SD card readers - on speeds & do page size issues exist?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Nil Einne, Mar 15, 2005.

  1. Nil Einne

    Nil Einne Guest

    Hey all,

    I have always assumed that mostly all USB 2.0 SD card readers (multi
    or SD only) should have no problem reading and writing at
    approximately the same speed (dependent on the card and any issues
    with the way your system is set up). In other words, a the speed of a
    high speed USB 2.0 compliant card readers should not vary
    significantly between readers.

    However, when doing some research in another matter I came up with
    this statement:

    "Word of warning: Not all USB(2) card readers handle SD cards with
    512Mb memory pages (i.e. 1Gb and above...) Some readers were designed
    for the older 128Mb paging spec and cause serious performance
    issues...."

    Does anyone know if this issue really exists and some card readers
    have performance issues with 512 mb memory pages? If so, anyone know
    how to find out whether a card reader has this issue, other then by
    asking the manufacturer who might not know?

    Secondly, anyone have any experience or heard of any SD card readers
    being significantly slower then other readers, assuming all are really
    USB 2.0 highspeed devices (and don't just say they are USB 2.0 when
    they aren't actually USB 2.0). Anyone know why such issues could
    exist?

    Also, I'm mainly looking at the theory now. I'm not particularly
    interested in a list of card readers that are fast at the moment.

    Thanks all
     
    Nil Einne, Mar 15, 2005
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  2. Nil Einne

    Alan Guest

    "Nil Einne" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hey all,
    >
    > I have always assumed that mostly all USB 2.0 SD card readers (multi
    > or SD only) should have no problem reading and writing at
    > approximately the same speed (dependent on the card and any issues
    > with the way your system is set up). In other words, a the speed of a
    > high speed USB 2.0 compliant card readers should not vary
    > significantly between readers.
    >
    > However, when doing some research in another matter I came up with
    > this statement:
    >
    > "Word of warning: Not all USB(2) card readers handle SD cards with
    > 512Mb memory pages (i.e. 1Gb and above...) Some readers were designed
    > for the older 128Mb paging spec and cause serious performance
    > issues...."
    >
    > Does anyone know if this issue really exists and some card readers
    > have performance issues with 512 mb memory pages? If so, anyone know
    > how to find out whether a card reader has this issue, other then by
    > asking the manufacturer who might not know?
    >
    > Secondly, anyone have any experience or heard of any SD card readers
    > being significantly slower then other readers, assuming all are really
    > USB 2.0 highspeed devices (and don't just say they are USB 2.0 when
    > they aren't actually USB 2.0). Anyone know why such issues could
    > exist?
    >
    > Also, I'm mainly looking at the theory now. I'm not particularly
    > interested in a list of card readers that are fast at the moment.
    >
    > Thanks all


    You can avoid the problem by getting Card Export. You use the Palm as a card
    reader. It is even faster than my "real" card reader.
     
    Alan, Mar 15, 2005
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  3. Nil Einne

    Pete D Guest

    Seriously if there is a problem with the one you are using a new one will be
    $15-20, hardly and issue.

    "Nil Einne" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hey all,
    >
    > I have always assumed that mostly all USB 2.0 SD card readers (multi
    > or SD only) should have no problem reading and writing at
    > approximately the same speed (dependent on the card and any issues
    > with the way your system is set up). In other words, a the speed of a
    > high speed USB 2.0 compliant card readers should not vary
    > significantly between readers.
    >
    > However, when doing some research in another matter I came up with
    > this statement:
    >
    > "Word of warning: Not all USB(2) card readers handle SD cards with
    > 512Mb memory pages (i.e. 1Gb and above...) Some readers were designed
    > for the older 128Mb paging spec and cause serious performance
    > issues...."
    >
    > Does anyone know if this issue really exists and some card readers
    > have performance issues with 512 mb memory pages? If so, anyone know
    > how to find out whether a card reader has this issue, other then by
    > asking the manufacturer who might not know?
    >
    > Secondly, anyone have any experience or heard of any SD card readers
    > being significantly slower then other readers, assuming all are really
    > USB 2.0 highspeed devices (and don't just say they are USB 2.0 when
    > they aren't actually USB 2.0). Anyone know why such issues could
    > exist?
    >
    > Also, I'm mainly looking at the theory now. I'm not particularly
    > interested in a list of card readers that are fast at the moment.
    >
    > Thanks all
     
    Pete D, Mar 16, 2005
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  4. Nil Einne

    Nil Einne Guest

    "Alan" <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > You can avoid the problem by getting Card Export. You use the Palm as a card
    > reader. It is even faster than my "real" card reader.


