Running with NO AV in Vista

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Mickey Mouse, Dec 8, 2007.

  1. Mickey Mouse

    Mickey Mouse Guest

    After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.

    Aside from the advantage of not having some of the notoriously resource
    hungry and performance degrading commercial packages with RTM's hogging the
    system, I am confident with the security settings within Vista (and
    associated packages) in combination with educated common sense, and it has
    become apparent that the only encounters I seem to have with viruses or
    malware come from when I deliberately download suspect files onto my
    computer to test that the AV packages are actually doing something.
     
    Mickey Mouse, Dec 8, 2007
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  2. In article <fjd0j5$ut$>, Mickey Mouse did write:

    > After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    > Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.


    You're a fool.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Dec 8, 2007
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  3. Mickey Mouse

    Mickey Mouse Guest

    "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <_zealand> wrote in message
    news:fjd550$jrm$...
    > In article <fjd0j5$ut$>, Mickey Mouse did write:
    >
    >> After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    >> Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.

    >
    > You're a fool.


    Practical experience proves otherwise. FUD has no answer for reality.
     
    Mickey Mouse, Dec 8, 2007
    #3
  4. Mickey Mouse

    E. Scrooge Guest

    "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <_zealand> wrote in message
    news:fjd550$jrm$...
    > In article <fjd0j5$ut$>, Mickey Mouse did write:
    >
    >> After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    >> Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.

    >
    > You're a fool.


    It's not your problem, fool.

    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Dec 8, 2007
    #4
  5. Mickey Mouse

    Biggles^ Guest

    On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:06:55 +1300, Mickey Mouse wrote:

    > After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    > Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.
    >
    >

    pretty bold move ....


    Biggles
     
    Biggles^, Dec 8, 2007
    #5
  6. Mickey Mouse

    Mickey Mouse Guest

    "Biggles^" <> wrote in message
    news:fjdk0g$dja$...
    > On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:06:55 +1300, Mickey Mouse wrote:
    >
    >> After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    >> Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.
    >>
    >>

    > pretty bold move ....


    Let's look at the 2 primary attack vectors...

    Email: By actually being someone who doesn't read each and every email
    including spam and clicking on links or blindly running attachments, the
    risk of an infection is virtually eliminated. For those using the now
    superseded Outlook Express, disabling the Preview Pane would be a
    recommended action, however in Vista, Windows Mail and now Windows Live Mail
    feature built-in phishing and spam protection to bin the majority of suspect
    material (that is, if it first makes it past Brightmail on the ISP's
    server), and automatically disable previews in the Junk folder.

    Web: Accessed from behind a firewalled router with no pin-holing of ports,
    with the system firewall running and mostly with Firefox running Noscript
    and Adblock, or occasionally Internet Explorer 7 in Protected Mode. With no
    open ports for worms to propagate, maliciously crafted websites need to be
    able to surreptitiously install a program or run a script, which is not
    going to happen.

    Combined with system functionality such as UAC, Windows Defender, ASLR and
    the vastly improved architectural security in the design of Vista, a
    regularly updated Vista system with an informed and responsible user
    exercising sound judgment and utilising common sense at the controls has a
    negligible chance of being infected by virus or malware.
     
    Mickey Mouse, Dec 8, 2007
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  7. Hi there,

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    > In article <fjd0j5$ut$>, Mickey Mouse did write:
    >
    >>After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    >>Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.

    >
    > You're a fool.


    So are you sometimes Lawrence. I have to agree with Mr Michael Mouse
    partly on this one. AV software (in my case Nortons) just kills Vista
    on my laptop dead. I removed Nortons, and suddenly Vista is almost
    workable. I've downloaded a heap of software to Vista, and its inbuilt
    security, despite the inane prompting, seems to have improved. Having
    said that I don't think I'd prefer it over openSUSE for keeping my
    online work secure.

    --
    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Brisbane, Australia.
    "Maybe politicians should ask the people whether
    or not they wanted all these wars"...
     
    Chris Wilkinson, Dec 8, 2007
    #7
  8. On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:06:55 +1300, Mickey Mouse wrote:

    > After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    > Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.


    <sniggaaaaar!>

    Good luck - you'll need it.


    --
    Jonathan Walker

    "The IT industry landscape is littered with the dead
    dreams of people who once trusted Microsoft."
     
    Jonathan Walker, Dec 9, 2007
    #8
  9. Mickey Mouse

    Donchano Guest

    On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:59:35 +1000, Chris Wilkinson
    <> magnanimously proffered:

    >Hi there,
    >
    >Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    >> In article <fjd0j5$ut$>, Mickey Mouse did write:
    >>
    >>>After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    >>>Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.

