ROUTER w/ firewall

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Hugh Sutherland, Aug 16, 2003.

  1. A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall. I have 1
    system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a hardware firewall? and
    is it better then say XP's built in firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON firewall
    (software firewall)?

    Hugh
     
    Hugh Sutherland, Aug 16, 2003
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  2. Hugh Sutherland

    Boomer Guest

    docmill said:

    > "Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in
    > news:n3k%a.2920$:
    >
    >> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall.
    >> I have 1 system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a
    >> hardware firewall? and is it better then say XP's built in
    >> firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON firewall (software firewall)?
    >>
    >> Hugh
    >>
    >>

    >
    > http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-5020549-4.html?legacy=cnet
    >
    > You need to read this article.


    Hi docmill

    I get a blank page. They must like Netscape. ;-)

    Is there a link for a printer friendly/text page?

    Thank you.
     
    Boomer, Aug 16, 2003
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  3. Hugh Sutherland

    docmill Guest

    Boomer <> wrote in
    news:3f3dd181$0$195$:

    > docmill said:
    >
    >> "Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in
    >> news:n3k%a.2920$:
    >>
    >>> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall.
    >>> I have 1 system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a
    >>> hardware firewall? and is it better then say XP's built in
    >>> firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON firewall (software firewall)?
    >>>
    >>> Hugh
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-5020549-4.html?legacy=cnet
    >>
    >> You need to read this article.

    >
    > Hi docmill
    >
    > I get a blank page. They must like Netscape. ;-)
    >
    > Is there a link for a printer friendly/text page?
    >
    > Thank you.


    Hi Bommer,
    Tried my Ntscpe and same thing. Opera worked fine and so did Explr.
    Beats the blackout tho.

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  4. Hugh Sutherland

    docmill Guest

    docmill <docmill@nyet_excited.com;up> wrote in
    news:Xns93D8E92DED373docmillexcitenyetcom@216.168.3.44:

    > Boomer <> wrote in
    > news:3f3dd181$0$195$:
    >
    >> docmill said:
    >>
    >>> "Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in
    >>> news:n3k%a.2920$:
    >>>
    >>>> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall.
    >>>> I have 1 system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a
    >>>> hardware firewall? and is it better then say XP's built in
    >>>> firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON firewall (software firewall)?
    >>>>
    >>>> Hugh
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-5020549-4.html?legacy=cnet
    >>>
    >>> You need to read this article.

    >>
    >> Hi docmill
    >>
    >> I get a blank page. They must like Netscape. ;-)
    >>
    >> Is there a link for a printer friendly/text page?
    >>
    >> Thank you.

    >
    > Hi Bommer,
    > Tried my Ntscpe and same thing. Opera worked fine and so did Explr.
    > Beats the blackout tho.
    >


    Whoops, Boomer, sorry...............

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  5. Hugh Sutherland

    Just Taylor Guest

    On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:49:48 -0000, docmill
    <docmill@nyet_excited.com;up> wrote:

    >Boomer <> wrote in
    >news:3f3dd181$0$195$:
    >
    >> docmill said:
    >>
    >>> "Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in
    >>> news:n3k%a.2920$:
    >>>
    >>>> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall.
    >>>> I have 1 system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a
    >>>> hardware firewall? and is it better then say XP's built in
    >>>> firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON firewall (software firewall)?
    >>>>
    >>>> Hugh
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-5020549-4.html?legacy=cnet
    >>>
    >>> You need to read this article.

    >>
    >> Hi docmill
    >>
    >> I get a blank page. They must like Netscape. ;-)
    >>
    >> Is there a link for a printer friendly/text page?
    >>
    >> Thank you.

    >
    >Hi Bommer,
    >Tried my Ntscpe and same thing. Opera worked fine and so did Explr.
    >Beats the blackout tho.


    No problem with Mozilla 1.4 though....