    As said, I'm not particularly interested in brands of card readers at
    the moment. And perhaps I should have made this clear but I do not
    have a Palm. Yes perhaps I should not have posted to this group but I
    did make clear my question and the reason I posted to the Palm group
    is because it is something which a lot of Palm readers should have
    knowledge of.

    Also, I'm quite sceptical of your claim. This would suggest that card
    readers are slow and not capable of reading the maximum speed of a SD
    card which I have seen no evidence of in many cases. In fact, I have
    seen quite a lot of evidence the card reader in PDAs are very slow,
    especially with writing, altho admitedly this has been with Axims not
    Palms.

    In any case, even if I did have a Palm, there could be numerous
    reasons why I would want a card reader even if my Palm could do (which
    I doubt as said above). For example, it might be useful to take with
    me instead of my Palm if I just want to move data. Or for example, if
    I am forced to leave my Palm at work or whatever (say I'm going out
    for a night in town and don't regard my Palm as a suitable fashion
    accessory and don't want to leave it in my car) but still want to be
    able to carry my data around and read it at home. I'm sure I could
    come up with other reasons why I might want a card reader even if I
    did have a Palm but that's kind of pointless since want I want to do
    is up to me really... If it's not something you would do, well I never
    asked for suggestions on what else I can do mainly because I didn't
    want them.

    Thanks for the reply tho.
     
    Nil Einne, Mar 16, 2005
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  5. Nil Einne

    Nil Einne Guest

    "Pete D" <> wrote in message news:<_xRZd.304$>...
    > Seriously if there is a problem with the one you are using a new one will be
    > $15-20, hardly and issue.


    Perhaps I should have made this more clear but I do not have a card
    reader at the moment. Even if I did have a card reader, I also asked
    how to know if a (notice I never said my card reader) card reader has
    this problem since if I don't know, how am I going to know whether to
    buy a new one (assuming I had one which I don't)? Of course, I could
    test the speed but this is not very reliable since it's diffucult to
    test the reason for the slow speed. The own way I could think of to
    test the speed would be to get two cards exactly the same brand etc
    but one 512mb and one 1gb which isn't particularly pratical.

    However, I don't really see any reason to go into such details until I
    know if the issue actually exists. If it doesn't exist, we are
    basically discussing nothing.

    So again, does the issue exist?

    In case your wondering the reasons I don't want a list of brands which
    seem to work fast is because such a list is probably pointless to me
    since I probably couldn't get half the things on that list and the
    other half would be too expensive to consider unless perhaps there was
    a reason to consider them (such as if the issue existed). Bear in mind
    I never said I live in the US and I could be earning $1 a day so
    $15-$20 may very well be an issue.

    Thanks for the reply tho
     
    Nil Einne, Mar 16, 2005
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  6. Nil Einne

    Larry Guest

    In article <>, nil_einne1
    @email.com says...
    > "Pete D" <> wrote in message news:<_xRZd.304$>...
    > > Seriously if there is a problem with the one you are using a new one will be
    > > $15-20, hardly and issue.

    >
    > Perhaps I should have made this more clear but I do not have a card
    > reader at the moment. Even if I did have a card reader, I also asked
    > how to know if a (notice I never said my card reader) card reader has
    > this problem since if I don't know, how am I going to know whether to
    > buy a new one (assuming I had one which I don't)? Of course, I could
    > test the speed but this is not very reliable since it's diffucult to
    > test the reason for the slow speed. The own way I could think of to
    > test the speed would be to get two cards exactly the same brand etc
    > but one 512mb and one 1gb which isn't particularly pratical.
    >
    > However, I don't really see any reason to go into such details until I
    > know if the issue actually exists. If it doesn't exist, we are
    > basically discussing nothing.
    >
    > So again, does the issue exist?
    >
    > In case your wondering the reasons I don't want a list of brands which
    > seem to work fast is because such a list is probably pointless to me
    > since I probably couldn't get half the things on that list and the
    > other half would be too expensive to consider unless perhaps there was
    > a reason to consider them (such as if the issue existed). Bear in mind
    > I never said I live in the US and I could be earning $1 a day so
    > $15-$20 may very well be an issue.
    >
    > Thanks for the reply tho
    >



    Whether or not a "Card Reader" will work (or work well) for any given memory
    card, at any given time, is much more dependant on the operating system of
    the computer you are connecting it to.

