Route traffic from a Dynamic WAN address on Pix 501

Discussion in 'Cisco' started by Warren Tochor, Feb 5, 2004.

  1. I am trying to allow access through a Cisco PIX 501 firewall. I have the
    WAN port connected to a cable modem that is assigned a dynamic IP address.
    I am aware that the WAN IP number will change. I am using the No-IP service
    and software to keep me informed when the IP number changes.



    I need to allow WAN traffic from a specific public IP address
    (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) to redirect pcAnywhere (port 5631 & 5632) traffic to a
    private IP address: 10.21.55.10, subnet mask: 255.255.255.0 behind the
    firewall.



    I also need to allow WAN traffic from a second specific public IP address:
    (yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy) to redirect Terminal Service (Port 3389) and Compaq RIB II
    (Ports 23, 80 & 443) traffic to a private IP address: 10.21.55.5 subnet
    mask: 255.255.255.0 behind the firewall.



    Here is the running-config

    PIX Version 6.2(2)

    nameif ethernet0 outside security0

    nameif ethernet1 inside security100

    enable password cBLalUer5EqAPcp3 encrypted

    passwd cBLalUer5EqAPcp3 encrypted

    hostname tgs-sd1

    domain-name tgs.com

    fixup protocol ftp 21

    fixup protocol http 80

    fixup protocol h323 h225 1720

    fixup protocol h323 ras 1718-1719

    fixup protocol ils 389

    fixup protocol rsh 514

    fixup protocol rtsp 554

    fixup protocol smtp 25

    fixup protocol sqlnet 1521

    fixup protocol sip 5060

    fixup protocol skinny 2000

    names

    pager lines 24

    interface ethernet0 10baset

    interface ethernet1 10full

    mtu outside 1500

    mtu inside 1500

    ip address outside dhcp setroute

    ip address inside 10.21.55.1 255.255.255.0

    ip audit info action alarm

    ip audit attack action alarm

    pdm location 10.21.55.0 255.255.255.0 inside

    pdm location 10.21.55.0 255.255.255.255 inside

    pdm logging informational 100

    pdm history enable

    arp timeout 14400

    global (outside) 1 interface

    nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0 0

    timeout xlate 0:05:00

    timeout conn 1:00:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp 0:02:00 rpc 0:10:00 h323
    0:05:00 sip 0:30:00 sip_media 0:02:00

    timeout uauth 0:05:00 absolute

    aaa-server TACACS+ protocol tacacs+

    aaa-server RADIUS protocol radius

    aaa-server LOCAL protocol local

    http server enable

    http 10.21.55.0 255.255.255.0 inside

    no snmp-server location

    no snmp-server contact

    snmp-server community t1pt0p

    no snmp-server enable traps

    floodguard enable

    no sysopt route dnat

    telnet 10.21.55.0 255.255.255.0 inside

    telnet timeout 5

    ssh timeout 5

    dhcpd address 10.21.55.33-10.21.55.64 inside

    dhcpd dns 63.240.76.4 204.127.198.4

    dhcpd lease 3600

    dhcpd ping_timeout 750

    terminal width 80

    Cryptochecksum:cf2727c57c100279d753d7f3e4cc7332

    : end


    I was looking at other post and they all seem to have a static IP number for
    the WAN port. I need to be able to redirect any incoming traffic based on
    the interface not the IP Number assigned to the interface. I hope this
    makes sense. Any help will be appreciated.





    Warren
     
    Warren Tochor, Feb 5, 2004
    #1
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  2. In article <>,
    Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    :I am trying to allow access through a Cisco PIX 501 firewall. I have the
    :WAN port connected to a cable modem that is assigned a dynamic IP address.

    :I need to allow WAN traffic from a specific public IP address
    :(xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) to redirect pcAnywhere (port 5631 & 5632) traffic to a
    :private IP address: 10.21.55.10, subnet mask: 255.255.255.0 behind the
    :firewall.

    :I also need to allow WAN traffic from a second specific public IP address:
    :(yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy) to redirect Terminal Service (Port 3389) and Compaq RIB II
    :(Ports 23, 80 & 443) traffic to a private IP address: 10.21.55.5 subnet
    :mask: 255.255.255.0 behind the firewall.

