Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by skarkada@gmail.com, Apr 11, 2007.

  1. Guest

    Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review

    I just received this device yesterday. I got to play with for about an
    hour so far. So, this review is going to be "first impressions" or
    "initial quality" review.

    Quality, packaging, instruction manuals, and supplied accessories all
    look good quality.

    I couldn't find an SD card in the packaging. I did have a 2GB memory
    card with me, so I was OK.

    I could put in the battery, charge the device, take a couple of
    pictures, and a couple of videos without even reading the quick
    reference manual. I would call that intuitive enough and user
    friendly.

    Quality of the pictures and video is acceptable considering that I
    used the device straight out of the box without adjusting any
    settings. Actually pictures and video looked much better on my home
    LCD monitor, but looked pathetic on my work CRT monitor. (This is not
    the first time I have experienced this.)

    I have played the video on a 61" widescreen HD TV using S-Video cable
    and the quality was acceptable. Nothing compared to off-the-air HD
    programming, but it was not bad at all.

    I have placed a couple of pictures and videos at this URL:
    http://skarkada.googlepages.com/sanyoxactihd2versuscanons1is

    I will come back here and update the review over the next week.
     
    , Apr 11, 2007
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  2. S. Whitmore Guest

    On 11 Apr 2007 07:31:17 -0700, wrote:

    >Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review


    Thanks for sharing your comments and photo/video samples. I've been
    interested in this camera as a possible replacement for a Canon S2 IS
    (which has ended up being used for much more video than was originally
    intended).

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    S. Whitmore, Apr 11, 2007
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  3. Just D Guest

    > Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review

    You know there is another NG: uk.rec.video.digital with many people playing
    digital video who could be much more interested than the people here in this
    newsgroup. Just my opinion.

    Just D.
     
    Just D, Apr 12, 2007
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  4. S. Whitmore Guest

    On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:53:04 -0700, "Just D" <> wrote:

    >> Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review

    >
    >You know there is another NG: uk.rec.video.digital with many people playing
    >digital video who could be much more interested than the people here in this
    >newsgroup. Just my opinion.


    Why use a UK-specific newsgroup for something this general?

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    S. Whitmore, Apr 12, 2007
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  5. Just D Guest

    "S. Whitmore"
    >>> Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review

    >>
    >>You know there is another NG: uk.rec.video.digital with many people
    >>playing
    >>digital video who could be much more interested than the people here in
    >>this
    >>newsgroup. Just my opinion.

    >
    > Why use a UK-specific newsgroup for something this general?


    Maybe just because I didn't find anything more appropriate on the Internet
    for the digital video. And I really love this group, I spent there several
    years and I'm still there. The team is looking very professional. Some guys
    spent their lives working at BBC, other TV and Video companies and they know
    what they are writing about. Also there are many other guys who love that
    and all they are always ready to share their personal experience, opinions,
    skills and to listen for others. What's the difference if it's the UK based?
    Are you sure that you wouldn't understand this language? :) PAL/SECAM/NTSC
    are not very critical when we're talking about digital video there. But the
    video related people is a much better place for discussions.

    As I said it's my personal opinion, it can be easily ignored if you think
    that the video camcorder review/experience should be shared to photo guys
    instead of video ones. :)

    Just D.
     
    Just D, Apr 12, 2007
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  6. S. Whitmore Guest

    On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:17:32 -0700, "Just D" <> wrote:

    >As I said it's my personal opinion, it can be easily ignored if you think
    >that the video camcorder review/experience should be shared to photo guys
    >instead of video ones. :)


    I don't doubt that the UK newsgroup participants might be interested
    and have valuable input, but you mentioned using that newsgroup
    instead of the current newsgroups. But the current newsgroups include
    one for photography (the camera does 7MP stills, so this is relevant)
    and two for video, all of which are global in scope and UK users can
    use them just fine. So, I thought you were suggesting moving it from
    the global video newsgroups to the UK-specific video newsgroup, which
    didn't make sense. But I think you probably didn't realize that this
    thread exists in two (global) video newsgroups in addition to the
    rec.photo.digital newsgroup.

