Spam from Actrix?

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Jerry, Jan 28, 2005.

  1. Jerry

    Jerry Guest

    I've recently recieved a couple of e-mails from the Wellington Street
    Race Supporter's group. as I have never expressed an interest in the
    group, I don't want them mailing my private e-mail address, and so sent
    a complaint to abuse@Actrix. The mail follows:

    Street Race Supporters Update
    Subject: Street Race Supporters Update
    From: <>
    Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:39:40 +1300
    To: Jerry xxxxx 12 08 2004 <>
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    Hello there,
    Wellington City Council has announced in yesterday's Dominion Post that
    Wellingtonians may get a call to ask whether they support the V8 Super
    car race in Wellington. If you do get a call from WCC, we would be
    grateful if you would voice your support. If you haven't already emailed
    the council with support now is a perfect time for you and your friends
    to do so.
    Kind Regards
    Wellington Street Race Supporters' Group

    If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please reply
    and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.

    This email has been sent with an unregistered version of MaxBulk Mailer
    MaxBulk Mailer is a new easy-to-use mail merge software for Macintosh


    The response I got from Actrix is:

    As it is, this e-mail is not spam, you are receiving this because you or
    someone that knows your e-mail address has visited
    www.wellingtonstreetrace.co.nz and entered your details into the sign up
    for an e-mail list. Looking at the name they are sending to I would
    assume this was done on 12 August 2004.

    The e-mail includes clear and explicit instructions to have yourself
    removed from this list, I would suggest following them:

    > If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please reply

    and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.


    Regards,

    Actrix Abuse Team


    I don't ever respond to spammers, you just get put on more spam lists.
    they never got anything from my e-mail address and I believe the ISP
    should deal with the spammers. It seems to me that Actrix encourages
    spamming as long as there is an opt-out message. What is the opinion of
    the group?

    Jerry
    Jerry, Jan 28, 2005
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  2. Jerry

    Bret Guest

    On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:08:07 +1300, Jerry <> wrote:

    <Snip>

    >The e-mail includes clear and explicit instructions to have yourself
    >removed from this list, I would suggest following them:
    >
    > > If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please reply

    >and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.
    >
    >
    >Regards,
    >
    >Actrix Abuse Team
    >
    >
    >I don't ever respond to spammers, you just get put on more spam lists.
    >they never got anything from my e-mail address and I believe the ISP
    >should deal with the spammers. It seems to me that Actrix encourages
    >spamming as long as there is an opt-out message. What is the opinion of
    >the group?
    >


    What's the chance someone else has entered your details?
    Are they using spam software for a legitimate(?) use.I'd try the
    remove, they might honour it.
    Bret, Jan 28, 2005
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  3. Jerry

    Dorado Guest

    Bret wrote:
    > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:08:07 +1300, Jerry <> wrote:
    >
    > <Snip>
    >
    >> The e-mail includes clear and explicit instructions to have yourself
    >> removed from this list, I would suggest following them:
    >>
    >>> If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please
    >>> reply

    >> and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.
    >>
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >>
    >> Actrix Abuse Team
    >>
    >>
    >> I don't ever respond to spammers, you just get put on more spam
    >> lists. they never got anything from my e-mail address and I believe
    >> the ISP should deal with the spammers. It seems to me that Actrix
    >> encourages spamming as long as there is an opt-out message. What is
    >> the opinion of the group?
    >>

    >
    > What's the chance someone else has entered your details?
    > Are they using spam software for a legitimate(?) use.I'd try the
    > remove, they might honour it.


    Doesn't matter who enters your details.. if they don't validate the email
    address (like most online signup lists do) then they are infact spamming.
    The point is any mass email you get, which you didn't explicitly sign up
    for, is spam and should be treated as such
    Dorado, Jan 28, 2005
    #3
  4. Jerry

    thing Guest

    Dorado wrote:
    > Bret wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:08:07 +1300, Jerry <> wrote:
    >>
    >><Snip>
    >>
    >>>The e-mail includes clear and explicit instructions to have yourself
    >>>removed from this list, I would suggest following them:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please
    >>>>reply
    >>>
    >>>and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Regards,
    >>>
    >>>Actrix Abuse Team
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>I don't ever respond to spammers, you just get put on more spam
    >>>lists. they never got anything from my e-mail address and I believe
    >>>the ISP should deal with the spammers. It seems to me that Actrix
    >>>encourages spamming as long as there is an opt-out message. What is
    >>>the opinion of the group?
    >>>

    >>
    >>What's the chance someone else has entered your details?
    >>Are they using spam software for a legitimate(?) use.I'd try the
    >>remove, they might honour it.