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    Taylor
     
    Just Taylor, Aug 16, 2003
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  6. Hugh Sutherland

    Boomer Guest

    docmill said:

    > docmill <docmill@nyet_excited.com;up> wrote in
    > news:Xns93D8E92DED373docmillexcitenyetcom@216.168.3.44:
    >
    >> Boomer <> wrote in
    >> news:3f3dd181$0$195$:
    >>
    >>> docmill said:
    >>>
    >>>> "Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in
    >>>> news:n3k%a.2920$:
    >>>>
    >>>>> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall.
    >>>>> I have 1 system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a
    >>>>> hardware firewall? and is it better then say XP's built in
    >>>>> firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON firewall (software firewall)?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hugh
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-5020549-4.html?legacy=cnet
    >>>>
    >>>> You need to read this article.
    >>>
    >>> Hi docmill
    >>>
    >>> I get a blank page. They must like Netscape. ;-)
    >>>
    >>> Is there a link for a printer friendly/text page?
    >>>
    >>> Thank you.

    >>
    >> Hi Bommer,
    >> Tried my Ntscpe and same thing. Opera worked fine and so did Explr.
    >> Beats the blackout tho.
    >>

    >
    > Whoops, Boomer, sorry...............
    >


    'Tis okay. :)

    Thanks
     
    Boomer, Aug 16, 2003
    #6
  7. Hugh Sutherland

    Boomer Guest

    Just Taylor said:

    > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:49:48 -0000, docmill
    > <docmill@nyet_excited.com;up> wrote:
    >
    >>Boomer <> wrote in
    >>news:3f3dd181$0$195$:
    >>
    >>> docmill said:
    >>>
    >>>> "Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in
    >>>> news:n3k%a.2920$:
    >>>>
    >>>>> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall.
    >>>>> I have 1 system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a
    >>>>> hardware firewall? and is it better then say XP's built in
    >>>>> firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON firewall (software firewall)?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hugh
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-5020549-4.html?legacy=cnet
    >>>>
    >>>> You need to read this article.
    >>>
    >>> Hi docmill
    >>>
    >>> I get a blank page. They must like Netscape. ;-)
    >>>
    >>> Is there a link for a printer friendly/text page?
    >>>
    >>> Thank you.

    >>
    >>Hi Bommer,
    >>Tried my Ntscpe and same thing. Opera worked fine and so did Explr.
    >>Beats the blackout tho.

    >
    > No problem with Mozilla 1.4 though....
    >
    >
    > --
    > Taylor


    Thanks. :)
     
    Boomer, Aug 16, 2003
    #7
  8. Hugh Sutherland

    Just Taylor Guest

    On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:15:38 -0400, "Hugh Sutherland"
    <> wrote:

    >A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall. I have 1
    >system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a hardware firewall? and
    >is it better then say XP's built in firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON firewall
    >(software firewall)?


    XP's built in firewall is probably better than nothing but you would
    benefit from a Router/Firewall. I use a LinkSys BEFSRU31 DSL/Cable
    Router Firewall and not only does it stealth out all my ports, it can be
    configured for VPN, etc. The router is also nice if you have more than
    one computer and want to have multiple connections.

    My DSL has PPPoE and some really buggy software, the BEFSRU31 (as most
    routers do) can control your PPPoE connection without the need of most
    of the phone companies crappy software and proprietary crap.


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    Just Taylor, Aug 16, 2003
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  9. Hugh Sutherland

    docmill Guest

    Just Taylor <> wrote in news::

    > On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:49:48 -0000, docmill
    ><docmill@nyet_excited.com;up> wrote:
    >
    >>Boomer <> wrote in
    >>news:3f3dd181$0$195$:
    >>
    >>> docmill said:
    >>>
    >>>> "Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in
    >>>> news:n3k%a.2920$:
    >>>>
    >>>>> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall.
    >>>>> I have 1 system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a
    >>>>> hardware firewall? and is it better then say XP's built in
    >>>>> firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON firewall (software firewall)?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hugh
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-5020549-4.html?legacy=cnet
    >>>>
    >>>> You need to read this article.
    >>>
    >>> Hi docmill
    >>>
    >>> I get a blank page. They must like Netscape. ;-)
    >>>
    >>> Is there a link for a printer friendly/text page?
    >>>
    >>> Thank you.