    That has been my experience.

    Windows 95, 98, and to some extent 98se, are problematic in their acceptance
    of card readers of the USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 breed.

    Until and unless the OS is at the level of Windows 2000/Xp, card reader
    performance can be perfect on some machines, and sporadic on others.

    I must also tell you that I have two card readers that came labeled USB 2.0
    ONLY on their package. True to form, they will connect to USB 1.0, but will
    not reliably work. To use them this way requires copying files ONE AT A TIME
    or they will cause unusual errors, and may trash the file structure. Both of
    these card readers are DAZZLE multi-card readers purchased at Radio Shack.

    I have several card readers that wouldn't work at all with Windows 98, only
    worked poorly with 98se, and work perfectly with Windows XP (until service
    pack 2 which made one of them fail). All of these are USB 2.0 (and USB 1.0
    backward compatible)

    As with all things, if you get your card reader for $6 to $8 (US) then the
    chances of it being "Flakey" are better than if you paid $15 to $30 (US).

    Your country of origin doesn't enter the equation, not does the wage you
    earn, you still get what you pay for no matter how much or how little you
    earn.

    As for knowing if there is a problem with the card reader, there is no way to
    know in advance whether its about to fail. Your first warning (in my
    experience) will be a failure.

    At home, Im never in a hurry to get the pictures off my cards, so I use
    whatever is attatched to the computer Im using. Sometimes that is only a USB
    cable to hook to the camera.

    At an event, where Im doing "On site delivery" of proofs, speed becomes
    important, and I use a computer that has a "built-in" card reader hooked to a
    proprietary motherboard connection. Then, and only then does the "card
    speed" make a difference to me, as I need to get the pictures into Photoshop,
    and sent to the proof printer as fast as possible.


    --
    Larry Lynch
    Mystic, Ct.
     
    Larry, Mar 16, 2005
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  7. Nil Einne

    Alan Guest

    "Nil Einne" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Alan" <> wrote in message

    news:<>...
    > > You can avoid the problem by getting Card Export. You use the Palm as a

    card
    > > reader. It is even faster than my "real" card reader.

    >
    > As said, I'm not particularly interested in brands of card readers at
    > the moment. And perhaps I should have made this clear but I do not
    > have a Palm. Yes perhaps I should not have posted to this group but I
    > did make clear my question and the reason I posted to the Palm group
    > is because it is something which a lot of Palm readers should have
    > knowledge of.
    >
    > Also, I'm quite sceptical of your claim. This would suggest that card
    > readers are slow and not capable of reading the maximum speed of a SD
    > card which I have seen no evidence of in many cases. In fact, I have
    > seen quite a lot of evidence the card reader in PDAs are very slow,
    > especially with writing, altho admitedly this has been with Axims not
    > Palms.


    The word is "skeptical", not "sceptical", and I don't care what you think
    you know. All I said was _my_ card reader is not as fast, not _all_ card
    readers...

    >
    > In any case, even if I did have a Palm, there could be numerous
    > reasons why I would want a card reader even if my Palm could do (which
    > I doubt as said above). For example, it might be useful to take with
    > me instead of my Palm if I just want to move data. Or for example, if
    > I am forced to leave my Palm at work or whatever (say I'm going out
    > for a night in town and don't regard my Palm as a suitable fashion
    > accessory and don't want to leave it in my car) but still want to be
    > able to carry my data around and read it at home. I'm sure I could
    > come up with other reasons why I might want a card reader even if I
    > did have a Palm but that's kind of pointless since want I want to do
    > is up to me really... If it's not something you would do, well I never
    > asked for suggestions on what else I can do mainly because I didn't
    > want them.


    Sorry, my crystal ball is in the shop, and my computer's psychic interface
    has a bug. So, unless you ask the question you really want an answer to, you
    will get an answer (or suggestions regarding) to the question you actually
    asked.

    >
    > Thanks for the reply tho.


    You're welcome.
     
