Sipgate issues

Discussion in 'UK VOIP' started by PhilÅ, Aug 9, 2005.

  1. PhilÅ

    Paul Cupis Guest

    Re: BT Problems - "Almost everying BT do, they muck up"

    Ad C wrote:
    > In article <ddo8o1$h48$>, says...
    >>Making unsubstantiated claims doesn't help anybody, making statistics up
    >>is not useful. Certainly I'm not claiming that 0% of BT customers has
    >>ever had a problem, but unless the poster can cite reference to the 1%,
    >>I'm inclined to think that it is made-up.

    >
    > Try reading a bit more, also try talking to more people, and look on the
    > internet.


    I'm not saying that people do not have trouble with BT. I am sure as you
    are that they do. Where is this "1%" from? Why not 5%? Why not 0.1%?
     
    Paul Cupis, Aug 14, 2005
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  2. PhilÅ

    Paul Cupis Guest

    Ad C wrote:
    > In article <ddo5ad$g5b$>, says...
    >>>There are nore than 1% of the population that have problems with BT.

    >>
    >>How do you know this? Please cite your evidence.

    >
    > Maybe you should do some more reading. I read it in a newspaper a few
    > months back, that over 40% of Bt customers have had problems.


    Thank you.

    Now another question - why say "more than 1%" when you know the number
    is neaer 40% - obviously your statement hold true in this case, but I
    would have thought it more useful to state the larger figure?
     
    Paul Cupis, Aug 14, 2005
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  3. PhilÅ

    Al Guest

    On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:50:45 +0100, Ad C wrote:

    >Maybe you should do some more reading. I read it in a newspaper a few
    >months back, that over 40% of Bt customers have had problems.


    It's true that I am a BT customer and have experienced problems with
    an ingrowing toenail. I wonder how many of the reported 40% had
    similar problems?
     
    Al, Aug 14, 2005
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  4. PhilÅ

    Paul Cupis Guest

    Phil Thompson wrote:
    > On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:16:30 +0100, Paul Cupis <>
    > wrote:
    >>How do you know this? Please cite your evidence.

    >
    > http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/oftel/publications/consumer/data1200.htm#TABLE A
    > is a bit old, but the nubers are all less than 1 per 10,000 customers


    Which is a lot less that "Ad C"s 40%
    (<>) which suggests then
    that his article was using different metrics to come to a figure. It's
    be useful to see "Ad C" reference to compare.
     
    Paul Cupis, Aug 14, 2005
    #64
  5. PhilÅ

    Sean Guest

    Al wrote:
    > On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:43:31 +0100, Sean wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>I am rather impressed with the voicemail on justdialvoip, it allows you
    >>to have something like this for your greeting:
    >>
    >>"Sorry, i cant take your call, you may leave a message or have your call
    >>transfered to my mobile, or office phone. Please press 1 to be
    >>transfered to my mobile, or 2 for my office, otherwise leave a message
    >>after the tone." Genious!

    >
    >
    > How much do these geniuses charge you for transferring incoming calls
    > to your mobile or office?
    >

    Same as a normal call. Depends on the chosen plan. Mobiles in evening
    are 20p for 20mins
     
    Sean, Aug 14, 2005
    #65
  6. PhilÅ

    Al Guest

    Re: BT Problems - "Almost everying BT do, they muck up"

    On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:53:16 +0100, Ad C wrote:

    >why on earth do you speak to Bt every weekday for?


    Perhaps because it's part of his job?
     
    Al, Aug 15, 2005
    #66
  7. PhilÅ

    Ad C Guest

    In article <ddofq3$j18$>, says...

    > Thank you.
    >
    > Now another question - why say "more than 1%" when you know the number
    > is neaer 40% - obviously your statement hold true in this case, but I
    > would have thought it more useful to state the larger figure?
    >


    Because I was replying to your message, I did not see the need to go
    into details. Do not ask me what paper, I read lots of newspapers at
    work, on break, depending what paper is on te tables to read.
     
    Ad C, Aug 15, 2005
    #67
  8. PhilÅ

    Ad C Guest

    In article <>, lid
    says...

    > It's true that I am a BT customer and have experienced problems with
    > an ingrowing toenail. I wonder how many of the reported 40% had
    > similar problems?
    >



    You are just being stupid. give people more credit.
     
    Ad C, Aug 15, 2005
    #68
  9. PhilÅ

    Ad C Guest

    Re: BT Problems - "Almost everying BT do, they muck up"

    In article <ddofne$j18$>, says...
    > Ad C wrote:
    > > In article <ddo8o1$h48$>, says...
    > >>Making unsubstantiated claims doesn't help anybody, making statistics up
    > >>is not useful. Certainly I'm not claiming that 0% of BT customers has
    > >>ever had a problem, but unless the poster can cite reference to the 1%,
    > >>I'm inclined to think that it is made-up.

    > >
    > > Try reading a bit more, also try talking to more people, and look on the
    > > internet.

    >
    > I'm not saying that people do not have trouble with BT. I am sure as you
    > are that they do. Where is this "1%" from? Why not 5%? Why not 0.1%?
    >



    Maybe you should read the thread a bit more and see why said more than
    1%?
     
    Ad C, Aug 15, 2005
    #69
  10. PhilÅ

    Ad C Guest

    Re: BT Problems - "Almost everying BT do, they muck up"

    In article <>, lid
    says...
    > On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:53:16 +0100, Ad C wrote:
    >
    > >why on earth do you speak to Bt every weekday for?

