russian e mails?

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by Christo, Dec 4, 2004.

  1. Christo

    Christo Guest

    i use Outlook express have ZoneAlarm and fully updates norton AV i get e
    mails with russians characters and lots of ??????;cfjsd;sd#l dodgey markings
    in them


    these aren't any threat, because in Outlook express, to delete the e mail it
    must open it when u click on it it opens in the pane below?

    these wont cause any problems with SP2 and firewall / AV?
     
    Christo, Dec 4, 2004
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  2. Christo wrote:

    > i use Outlook express have ZoneAlarm and fully updates norton AV i get e
    > mails with russians characters and lots of ??????;cfjsd;sd#l dodgey
    > markings in them
    >
    >
    > these aren't any threat, because in Outlook express, to delete the e mail
    > it must open it when u click on it it opens in the pane below?
    >
    > these wont cause any problems with SP2 and firewall / AV?


    Can you restate that last paragraph? A couple of suggestions I would give
    you, espically is you are using outlook/outlook express. DO NOT VIEW emails
    in HTML!

    -- Michael
     
    Michael J. Pelletier, Dec 5, 2004
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  3. Christo

    Christo Guest

    "Michael J. Pelletier" <> wrote in message
    news:SXwsd.391371$a85.234@fed1read04...
    > Christo wrote:
    >
    >> i use Outlook express have ZoneAlarm and fully updates norton AV i get e
    >> mails with russians characters and lots of ??????;cfjsd;sd#l dodgey
    >> markings in them
    >>
    >>
    >> these aren't any threat, because in Outlook express, to delete the e mail
    >> it must open it when u click on it it opens in the pane below?
    >>
    >> these wont cause any problems with SP2 and firewall / AV?

    >
    > Can you restate that last paragraph? A couple of suggestions I would give
    > you, espically is you are using outlook/outlook express. DO NOT VIEW
    > emails
    > in HTML!
    >
    > -- Michael


    sorry i meant in outlook, in order to delete an e mail, i first must click
    on it, which in turn opens the e mail in the preview pane

    is this a security risk when receiving e mails with viewing potential email
    viruses etc.

    I am now running in plain text mode due to your advice

    however i am still a bit concerned about the way outlook express views e
    mails, with the preview pain etc. is there no way of disabling automatic
    opening of a message when clicking on it, i have found such an option,
    however this only works when reading news through OE

    would you reccomend another mail program?

    opera's mail program for instance? which i dont have much knowledge on but i
    do use opera and do know that there is a mail/news function within it.

    Thanks for the advice

    chris
     
    Christo, Dec 12, 2004
    #3
  4. Christo

    winged Guest

    Christo wrote:
    > "Michael J. Pelletier" <> wrote in message
    > news:SXwsd.391371$a85.234@fed1read04...
    >
    >>Christo wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>i use Outlook express have ZoneAlarm and fully updates norton AV i get e
    >>>mails with russians characters and lots of ??????;cfjsd;sd#l dodgey
    >>>markings in them
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>these aren't any threat, because in Outlook express, to delete the e mail
    >>>it must open it when u click on it it opens in the pane below?
    >>>
    >>>these wont cause any problems with SP2 and firewall / AV?

    >>
    >>Can you restate that last paragraph? A couple of suggestions I would give
    >>you, espically is you are using outlook/outlook express. DO NOT VIEW
    >>emails
    >>in HTML!
    >>
    >>-- Michael

    >
    >
    > sorry i meant in outlook, in order to delete an e mail, i first must click
    > on it, which in turn opens the e mail in the preview pane
    >
    > is this a security risk when receiving e mails with viewing potential email
    > viruses etc.
    >
    > I am now running in plain text mode due to your advice
    >
    > however i am still a bit concerned about the way outlook express views e
    > mails, with the preview pain etc. is there no way of disabling automatic
    > opening of a message when clicking on it, i have found such an option,
    > however this only works when reading news through OE
    >
    > would you reccomend another mail program?
    >
    > opera's mail program for instance? which i dont have much knowledge on but i
    > do use opera and do know that there is a mail/news function within it.
    >
    > Thanks for the advice
    >
    > chris
    >
    >

    I would use any other (exaggeration perhaps) mail client other than
    Outlook or Outlook express. The problem is it is integrated to the
    system by the browser which makes it a very effective compromise point.
    Outlook express because of it's integration effectively make you
    vulnerable to every vulnerability of Internet explorer (I am assuming a
    WinX system. If the browser is vulnerable to ActiveX vulnerabilities
    then so is Outlook Express.

    I am not ridiculing the power of ActiveX, I have issues using it securely.