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    S. Whitmore, Apr 12, 2007
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  7. Just D Guest

    "S. Whitmore"> didn't make sense. But I think you probably didn't realize
    that this
    > thread exists in two (global) video newsgroups in addition to the
    > rec.photo.digital newsgroup.


    Yea, you're right, sorry, just noticed the header.

    Just D.
     
    Just D, Apr 12, 2007
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  8. Guest

    Original Thread for the benefit of uk.rec.video.digital:
    http://groups.google.com/group/rec....anyo xacti HD2 review&rnum=1#08c1f3f37c231690

    Update:
    I have uploaded a couple of low light videos. Results are
    disappointing.

    I could quickly and easily compile and burn a DVD using the supplied
    ULead software. I didn't try any bells and wistles, just used the
    simplest path and I was done with the production process in about 10
    minutes. Burning process itself (with an 8x burner) took a long time
    (unattended). DVD played fine on a regular Panasonic DVD player.

    MiniDV based camcorders probably produce much better HD footage. But,
    that is not of much use for me, because burning a DVD out of MiniDV
    footage is very hard. I don't think I could have posted sample clips
    on the Internet so quickly if I were using a MiniDV camcorder. So,
    should we compromise on quality of the video or ease of sharing the
    footage?
     
    , Apr 12, 2007
    #8
  9. <> wrote ...
    > Update:
    > I have uploaded a couple of low light videos. Results are
    > disappointing.
    >
    > I could quickly and easily compile and burn a DVD using the supplied
    > ULead software. I didn't try any bells and wistles, just used the
    > simplest path and I was done with the production process in about 10
    > minutes. Burning process itself (with an 8x burner) took a long time
    > (unattended). DVD played fine on a regular Panasonic DVD player.


    I wonder if it was the burning itself, or the behind-the-scenes transcoding?

    > MiniDV based camcorders probably produce much better HD footage. But,
    > that is not of much use for me, because burning a DVD out of MiniDV
    > footage is very hard. I don't think I could have posted sample clips
    > on the Internet so quickly if I were using a MiniDV camcorder. So,
    > should we compromise on quality of the video or ease of sharing the
    > footage?


    Only you can answer that qustion for your situation. It is a classic
    tradeoff
    issue.
     
    Richard Crowley, Apr 12, 2007
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  10. wrote:
    > Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review

    [...]

    One question: The tech specs. at
    http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/produkte/tech_spezifikationen.asp?Xacti=HD2
    claim that the HD2 is capable of recording clips at 640x480 in _60_fps.

    The manual, downloadable at the same page:
    http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/support/manuals/SANYO_HD2_Kamera_en.pdf
    says 30 fps is the maximum and even states at page 78:

    * Video clips recorded using model VPC-HD1A or VPC-HD1 with the mode
    set to XXX (640 x 480 pixels, 60 fps) will be played back on this camera at
    a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels and frame rate 30 fps.

    Either of those two statements must be wrong.

    Can you tell us which statement is true?

    Regards,

    Peter Niemayer
     
    Peter Niemayer, May 8, 2007
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  11. Smarty Guest

    Peter,
    I certainly am not an expert on this camera, but there is nothing to say
    that these 2 statements are contradictory. One relates to recording rate,
    the other to playback rate. I assume your concern is the apparent
    disagreement between 30fps and 60fps? This camera could, for example, make
    60 fps recordings, but at playback time "skip" every 2nd frame, playing back
    therefore at 30 fps.