    :I was looking at other post and they all seem to have a static IP number for
    :the WAN port. I need to be able to redirect any incoming traffic based on
    :the interface not the IP Number assigned to the interface. I hope this
    :makes sense.

    static (inside, outside) tcp interface 5631 10.21.55.10 5631 netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0
    static (inside, outside) udp interface 5632 10.21.55.10 5632 netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0
    static (inside, outside) tcp interface 3389 10.21.55.5 3389 netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0
    static (inside, outside) tcp interface 80 10.21.55.5 80 netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0
    static (inside, outside) tcp interface 443 10.21.55.5 443 netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0

    However, you can't do tcp port 23. The PIX reserves tcp 23 and a port
    in the 1700 range for communicating with the PIX itself, and will not
    allow you to use interface port forwarding for port 23. In order to use
    tcp port 23, you must have a second IP address. If, though, you can
    configure the outside software so that it accesses a different port
    (say, 15023), then you could use

    static (inside, outside) tcp interface 15023 10.21.55.5 23 netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0

    without changing your inside system.
    --
    And the wind keeps blowing the angel / Backwards into the future /
    And this wind, this wind / Is called / Progress.
    -- Laurie Anderson
     
    Walter Roberson, Feb 5, 2004
    #2
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  3. Do I need to create access-lists for the ports to allow it through the
    firewall and specify what IP address I will allow for the source of the IP
    traffice? I assume I will use the private (10.21.55.x) to specify the
    destination since I have a dynamic WAN address.

    I have used dynamic DNS with a sonicWALL with no problems. Do yse see
    any problems with the Pix?

    Thanks for your help.

    Warren



    "Walter Roberson" <-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote in message
    news:bvuhel$291$...
    > In article <>,
    > Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    > :I am trying to allow access through a Cisco PIX 501 firewall. I have the
    > :WAN port connected to a cable modem that is assigned a dynamic IP

    address.
    >
    > :I need to allow WAN traffic from a specific public IP address
    > :(xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) to redirect pcAnywhere (port 5631 & 5632) traffic to a
    > :private IP address: 10.21.55.10, subnet mask: 255.255.255.0 behind the
    > :firewall.
    >
    > :I also need to allow WAN traffic from a second specific public IP

    address:
    > :(yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy) to redirect Terminal Service (Port 3389) and Compaq RIB

    II
    > :(Ports 23, 80 & 443) traffic to a private IP address: 10.21.55.5 subnet
    > :mask: 255.255.255.0 behind the firewall.
    >
    > :I was looking at other post and they all seem to have a static IP number

    for
    > :the WAN port. I need to be able to redirect any incoming traffic based

    on
    > :the interface not the IP Number assigned to the interface. I hope this
    > :makes sense.
    >
    > static (inside, outside) tcp interface 5631 10.21.55.10 5631 netmask

    255.255.255.255 0 0
    > static (inside, outside) udp interface 5632 10.21.55.10 5632 netmask

    255.255.255.255 0 0
    > static (inside, outside) tcp interface 3389 10.21.55.5 3389 netmask

    255.255.255.255 0 0
    > static (inside, outside) tcp interface 80 10.21.55.5 80 netmask

    255.255.255.255 0 0
    > static (inside, outside) tcp interface 443 10.21.55.5 443 netmask

    255.255.255.255 0 0
    >
    > However, you can't do tcp port 23. The PIX reserves tcp 23 and a port
    > in the 1700 range for communicating with the PIX itself, and will not
    > allow you to use interface port forwarding for port 23. In order to use
    > tcp port 23, you must have a second IP address. If, though, you can
    > configure the outside software so that it accesses a different port
    > (say, 15023), then you could use
    >
    > static (inside, outside) tcp interface 15023 10.21.55.5 23 netmask

    255.255.255.255 0 0
    >
    > without changing your inside system.
    > --
    > And the wind keeps blowing the angel / Backwards into the future /
    > And this wind, this wind / Is called / Progress.
    > -- Laurie Anderson
     
    Warren Tochor, Feb 6, 2004
    #3
  4. In article <>,
    Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    : Do I need to create access-lists for the ports to allow it through the
    :firewall and specify what IP address I will allow for the source of the IP
    :traffice? I assume I will use the private (10.21.55.x) to specify the
    :destination since I have a dynamic WAN address.

    Yes, you need to create the appropriate access list entries.
    However, as the destination, you should specify the phrase

    interface outside if you are using 6.3
    interface if you are using 6.2

    For example,

    access-list out2in permit tcp host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx interface outside 5631
    access-list out2in permit udp host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx interface outside 5632


    : I have used dynamic DNS with a sonicWALL with no problems. Do yse see
    :any problems with the Pix?

    The PIX doesn't have any built-in support for dynamic DNS -- that is,
    the PIX itself has no ability to contact something like dydns.org
    to update a record. I don't -think- it tries to do a DNS update
    in response to DHCP either, but perhaps they snuck that in.
    --
    Warning: potentially contains traces of nuts.
     
