Rocky & Bullwinkle dvd has a BUG

Discussion in 'DVD Video' started by Evil, Aug 9, 2003.

  1. Evil

    Evil Guest

    I guess I'm being a bit anal, but I've just watched most of the first
    disc of the ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE SEASON 1 dvd boxset. What gets me is
    that at the beginning of each segment, a "R&B" bug appears for about
    20-30sec and then fades away. WHY????? It's fairly innocuous (Grey
    and slightly transparent), but there's no reason for it. wtf are they
    thinking? Does this bother anyone else or is it just me?
     
    Evil, Aug 9, 2003
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  2. Evil

    Scot Gardner Guest

    "Evil" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I guess I'm being a bit anal, but I've just watched most of the first
    > disc of the ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE SEASON 1 dvd boxset. What gets me is
    > that at the beginning of each segment, a "R&B" bug appears for about
    > 20-30sec and then fades away. WHY????? It's fairly innocuous (Grey
    > and slightly transparent), but there's no reason for it. wtf are they
    > thinking? Does this bother anyone else or is it just me?



    In answer to your question, "WHY?????", apparently, it's because Sony
    doesn't give a shit about the quality of this production.

    I posted this report from Fred Hunter's excellent review site, on August
    4, but you must have missed it:

    Rocky & Bullwinkle: When?

    Make sure that you know what you're getting into:

    VIDEO AND AUDIO QUALITY:

    "I really wish that I could report that the transfers were better than
    they are. I wouldn't expect the source to be in great shape, but in one
    respect it's inexcusable: Sony has used a broadcast print for the
    transfers that includes a program identifier ("R&B") that periodically
    and very annoying appears in the lower right hand corner of the screen!
    Yes, that would make this the first DVDs I've ever seen that include
    those damned identifiers that every viewer has come to despise when
    watching broadcast television! The transfer lost a star for that alone."

    "For the rest of it, the source was in just about the condition I
    would've expected: there's a quite a bit of scratches, vertical lines
    and specks (particularly in the first few episodes). Still, the black
    level is solid, the colors are nicely saturated, and the detail is very
    good (though there are times in the first few episodes where the
    contrast is noticeably inferior)."

    "The audio is in much better condition: the tone is generally very rich
    and full, and free from any signs of deterioration or distortion (though
    on one of the later episodes there was a bit of a crackle). The audio is
    so clear that I heard music and sound effects that I sear I'd never
    noticed before! The bass is strong, and the dialogue and narration and
    perfect."

    http://www.classicsondvd.com/
     
    Scot Gardner, Aug 9, 2003
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  3. Ward's estate is spending a million on each season for restoration.

    It's not any worse than what you'd see on Cartoon Network. In fact, it's
    smaller than most TV bugs.

    "Evil" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I guess I'm being a bit anal, but I've just watched most of the first
    > disc of the ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE SEASON 1 dvd boxset. What gets me is
    > that at the beginning of each segment, a "R&B" bug appears for about
    > 20-30sec and then fades away. WHY????? It's fairly innocuous (Grey
    > and slightly transparent), but there's no reason for it. wtf are they
    > thinking? Does this bother anyone else or is it just me?
     
    Patrick McCart, Aug 9, 2003
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  4. Evil

    jayembee Guest

    (Evil) wrote:

    > I guess I'm being a bit anal, but I've just watched most
    > of the first disc of the ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE SEASON 1
    > dvd boxset. What gets me is that at the beginning of each
    > segment, a "R&B" bug appears for about 20-30sec and then
    > fades away. WHY????? It's fairly innocuous (Grey and
    > slightly transparent), but there's no reason for it. wtf
    > are they thinking?


    What are they thinking? Probably that they're marking them
    to make them less attractive for video pirates, or to be
    able to identify that pirate copies were made from them.

    Given the number of people who blithely rip DVDs and post
    the rips to the binaries groups, I can't really say I
    blame them.

    > Does this bother anyone else or is it just me?


    Well, I'd say that it bothers me that I'm not as bothered
    by it as I should be. While I'd certainly prefer the set
    to be bug-free, the benefits of having the set -- it is
    Moose & Squirrel we're talking about here -- more than
    outweigh the bug (and less-than-stellar transfer) problems.