    Smarty


    "Peter Niemayer" <> wrote in message
    news:_IY%h.44$1.ch.colt.net...
    > wrote:
    >> Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review

    > [...]
    >
    > One question: The tech specs. at
    > http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/produkte/tech_spezifikationen.asp?Xacti=HD2
    > claim that the HD2 is capable of recording clips at 640x480 in _60_fps.
    >
    > The manual, downloadable at the same page:
    > http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/support/manuals/SANYO_HD2_Kamera_en.pdf
    > says 30 fps is the maximum and even states at page 78:
    >
    > * Video clips recorded using model VPC-HD1A or VPC-HD1 with the mode
    > set to XXX (640 x 480 pixels, 60 fps) will be played back on this
    > camera at
    > a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels and frame rate 30 fps.
    >
    > Either of those two statements must be wrong.
    >
    > Can you tell us which statement is true?
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Peter Niemayer
     
    Smarty, May 8, 2007
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  12. Smarty wrote:
    > Peter,
    > I certainly am not an expert on this camera, but there is nothing to say
    > that these 2 statements are contradictory. One relates to recording rate,
    > the other to playback rate. I assume your concern is the apparent
    > disagreement between 30fps and 60fps? This camera could, for example, make
    > 60 fps recordings, but at playback time "skip" every 2nd frame, playing back
    > therefore at 30 fps.


    If the HD2 was able to record 60fps (in whatever mode), the manual would
    certainly name that mode - as it names all the others (page 74, page 77 etc.) -
    but it doesn't. So from the manual it seems there's no way to record 60fps.

    And the fact that it mentions 60fps clips only to say that such recorded by
    the HD1(a) cannot be replayed at 60fps is a another indication that this
    feature is missing, right?

    So while you are formally right that the cited sentence alone would not rule
    out 60fps recordings, it seems very likely that this feature is gone.

    That's why I ask (somebody who actually own a HD2 already)...

    Regards,

    Peter Niemayer
     
    Peter Niemayer, May 8, 2007
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  13. Smarty Guest

    Peter,

    Also, since the older VPC-HD1A model may have a different file format or
    recording format, the newer HD2 may only allow older files to be played back
    at this downsampled 30 fps speed by "skipping" every other frame.

    Smarty


    "Peter Niemayer" <> wrote in message
    news:_IY%h.44$1.ch.colt.net...
    > wrote:
    >> Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review

    > [...]
    >
    > One question: The tech specs. at
    > http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/produkte/tech_spezifikationen.asp?Xacti=HD2
    > claim that the HD2 is capable of recording clips at 640x480 in _60_fps.
    >
    > The manual, downloadable at the same page:
    > http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/support/manuals/SANYO_HD2_Kamera_en.pdf
    > says 30 fps is the maximum and even states at page 78:
    >
    > * Video clips recorded using model VPC-HD1A or VPC-HD1 with the mode
    > set to XXX (640 x 480 pixels, 60 fps) will be played back on this
    > camera at
    > a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels and frame rate 30 fps.
    >
    > Either of those two statements must be wrong.
    >
    > Can you tell us which statement is true?
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Peter Niemayer
     
    Smarty, May 8, 2007
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  14. Smarty Guest

    If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying
    otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual to
    show such a contradiction.

    Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that the
    camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps?

    Smarty


    "Smarty" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Peter,
    >
    > Also, since the older VPC-HD1A model may have a different file format or
    > recording format, the newer HD2 may only allow older files to be played
    > back at this downsampled 30 fps speed by "skipping" every other frame.
    >
    > Smarty
    >
    >
    > "Peter Niemayer" <> wrote in message
    > news:_IY%h.44$1.ch.colt.net...
    >> wrote:
    >>> Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review

    >> [...]
    >>
    >> One question: The tech specs. at
    >> http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/produkte/tech_spezifikationen.asp?Xacti=HD2
    >> claim that the HD2 is capable of recording clips at 640x480 in _60_fps.
    >>
    >> The manual, downloadable at the same page:
    >> http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/support/manuals/SANYO_HD2_Kamera_en.pdf
    >> says 30 fps is the maximum and even states at page 78:
    >>
    >> * Video clips recorded using model VPC-HD1A or VPC-HD1 with the mode
    >> set to XXX (640 x 480 pixels, 60 fps) will be played back on this
    >> camera at
    >> a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels and frame rate 30 fps.
    >>
    >> Either of those two statements must be wrong.
    >>
    >> Can you tell us which statement is true?
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >>
    >> Peter Niemayer

