Spam free or get it free??

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by XPD, Oct 11, 2003.

  1. XPD

    XPD Guest

    "Peter.E" <> wrote in message
    news:MXQhb.336$...
    > Hi all as for the ISPs that offer spam free e-mails my belief is that
    > the offer is spam itself.
    > While I am currently a Paradise user I never recieved spam until they
    > started the Spam free and virus free program...
    >
    > Now isn't that wierd
    >


    Same with IHUG's ISpy system.... never got spam until they put ISpy into
    action.
    XPD, Oct 11, 2003
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    Andy Lawson Guest

    "Peter.E" <> wrote in message
    news:MXQhb.336$...
    > Hi all as for the ISPs that offer spam free e-mails my belief is that
    > the offer is spam itself.


    You have an existing customer relationship with them correct?, as the ISP
    they are well within their rights to contact you regarding changes to their
    service. If you don't like it move to another ISP.

    > While I am currently a Paradise user I never recieved spam until they
    > started the Spam free and virus free program...


    Quick its a conspiracy, they're in league with the spammers, NOT!!. I just
    wish they'd get a better hit rate on the spam, approx 10% is still getting
    through. As for the virus scanning, I just wish they would stop forwarding
    the damn messages that came with the viruses, most are generated by the
    virus anyway.

    > Now isn't that wierd


    Weird maybe, but I hardly think its directly related to the start of their
    spam and virus filtering service. If weasel96 at Paradise is your real email
    address used for usenet posting then you've exposed it to address
    harvesters. On some groups it only takes a single unmunged post to have spam
    hit your account within a day or two.
    Andy Lawson, Oct 11, 2003
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    Stewart Gray Guest

    I actually noticed this as well, no spam until they launched that service.
    Ive had my pop3 account for near on 5 years and until recently (cheers spam
    protection) I hadnt recieved any. Could always turn it off I guess....

    "Peter.E" <> wrote in message
    news:MXQhb.336$...
    > Hi all as for the ISPs that offer spam free e-mails my belief is that
    > the offer is spam itself.
    > While I am currently a Paradise user I never recieved spam until they
    > started the Spam free and virus free program...
    >
    > Now isn't that wierd
    >
    Stewart Gray, Oct 11, 2003
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    Bret Guest

    On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:29:33 +1300, "Stewart Gray"
    <> wrote:

    >I actually noticed this as well, no spam until they launched that service.
    >Ive had my pop3 account for near on 5 years and until recently (cheers spam
    >protection) I hadnt recieved any. Could always turn it off I guess....
    >
    >"Peter.E" <> wrote in message
    >news:MXQhb.336$...
    >> Hi all as for the ISPs that offer spam free e-mails my belief is that
    >> the offer is spam itself.
    >> While I am currently a Paradise user I never recieved spam until they
    >> started the Spam free and virus free program...
    >>
    >> Now isn't that wierd
    >>

    >

    I don't get any spam on my xtra account, can I expect to get some when
    Xtras spam filters go live.
    Bret, Oct 11, 2003
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    Eagle Eye Guest

    "Peter.E" <> wrote in message
    news:MXQhb.336$...
    > Hi all as for the ISPs that offer spam free e-mails my belief is that
    > the offer is spam itself.
    > While I am currently a Paradise user I never recieved spam until they
    > started the Spam free and virus free program...
    >
    > Now isn't that wierd
    >


    I have three ISP's - Clearnet, Hypernet and Globenet.

    Clearnet has recently had a promotion where your first two months are free
    if you join up. Nobody I know that emails me has my Clearnet address - I
    don't even use it, seeing as I have another two, plus a Hotmail one for
    using on the Net, etc. So how come I started receiving emails (junk mail)
    from Clearnet? Only a few over a fortnight, but still...how come?
    Eagle Eye, Oct 11, 2003
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    "Bret" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 07:29:33 +1300, "Stewart Gray"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >I actually noticed this as well, no spam until they launched that

    service.
    > >Ive had my pop3 account for near on 5 years and until recently (cheers

    spam
    > >protection) I hadnt recieved any. Could always turn it off I guess....
    > >
    > >"Peter.E" <> wrote in message
    > >news:MXQhb.336$...
    > >> Hi all as for the ISPs that offer spam free e-mails my belief is that
    > >> the offer is spam itself.
    > >> While I am currently a Paradise user I never recieved spam until they
    > >> started the Spam free and virus free program...
    > >>
    > >> Now isn't that wierd
    > >>

    > >

    > I don't get any spam on my xtra account, can I expect to get some when
    > Xtras spam filters go live.


    Wondering the same myself. I have a dial-up account with Xtra (have done
    since late '98) but, for the last year or more, have migrated all my email
    over to an Orcon (free, life-time, POP3 and SMTP access) account in
    anticipation of maybe changing providors or going broad-band and dropping
    Xtra (dream). Still using Xtra's SMTP server for sending, as they stopped me
    accessing Orcon's one a few months after I started using it.