    Alan, Mar 16, 2005
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  8. Nil Einne

    alan smith Guest

    "Alan" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    |
    | "Nil Einne" <> wrote in message
    | news:...
    | > "Alan" <> wrote in message
    | news:<>...

    |
    | The word is "skeptical", not "sceptical", and I don't care what you
    think
    | you know. All I said was _my_ card reader is not as fast, not _all_
    card
    | readers...
    |


    The language is English, the spelling is sceptical. If you are American
    you lost the spelling of the word as you crossed the Atlantic Ocean and
    changed the spelling of it (and other words) probably because of lack
    of education, wanting to be different, or whatever reason you want to
    use.
     
    alan smith, Mar 16, 2005
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  9. alan smith wrote:
    > "Alan" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > |
    > | "Nil Einne" <> wrote in message
    > | news:...
    > | > "Alan" <> wrote in message
    > | news:<>...
    >
    > |
    > | The word is "skeptical", not "sceptical", and I don't care what you
    > think
    > | you know. All I said was _my_ card reader is not as fast, not _all_
    > card
    > | readers...
    > |
    >
    >
    > The language is English, the spelling is sceptical. If you are American
    > you lost the spelling of the word as you crossed the Atlantic Ocean and
    > changed the spelling of it (and other words) probably because of lack
    > of education, wanting to be different, or whatever reason you want to
    > use.


    Actually, no, the correct spelling is "skeptical", from Gk σκεπτικός.
    It's not America's fault if the English feel so inferior to the French
    that they have to Frenchify their spellings.

    ---
    John W. Kennedy
    Read the remains of Shakespeare's lost play, now annotated!
    http://pws.prserv.net/jwkennedy/Double Falshood/index.html
     
    John W. Kennedy, Mar 16, 2005
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  10. Nil Einne

    Big Bill Guest

    On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:08:46 -0500, "John W. Kennedy"
    <> wrote:

    >alan smith wrote:
    >> "Alan" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> |
    >> | "Nil Einne" <> wrote in message
    >> | news:...
    >> | > "Alan" <> wrote in message
    >> | news:<>...
    >>
    >> |
    >> | The word is "skeptical", not "sceptical", and I don't care what you
    >> think
    >> | you know. All I said was _my_ card reader is not as fast, not _all_
    >> card
    >> | readers...
    >> |
    >>
    >>
    >> The language is English, the spelling is sceptical. If you are American
    >> you lost the spelling of the word as you crossed the Atlantic Ocean and
    >> changed the spelling of it (and other words) probably because of lack
    >> of education, wanting to be different, or whatever reason you want to
    >> use.

    >
    >Actually, no, the correct spelling is "skeptical", from Gk ?????????.
    >It's not America's fault if the English feel so inferior to the French
    >that they have to Frenchify their spellings.


    Actually, most dictionaries (including M-W.com) see sceptical as a
    variant of skeptical. So sceptical is OK.
    http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sceptical&x=0&y=0
    --
    Bill Funk
    Change "g" to "a"
     
    Big Bill, Mar 17, 2005
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  11. Nil Einne

    Pete D Guest

    Bear in mind
    > I never said I live in the US and I could be earning $1 a day so
    > $15-$20 may very well be an issue.


    I assume that you can access the internet and you do have a digital camera
    that you are not living on the street, if it is an issue you won't be buying
    one anyway ya dickhead.
     
    Pete D, Mar 17, 2005
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  12. Nil Einne

    Nil Einne Guest

    "Alan" <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > The word is "skeptical", not "sceptical", and I don't care what you think
    > you know. All I said was _my_ card reader is not as fast, not _all_ card
    > readers...


    OMFG, I'm going to fail my English exam. Ooops wait a minute this
    wasn't an English exam. It's lucky since English is my nineth language
    so it isn't perfect. (Actually it isn't but the point remains, I don't
    care if my English is perfect all the time and don't get why anyone
    else except my former English teachers perhaps would) Perhaps if I
    were criticising your English you could complain but since I wasn't
    I'm kind of confused as to why you care?

    BTW, the tone of your post did suggest you were implying that you
    think it's a bad idea to buy a card reader as they tend to be slower
    then Palms. A diff way to phrase it may have been "However in my
    specific case, my Palm was faster then my card reader so you might
    want to consider whether you actually need a card reader". I didn't
    say I know anything BTW. I simply said that based on my research, I
    was skeptical (ooops there I go again) this was the case. You didn't
    mentioned whether you had a USB2.0 highspeed card reader for example
    or how you tested or even what speeds you got or anything to give me
    any degree of confidence in your results comapred to the other things
    I had read which as mentioned I was still somewhat skeptical (yet
    again) of but gave me more info then what you did. You may not know
    this but if you don't have a USB2.0 high speed card reader your
    results are totally insignificant and should not be considered or
    mentioned really.