    -- jayembee
     
    jayembee, Aug 9, 2003
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  5. Evil

    Ian J. Ball Guest

    In article <Nd0Za.26740$>,
    "Patrick McCart" <> wrote:

    > Ward's estate is spending a million on each season for restoration.
    >
    > It's not any worse than what you'd see on Cartoon Network. In fact,
    > it's smaller than most TV bugs.


    We don't *pay* for DVD's expecting to get f'ing bugs!

    The studio goons try to do stupid things like this, and people will
    start organizing internet boycotts in no time.

    --
    Ian J. Ball | "I can't ask my roommate because he has
    TV lover, and | a work disorder." - Katie about Henry
    Usenet slacker | ATWT 04/09/03
    | http://homepage.mac.com/ijball/TV.html
     
    Ian J. Ball, Aug 9, 2003
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  6. jayembee <> wrote:

    > (Evil) wrote:
    >
    > > I guess I'm being a bit anal, but I've just watched most
    > > of the first disc of the ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE SEASON 1
    > > dvd boxset. What gets me is that at the beginning of each
    > > segment, a "R&B" bug appears for about 20-30sec and then
    > > fades away. WHY????? It's fairly innocuous (Grey and
    > > slightly transparent), but there's no reason for it. wtf
    > > are they thinking?

    >
    > What are they thinking? Probably that they're marking them
    > to make them less attractive for video pirates, or to be
    > able to identify that pirate copies were made from them.
    >
    > Given the number of people who blithely rip DVDs and post
    > the rips to the binaries groups, I can't really say I
    > blame them.
    >
    > > Does this bother anyone else or is it just me?

    >
    > Well, I'd say that it bothers me that I'm not as bothered
    > by it as I should be. While I'd certainly prefer the set
    > to be bug-free, the benefits of having the set -- it is
    > Moose & Squirrel we're talking about here -- more than
    > outweigh the bug (and less-than-stellar transfer) problems.
    >
    > -- jayembee


    While I was thinking about maybe getting it, the bug was the deciding
    factor to not get it. I loathe bugs. Just think before long everything
    will have them. Just like TV.
     
    Frank Malczewski, Aug 9, 2003
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  7. Evil

    Lookingglass Guest

    I too was thinking of getting this but changed my mind after reading about
    the "bug" and the not so good transfer... hopefully season 2 will be better.

    --
    PEACE... Dave www.Shemakhan.com

    ....we know what we are, but know not what we may be.

    Shakespeare
    "Frank Malczewski" <> wrote in message
    news:1fzfc41.nxiwzo1qp0jgsN%...
    > jayembee <> wrote:
    >
    > > (Evil) wrote:
    > >
    > > > I guess I'm being a bit anal, but I've just watched most
    > > > of the first disc of the ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE SEASON 1
    > > > dvd boxset. What gets me is that at the beginning of each
    > > > segment, a "R&B" bug appears for about 20-30sec and then
    > > > fades away. WHY????? It's fairly innocuous (Grey and
    > > > slightly transparent), but there's no reason for it. wtf
    > > > are they thinking?

    > >
    > > What are they thinking? Probably that they're marking them
    > > to make them less attractive for video pirates, or to be
    > > able to identify that pirate copies were made from them.
    > >
    > > Given the number of people who blithely rip DVDs and post
    > > the rips to the binaries groups, I can't really say I
    > > blame them.
    > >
    > > > Does this bother anyone else or is it just me?

    > >
    > > Well, I'd say that it bothers me that I'm not as bothered
    > > by it as I should be. While I'd certainly prefer the set
    > > to be bug-free, the benefits of having the set -- it is
    > > Moose & Squirrel we're talking about here -- more than
    > > outweigh the bug (and less-than-stellar transfer) problems.
    > >
    > > -- jayembee

    >
    > While I was thinking about maybe getting it, the bug was the deciding
    > factor to not get it. I loathe bugs. Just think before long everything
    > will have them. Just like TV.
     
