated
    > the exposure of your addy from the website it would not remove that addy
    > from spamlists.
    >
    >> Would it :
    >> a) keep coming at the same rate because my email addy is already out
    >> there being bounced around between spammers causing it to be used
    >> endlessly

    >
    > yes
    >
    >> b) keep increasing for the same reason as a)

    >
    > yes
    >
    >> c) stop coming because the harvesting bots cant gather the address
    >> from my site

    >
    > only stop increasing by the future contributions from the harvesting
    >
    >> d) none of the above !
    >>
    >> I'm not sure if removing the clickable link would be enough,or if i
    >> would actually have to munge it.
    >>
    >> I think one answer i am going to get here is to change the email
    >> address :) which i have thought about.

    >
    > Changing would have a great effect on the current crop of spam -- it
    > would also affect your current correspondents.
    >
    >> I have a lot of pages on my site with my email address on it,been
    >> there for 10 years,and for most of that time,only got a bit of
    >> spam.

    >
    > You can go for a long time with an address without much spam until it
    > starts circulating to various lists.
    >
    >> Lately though its getting a bit ridiculous.I have OE set up
    >> pretty well,most of it goes to the deleted items folder,but some
    >> legit ones slip though sometimes.

    >
    > OE is quite weak about filtering spam. It is good for whitelisting and
    > it is good for ruling items which aren't addressed to you. If you have
    > much spam problem you need a real filter, such as SpamPal.
    >
    >> If i can help it by going through
    >> all the site's pages killing those links,i will,but it'll be a pain
    >> in the arse.

    >
    > There is a site which has a page which has a section on all of the
    > various strategies for hiding and eliminating naked mailto.
    >
    > http://spamlinks.net/prevent-spambots-hiding.htm Hiding from Spambots
    > You could also create a button to: "Click to Email"
    >
    > Generalised Hiders and Descriptions
    > Javascript Email Encoders
    > HTML Character Entities
    > CSS Encoding
    > Passive Web-based Scripts
    > Web-based Contact Pages
    > Other Methods
    > Manual Address Munging
    >
    >



    I could use the email filter but then still some legit ones will slip
    through probably,unless it somehow knows that it didnt come from a genuine
    source. Do they know the difference?





    >
    > --
    > Mike Easter
    >
     
    me, Apr 16, 2006
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  15. me

    me Guest

    "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote in message
    news:Xdv0g.13062$...
    > me wrote:
    >
    >> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote
    >>> me wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> i get a fair old bit of spam,on the increase lately,
    >>>
    >>> One point I don't see mentioned so far in the thread: spam comes
    >>> from posting email addresses in Usenet.
    >>>
    >>> You are obviously munging your address here, but you are using a
    >>> domain name (here.com) owned by WORLD PUBLICATIONS LLC of Winter
    >>> Park, Florida.
    >>>
    >>> I surely think that company does not appreciate the extra spam its
    >>> mail servers are receiving because you used it here in Usenet.
    >>>
    >>> Call yourself or .net or .org (reserved for the
    >>> purpose) and not someone's real domain name.

    >>
    >> Good point,I never even thought of that.Didnt occur that someone might
    >> actually have that as a domain !
    >> I just changed it so that should help.

    >
    > Not really. h.e.r.e.com is a subdomain of e.com which is a valid domain.



    I tried entering it in the address line and it could not be found



    >
    > Just use "example.com" and be done with it.
    >
    > The most-abused domains that I see in Usenet is spam.com and nospam.com,
    > both legitimate registered domains.
    >
    > --
    > -bts
    > -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    me, Apr 16, 2006
    #15
  16. me wrote:

    > "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote
    >> Not really. h.e.r.e.com is a subdomain of e.com which is a valid domain.

    >
    > I tried entering it in the address line and it could not be found


    The location bar of your web browser?

    That doesn't mean it is not a valid domain. All single-, two-, and
    three-letter dotcom domains are registered somewhere.

    Even if there is no web site, there can still be a mail server for e.com
    and your use could (probably will, now that it is harvested) perpetrate
    spam upon them. Knowing this, why would you want to continue that?

    --
    -bts
    -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Apr 17, 2006
    #16
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