    I personally like the Thunderbird 1.0 mail client, but almost any other
    client would be better to use. One may constrain or loosen controls
    fairly dynamically with the Thunderbird client. I won't promise
    perfection, but "seems" to work well for me.

    Winged
     
    winged, Dec 12, 2004
    #4
  5. winged wrote:
    <snip>
    > I personally like the Thunderbird 1.0 mail client, but almost any other
    > client would be better to use. One may constrain or loosen controls
    > fairly dynamically with the Thunderbird client. I won't promise
    > perfection, but "seems" to work well for me.


    I too use Thunderbird. I haven't used Outlook or Outlook Express for
    quite some time now.

    I was even using Forte Agent 2.0 for newsgroups but have since moved
    everything to Mozilla Thunderbird for all e-mail, newsgroup and CSS reading.


    Yours Sincerely,
    Samuël ML Lison

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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samu=EBl_ML_Lison?=, Dec 12, 2004
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  6. Christo

    Lu Tze Guest

    Christo wrote:
    > "Michael J. Pelletier" <> wrote in message
    > news:SXwsd.391371$a85.234@fed1read04...
    >
    >>Christo wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>i use Outlook express have ZoneAlarm and fully updates norton AV i get e
    >>>mails with russians characters and lots of ??????;cfjsd;sd#l dodgey
    >>>markings in them
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>these aren't any threat, because in Outlook express, to delete the e mail
    >>>it must open it when u click on it it opens in the pane below?
    >>>
    >>>these wont cause any problems with SP2 and firewall / AV?

    >>
    >>Can you restate that last paragraph? A couple of suggestions I would give
    >>you, espically is you are using outlook/outlook express. DO NOT VIEW
    >>emails
    >>in HTML!
    >>
    >>-- Michael

    >
    >
    > sorry i meant in outlook, in order to delete an e mail, i first must click
    > on it, which in turn opens the e mail in the preview pane
    >
    > is this a security risk when receiving e mails with viewing potential email
    > viruses etc.
    >
    > I am now running in plain text mode due to your advice
    >
    > however i am still a bit concerned about the way outlook express views e
    > mails, with the preview pain etc. is there no way of disabling automatic
    > opening of a message when clicking on it, i have found such an option,
    > however this only works when reading news through OE
    >
    > would you reccomend another mail program?
    >
    > opera's mail program for instance? which i dont have much knowledge on but i
    > do use opera and do know that there is a mail/news function within it.
    >
    > Thanks for the advice
    >
    > chris
    >
    >

    Under "view" on the toolbar, is there not a way to disable the preview pane.

    --
    "Whale Oil Beef Hooked."

    "Lu Tze."

    <img src="http://boinc.mundayweb.com/seti2/stats.php?userID=1262">
     
    Lu Tze, Dec 12, 2004
    #6
  7. Christo

    winged Guest

    Lu Tze wrote:
    > Christo wrote:
    >
    >> "Michael J. Pelletier" <> wrote in message
    >> news:SXwsd.391371$a85.234@fed1read04...
    >>
    >>> Christo wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> i use Outlook express have ZoneAlarm and fully updates norton AV i
    >>>> get e
    >>>> mails with russians characters and lots of ??????;cfjsd;sd#l dodgey
    >>>> markings in them
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> these aren't any threat, because in Outlook express, to delete the e
    >>>> mail
    >>>> it must open it when u click on it it opens in the pane below?
    >>>>
    >>>> these wont cause any problems with SP2 and firewall / AV?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Can you restate that last paragraph? A couple of suggestions I would
    >>> give
    >>> you, espically is you are using outlook/outlook express. DO NOT VIEW
    >>> emails
    >>> in HTML!
    >>>
    >>> -- Michael

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> sorry i meant in outlook, in order to delete an e mail, i first must
    >> click on it, which in turn opens the e mail in the preview pane
    >>
    >> is this a security risk when receiving e mails with viewing potential
    >> email viruses etc.
    >>
    >> I am now running in plain text mode due to your advice
    >>
    >> however i am still a bit concerned about the way outlook express views
    >> e mails, with the preview pain etc. is there no way of disabling
    >> automatic opening of a message when clicking on it, i have found such
    >> an option, however this only works when reading news through OE
    >>
    >> would you reccomend another mail program?
    >>
    >> opera's mail program for instance? which i dont have much knowledge on
    >> but i do use opera and do know that there is a mail/news function
    >> within it.
    >>
    >> Thanks for the advice
    >>
    >> chris
    >>

    > Under "view" on the toolbar, is there not a way to disable the preview
    > pane.
    >


