Sobig worm - Second Wave

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    Kraftee Guest

    Slinky wrote:
    > ROTFLMAO...



    You may be laughing, _but_ despite it being one of the most oft said
    things on usenet people still often do & then complain about the
    outcome...

    How many people were lulled into a false sense of security about the
    Sobig virus? Well it's the fastest spreading one yet so plenty have &
    still do, & I can't help but wonder what's going to happen over the
    next couple of nights as well.

    --
    B-)
    Life is pain.....
    Deal with it!!
    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
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  6. Exactly. I sent out a mass email to our customers yesterday. At the end of
    each paragraph, which meant I stated it FIVE TIMES, I put this:

    "DO NOT OPEN ANY UNKNOWN EMAILED FILES - EVEN IF IT IS FROM SOMEONE YOU
    KNOW!!!!"

    Thinking that being SO far over the top, in warning everyone...that there
    would be absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind about this. Do you know, we
    got questions like "My son sent me a screen saver file and I opened it. I'm
    now thinking it might have been the attachment you were talking about."

    You laugh. We get headaches. :p"

    --Tina

    --
    http://www.AffordableHOST.com
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    "Kraftee" <> wrote in message
    news:eav1b.2020$...
    > Slinky wrote:
    > > ROTFLMAO...

    >
    >
    > You may be laughing, _but_ despite it being one of the most oft said
    > things on usenet people still often do & then complain about the
    > outcome...
    >
    > How many people were lulled into a false sense of security about the
    > Sobig virus? Well it's the fastest spreading one yet so plenty have &
    > still do, & I can't help but wonder what's going to happen over the
    > next couple of nights as well.
    >
    > --
    > B-)
    > Life is pain.....
    > Deal with it!!
    >
    >
    Tina - AffordableHOST.com, Aug 22, 2003
    #6
  7. Plato

    Will Denny Guest

    Oh cr*p, are you here as well Kraftee <VBG>

    Will

    "Kraftee" <> wrote in message news:eav1b.2020$...
    > Slinky wrote:
    > > ROTFLMAO...

    >
    >
    > You may be laughing, _but_ despite it being one of the most oft said
    > things on usenet people still often do & then complain about the
    > outcome...
    >
    > How many people were lulled into a false sense of security about the
    > Sobig virus? Well it's the fastest spreading one yet so plenty have &
    > still do, & I can't help but wonder what's going to happen over the
    > next couple of nights as well.
    >
    > --
    > B-)
    > Life is pain.....
    > Deal with it!!
    >
    >



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    Will Denny, Aug 22, 2003
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  8. Plato

    Kraftee Guest

    Will Denny wrote:
    > Oh cr*p, are you here as well Kraftee <VBG>
    >
    > Will


    Hello (very) little boy *eg*
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    Life is pain.....
    Deal with it!!
    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
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  9. Plato

    Will Denny Guest

    No offence meant, Kraftee. It's a shame that the way that NTL have shown to get rid of MSBlaster is wrong. They haven't mentioned RPC, which is one of the main problems.

    Will

    "Kraftee" <> wrote in message news:Iqv1b.2038$...
    > Will Denny wrote:
    > > Oh cr*p, are you here as well Kraftee <VBG>
    > >
    > > Will

    >
    > Hello (very) little boy *eg*
    > --
    > B-)
    > Life is pain.....
    > Deal with it!!
    >
    >



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    Will Denny, Aug 22, 2003
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  10. Plato

    PCyr Guest

    Oh please. Don't give that advice. If you follow the three rules to
    computer security, it's almost always fine to open attachments from people
    you know.

    1) The most important thing: Anti-virus. Norton is great, and I've heard
    many good things about AVG. McAfee, or McCrappy, is a piece of garbage. It
    may work fine with some users, but it doesn't provide the security most
    people need. I've heard way way way to many problems with it.
    2) Firewall. Use the one with XP, or download/buy a different one, but make
    sure you have at least a basic one.
    3) The last, but DEFINITELY not least: Updates. Keep you computer *and*
    virus definitions up to date.