    >>
    >>Hi Bommer,
    >>Tried my Ntscpe and same thing. Opera worked fine and so did Explr.
    >>Beats the blackout tho.

    >
    > No problem with Mozilla 1.4 though....
    >
    >
    > --
    > Taylor
    >


    Yeah I thought it was that black out that turned Netscape on it's ear. Maybe
    next year they'll go from Cap'n Crunch to Viagra in a sales marketing
    blogwad. And more than likely do good. Does that represent their clientele?

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  10. "Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in message
    news:n3k%a.2920$...
    > A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall. I have 1
    > system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a hardware firewall?

    and
    > is it better then say XP's built in firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON

    firewall
    > (software firewall)?
    >
    > Hugh
    >
    >


    Go to: http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm and see what Steve Gibson says about
    BlackICE.


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    Michael S. Toth, Aug 16, 2003
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  11. Hugh Sutherland

    mhicaoidh Guest

    Taking a moment's reflection, Michael S. Toth mused:
    |
    | Go to: http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm and see what Steve Gibson says about
    | BlackICE.

    Before I even got anywhere near the BlackIce information, I read the
    following, and stopped right there: "This has horribly changed for the
    worse with the release of Windows 2000 and the pending release of Windows
    XP."

    That article was written before XP was even released ... it references
    v2.6 of ZoneAlarm ... translation ... it's no longer relevant due to the
    article's outdatedness.
     
    mhicaoidh, Aug 16, 2003
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  12. Hugh Sutherland

    Jimchip Guest

    On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:08:07 GMT, mhicaoidh wrote:
    > Taking a moment's reflection, Michael S. Toth mused:
    >|
    >| Go to: http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm and see what Steve Gibson says about
    >| BlackICE.


    Steve needs to update *a lot* of his website.

    >
    > Before I even got anywhere near the BlackIce information, I read the
    > following, and stopped right there: "This has horribly changed for the
    > worse with the release of Windows 2000 and the pending release of Windows
    > XP."
    >
    > That article was written before XP was even released ... it references
    > v2.6 of ZoneAlarm ... translation ... it's no longer relevant due to the
    > article's outdatedness.


    The whole debate is old and stale. Black Ice has had the outgoing filter
    that people seem (wrongly) to think defines a firewall for quite awhile.
    Here's another point of view:
    "(Maybe it'll block trojans from phoning home, but A) if you've run a
    trojan your system is completely compromised..."
    http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html

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    Jimchip, Aug 16, 2003
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  13. Hugh Sutherland

    IanCT Guest

    A hardware firewall is better than software IMO. I do enable the XP
    built-in firewall
    when using dial-up connections, and using GRC.com's ShieldsUP applet, it
    seems to pass.

    Never liked BlackIce, I've used ZoneAlarm and used to use it before I got my
    router/firewall.
    Never tried Norton long enough to like or dislike it.


    "Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in message
    news:n3k%a.2920$...
    > A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall. I have 1
    > system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a hardware firewall?

    and
    > is it better then say XP's built in firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON

    firewall
    > (software firewall)?
    >
    > Hugh
    >
    >
     
    IanCT, Aug 17, 2003
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  14. Hugh Sutherland

    John Guest

    In regards to using XP's builtin firewall, I am trying to remotely
    control a PC for an end-user overseas who is running XP and haven't
    been able to connect to her system.
    With XP, does the firewall default to active when initially installed?
    How can I get her to turn off her firewall so I can connect to her
    system?

    Thanks.