    All I get on my xtra account is their weekly blurb (in HTML of course) that
    my spam filter disposes of quite nicely for me. It'll be interesting to see
    if there are any changes.
    --
    ~misfit~


    ---
    Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
    Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
    Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 9/10/2003
    ~misfit~, Oct 12, 2003
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    T.N.O. Guest

    "Stewart Gray" wrote
    > I actually noticed this as well, no spam until they launched that service.
    > Ive had my pop3 account for near on 5 years and until recently (cheers

    spam
    > protection) I hadnt recieved any. Could always turn it off I guess....



    It is probably more likely that they used to do a small amount of manual
    spam blocking on all mail boxes, and when they introduced the new service,
    have removed the manual one to make it less complicated.
    T.N.O., Oct 12, 2003
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    Peter.E Guest

    Hi all as for the ISPs that offer spam free e-mails my belief is that
    the offer is spam itself.
    While I am currently a Paradise user I never recieved spam until they
    started the Spam free and virus free program...

    Now isn't that wierd
    Peter.E, Oct 12, 2003
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  9. Stewart Gray wrote:

    > I actually noticed this as well, no spam until they launched that service.
    > Ive had my pop3 account for near on 5 years and until recently (cheers spam
    > protection) I hadnt recieved any. Could always turn it off I guess....


    Chances are you opened a spam mail, loaded the images in it therefore confirming
    the address.

    If your address is quite a common name@the isp then a dictionary attack will get it.
    Richard Malcolm-Smith, Oct 12, 2003
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    Mainlander Guest

    In article <MXQhb.336$>,
    says...
    > Hi all as for the ISPs that offer spam free e-mails my belief is that
    > the offer is spam itself.
    > While I am currently a Paradise user I never recieved spam until they
    > started the Spam free and virus free program...
    >
    > Now isn't that wierd


    No, you are.

    I receive no spam since they started the program, whereas I received spam
    before.
    Mainlander, Oct 12, 2003
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  11. Eagle Eye wrote:
    [snip]
    > I have three ISP's - Clearnet, Hypernet and Globenet.
    >
    > Clearnet has recently had a promotion where your first two months are
    > free if you join up. Nobody I know that emails me has my Clearnet
    > address - I don't even use it, seeing as I have another two, plus a
    > Hotmail one for using on the Net, etc. So how come I started
    > receiving emails (junk mail) from Clearnet? Only a few over a
    > fortnight, but still...how come?


    Most likely a dictionary attack. Spammers simply send emails to
    <userid>@clear.net.nz where <userid> any valid user id characters. If there
    is no error returned the userid is harvested for spamming. The only defence
    to this is to have a long userid.
    HTH,

    --
    Bryan Souster
    For acronyms (IIRC, TIA etc) visit www.acronymfinder.com for the meanings.
    Bryan Souster, Oct 12, 2003
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    Ralph Fox Guest

    On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:00:06 +1300, in article
    <3f89c0fd$>, Bryan Souster wrote:

    > Most likely a dictionary attack. Spammers simply send emails to
    > <userid>@clear.net.nz where <userid> any valid user id characters. If there
    > is no error returned the userid is harvested for spamming. The only defence
    > to this is to have a long userid.



    I'm wondering whether spammers would not use the "no error returned"
    (i.e. no bounce message), but instead would use a positive confirmation
    such as a DSN delivery receipt or an inline image loaded from the web.

    1. Problem with "no error returned" is the spammer has to process a
    huge number of bounce messages just to find the small percentage
    of guessed <userid>s that did not give a bounce message.

    With a positive confirmation like a DSN delivery receipt, the
    spammer only has to process the small percentage of successes.

    2. I've had only two spams in many years to my unpublished paradise
    email address. I presume that both are dictionary attacks.

    Both spams would have had "no error returned" (no bounce) but
    even so I saw no further spam.

    On the other hand, neither spam would have had any kind of
    positive confirmation.
    • Paradise's mail servers do not provide DSN delivery receipts.
    • I read email with a client that does not load images off the web.


    --
    Cheers,
    Ralph

    "There is only one boss, the customer. And he can fire everybody in
    the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money
    somewhere else." -- Sam Walton
    Ralph Fox, Oct 13, 2003
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    pbs Guest

    T.N.O. wrote:
    > "Stewart Gray" wrote
    >
    >>I actually noticed this as well, no spam until they launched that service.
    >>Ive had my pop3 account for near on 5 years and until recently (cheers

    >
    > spam
    >
    >>protection) I hadnt recieved any. Could always turn it off I guess....

    >
    >
    >
    > It is probably more likely that they used to do a small amount of manual
    > spam blocking on all mail boxes, and when they introduced the new service,
    > have removed the manual one to make it less complicated.


    Or possibly it coincided with, or was a response to, the SWEN virus and
    the hits you are receiving are from SWEN infected machines which have
    your email address.
    pbs, Oct 15, 2003
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