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    ------------------
    "Tina - AffordableHOST.com" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > DO NOT OPEN ANY UNKNOWN EMAILED FILES - EVEN IF IT IS FROM SOMEONE YOU
    > KNOW!!!!
    >
    > If you think your computer may be infected, there is a small program
    > available to scan and clean your system (Windows):
    > http://download.nai.com/products/mcafee-avert/stinger.exe
    >
    > --Tina
    >
    > --
    > http://www.AffordableHOST.com
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    > Serving the web since 1997
    >
    > "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
    > news:3f467296$0$15392$...
    >
    > > http://www.updatexp.com/sobig-attack.html
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > http://www.bootdisk.com/

    >
    >
    PCyr, Aug 22, 2003
    #10
  11. Plato

    slumpy Guest

    "So, Mr Slumpy you *really* are the perpetual comedian, aren't you ?" I
    threw back my head and roared with laughter as Tina - AffordableHOST.com
    continued:

    > Exactly. I sent out a mass email to our customers yesterday. At the
    > end of each paragraph, which meant I stated it FIVE TIMES, I put this:
    >
    > "DO NOT OPEN ANY UNKNOWN EMAILED FILES - EVEN IF IT IS FROM SOMEONE
    > YOU KNOW!!!!"
    >
    > Thinking that being SO far over the top, in warning everyone...that
    > there would be absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind about this. Do
    > you know, we got questions like "My son sent me a screen saver file
    > and I opened it. I'm now thinking it might have been the attachment
    > you were talking about."
    >
    > You laugh. We get headaches. :p"
    >
    > --Tina


    It is sad that people can be so ignorant. The news at various places I
    visited today was that their systems were all but dead due to people blindly
    opening attachments. They all wear suits, have responsible jobs and make
    decisions that potentially could affect us all. Yet they do not have a
    fuckin clue.
    Amazing...
    --
    slumpy
    no more
    no less
    just slumpy
    slumpy, Aug 22, 2003
    #11
  12. Plato

    Kraftee Guest

    PCyr wrote:
    > Oh please. Don't give that advice. If you follow the three rules
    > to computer security, it's almost always fine to open attachments
    > from people you know.



    Except when they get infected. Yes it can happen to the people you
    know as well as all those out 'there'. Yes it has happened to an
    associate of mine, who claimed he was PC savvy. I also know of
    software specialists who run completely open unprotected public BBS's
    as it's to much like hard work to secure them & then they wonder why
    they get trashed...

    Sorry it's a case of everything is supsect as for the rest of your
    post I can generally agree with you especially about the updates..

    >
    > 1) The most important thing: Anti-virus. Norton is great, and I've
    > heard many good things about AVG. McAfee, or McCrappy, is a piece
    > of garbage. It may work fine with some users, but it doesn't
    > provide the security most people need. I've heard way way way to
    > many problems with it. 2) Firewall. Use the one with XP, or
    > download/buy a different one, but make sure you have at least a
    > basic one. 3) The last, but DEFINITELY not least: Updates. Keep
    > you computer *and* virus definitions up to date.
    >
    >
    > Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
    > Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
    > Change the obvious to the obvious.
    > ------------------
    > "Tina - AffordableHOST.com" <> wrote in
    > message news:...
    >> DO NOT OPEN ANY UNKNOWN EMAILED FILES - EVEN IF IT IS FROM SOMEONE
    >> YOU KNOW!!!!
    >>
    >> If you think your computer may be infected, there is a small
    >> program available to scan and clean your system (Windows):
    >> http://download.nai.com/products/mcafee-avert/stinger.exe
    >>
    >> --Tina
    >>
    >> --
    >> http://www.AffordableHOST.com
    >> 20% Discount Code: newsgroup
    >> Serving the web since 1997
    >>
    >> "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
    >> news:3f467296$0$15392$...
    >>
    >>> http://www.updatexp.com/sobig-attack.html
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> http://www.bootdisk.com/




    --
    B-)
    Life is pain.....
    Deal with it!!
    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
    #12
  13. Plato

    Kraftee Guest

    Will Denny wrote:
    > No offence meant, Kraftee. It's a shame that the way that NTL have
    > shown to get rid of MSBlaster is wrong. They haven't mentioned
    > RPC, which is one of the main problems.
    >


    Now that's something I can agree with you on.