    Yes, Simply go to the Lu Tze wrote:
    > Christo wrote:
    >
    >> "Michael J. Pelletier" <> wrote in message
    >> news:SXwsd.391371$a85.234@fed1read04...
    >>
    >>> Christo wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> i use Outlook express have ZoneAlarm and fully updates norton AV i
    >>>> get e
    >>>> mails with russians characters and lots of ??????;cfjsd;sd#l dodgey
    >>>> markings in them
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> these aren't any threat, because in Outlook express, to delete the e
    >>>> mail
    >>>> it must open it when u click on it it opens in the pane below?
    >>>>
    >>>> these wont cause any problems with SP2 and firewall / AV?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Can you restate that last paragraph? A couple of suggestions I would
    >>> give
    >>> you, espically is you are using outlook/outlook express. DO NOT VIEW
    >>> emails
    >>> in HTML!
    >>>
    >>> -- Michael

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> sorry i meant in outlook, in order to delete an e mail, i first must
    >> click on it, which in turn opens the e mail in the preview pane
    >>
    >> is this a security risk when receiving e mails with viewing potential
    >> email viruses etc.
    >>
    >> I am now running in plain text mode due to your advice
    >>
    >> however i am still a bit concerned about the way outlook express views
    >> e mails, with the preview pain etc. is there no way of disabling
    >> automatic opening of a message when clicking on it, i have found such
    >> an option, however this only works when reading news through OE
    >>
    >> would you reccomend another mail program?
    >>
    >> opera's mail program for instance? which i dont have much knowledge on
    >> but i do use opera and do know that there is a mail/news function
    >> within it.
    >>
    >> Thanks for the advice
    >>
    >> chris
    >>

    > Under "view" on the toolbar, is there not a way to disable the preview
    > pane.
    >

    Lu Tze wrote:
    > Christo wrote:
    >
    >> "Michael J. Pelletier" <> wrote in message
    >> news:SXwsd.391371$a85.234@fed1read04...
    >>
    >>> Christo wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> i use Outlook express have ZoneAlarm and fully updates norton AV i
    >>>> get e
    >>>> mails with russians characters and lots of ??????;cfjsd;sd#l dodgey
    >>>> markings in them
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> these aren't any threat, because in Outlook express, to delete the e
    >>>> mail
    >>>> it must open it when u click on it it opens in the pane below?
    >>>>
    >>>> these wont cause any problems with SP2 and firewall / AV?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Can you restate that last paragraph? A couple of suggestions I would
    >>> give
    >>> you, espically is you are using outlook/outlook express. DO NOT VIEW
    >>> emails
    >>> in HTML!
    >>>
    >>> -- Michael

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> sorry i meant in outlook, in order to delete an e mail, i first must
    >> click on it, which in turn opens the e mail in the preview pane
    >>
    >> is this a security risk when receiving e mails with viewing potential
    >> email viruses etc.
    >>
    >> I am now running in plain text mode due to your advice
    >>
    >> however i am still a bit concerned about the way outlook express views
    >> e mails, with the preview pain etc. is there no way of disabling
    >> automatic opening of a message when clicking on it, i have found such
    >> an option, however this only works when reading news through OE
    >>
    >> would you reccomend another mail program?
    >>
    >> opera's mail program for instance? which i dont have much knowledge on
    >> but i do use opera and do know that there is a mail/news function
    >> within it.
    >>
    >> Thanks for the advice
    >>
    >> chris
    >>

    > Under "view" on the toolbar, is there not a way to disable the preview
    > pane.
    >


    View/Layout menu and un-check Message Pane (checked by default).

    That said, the danger of the preview pane is not on the same order of
    magnitude as the danger of the IE preview pane. Java script will not
    run by default in the preview pane and ActiveX is non-existent. To get
    scripts to run you must save the message to disk, then open the message
    in the browser, or turn on the JS option (under Tools/Options/Advanced
    menu unchecked by default(NOT RECOMMENDED)). You can also modify the
    preview pane to allow original HTML, simple HTML, or plain text. I
    recommend not displaying remote images if you choose one of the HTML modes.

    Additional modifications to the UI can be made by creating a
    usercrome.css file. The config files can contol many of the
    functionalities of the client program to add or remove features from the
    client. From there you can add or delete items from menus etc. You can
    add/changedelte almost any feature of the user API. This requires some
    programming skills that should not be attempted by the novice user,
    unless they are willing to spend the time required to learn. The
    program is open source so one may make local changes to the client to do
    just about anything one understands how to program.

    Hope this helps.

    Winged
     
    winged, Dec 12, 2004
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