    Walter Roberson, Feb 6, 2004
    #4
  5. Well I tried your suggestion with some mixed results but was not able to
    connect. For starters I'm just working on Terminal Services rules only,
    once I get them down I'm sure I can get the rest. I had some trouble with
    the access-list syntax. I was eventually able to enter in the access-list
    with then help of the GUI. Here is what was added.

    name 209.xxx.xxx.xxx remoteuser2
    access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 host
    10.21.55.5 eq 3389
    access-group outside_access_in in interface outside
    static (inside, outside) tcp interface 3389 10.21.55.5 3389 netmask
    255.255.255.255 0 0

    At the end of my reply is the running config.

    I am not able to connect via terminal Services. Terminal Services works
    behind the firewall but not from the outside address. I have a sonicwall
    device on the outside address (209.xx.xxx.xxx) doing one-to-one NAT to my
    workstation that I am not able to connect from.

    Any Suggestions as to why this doesn't work?

    Someone else originally set up the domain-name tgs.com in the PIX. This is
    not their domain name. Does the PIX do any domain name resolution that
    could be causing the problem?

    You mentioned I cannot redirect telnet, how can I configure the PIX to allow
    me to telnet from the outside address (209.xx.xxx.xxx) so I can manager it?

    Is the order you entered important? I assume you enter the commands in the
    configuration mode.

    You have been a great help, any additional help would be appreciated.

    Warren




    PIX Version 6.2(2)
    nameif ethernet0 outside security0
    nameif ethernet1 inside security100
    enable password cBLalUer5EqAPcp3 encrypted
    passwd cBLalUer5EqAPcp3 encrypted
    hostname tgs-sd1
    domain-name tgs.com
    fixup protocol ftp 21
    fixup protocol http 80
    fixup protocol h323 h225 1720
    fixup protocol h323 ras 1718-1719
    fixup protocol ils 389
    fixup protocol rsh 514
    fixup protocol rtsp 554
    fixup protocol smtp 25
    fixup protocol sqlnet 1521
    fixup protocol sip 5060
    fixup protocol skinny 2000
    names
    name 209.xxx.xxx.xxx remoteuser2
    access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 host
    10.21.55.5 eq 3389
    pager lines 24
    interface ethernet0 10baset
    interface ethernet1 10full
    mtu outside 1500
    mtu inside 1500
    ip address outside dhcp setroute
    ip address inside 10.21.55.1 255.255.255.0
    ip audit info action alarm
    ip audit attack action alarm
    pdm location 10.21.55.0 255.255.255.0 inside
    pdm location 10.21.55.0 255.255.255.255 inside
    pdm location 10.21.55.5 255.255.255.255 inside
    pdm location remoteuser2 255.255.255.255 outside
    pdm logging informational 100
    pdm history enable
    arp timeout 14400
    global (outside) 1 interface
    nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0 0
    static (inside,outside) tcp interface 3389 10.21.55.5 3389 netmask
    255.255.255.255 0 0
    access-group outside_access_in in interface outside
    timeout xlate 0:05:00
    timeout conn 1:00:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp 0:02:00 rpc 0:10:00 h323
    0:05:00 sip 0:30:00 sip_media 0:02:00
    timeout uauth 0:05:00 absolute
    aaa-server TACACS+ protocol tacacs+
    aaa-server RADIUS protocol radius
    aaa-server LOCAL protocol local
    http server enable
    http 10.21.55.0 255.255.255.0 inside
    no snmp-server location
    no snmp-server contact
    snmp-server community t1pt0p
    no snmp-server enable traps
    floodguard enable
    no sysopt route dnat
    telnet 10.21.55.0 255.255.255.0 inside
    telnet timeout 5
    ssh timeout 5
    dhcpd address 10.21.55.33-10.21.55.64 inside
    dhcpd dns 63.240.76.4 204.127.198.4
    dhcpd lease 3600
    dhcpd ping_timeout 750
    terminal width 80
    Cryptochecksum:cf2727c57c100279d753d7f3e4cc7332
    : end

    "Walter Roberson" <-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote in message
    news:c00kk9$j9$...
    > In article <>,
    > Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    > : Do I need to create access-lists for the ports to allow it through

    the
    > :firewall and specify what IP address I will allow for the source of the

    IP
    > :traffice? I assume I will use the private (10.21.55.x) to specify the
    > :destination since I have a dynamic WAN address.
    >
    > Yes, you need to create the appropriate access list entries.
    > However, as the destination, you should specify the phrase
    >
    > interface outside if you are using 6.3
    > interface if you are using 6.2
    >
    > For example,
    >
    > access-list out2in permit tcp host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx interface outside 5631
    > access-list out2in permit udp host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx interface outside 5632
    >
    >
    > : I have used dynamic DNS with a sonicWALL with no problems. Do yse

    see
    > :any problems with the Pix?
    >
    > The PIX doesn't have any built-in support for dynamic DNS -- that is,
    > the PIX itself has no ability to contact something like dydns.org
    > to update a record. I don't -think- it tries to do a DNS update
    > in response to DHCP either, but perhaps they snuck that in.
    > --
    > Warning: potentially contains traces of nuts.