    The good thing about NTL's handling of the whole affair though is the
    way that they at least have tried to warn their users, indeed they
    have given one of their self promotion channels over to the matter
    virtually 24 hours a days, this week (well I'm having trouble sleeping
    & tried to bore myself to sleep, it failed, think I'll try QVC or
    Ideal home next time)... That in itself is far more than some other
    ISP's have done, so at least they have tried/are trying (very
    trying)...

    :eek:)

    > Will
    >
    > "Kraftee" <> wrote in message
    > news:Iqv1b.2038$...
    >> Will Denny wrote:
    >>> Oh cr*p, are you here as well Kraftee <VBG>
    >>>
    >>> Will

    >>
    >> Hello (very) little boy *eg*
    >> --
    >> B-)
    >> Life is pain.....
    >> Deal with it!!
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
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    > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/2003




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    Life is pain.....
    Deal with it!!
    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
    #13
  14. Plato

    Slinky Guest

    ROTFLMAO...

    "Tina - AffordableHOST.com" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > DO NOT OPEN ANY UNKNOWN EMAILED FILES - EVEN IF IT IS FROM SOMEONE YOU
    > KNOW!!!!
    >
    > If you think your computer may be infected, there is a small program
    > available to scan and clean your system (Windows):
    > http://download.nai.com/products/mcafee-avert/stinger.exe
    >
    > --Tina
    >
    > --
    > http://www.AffordableHOST.com
    > 20% Discount Code: newsgroup
    > Serving the web since 1997
    >
    > "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
    > news:3f467296$0$15392$...
    >
    > > http://www.updatexp.com/sobig-attack.html
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > http://www.bootdisk.com/

    >
    >
    Slinky, Aug 22, 2003
    #14
  15. Plato

    PCyr Guest

    I agree that everything is a suspect, but it doesn't mean you can't EVER
    open attachments, as she says.
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    "Kraftee" <> wrote in message
    news:uQv1b.2053$...
    > PCyr wrote:
    > > Oh please. Don't give that advice. If you follow the three rules
    > > to computer security, it's almost always fine to open attachments
    > > from people you know.

    >
    >
    > Except when they get infected. Yes it can happen to the people you
    > know as well as all those out 'there'. Yes it has happened to an
    > associate of mine, who claimed he was PC savvy. I also know of
    > software specialists who run completely open unprotected public BBS's
    > as it's to much like hard work to secure them & then they wonder why
    > they get trashed...
    >
    > Sorry it's a case of everything is supsect as for the rest of your
    > post I can generally agree with you especially about the updates..
    >
    > >
    > > 1) The most important thing: Anti-virus. Norton is great, and I've
    > > heard many good things about AVG. McAfee, or McCrappy, is a piece
    > > of garbage. It may work fine with some users, but it doesn't
    > > provide the security most people need. I've heard way way way to
    > > many problems with it. 2) Firewall. Use the one with XP, or
    > > download/buy a different one, but make sure you have at least a
    > > basic one. 3) The last, but DEFINITELY not least: Updates. Keep
    > > you computer *and* virus definitions up to date.
    > >
    > >
    > > Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
    > > Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
    > > Change the obvious to the obvious.
    > > ------------------
    > > "Tina - AffordableHOST.com" <> wrote in
    > > message news:...
    > >> DO NOT OPEN ANY UNKNOWN EMAILED FILES - EVEN IF IT IS FROM SOMEONE
    > >> YOU KNOW!!!!
    > >>
    > >> If you think your computer may be infected, there is a small
    > >> program available to scan and clean your system (Windows):
    > >> http://download.nai.com/products/mcafee-avert/stinger.exe
    > >>
    > >> --Tina
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> http://www.AffordableHOST.com
    > >> 20% Discount Code: newsgroup
    > >> Serving the web since 1997
    > >>
    > >> "Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
    > >> news:3f467296$0$15392$...
    > >>
    > >>> http://www.updatexp.com/sobig-attack.html
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> --
    > >>> http://www.bootdisk.com/

    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > B-)
    > Life is pain.....
    > Deal with it!!
    >
    >
    PCyr, Aug 22, 2003
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  16. Plato