    Lookingglass, Aug 9, 2003
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  8. Evil

    Mike B. Guest

    This should be stopped.

    Mike B.
     
    Mike B., Aug 9, 2003
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  9. Evil

    Evil Guest

    "Scot Gardner" <> wrote in message news:<20030809011008.477$>...
    > "Evil" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > I guess I'm being a bit anal, but I've just watched most of the first
    > > disc of the ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE SEASON 1 dvd boxset. What gets me is
    > > that at the beginning of each segment, a "R&B" bug appears for about
    > > 20-30sec and then fades away. WHY????? It's fairly innocuous (Grey
    > > and slightly transparent), but there's no reason for it. wtf are they
    > > thinking? Does this bother anyone else or is it just me?

    >
    >
    > In answer to your question, "WHY?????", apparently, it's because Sony
    > doesn't give a shit about the quality of this production.
    >
    > I posted this report from Fred Hunter's excellent review site, on August
    > 4, but you must have missed it:
    >
    > Rocky & Bullwinkle: When?


    *snip*

    > http://www.classicsondvd.com/


    Yup, i missed it and a shame, too, b/c if i had read it, likely i
    would not have bought it. As it is, I'm thinking about selling it.

    My biggest worry is for the BUG to become ubiquitous on DVD tv shows
    as it is on tv now. It's a slippery slope that i DON'T want to go on.
     
    Evil, Aug 10, 2003
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  10. Evil

    Invid Fan Guest

    In article <>, Evil
    <> wrote:

    > "Scot Gardner" <> wrote in message
    > news:<20030809011008.477$>...
    > > "Evil" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > I guess I'm being a bit anal, but I've just watched most of the first
    > > > disc of the ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE SEASON 1 dvd boxset. What gets me is
    > > > that at the beginning of each segment, a "R&B" bug appears for about
    > > > 20-30sec and then fades away. WHY????? It's fairly innocuous (Grey
    > > > and slightly transparent), but there's no reason for it. wtf are they
    > > > thinking? Does this bother anyone else or is it just me?

    > >
    > >
    > > In answer to your question, "WHY?????", apparently, it's because Sony
    > > doesn't give a shit about the quality of this production.
    > >

    Or they figure that being the only good prints, it'll be used for tv
    broadcasts overseas. This way they can track things like this.

    > My biggest worry is for the BUG to become ubiquitous on DVD tv shows
    > as it is on tv now. It's a slippery slope that i DON'T want to go on.


    Eh. I can live with it. I don't mind the one on my Private Snafu dvd,
    so probably won't mind it elsewhere. If it's the price of having these
    shows released on dvd so cheaply, so be it.

    --
    Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us.
    'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
    -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
     
    Invid Fan, Aug 10, 2003
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  11. Evil

    Matt Ackeret Guest

    In article <>,
    Evil <> wrote:
    >Yup, i missed it and a shame, too, b/c if i had read it, likely i
    >would not have bought it. As it is, I'm thinking about selling it.


    Just *return* it. (and tell them why you're returning it.)
     
    Matt Ackeret, Aug 11, 2003
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  12. Evil

    Jordan Lund Guest

    (Evil) wrote in message news:<>...

    > My biggest worry is for the BUG to become ubiquitous on DVD tv shows
    > as it is on tv now. It's a slippery slope that i DON'T want to go on.


    As much as I hate it I can understand the logic of it for television.
    When you take into account how many channels are available and how
    much cross-pollenation of programming is going on it kind of makes
    sense to have a little thing id'ing the program/channel that you're
    watching.

    What doesn't make sense is doing it on DVDs. Ideally I won't forget
    what DVD I just put in the player... ;^)

    - Jordan
     
    Jordan Lund, Aug 11, 2003
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  13. Evil

    dbf Guest

    Thats one thing that bugs me about SOMETHING WEIRD video .... all their
    extras are "branded" SWV in the corner...grrrrrrr



    In article <>,
    (Jordan Lund) wrote:

    > (Evil) wrote in message

    news:<>...
    >
    > > My biggest worry is for the BUG to become ubiquitous on DVD tv shows
    > > as it is on tv now. It's a slippery slope that i DON'T want to go on.