    "Walter Roberson" <-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote in message
    news:c00kk9$j9$...
    > In article <>,
    > Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    > : Do I need to create access-lists for the ports to allow it through

    the
    > :firewall and specify what IP address I will allow for the source of the

    IP
    > :traffice? I assume I will use the private (10.21.55.x) to specify the
    > :destination since I have a dynamic WAN address.
    >
    > Yes, you need to create the appropriate access list entries.
    > However, as the destination, you should specify the phrase
    >
    > interface outside if you are using 6.3
    > interface if you are using 6.2
    >
    > For example,
    >
    > access-list out2in permit tcp host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx interface outside 5631
    > access-list out2in permit udp host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx interface outside 5632
    >
    >
    > : I have used dynamic DNS with a sonicWALL with no problems. Do yse

    see
    > :any problems with the Pix?
    >
    > The PIX doesn't have any built-in support for dynamic DNS -- that is,
    > the PIX itself has no ability to contact something like dydns.org
    > to update a record. I don't -think- it tries to do a DNS update
    > in response to DHCP either, but perhaps they snuck that in.
    > --
    > Warning: potentially contains traces of nuts.
     
    Warren Tochor, Feb 10, 2004
    #5
  6. In article <lTYVb.50634$-kc.rr.com>,
    Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    :name 209.xxx.xxx.xxx remoteuser2
    :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 host 10.21.55.5 eq 3389
    :access-group outside_access_in in interface outside
    :static (inside, outside) tcp interface 3389 10.21.55.5 3389 netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0

    The outside access list is evaluated before NAT is done. You need something
    like:

    access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 interface outside eq 3389


    :Someone else originally set up the domain-name tgs.com in the PIX. This is
    :not their domain name. Does the PIX do any domain name resolution that
    :could be causing the problem?

    No, the PIX never does DNS itself.

    :You mentioned I cannot redirect telnet, how can I configure the PIX to allow
    :me to telnet from the outside address (209.xx.xxx.xxx) so I can manager it?

    Don't do that. Use ssh instead. Go on to the pix, use a ca generate
    command to generate a key, then use ca save all to save it on the PIX.
    Then config ssh access to the outside.

    If you really must use telnet to the outside, then it *must* be
    contained within a VPN tunnel -- your crypto match acl access-list must
    include a line that matches the outside interface.
    --
    Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million
    typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare. -- Blair Houghton.
     
    Walter Roberson, Feb 10, 2004
    #6
  7. I have tried what you suggested and some variants ...

    access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 interface
    outside eq 3389
    access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 outside eq
    3389
    access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 interface
    eq 3389

    and I get the same error...

    ERROR: invalid IP address interface
    [no] access-list <id> deny|permit <protocol>|object-group
    <protocol_obj_grp_id>
    <sip> <smask> | object-group <network_obj_grp_id>
    [<operator> <port> [<port>] | object-group <service_obj_grp_id>]
    <dip> <dmask> | object-group <network_obj_grp_id>
    [<operator> <port> [<port>] | object-group <service_obj_grp_id>

    It looks like it wants an actual IP address. Any other ideas how to
    reference the interace since my WAN IP is dynamic and changes every 4 Days?

    Warren

    "Walter Roberson" <-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote in message
    news:c09nnf$6gc$...
    > In article <lTYVb.50634$-kc.rr.com>,
    > Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    > :name 209.xxx.xxx.xxx remoteuser2
    > :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 host

    10.21.55.5 eq 3389
    > :access-group outside_access_in in interface outside
    > :static (inside, outside) tcp interface 3389 10.21.55.5 3389 netmask

    255.255.255.255 0 0
    >
    > The outside access list is evaluated before NAT is done. You need

    something
    > like:
    >
    > access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389

    interface outside eq 3389
    >
    >
    > :Someone else originally set up the domain-name tgs.com in the PIX. This

    is
    > :not their domain name. Does the PIX do any domain name resolution that
    > :could be causing the problem?
    >
    > No, the PIX never does DNS itself.
    >
    > :You mentioned I cannot redirect telnet, how can I configure the PIX to

    allow
    > :me to telnet from the outside address (209.xx.xxx.xxx) so I can manager

    it?
    >
    > Don't do that. Use ssh instead. Go on to the pix, use a ca generate
    > command to generate a key, then use ca save all to save it on the PIX.
    > Then config ssh access to the outside.
    >
    > If you really must use telnet to the outside, then it *must* be
    > contained within a VPN tunnel -- your crypto match acl access-list must
    > include a line that matches the outside interface.
    > --
    > Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million
    > typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare. -- Blair

    Houghton.
     