    Will Denny Guest

    "Kraftee" <> wrote in message news:8Wv1b.2058$...
    > Will Denny wrote:
    > > No offence meant, Kraftee. It's a shame that the way that NTL have
    > > shown to get rid of MSBlaster is wrong. They haven't mentioned
    > > RPC, which is one of the main problems.
    > >

    >
    > Now that's something I can agree with you on.
    >
    > The good thing about NTL's handling of the whole affair though is the
    > way that they at least have tried to warn their users, indeed they
    > have given one of their self promotion channels over to the matter
    > virtually 24 hours a days, this week (well I'm having trouble sleeping
    > & tried to bore myself to sleep, it failed, think I'll try QVC or
    > Ideal home next time)... That in itself is far more than some other
    > ISP's have done, so at least they have tried/are trying (very
    > trying)...
    >
    > :eek:)


    I agree with the channel devoted to... but they aren't solving the problem with their own 'solution'. I've tried to contact them to point out their mistake, but can't get hold of them... It's a shame that they haven't got any staff that really knows how XP works - never mind, we'll survive.

    Will



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    Will Denny, Aug 22, 2003
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  17. Plato

    kurttrail Guest

    Kraftee wrote:

    > PCyr wrote:
    >> Oh please. Don't give that advice. If you follow the three rules
    >> to computer security, it's almost always fine to open attachments
    >> from people you know.

    >
    >
    > Except when they get infected. Yes it can happen to the people you
    > know as well as all those out 'there'. Yes it has happened to an
    > associate of mine, who claimed he was PC savvy. I also know of
    > software specialists who run completely open unprotected public BBS's
    > as it's to much like hard work to secure them & then they wonder why
    > they get trashed...
    >
    > Sorry it's a case of everything is supsect as for the rest of your
    > post I can generally agree with you especially about the updates..
    >


    WinUpdates aren't all that *critical*, if you have a good firewall,
    updated AV, and use your common sense.

    WinUpdates are like playing Russian Roulette, eventually someone pulls
    the trigger, and finds that the chamber ain't empty. Just look at all
    the people that have been scared into doing all of MS's Updates in the
    last week that are having problems. In a way, this scare into doing
    WinUpdates has been a kinda worm all on it's own.

    1.) Firewall between your computer/network and your internet
    connection. And having a software firewall on your computer, in
    addition, is even better!

    2.) Keep your AV up-to-date!

    3.) Use your common sense! Stay away from high risk
    activities, like file-sharing, porn sites, not opening up email
    attachments from friends and family, unless you're expecting them in
    advance, reading before you click on any pop-up, . . . . the list goes
    on & on.

    3a.) Do WinUpdates on a regular basis, but not en masse. I'd get used
    to developing a relationship WinUpdate and reading a group like this, so
    that you can hear about any problems that can & have happened with MS
    updates, before you install them, and you'll know what update actually
    screwed up, when it happens to you.

    I didn't make doing WinUpdates a number of it's own, because it really
    is only a part of using your common sense too.

    --
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    "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
    kurttrail, Aug 22, 2003
    #17
  18. Plato

    slumpy Guest

    "So, Mr Slumpy you *really* are the perpetual comedian, aren't you ?" I
    threw back my head and roared with laughter as PCyr continued:

    > I agree that everything is a suspect, but it doesn't mean you can't
    > EVER open attachments, as she says.


    Doesn't take much to save and scan tho. Seems there are too many ignorami
    out there all claiming to be 'savvy'.
    --
    slumpy
    no more
    no less
    just slumpy
    slumpy, Aug 22, 2003
    #18
  19. Plato

    Kraftee Guest

    kurttrail wrote:
    > Kraftee wrote:
    >


    > WinUpdates aren't all that *critical*, if you have a good firewall,
    > updated AV, and use your common sense.



    & in there lies the problem, the great majority of the unwashed public
    who use computers have little if any common sense about them. As long
    as it turns on & does what they want at that specific moment they
    don't care if it's infected or not, they don't care if it sends out
    viri infected mails, they don't care of it's got a trojan onboard,
    they don't care if it's used remotely for any dubious purposes, as
    long as it does what they want (download music, play the latest games,
    even just browse the net) when they want they are happy.

    For instance one of my work colleagues was warned last week about
    MSBlaster, he was running XP but didn't do anything, yes he was
    infected. Another colleagues of mine spent some time sorting it all
    out.