    > Sorry, my crystal ball is in the shop, and my computer's psychic interface
    > has a bug. So, unless you ask the question you really want an answer to, you
    > will get an answer (or suggestions regarding) to the question you actually
    > asked.


    I did ask the question I want the answer to. I never said, I want to
    know if I should buy a card reader or use my palm nor did I say I want
    to know if I should buy a card reader nor did I ever suggest in any
    way I was considering not getting a card reader.

    I simply asked whether the issues I mentioned were known to exist with
    card readers. So as said, it might be helpful if in the future, you
    don't answer what you want the question to be but answer the actual
    question. As an US-American (I assume since you seem to have all the
    hallmarks of a US-American poster, forgive me if I was wrong), perhaps
    since they don't appear to like tests in your country, you aren't used
    to actually answering the question asked but in most countries it is
    in fact normal to answer the questions asked not what you want the
    question to be or the answer you have to a question which was not
    asked.

    But it is up to you. I thanked you in my earlier post as I think it's
    good that some people bother to reply but I do recommend you read the
    post properly and answer the question asked and maybe related if you
    think it may help by the post. However, if there is no suggestion the
    person was looking for the only answer you have, you could make a
    polite test post asking about this e.g. why do you want a card reader
    anyway? I have found my Palm tends to be faster then my card reader"
    rather then simply assuming your answer is going to help me when I
    suggest in any way that your answer would. In the end, you just
    frustrate people by making such assumptions. At least you didn't make
    the fatal flaw that some many of your fellow countrymen make and
    assume I lived in the US which is probably one of the msot annoying
    aspects of usenet posters from your country especially. So I give you
    credit for this.
     
    Nil Einne, Mar 20, 2005
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  13. Nil Einne

    alan smith Guest

    "Big Bill" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:08:46 -0500, "John W. Kennedy"
    | <> wrote:
    |
    | >alan smith wrote:
    | >> "Alan" <> wrote in message
    | >> news:...
    | >> |
    | >> | "Nil Einne" <> wrote in message
    | >> | news:...
    | >> | > "Alan" <> wrote in message
    | >> | news:<>...
    | >>
    | >> |
    | >> | The word is "skeptical", not "sceptical", and I don't care what
    you
    | >> think
    | >> | you know. All I said was _my_ card reader is not as fast, not
    _all_
    | >> card
    | >> | readers...
    | >> |
    | >>
    | >>
    | >> The language is English, the spelling is sceptical. If you are
    American
    | >> you lost the spelling of the word as you crossed the Atlantic
    Ocean and
    | >> changed the spelling of it (and other words) probably because of
    lack
    | >> of education, wanting to be different, or whatever reason you want
    to
    | >> use.
    | >
    | >Actually, no, the correct spelling is "skeptical", from Gk
    ?????????.
    | >It's not America's fault if the English feel so inferior to the
    French
    | >that they have to Frenchify their spellings.
    |
    | Actually, most dictionaries (including M-W.com) see sceptical as a
    | variant of skeptical. So sceptical is OK.
    |
    http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sceptical&x=0&y=0
    | --
    | Bill Funk


    My (not American) English dictionary does this the other way round-
    skeptical is the option and it has esp. American as a note.
     
    alan smith, Mar 20, 2005
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  14. Nil Einne

    Nil Einne Guest

    Firstly thanks for the reply

    Larry <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > Whether or not a "Card Reader" will work (or work well) for any given memory
    > card, at any given time, is much more dependant on the operating system of
    > the computer you are connecting it to.
    >
    > That has been my experience.
    >
    > Windows 95, 98, and to some extent 98se, are problematic in their acceptance
    > of card readers of the USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 breed.
    >
    > Until and unless the OS is at the level of Windows 2000/Xp, card reader
    > performance can be perfect on some machines, and sporadic on others.

    Well since they don't have drives and don't support USB2.0 properly
    this doesn't surprise me. But to be honest I don't really care that
    much about this issue since I doubt there is going to depend on the
    card reader much so it's not something I can test beforehand. Also I
    don't use Windows 98 :)
    >
    > I must also tell you that I have two card readers that came labeled USB 2.0
    > ONLY on their package. True to form, they will connect to USB 1.0, but will
    > not reliably work. To use them this way requires copying files ONE AT A TIME
    > or they will cause unusual errors, and may trash the file structure. Both of
    > these card readers are DAZZLE multi-card readers purchased at Radio Shack.