    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:03:31 GMT, "IanCT"
    <> wrote:

    >A hardware firewall is better than software IMO. I do enable the XP
    >built-in firewall
    >when using dial-up connections, and using GRC.com's ShieldsUP applet, it
    >seems to pass.
    >
    >Never liked BlackIce, I've used ZoneAlarm and used to use it before I got my
    >router/firewall.
    >Never tried Norton long enough to like or dislike it.
    >
    >
    >"Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in message
    >news:n3k%a.2920$...
    >> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall. I have 1
    >> system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a hardware firewall?

    >and
    >> is it better then say XP's built in firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON

    >firewall
    >> (software firewall)?
    >>
    >> Hugh
    >>
    >>

    >
     
    John, Aug 18, 2003
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  15. Hugh Sutherland

    Joe Bloggs Guest

    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:37:35 -0400, John <>
    wrote:

    >In regards to using XP's builtin firewall, I am trying to remotely
    >control a PC for an end-user overseas who is running XP and haven't
    >been able to connect to her system.
    >With XP, does the firewall default to active when initially installed?
    >How can I get her to turn off her firewall so I can connect to her
    >system?


    It normally has to be activated.

    Try control panel, network connections, right click on dial up
    connection, properties, advanced, tick/untick firewall check box.

    HTH

    >
    >Thanks.
    >
    >
    >On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:03:31 GMT, "IanCT"
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>A hardware firewall is better than software IMO. I do enable the XP
    >>built-in firewall
    >>when using dial-up connections, and using GRC.com's ShieldsUP applet, it
    >>seems to pass.
    >>
    >>Never liked BlackIce, I've used ZoneAlarm and used to use it before I got my
    >>router/firewall.
    >>Never tried Norton long enough to like or dislike it.
    >>
    >>
    >>"Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in message
    >>news:n3k%a.2920$...
    >>> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall. I have 1
    >>> system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a hardware firewall?

    >>and
    >>> is it better then say XP's built in firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON

    >>firewall
    >>> (software firewall)?
    >>>
    >>> Hugh
    >>>
    >>>

    >>



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  16. Hugh Sutherland

    John Guest

    Thx - I'll walk her through it
    Reason that I don't know how o disable the firewall is that I have yet
    to setup Windows XP on any of my systems, least not until I get one
    that's powerful enough to handle it

    John


    On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:54:59 +0100, Joe Bloggs <> wrote:

    >On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:37:35 -0400, John <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>In regards to using XP's builtin firewall, I am trying to remotely
    >>control a PC for an end-user overseas who is running XP and haven't
    >>been able to connect to her system.
    >>With XP, does the firewall default to active when initially installed?
    >>How can I get her to turn off her firewall so I can connect to her
    >>system?

    >
    >It normally has to be activated.
    >
    >Try control panel, network connections, right click on dial up
    >connection, properties, advanced, tick/untick firewall check box.
    >
    >HTH
    >
    >>
    >>Thanks.
    >>
    >>
    >>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:03:31 GMT, "IanCT"
    >><> wrote:
    >>
    >>>A hardware firewall is better than software IMO. I do enable the XP
    >>>built-in firewall
    >>>when using dial-up connections, and using GRC.com's ShieldsUP applet, it
    >>>seems to pass.
    >>>
    >>>Never liked BlackIce, I've used ZoneAlarm and used to use it before I got my
    >>>router/firewall.
    >>>Never tried Norton long enough to like or dislike it.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>"Hugh Sutherland" <> wrote in message
    >>>news:n3k%a.2920$...
    >>>> A friend told me I should get a ROUTER with a built in firewall. I have 1
    >>>> system with a cable modem. Is their such thing as a hardware firewall?
    >>>and
    >>>> is it better then say XP's built in firewall or BLACKICE or NORTON
    >>>firewall
    >>>> (software firewall)?
    >>>>
    >>>> Hugh
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

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