    >
    > As much as I hate it I can understand the logic of it for television.
    > When you take into account how many channels are available and how
    > much cross-pollenation of programming is going on it kind of makes
    > sense to have a little thing id'ing the program/channel that you're
    > watching.
    >
    > What doesn't make sense is doing it on DVDs. Ideally I won't forget
    > what DVD I just put in the player... ;^)
    >
    > - Jordan
     
    dbf, Aug 12, 2003
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  14. Evil

    Invid Fan Guest

    In article <>, Mike B.
    <> wrote:

    [I assume I wrote the following, at some point]

    > >"Well, that's the idea. Otherwise nobody would buy new tvs for

    > years."
    >
    >
    >
    > Um...that's the same reason some people are giving up on TV and
    > not buying any new sets altogether.
    >

    And that's a problem, because...? It sounds like this is a win-win
    situation for society as a whole :)

    --
    Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us.
    'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
    -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
     
    Invid Fan, Aug 12, 2003
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  15. Evil

    Nick Cassaro Guest

    In article <>,
    Linda M. Young <> wrote:

    > I would guess it's for anti-pirating reasons, and strikes me as being
    > paranoid. But it is TINY--the way you were all talking, if I hadn't
    > seen the initial post I would have thought it was huge and stayed in
    > the corner the whole time. I had to look for it it's so transparent
    > for the few seconds it's on. Plus it's not any type of an advertising
    > logo...it just says R&B.


    The size of the bug isn't what matters. The fact that there is a bug is
    what is scary. It could turn in to a slippery slope, and before long
    all the things we love about DVDs (unsyndicated, unedited, unbugged
    episodes) will be gone.
     
    Nick Cassaro, Aug 18, 2003
    #15
  16. "Nick Cassaro" <> wrote in message
    news:...

    > what is scary. It could turn in to a slippery slope, and before long
    > all the things we love about DVDs (unsyndicated, unedited, unbugged


    I agree. This is how the dumb things down, by getting us to be grateful just
    have something with a bug, then next it's bugs everywhere.

    Steve
     
    Steve Knoblock, Aug 18, 2003
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  17. Evil

    dbf Guest

    I doubt the bug would dissuade anyone from pirating it if that was their
    intention....for us who buy the legitimate product, it's an annoyance.


    In article <>,
    Nick Cassaro <> wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > Linda M. Young <> wrote:
    >
    > > I would guess it's for anti-pirating reasons, and strikes me as being
    > > paranoid. But it is TINY--the way you were all talking, if I hadn't
    > > seen the initial post I would have thought it was huge and stayed in
    > > the corner the whole time. I had to look for it it's so transparent
    > > for the few seconds it's on. Plus it's not any type of an advertising
    > > logo...it just says R&B.

    >
    > The size of the bug isn't what matters. The fact that there is a bug is
    > what is scary. It could turn in to a slippery slope, and before long
    > all the things we love about DVDs (unsyndicated, unedited, unbugged
    > episodes) will be gone.
     
    dbf, Aug 18, 2003
    #17
  18. Evil

    Invid Fan Guest

    In article <>, dbf
    <> wrote:

    > I doubt the bug would dissuade anyone from pirating it if that was their
    > intention....for us who buy the legitimate product, it's an annoyance.
    >

    Well, tell them... not that you won't buy it because of the bug, but
    that you've seen it pirated despite the bug. That'll get action out of
    them :)

    --
    Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us.
    'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
    -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
     
    Invid Fan, Aug 19, 2003
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  19. Once Upon A Time Nick Cassaro wrote:

    >The size of the bug isn't what matters. The fact that there is a bug is
    >what is scary. It could turn in to a slippery slope, and before long
    >all the things we love about DVDs (unsyndicated, unedited, unbugged
    >episodes) will be gone.


    Some day your Mommy is going to die and you'll have to move out of her
    basement.

    On that day things will snap into perspective, and your overwhelming fear
    of "bugs" will vanish like a fart in the wind.


    **
    Captain Infinity
     
    Captain Infinity, Aug 19, 2003
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