    >
    >
     
    Smarty, May 8, 2007
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  15. Smarty Guest

    For whatever it is worth, the only samples from this camera on the web
    (mostly from Japan) are all 29.97 fps (mpeg4) files. I would imagine that
    60fps samples would be posted if the camera were truly able to record at
    that rate.

    Smarty


    "Smarty" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying
    > otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual
    > to show such a contradiction.
    >
    > Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that the
    > camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps?
    >
    > Smarty
    >
    >
    > "Smarty" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Peter,
    >>
    >> Also, since the older VPC-HD1A model may have a different file format or
    >> recording format, the newer HD2 may only allow older files to be played
    >> back at this downsampled 30 fps speed by "skipping" every other frame.
    >>
    >> Smarty
    >>
    >>
    >> "Peter Niemayer" <> wrote in message
    >> news:_IY%h.44$1.ch.colt.net...
    >>> wrote:
    >>>> Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
    >>> [...]
    >>>
    >>> One question: The tech specs. at
    >>> http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/produkte/tech_spezifikationen.asp?Xacti=HD2
    >>> claim that the HD2 is capable of recording clips at 640x480 in _60_fps.
    >>>
    >>> The manual, downloadable at the same page:
    >>> http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/support/manuals/SANYO_HD2_Kamera_en.pdf
    >>> says 30 fps is the maximum and even states at page 78:
    >>>
    >>> * Video clips recorded using model VPC-HD1A or VPC-HD1 with the mode
    >>> set to XXX (640 x 480 pixels, 60 fps) will be played back on this
    >>> camera at
    >>> a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels and frame rate 30 fps.
    >>>
    >>> Either of those two statements must be wrong.
    >>>
    >>> Can you tell us which statement is true?
    >>>
    >>> Regards,
    >>>
    >>> Peter Niemayer

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
    Smarty, May 8, 2007
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  16. Smarty wrote:
    > If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying
    > otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual to
    > show such a contradiction.


    How would one quote a non-existing statement?

    > Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that the
    > camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps?


    No, but there's neither any explanation of how one would enter a 60fps
    recording mode.

    "Proving" that the 60fps mode is non-existing within the HD only according
    to the existing manual is as impossible as proving the non-existence of
    any deity from a set of ancient books... :)

    Regards,

    Peter Niemayer

    PS: Of course I asked this question to the Sanyo-support, too, I'll let
    you know if I ever get an answer.
     
    Peter Niemayer, May 8, 2007
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  17. Peter Niemayer <> wrote in
    news:78%%h.46$1.ch.colt.net:

    > Smarty wrote:
    >> If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual
    >> saying otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote
    >> from the manual to show such a contradiction.

    >
    > How would one quote a non-existing statement?
    >
    >> Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states
    >> that the camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps?

    >
    > No, but there's neither any explanation of how one would enter a
    > 60fps recording mode.
    >
    > "Proving" that the 60fps mode is non-existing within the HD only
    > according to the existing manual is as impossible as proving the
    > non-existence of any deity from a set of ancient books... :)
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Peter Niemayer
    >
    > PS: Of course I asked this question to the Sanyo-support, too,
    > I'll let
    > you know if I ever get an answer.
    >


    Meanwhile, remember that 30 frames per second NTFS records 60 fields
    per second. Did you possibly misread a statement regarding *fields*
    as *frames*?