    Warren Tochor, Feb 10, 2004
    #7
  8. In article <>,
    Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    :I have tried what you suggested and some variants ...

    :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 interface outside eq 3389
    :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 outside eq 3389
    :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 interface eq 3389

    :and I get the same error...

    :ERROR: invalid IP address interface

    Ah, sorry, looking back at previous posts, I see you are running 6.2(2).
    You should upgrade to 6.2(3), by the way; see
    http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20031215-pix.shtml

    6.2 does not support the 'interface' keyword. You will have to use 'any':

    access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 any eq 3389
    --
    Tenser, said the Tensor.
    Tenser, said the Tensor.
    Tension, apprehension,
    And dissension have begun. -- Alfred Bester (tDM)
     
    Walter Roberson, Feb 10, 2004
    #8
  9. When I replaced the any in the access list it is accepted now. However it
    still does not work. Ethernet0 name is outside. Would that have any
    conflict with any reserved names? It accepted outside in the access-group
    command for the name interface.

    Is there some where I can monitor the connection to see where it is breaking
    down on the PIX

    Any othersuggestion to make this work.?

    Thanks
    Warren

    "Walter Roberson" <-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote in message
    news:c0b97d$rv4$...
    > In article <>,
    > Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    > :I have tried what you suggested and some variants ...
    >
    > :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389

    interface outside eq 3389
    > :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 outside

    eq 3389
    > :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389

    interface eq 3389
    >
    > :and I get the same error...
    >
    > :ERROR: invalid IP address interface
    >
    > Ah, sorry, looking back at previous posts, I see you are running 6.2(2).
    > You should upgrade to 6.2(3), by the way; see
    > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20031215-pix.shtml
    >
    > 6.2 does not support the 'interface' keyword. You will have to use 'any':
    >
    > access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 any eq

    3389
    > --
    > Tenser, said the Tensor.
    > Tenser, said the Tensor.
    > Tension, apprehension,
    > And dissension have begun. -- Alfred Bester (tDM)
     
    Warren Tochor, Feb 10, 2004
    #9
  10. To help troubleshoot I took out the destination host. The commands are
    now...


    static (inside, outside) tcp interface 3389 10.21.55.5 3389 netmask
    255.255.255.255 0 0
    access-list outside_access_in permit tcp any eq 3389 any eq 3389
    access-group outside_access_in in interface outside

    Still now luck.

    Warren


    "Warren Tochor" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > When I replaced the any in the access list it is accepted now. However it
    > still does not work. Ethernet0 name is outside. Would that have any
    > conflict with any reserved names? It accepted outside in the

    access-group
    > command for the name interface.
    >
    > Is there some where I can monitor the connection to see where it is

    breaking
    > down on the PIX
    >
    > Any othersuggestion to make this work.?
    >
    > Thanks
    > Warren
    >
    > "Walter Roberson" <-cnrc.gc.ca> wrote in message
    > news:c0b97d$rv4$...
    > > In article <>,
    > > Warren Tochor <> wrote:
    > > :I have tried what you suggested and some variants ...
    > >
    > > :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389

    > interface outside eq 3389
    > > :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389

    outside
    > eq 3389
    > > :access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389

    > interface eq 3389
    > >
    > > :and I get the same error...
    > >
    > > :ERROR: invalid IP address interface
    > >
    > > Ah, sorry, looking back at previous posts, I see you are running 6.2(2).
    > > You should upgrade to 6.2(3), by the way; see
    > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20031215-pix.shtml
    > >
    > > 6.2 does not support the 'interface' keyword. You will have to use

    'any':
    > >
    > > access-list outside_access_in permit tcp host remoteuser2 eq 3389 any eq

    > 3389
    > > --
    > > Tenser, said the Tensor.
    > > Tenser, said the Tensor.
    > > Tension, apprehension,
    > > And dissension have begun. -- Alfred Bester (tDM)

    >
    >
     
    Warren Tochor, Feb 10, 2004
    #10
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