Sony 828 vs Canon 10D noise

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Jimmy Smith, Dec 21, 2003.

  1. Jimmy Smith

    Jimmy Smith Guest

    I see a number of posters claim a noise problem with the new Sony 828. How
    does the Canon 10D rate when it comes to noise?

    Jimmy
     
    Jimmy Smith, Dec 21, 2003
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  2. Jimmy Smith

    Nils Rostedt Guest

    "Jimmy Smith" <> wrote in message
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    > I see a number of posters claim a noise problem with the new Sony 828.

    How
    > does the Canon 10D rate when it comes to noise?
    >

    The 10D is one of the most noise-free DSLRs. I use ISO 400-800 regularly and
    the noise level is very low - negligible to most audiences other than photo
    tech freaks. There is a slight difference compared to ISO 100 which is for
    all practical purposes noiseless. But anyway it's vastly better than all the
    non-DSLRs I've tried and also much better than ISO 400 film. The
    astrophotography specialists are very excited about the 10D, which in itself
    says a lot. Canon's 6MP CMOS sensor has been lauded for its low noise by all
    reviewers I've read. To my understanding, the lowest-noise club also incudes
    Canon's pro models (1D, 1Ds) and the Nikon D100.
     
    Nils Rostedt, Dec 21, 2003
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  3. Jimmy Smith

    Mark Johnson Guest

    "Jimmy Smith" <> wrote:

    >I see a number of posters claim a noise problem with the new Sony 828. How
    >does the Canon 10D rate when it comes to noise?


    How about a D60? Isn't that also a very low noise CCD?
     
    Mark Johnson, Dec 21, 2003
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  4. Jimmy Smith

    Todd Walker Guest

    In article <>, 102334.12
    @compuserve.com says...
    > "Jimmy Smith" <> wrote:
    >
    > >I see a number of posters claim a noise problem with the new Sony 828. How
    > >does the Canon 10D rate when it comes to noise?

    >
    > How about a D60? Isn't that also a very low noise CCD?
    >


    Not as low as the 10D. Look at the bottom of the page here for a graph
    comparing the two:

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos10d/page18.asp

    And from the article:

    "As we had expected these test results were virtually identical to those
    produced for our pre-production preview. Things seem fairly close at ISO
    100 and 200, at ISO 400 the EOS-10D is beginning to look cleaner, at ISO
    800 the difference is more noticeable and the EOS-10D's ISO 1600
    performance is very good indeed, actually exhibiting less noise than the
    EOS-D60 at ISO 800. It would appear that Canon's changes to image
    processing (probably enhanced high sensitivity noise reduction) and
    improved CMOS manufacturing processes have made a more significant
    difference to noise at higher ISO's."

    --
    __________________________________
    Todd Walker
    Canon 10D
    http://www.toddwalker.net
    http://www.twphotography.net
    __________________________________
     
    Todd Walker, Dec 22, 2003
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  5. Jimmy Smith

    Mark Johnson Guest

    Todd Walker <> wrote:

    >"As we had expected these test results were virtually identical to those
    >produced for our pre-production preview. Things seem fairly close at ISO
    >100 and 200, at ISO 400 the EOS-10D is beginning to look cleaner, at ISO
    >800 the difference is more noticeable and the EOS-10D's ISO 1600
    >performance is very good indeed, actually exhibiting less noise than the
    >EOS-D60 at ISO 800. It would appear that Canon's changes to image
    >processing (probably enhanced high sensitivity noise reduction) and
    >improved CMOS manufacturing processes have made a more significant
    >difference to noise at higher ISO's."


    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos10d/page18.asp


    Canon EOS-10D: Parameters: Standard, Large/Fine JPEG (3072 x 2048),
    Manual WB
    Canon EOS-D60: Parameters: Standard, Large/Fine JPEG (3072 x 2048),
    Manual WB


    JPEQ, not RAW. That could be a problem. How do the RAW compare?
     
    Mark Johnson, Dec 22, 2003
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  6. On 2003-12-21, Nils Rostedt <> wrote:
    >
    > "Jimmy Smith" <> wrote in message
    > news:d%nFb.3144$...
    >> I see a number of posters claim a noise problem with the new Sony 828.

    > How
    >> does the Canon 10D rate when it comes to noise?
    >>

    > The 10D is one of the most noise-free DSLRs. I use ISO 400-800 regularly and
    > the noise level is very low - negligible to most audiences other than photo
    > tech freaks. There is a slight difference compared to ISO 100 which is for
    > all practical purposes noiseless. But anyway it's vastly better than all the
    > non-DSLRs I've tried and also much better than ISO 400 film. The
    > astrophotography specialists are very excited about the 10D, which in itself
    > says a lot. Canon's 6MP CMOS sensor has been lauded for its low noise by all
    > reviewers I've read. To my understanding, the lowest-noise club also incudes
    > Canon's pro models (1D, 1Ds) and the Nikon D100.


    And the Digital Rebel / EOS 300D, which has the same sensor.
     