    Within 24 hours the PC owner was unhappy with the way it was running,
    wouldn't put his finger on what it was though, & so has 'rolled it
    back' to the beggining of last week....

    Another lent me a Disk & when I read it with one of my machines the AV
    went balistic, when I spoke to them they said that of course they
    didn't have any viruses on their mahine, it was protected but on being
    pressured they then admited it was a freeby of a magazine which was
    over 18 months old & had never ever been updated.

    I can see very little common sense with any of the above & I'm afraid
    that their attitude is more common than sense is.

    How often do you meet up with virgin installs of Windows 98 (not SE),
    never been patched, never been updated & then the owners report
    problems with USB equipment? Well I do I'm afraid (& they aren't
    rare) & when you start to talk to them about updating/patching they
    don't appear to be able to grasp the reason behind it. I spent ove 2
    hours at one user's this week where once again they had problems with
    a USB modem, it's only after had jumped through all the hopes I could
    think off that I was told that they hadn't installed the drivers as
    they kept getting an error...

    Most of the people who post on here are either trying to learn or
    trying to help (I did say most not all) but we are in the minority &
    you must remember that.

    >
    >
    > 1.) Firewall between your computer/network and your internet
    > connection. And having a software firewall on your computer, in
    > addition, is even better!


    Only if confiigured properly though. Since putting in my hardware
    security firewall I see very few probes on any machines, the only ones
    I am seeing at the moment have very little to do with port 139 &
    everything to do with 4662 (emule) & yes I can configure it block
    specific outgoing traffic as well...
    >
    > 2.) Keep your AV up-to-date!


    Of course, but that means the user is bothered...
    >
    > 3.) Use your common sense! Stay away from high risk
    > activities, like file-sharing, porn sites, not opening up email
    > attachments from friends and family, unless you're expecting them in
    > advance, reading before you click on any pop-up, . . . . the list
    > goes on & on.


    Actuallly if you do use your sense most of the above are reasonably
    safe, but you've got to think about what you are doing & think about
    your online safety at all times...

    > 3a.) Do WinUpdates on a regular basis, but not en masse.


    I do agree that it is not wise to mass download all updates & patches
    & that you should do them one by one, when they are released (well
    after a time so that others can report any problems they find first),
    excpet of course if you are doind a fresh install, but then you
    download the ones you know are ok. I must admit though I have
    personally had very little trouble with any of them ( but maybe I'm
    lucky).

    Anyway I've rambled enough & the Tamazipan have kicked in.

    Good night to you all, be safe, be careful I've got a feeling it will
    get worse before it gets better..

    --
    B-)
    Life is pain.....
    Deal with it!!
    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
    #19
  20. Plato

    Kraftee Guest

    Will Denny wrote:
    > Hey Kraftee
    >
    > Good posting, although I would to disagree with you on your comment
    > about 'the unwashed'. You have to remember that a lot of XP users
    > are 'upgraders', some from Win 95, and have to take XP very
    > carefully.


    That used to be true, but not anymore as XP Home appears to be the OS
    of choice with all new machines now so the uninitiated are thrown in
    the deep end as soon as they buy a PC...
    >
    > You couldn't/didn't help your colleague at work - no wonder the
    > 'nasty' has spread so rapidly. 'virgin' install, not a 'clean'
    > install - I know that you will tell me the difference.


    Same difference, installs which have never even seen the Update page,
    any update page in fact (AV or Firewall either)
    >
    > In reference to your last paragraph - are you learning or helping?


    If any of us are honest it's got to be both as no one knows everything
    & anybody who thinks they do knows nothing, hopefully the day I stop
    will be the day I'm dead...

    Anyway I was going to bed 45 minutes ago, but I've been enjoying this
    to much to leave.

    Wonder if anybody has noticed any degrading of the network for the
    last few hours (due to Sobig) I know I haven't but then again I
    haven't really looked as my favourite site has dissapeared over the
    last few days anyway...

    I've said it before nite nite, the nurse will have a go at me tomorrow
    if she finds out :-S
    --
    B-)
    Life is pain.....
    Deal with it!!
    Kraftee, Aug 23, 2003
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