    >
    > Perhaps because it's part of his job?
    >
    >

    Poor sole,
     
    Ad C, Aug 15, 2005
    #70
  11. PhilÅ

    Ad C Guest

    In article <ddofta$j18$>, says...
    >
    > Which is a lot less that "Ad C"s 40%
    > (<>) which suggests then
    > that his article was using different metrics to come to a figure. It's
    > be useful to see "Ad C" reference to compare.
    >


    I got it from a newspaper who did a survey, not everyone who complains
    get in touch with Ofcom.
     
    Ad C, Aug 15, 2005
    #71
  12. PhilÅ

    Al Guest

    Re: BT Problems - "Almost everying BT do, they muck up"

    On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:27:58 +0100, Ad C wrote:

    >Poor sole,


    That comment is out of plaice.
     
    Al, Aug 15, 2005
    #72
  13. PhilÅ

    Paul Cupis Guest

    Ad C wrote:
    > In article <ddofq3$j18$>, says...
    >>Thank you.
    >>
    >>Now another question - why say "more than 1%" when you know the number
    >>is neaer 40% - obviously your statement hold true in this case, but I
    >>would have thought it more useful to state the larger figure?

    >
    > Because I was replying to your message,


    Not my message, but I see your point.
     
    Paul Cupis, Aug 15, 2005
    #73
  14. PhilÅ

    Paul Cupis Guest

    Ad C wrote:
    > In article <ddofta$j18$>, says...
    >>Which is a lot less that "Ad C"s 40%
    >>(<>) which suggests then
    >>that his article was using different metrics to come to a figure. It's
    >>be useful to see "Ad C" reference to compare.

    >
    > I got it from a newspaper who did a survey, not everyone who complains
    > get in touch with Ofcom.


    No, I don't suppose they do. It would still interest me to see the
    article. And don't be defensive, I'm not asking you to provide it,
    you've already said that you don't recall exactly where you read it,
    others might.
     
    Paul Cupis, Aug 15, 2005
    #74
  15. PhilÅ

    Ad C Guest

    In article <ddqhm4$19j1$>,
    says...
    >> >

    > > Because I was replying to your message,

    >
    > Not my message, but I see your point.
    >


    Sorry and thanks.
     
    Ad C, Aug 16, 2005
    #75
  16. PhilÅ

    Ad C Guest

    In article <ddqhpc$19j1$>,
    says...
    >
    > No, I don't suppose they do. It would still interest me to see the


    It would interest me to find it again as well


    > article. And don't be defensive, I'm not asking you to provide it,


    I did not think I was.


    > you've already said that you don't recall exactly where you read it,
    > others might.
    >


    You never know.,
     
    Ad C, Aug 16, 2005
    #76
  17. PhilÅ

    Ad C Guest

    Re: BT Problems - "Almost everying BT do, they muck up"

    In article <>, lid
    says...
    > On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:27:58 +0100, Ad C wrote:
    >
    > >Poor sole,

    >
    > That comment is out of plaice.
    >
    >

    why? I feel sorry for anyone who need to get in touch with BT. Come to
    think of it the way things are at the moment, with so many Indian call
    centers, most companies are the same these days.
     
    Ad C, Aug 16, 2005
    #77
  18. Re: BT Problems - "Almost everying BT do, they muck up"

    "Ad C" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <>, lid
    > says...
    >> On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:27:58 +0100, Ad C wrote:
    >>
    >> >Poor sole,

    >>
    >> That comment is out of plaice.
    >>
    >>

    > why? I feel sorry for anyone who need to get in touch with BT. Come to
    > think of it the way things are at the moment, with so many Indian call
    > centers, most companies are the same these days.


    Eel feel sorry when it dawns on him.
     
    Neil \(The Geriatric Hippy\), Aug 16, 2005
    #78
  19. PhilÅ

    Al Guest

    Re: BT Problems - "Almost everying BT do, they muck up"

    On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:25:13 +0100, Ad C wrote:

    >In article <>, lid
    >says...
    >> On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:27:58 +0100, Ad C wrote:
    >>
    >> >Poor sole,

    >>
    >> That comment is out of plaice.
    >>
    >>

    >why? I feel sorry for anyone who need to get in touch with BT. Come to
    >think of it the way things are at the moment, with so many Indian call
    >centers, most companies are the same these days.


    You sound a bit fishy to me.
     
    Al, Aug 16, 2005
    #79
  20. PhilÅ

    Ivor Jones Guest

    Re: BT Problems - "Almost everying BT do, they muck up"

    "Neil (The Geriatric Hippy)" <g3uvqAThotmailDOTcom> wrote
    in message
    news:43018b27$0$1231$
    > "Ad C" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > In article
    > > <>,
    > > lid says...
    > > > On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:27:58 +0100, Ad C wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Poor sole,
    > > >
    > > > That comment is out of plaice.
    > > >
    > > >

    > > why? I feel sorry for anyone who need to get in touch
    > > with BT. Come to think of it the way things are at the
    > > moment, with so many Indian call centers, most
    > > companies are the same these days.

    >
    > Eel feel sorry when it dawns on him.


    Cod be interesting..!

    Sounds fishy to me though....

    Ivor
     
    Ivor Jones, Aug 16, 2005
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