    >
    >
    > Doesn't matter who enters your details.. if they don't validate the email
    > address (like most online signup lists do) then they are infact spamming.
    > The point is any mass email you get, which you didn't explicitly sign up
    > for, is spam and should be treated as such
    >
    >


    not impressed with actrix's reply, its spam pure and simple..........

    No one replies to the opt out message that is a well known no no. It
    suggests you got a hell desk moron and not a real IT person.

    actrix has copped out, probably receiving an income off them, I will
    monitor our system for actrix mail if I see such stuff passing through
    from them I will have a go at them.

    regards

    Thing
    thing, Jan 28, 2005
    #4
  5. Suddenly, Jerry sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
    > As it is, this e-mail is not spam, you are receiving this because you or
    > someone that knows your e-mail address has visited
    > www.wellingtonstreetrace.co.nz and entered your details into the sign up
    > for an e-mail list. Looking at the name they are sending to I would
    > assume this was done on 12 August 2004.
    >
    > The e-mail includes clear and explicit instructions to have yourself
    > removed from this list, I would suggest following them:
    >
    > > If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please reply

    > and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.



    Clue not detected.

    I gave up on Actrix a long time ago.

    --
    aaronl at consultant dot com
    For every expert, there is an equal and
    opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke
    Aaron Lawrence, Jan 29, 2005
    #5
  6. Jerry

    Enkidu Guest

    Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    > In article <>, Aaron Lawrence <> wrote:
    >
    >>Suddenly, Jerry sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
    >>
    >>>As it is, this e-mail is not spam, you are receiving this because you or
    >>>someone that knows your e-mail address has visited
    >>>www.wellingtonstreetrace.co.nz and entered your details into the sign up
    >>>for an e-mail list. Looking at the name they are sending to I would
    >>>assume this was done on 12 August 2004.
    >>>
    >>>The e-mail includes clear and explicit instructions to have yourself
    >>>removed from this list, I would suggest following them:
    >>>
    >>> > If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please reply
    >>>and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.

    >>
    >>Clue not detected.
    >>
    >>I gave up on Actrix a long time ago.

    >
    >
    > OTOH, I have nothing but good service from them. Obviously mileages vary :)
    >

    ....me too! Been with them for years, ever since they took
    over Welcom.

    Cheers,

    Cliff
    Enkidu, Jan 30, 2005
    #6
  7. In article <>, Aaron Lawrence <> wrote:
    >Suddenly, Jerry sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
    >> As it is, this e-mail is not spam, you are receiving this because you or
    >> someone that knows your e-mail address has visited
    >> www.wellingtonstreetrace.co.nz and entered your details into the sign up
    >> for an e-mail list. Looking at the name they are sending to I would
    >> assume this was done on 12 August 2004.
    >>
    >> The e-mail includes clear and explicit instructions to have yourself
    >> removed from this list, I would suggest following them:
    >>
    >> > If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please reply

    >> and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.

    >
    >Clue not detected.
    >
    >I gave up on Actrix a long time ago.


    OTOH, I have nothing but good service from them. Obviously mileages vary :)


    Bruce


    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to
    think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone´s fault.
    If it was Us, what did that make Me ? After all, I´m one of Us. I must be.
    I´ve certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No-one ever thinks
    of themselves as one of Them. We´re always one of Us. It´s Them that do
    the bad things. <=> Terry Pratchett. Jingo.

    Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
    (if there were any)
    Bruce Sinclair, Jan 30, 2005
    #7
  8. Suddenly, Bruce Sinclair sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
    > >I gave up on Actrix a long time ago.

    >
    > OTOH, I have nothing but good service from them. Obviously mileages vary :)


    Impossible! I demand that my opinion is the fact!
    --
    aaronl at consultant dot com
    For every expert, there is an equal and
    opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke
    Aaron Lawrence, Jan 31, 2005
    #8
  9. In article <>, Aaron Lawrence <> wrote:
    >Suddenly, Bruce Sinclair sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
    >> >I gave up on Actrix a long time ago.

    >>
    >> OTOH, I have nothing but good service from them. Obviously mileages vary :)

    >
    >Impossible! I demand that my opinion is the fact!


    LOL :) Didn't know red had changed his nick :) :)

    Bruce


    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to
    think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone´s fault.
    If it was Us, what did that make Me ? After all, I´m one of Us. I must be.
    I´ve certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No-one ever thinks
    of themselves as one of Them. We´re always one of Us. It´s Them that do
    the bad things. <=> Terry Pratchett. Jingo.

    Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
    (if there were any)
    Bruce Sinclair, Jan 31, 2005
    #9
  10. Jerry

    Jerry Guest

    thing wrote:
    > Dorado wrote:
    >
    >> Bret wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:08:07 +1300, Jerry <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> <Snip>
    >>>
    >>>> The e-mail includes clear and explicit instructions to have yourself
    >>>> removed from this list, I would suggest following them:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please
    >>>>> reply
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Regards,
    >>>>
    >>>> Actrix Abuse Team
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I don't ever respond to spammers, you just get put on more spam
    >>>> lists. they never got anything from my e-mail address and I believe
    >>>> the ISP should deal with the spammers. It seems to me that Actrix
    >>>> encourages spamming as long as there is an opt-out message. What is
    >>>> the opinion of the group?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> What's the chance someone else has entered your details?
    >>> Are they using spam software for a legitimate(?) use.I'd try the
    >>> remove, they might honour it.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Doesn't matter who enters your details.. if they don't validate the email
    >> address (like most online signup lists do) then they are infact spamming.
    >> The point is any mass email you get, which you didn't explicitly sign up
    >> for, is spam and should be treated as such
    >>
    >>

    >
    > not impressed with actrix's reply, its spam pure and simple..........
    >
    > No one replies to the opt out message that is a well known no no. It
    > suggests you got a hell desk moron and not a real IT person.
    >
    > actrix has copped out, probably receiving an income off them, I will
    > monitor our system for actrix mail if I see such stuff passing through
    > from them I will have a go at them.
    >
    > regards
    >
    > Thing


    I sent a response Friday and expected a reply from Actrix today (Monday
    being a holiday in Auckland). I didn't get one, so I guess Actric is
    happy to allow spamming from their network. Their response didn't
    really say if the spam was OK because they were making money from it, or
    that it had an opt out clause.

    I also noted in the Saturday Dominion that the pro race group claims
    they have 11000 signatures of people supporting the race. I wonder if
    these are signatures, or people whose e-mail addresses they have
    harvested, and are spamming.

    Cheers,
    Jerry
    Jerry, Feb 1, 2005
    #10
  11. Jerry

    Bret Guest

    On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:35:13 +1300, Jerry <> wrote:

    >thing wrote:
    >> Dorado wrote:
    >>
    >>> Bret wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:08:07 +1300, Jerry <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> <Snip>
    >>>>
    >>>>> The e-mail includes clear and explicit instructions to have yourself
    >>>>> removed from this list, I would suggest following them:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> If you don't wish to receive any further emails from us, please
    >>>>>> reply
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> and type "takemeoff" in the subject line.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Regards,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Actrix Abuse Team
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I don't ever respond to spammers, you just get put on more spam
    >>>>> lists. they never got anything from my e-mail address and I believe
    >>>>> the ISP should deal with the spammers. It seems to me that Actrix
    >>>>> encourages spamming as long as there is an opt-out message. What is
    >>>>> the opinion of the group?
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> What's the chance someone else has entered your details?
    >>>> Are they using spam software for a legitimate(?) use.I'd try the
    >>>> remove, they might honour it.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Doesn't matter who enters your details.. if they don't validate the email
    >>> address (like most online signup lists do) then they are infact spamming.
    >>> The point is any mass email you get, which you didn't explicitly sign up
    >>> for, is spam and should be treated as such
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> not impressed with actrix's reply, its spam pure and simple..........
    >>
    >> No one replies to the opt out message that is a well known no no. It
    >> suggests you got a hell desk moron and not a real IT person.
    >>
    >> actrix has copped out, probably receiving an income off them, I will
    >> monitor our system for actrix mail if I see such stuff passing through
    >> from them I will have a go at them.
    >>
    >> regards
    >>
    >> Thing

    >
    >I sent a response Friday and expected a reply from Actrix today (Monday
    >being a holiday in Auckland). I didn't get one, so I guess Actric is
    >happy to allow spamming from their network. Their response didn't
    >really say if the spam was OK because they were making money from it, or
    >that it had an opt out clause.
    >
    >I also noted in the Saturday Dominion that the pro race group claims
    >they have 11000 signatures of people supporting the race. I wonder if
    >these are signatures, or people whose e-mail addresses they have
    >harvested, and are spamming.
    >


    I contacted the admin of the website, it was an oversight and they are
    going to add a confirm email to there list.
    No malice was intended IMHO.
    Bret, Feb 1, 2005
    #11
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