    Hmm intestesintg. I was under the impression that USB2.0 was
    completely backwards compatible. Maybe this had something to do with
    some sort of OTG support or something?

    > I have several card readers that wouldn't work at all with Windows 98, only
    > worked poorly with 98se, and work perfectly with Windows XP (until service
    > pack 2 which made one of them fail). All of these are USB 2.0 (and USB 1.0
    > backward compatible)
    >
    > As with all things, if you get your card reader for $6 to $8 (US) then the
    > chances of it being "Flakey" are better than if you paid $15 to $30 (US).

    Actually, I wouldn't totally agree. It's true to some extent in my
    country but only to some extent. It's not as reliable as it would be
    in the US or some parts of Europe. You may not realise, but in other
    countries, quality is actually only a small part of the equation.
    Brand name is in fact very important and other issues like the shop
    selling the product, whether the product is widelyt available
    elesewhere, the policies of the supplier etc can mean a crappy product
    is often a lot more expensive then a good one.


    > Your country of origin doesn't enter the equation, not does the wage you
    > earn, you still get what you pay for no matter how much or how little you
    > earn.

    This is irrelavant and it does enter the equation (read above). I was
    simply pointing out that paying $15 for a card reader I don't need if
    I already had a card reader (which I don't but is irrelevant for now)
    is stupid if I hadn't tested to determine whether my card reader could
    handle my needs. It's even more stupid if I only earn $1 a month.

    > As for knowing if there is a problem with the card reader, there is no way to
    > know in advance whether its about to fail. Your first warning (in my
    > experience) will be a failure.

    Er this had nothing to do with anything. Please follow the thread. I'm
    not in any way asking whether my card reader was about to fail simply
    asking whether there was a way to test whether a card reader suffered
    from the memory page issue, if it existed.

    > At home, Im never in a hurry to get the pictures off my cards, so I use
    > whatever is attatched to the computer Im using. Sometimes that is only a USB
    > cable to hook to the camera.
    >
    > At an event, where Im doing "On site delivery" of proofs, speed becomes
    > important, and I use a computer that has a "built-in" card reader hooked to a
    > proprietary motherboard connection. Then, and only then does the "card
    > speed" make a difference to me, as I need to get the pictures into Photoshop,
    > and sent to the proof printer as fast as possible.


    Good for you but I don't really care about your life, no offense. I
    simply wanted to know whether the memory page issue exists and whether
    any other issues with a memory card reader speeds existed. Some of
    your answers were somewhat relevant but the others... I actually
    should have made this clear but I was mainly looking at technical
    construction which would make a USB2.0 card reader significantly
    slower assuming everythign else is ideal for optimal speed. I.E. only
    want to look at difference in the card reader that makes things slower
    not issues in general. I did not make this clear tho and apologise
    since your assumptions in this matter (about OSes, USB2.0 speed etc)
    are quite relevant as I did not.
     
    Nil Einne, Mar 20, 2005
    #14
  15. Nil Einne

    Nil Einne Guest

    "Pete D" <> wrote in message news:<0X9_d.1175$>...
    > Bear in mind
    > > I never said I live in the US and I could be earning $1 a day so
    > > $15-$20 may very well be an issue.

    >
    > I assume that you can access the internet and you do have a digital camera
    > that you are not living on the street, if it is an issue you won't be buying
    > one anyway ya dickhead.


    Well I did never say I had a digital camera. Maybe I want a card
    reader for my cyber cafe I am setting up for which I took out a 200%
    interest loan. Whatever the case, the fact remains, buying a new card
    reader when there is nothing wrong with my card reader is just plain
    stupid whereever I live, except in aussie I suppose since you do tend
    to waste money on stuff
     
    Nil Einne, Mar 20, 2005
    #15
  16. Nil Einne

    Mental Guest

    In article <>,
    (Nil Einne) wrote:

    > "Pete D" <> wrote in message
    > news:<_xRZd.304$>...
    > > Seriously if there is a problem with the one you are using a new one will
    > > be
    > > $15-20, hardly and issue.


    Just like some OSs cannot "recognize" larger hard drives, such is the
    case. Plus, "issues" are often part of how well-built the
    manufacturer's product is and where they purchase their parts from.

    ~gOD~
     
    Mental, Mar 27, 2005
    #16
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