    Povl H. Pedersen, Dec 22, 2003
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  7. "Nils Rostedt" <> wrote in message
    news:bs53a6$93toj$-berlin.de...
    >
    > "Jimmy Smith" <> wrote in message
    > news:d%nFb.3144$...
    > > I see a number of posters claim a noise problem with the new Sony 828.

    > How
    > > does the Canon 10D rate when it comes to noise?
    > >

    > The 10D is one of the most noise-free DSLRs.


    It's easy to be noise free, it's hard to be low noise and carry high
    resolution.
     
    George Preddy, Dec 22, 2003
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  8. "Todd Walker" <> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1a500086f7637adb989749@news-
    > "As we had expected these test results were virtually identical to those
    > produced for our pre-production preview. Things seem fairly close at ISO
    > 100 and 200, at ISO 400 the EOS-10D is beginning to look cleaner, at ISO
    > 800 the difference is more noticeable and the EOS-10D's ISO 1600
    > performance is very good indeed, actually exhibiting less noise than the
    > EOS-D60 at ISO 800. It would appear that Canon's changes to image
    > processing (probably enhanced high sensitivity noise reduction) and
    > improved CMOS manufacturing processes have made a more significant
    > difference to noise at higher ISO's."


    What is really amazing is how poorly both "noise free" Canon's compare to
    the obsolete-firmware SD9 samples on dpreview...
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmasd9/page15.asp

    The firmware update released with the launch of the SD9 (not tested by
    dpreview) roughly halved the noise you see in those SD9 samples (see the
    note at the bottom of the page). The latest firmware halves noise again.
    And the flawed noise analysis program's graph was obviously included as a
    crutch to avoid losing Canon as a sponsor forever. It is crystal clear from
    simply looking at the samples that the totally obsolete-firmware SD9 has
    less than half the noise of the D60/10D.
     
    George Preddy, Dec 22, 2003
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  9. Jimmy Smith

    Nils Rostedt Guest

    "George Preddy" <> wrote in message
    news:bs6to7$anb$...
    >
    > "Nils Rostedt" <> wrote in message
    > news:bs53a6$93toj$-berlin.de...
    > >
    > > "Jimmy Smith" <> wrote in message
    > > news:d%nFb.3144$...
    > > > I see a number of posters claim a noise problem with the new Sony 828.

    > > How
    > > > does the Canon 10D rate when it comes to noise?
    > > >

    > > The 10D is one of the most noise-free DSLRs.

    >
    > It's easy to be noise free, it's hard to be low noise and carry high
    > resolution.
    >


    No surprise then that the 10D and 300D sell like hot cakes, they did it from
    day one.

    Unlike the SD9 where even its most ardent supporter admits it took three SW
    generations (if he's to be believed) , and it still doesn't get the colors
    right .
     
    Nils Rostedt, Dec 22, 2003
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  10. Jimmy Smith

    Guest

    In message <bs53a6$93toj$-berlin.de>,
    "Nils Rostedt" <> wrote:

    >
    >"Jimmy Smith" <> wrote in message
    >news:d%nFb.3144$...
    >> I see a number of posters claim a noise problem with the new Sony 828.

    >How
    >> does the Canon 10D rate when it comes to noise?
    >>

    >The 10D is one of the most noise-free DSLRs. I use ISO 400-800 regularly and
    >the noise level is very low - negligible to most audiences other than photo
    >tech freaks. There is a slight difference compared to ISO 100 which is for
    >all practical purposes noiseless. But anyway it's vastly better than all the
    >non-DSLRs I've tried and also much better than ISO 400 film. The
    >astrophotography specialists are very excited about the 10D, which in itself
    >says a lot. Canon's 6MP CMOS sensor has been lauded for its low noise by all
    >reviewers I've read. To my understanding, the lowest-noise club also incudes
    >Canon's pro models (1D, 1Ds) and the Nikon D100.


    I generally only use ISO 100 on my 10D when I think I may be digging
    into the shadows in post-processing, or want a little less DOF and/or a
    little less action-stopping. I also use it with an EC of up to -2 for
    an ISO400 with a lower bit-depth for the 18% grey point, but more
    headroom for light bulbs and such. ISO 400 suits me fine for general
    use, especially with a telephoto, and especially with a teleconverter in
    the mix.
    --

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    John P Sheehy <>
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    , Dec 22, 2003
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  11. Jimmy Smith

    Guest

    In message <bs6to7$anb$>,
    "George Preddy" <> wrote:

    >"Nils Rostedt" <> wrote in message
    >news:bs53a6$93toj$-berlin.de...


    >> The 10D is one of the most noise-free DSLRs.


    >It's easy to be noise free, it's hard to be low noise and carry high
    >resolution.


    Actually, the lower the noise, the more youc an boost the 0.2 to 0.5
    pixel range with USM, bringing back the attenuated frequencies without
    bringing up much noise.
    --

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    John P Sheehy <>
    ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>><
     
    , Dec 22, 2003
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