    >>
    >> You're a fool.

    >
    >So are you sometimes Lawrence. I have to agree with Mr Michael Mouse
    >partly on this one. AV software (in my case Nortons) just kills Vista
    >on my laptop dead. I removed Nortons, and suddenly Vista is almost
    >workable.


    Just a suggestion, but could your problem have been Nortons? Have you
    tried something like Kaspersky Anti-Virus (KAV) instead?
     
    Donchano, Dec 9, 2007
    #9
  10. Mickey Mouse

    Richard Guest

    Donchano wrote:
    >
    > Just a suggestion, but could your problem have been Nortons? Have you
    > tried something like Kaspersky Anti-Virus (KAV) instead?


    I am amazed that so many computer manufacturers ship their computers
    with that festering piece of shit installed on it as a trial.
     
    Richard, Dec 9, 2007
    #10
  11. Mickey Mouse

    Donchano Guest

    On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:06:53 +1300, Richard <>
    magnanimously proffered:

    >Donchano wrote:
    >>
    >> Just a suggestion, but could your problem have been Nortons? Have you
    >> tried something like Kaspersky Anti-Virus (KAV) instead?

    >
    >I am amazed that so many computer manufacturers ship their computers
    >with that festering piece of shit installed on it as a trial.


    Nortons was the first thing I canned when I got my new computers. I
    was warned about it years ago by a top computer tech and it has only
    gotten worse.
     
    Donchano, Dec 9, 2007
    #11
  12. Mickey Mouse

    Mickey Mouse Guest

    "Jonathan Walker" <> wrote in message
    news:475b4cc4$...
    > On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:06:55 +1300, Mickey Mouse wrote:
    >
    >> After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    >> Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.

    >
    > <sniggaaaaar!>
    >
    > Good luck - you'll need it.


    A typically infantile response, but then we don't expect much else from
    serial FUD-packers who specialise in filling in cavities.
     
    Mickey Mouse, Dec 9, 2007
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  13. Mickey Mouse

    Nik Coughlin Guest

    "Mickey Mouse" <> wrote in message
    news:fjd0j5$ut$...
    > After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    > Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.
    >
    > Aside from the advantage of not having some of the notoriously resource
    > hungry and performance degrading commercial packages with RTM's hogging
    > the system, I am confident with the security settings within Vista (and
    > associated packages) in combination with educated common sense, and it has
    > become apparent that the only encounters I seem to have with viruses or
    > malware come from when I deliberately download suspect files onto my
    > computer to test that the AV packages are actually doing something.


    I've been running it without AV for some months now. Common sense is the
    main thing, as you say.

    And, actually, despite all the kerfuffle about how terrible Vista is, for
    me, on admittedly a smokingly fast machine, it's been great. Very fast to
    start up (pains me to use XP on the other machine now), responsive, stable.

    I just don't see what all the fuss is about. It's a good OS. Sure, it fell
    short of what Microsoft said it would be, but for all that it's definitely a
    step up from XP.
     
    Nik Coughlin, Dec 9, 2007
    #13
  14. Hi there,

    Donchano wrote:
    > On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:59:35 +1000, Chris Wilkinson
    > <> magnanimously proffered:
    >
    >
    >>Hi there,
    >>
    >>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    >>
    >>>In article <fjd0j5$ut$>, Mickey Mouse did write:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>After a few months running Vista, and now having built a new system with
    >>>>Vista Ultimate, I have decided NOT to install any AV packages.
    >>>
    >>>You're a fool.

    >>
    >>So are you sometimes Lawrence. I have to agree with Mr Michael Mouse
    >>partly on this one. AV software (in my case Nortons) just kills Vista
    >>on my laptop dead. I removed Nortons, and suddenly Vista is almost
    >>workable.

    >
    > Just a suggestion, but could your problem have been Nortons? Have you
    > tried something like Kaspersky Anti-Virus (KAV) instead?


    No I haven't, but I'm behind a hardware firewall so I'll just watch
    what I install. I only spend 10% of my laptop time in Vista, for the
    odd game session - the other 90% is in openSUSE, which feels faster,
    and doesn't give me security worries.

    --
    Kind regards,

    Chris Wilkinson, Brisbane, Australia.
    "Maybe politicians should ask the people whether
    or not they wanted all these wars"...
     
    Chris Wilkinson, Dec 10, 2007
    #14
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    Dave Taylor Guest

    Dave Taylor, Dec 12, 2007
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