    Those things do happen :)

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    Gene E. Bloch, May 8, 2007
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  18. Frank Guest

    On Tue, 08 May 2007 12:48:30 -0500, in 'rec.video.desktop',
    in article <Re: Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review>,
    "Gene E. Bloch" <hamburger@NOT_SPAM.invalid> wrote:

    >Peter Niemayer <> wrote in
    >news:78%%h.46$1.ch.colt.net:
    >
    >> Smarty wrote:
    >>> If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual
    >>> saying otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote
    >>> from the manual to show such a contradiction.

    >>
    >> How would one quote a non-existing statement?
    >>
    >>> Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states
    >>> that the camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps?

    >>
    >> No, but there's neither any explanation of how one would enter a
    >> 60fps recording mode.
    >>
    >> "Proving" that the 60fps mode is non-existing within the HD only
    >> according to the existing manual is as impossible as proving the
    >> non-existence of any deity from a set of ancient books... :)
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >>
    >> Peter Niemayer
    >>
    >> PS: Of course I asked this question to the Sanyo-support, too,
    >> I'll let
    >> you know if I ever get an answer.
    >>

    >
    >Meanwhile, remember that 30 frames per second NTFS records 60 fields
    >per second. Did you possibly misread a statement regarding *fields*
    >as *frames*?
    >
    >Those things do happen :)



    Sort of like typing "NTFS" instead of "NTSC".

    Those things do happen :)

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    [Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
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    Frank, May 8, 2007
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  19. Smarty Guest

    Peter,

    Well, it seems the only question you have been asking from the start but
    never explicitly stated is simply whether this HD2 camcorder can or cannot
    record 60 fps.

    I was initially trying to understand your stated concerns, which you
    expressed as what the specs said, versus what the manual said, and their
    apparent contradiction.

    Obviously you cannot provide a nonexistent statement from the manual. The
    fact that is does not exist may be altogether clear to someone like yourself
    who apparently has the manual to read, but its' absence is not the slightest
    bit obvious to someone like myself who has neither the camera or the manual
    but was merely trying to help you.

    Smarty


    "Peter Niemayer" <> wrote in message
    news:78%%h.46$1.ch.colt.net...
    > Smarty wrote:
    >> If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying
    >> otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual
    >> to show such a contradiction.

    >
    > How would one quote a non-existing statement?
    >
    >> Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that
    >> the camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps?

    >
    > No, but there's neither any explanation of how one would enter a 60fps
    > recording mode.
    >
    > "Proving" that the 60fps mode is non-existing within the HD only according
    > to the existing manual is as impossible as proving the non-existence of
    > any deity from a set of ancient books... :)
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Peter Niemayer
    >
    > PS: Of course I asked this question to the Sanyo-support, too, I'll let
    > you know if I ever get an answer.
     
    Smarty, May 9, 2007
    #19
  20. Just D Guest

    "Smarty"

    > Well, it seems the only question you have been asking from the start but
    > never explicitly stated is simply whether this HD2 camcorder can or cannot
    > record 60 fps.


    > Obviously you cannot provide a nonexistent statement from the manual. The
    > fact that is does not exist may be altogether clear to someone like
    > yourself


    It's out of my patience...) Couple minutes in Google helped me to find some
    docs about this device. Enjoy!-) To simplify the search click Ctrl-F and
    then enter 60, you will find it out in several places yourself.

    http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_reviews/hd1a.html

    640x480 MPEG-4 movies @ 60fps or 30fps with stereo audio

    Video:
    <HD>
    [HD-SHQ] 1280 x 720 (30 fps, 9 Mbps)
    [HD-HQ] 1280 x 720 (30 fps, 6 Mbps)
    <SD>
    [TV-HR] 640 x 480 (60 fps, 6 Mbps)
    [TV-SHQ] 640 x 480 (30 fps, 3 Mbps)
    [TV-HQ] 640 x 480 (30 fps, 2 Mbps)
    [Web-SHQ] 320 x 240 (30 fps)
    [Web-HQ] 320 x 240 (15 fps)

    What else do you need?

    Just D.
     
    Just D, May 9, 2007
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