Review of Miramax's DVD for SHAOLIN SOCCER.

Discussion in 'DVD Video' started by Jay G, Aug 21, 2004.

  1. Jay G

    Jay G Guest

    This release has kinda snuck up on me, as it's being released
    next week and it seems nobody is mentioning it.

    Well, IGN has done a review of the new DVD, and there's
    some good news and bad news.
    http://dvd.ign.com/articles/539/539602p1.html

    The Good: The DVD contains the complete uncut Extended
    Version of the film in Cantonese with English subtitles. It
    looks like Miramax has done a decent transfer, with more
    image than the cropped Universe DVD (see comparison
    in article). The Cantonese track is also in 5.1 sound, and
    the subtitles are probably score better than on the Universe
    disc.

    The Bad: The review complains about some grain and
    flickering of the image, as well as a lackluster 5.1 mix.
    It'd be interesting to compare with the Universe 5.1 mix
    to see if it's the same. No DTS track or extras.

    The Ugly: The US Theatrical cut-n-dub hatchet job on
    the disc. At least this might offer a good A-B comparison
    for people arguing the superiority of the original versions of
    films over the Miramax bastardizations of them.

    -Jay
     
    Jay G, Aug 21, 2004
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  2. On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Jay G wrote:

    > The Ugly: The US Theatrical cut-n-dub hatchet job on
    > the disc. At least this might offer a good A-B comparison
    > for people arguing the superiority of the original versions of
    > films over the Miramax bastardizations of them.


    This played in theatres?

    swac
    I just saw the trailer for a year.
     
    Stephen Cooke, Aug 21, 2004
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  3. Stephen Cooke wrote:

    >>The Ugly: The US Theatrical cut-n-dub hatchet job on
    >>the disc. At least this might offer a good A-B comparison
    >>for people arguing the superiority of the original versions of
    >>films over the Miramax bastardizations of them.


    Which means, basically, I have to watch the HK version, and then switch
    over to the US version if I want to see the street-dance scene?

    > This played in theatres?
    >
    > swac
    > I just saw the trailer for a year.


    Three. Count'em. Arthouses. For a week.

    Derek Janssen (think they *pretty* much had the DVD in mind at this point)
     
    Derek Janssen, Aug 21, 2004
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  4. On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:53:20 -0700, Derek Janssen <>
    wrote:

    >Stephen Cooke wrote:
    >
    >>>The Ugly: The US Theatrical cut-n-dub hatchet job on
    >>>the disc. At least this might offer a good A-B comparison
    >>>for people arguing the superiority of the original versions of
    >>>films over the Miramax bastardizations of them.

    >
    >Which means, basically, I have to watch the HK version, and then switch
    >over to the US version if I want to see the street-dance scene?
    >


    Or, you could buy the region-free DVD from www.dddhouse.com, from hong
    kong. Don't worry, this is the legitimate one, not a pirate. It's
    cheap, has DTS, and gives you the option to see the original or the
    special version. I've had it for well over a year now.

    Actually, why doesn't everybody in the US buy the Hong Kong version if
    they want Cantonese? It's cheaper than the US version, it's got
    English subs (the translations are a little clumsy sometimes but not
    distractingly so and it adds to the charm), it's got DTS, it has the
    original theatrical version (not the US one of course) as well as the
    extended cut and you're not supporting Miramax and their butchering.

    Mischa
     
    Mischa van Dinter, Aug 21, 2004
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  5. Jay G

    Black Locust Guest

    In article <4126c580$0$21738$>,
    Derek Janssen <> wrote:

    > Which means, basically, I have to watch the HK version, and then switch
    > over to the US version if I want to see the street-dance scene?


    The street dance is in the Chinese version. This is one example where I
    think including the alternate version of the movie was a waste of disc
    space. The spaced used for the US version would have been better suited
    to some bonus features.

    BTW, I think this movie ranks as one of the single most ridiculous
    pieces of celluloid that I have ever laid my eyes upon. But I suppose
    that's part of it's charm.
    --
    "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.
    They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people,
    and neither do we." - George Dubya Bush

    Vote Kerry 2004
     
    Black Locust, Aug 21, 2004
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  6. Jay G

    Jay G Guest

    Stephen Cooke <> wrote:
    > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Jay G wrote:
    >
    >> The Ugly: The US Theatrical cut-n-dub hatchet job on
    >> the disc. At least this might offer a good A-B comparison
    >> for people arguing the superiority of the original versions of
    >> films over the Miramax bastardizations of them.

    >
    > This played in theatres?
    >
    > I just saw the trailer for a year.


    If you saw the first trailer Miramax run, in front of Spy Kids 2,
    then you would've been waiting for longer than a year.

    It did have a very limited run in theatres, in Cantonse with
    English subtitles. However, Miramax decided to use the
    same print as from their dubbed version, which was cut
    by 25 minutes and had signs and such in the film digitally
    altered to English.

    Miramax had pretty much bungled their handling of the film
    from day one, and it's only finally with the DVD release did
    they actually listen to what the fans wanted.

    -Jay
     
    Jay G, Aug 21, 2004
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  7. Jay G

    Jay G Guest

    Derek Janssen <> wrote:
    > Stephen Cooke wrote:
    >
    >>> The Ugly: The US Theatrical cut-n-dub hatchet job on
    >>> the disc. At least this might offer a good A-B comparison
    >>> for people arguing the superiority of the original versions of
    >>> films over the Miramax bastardizations of them.

    >
    > Which means, basically, I have to watch the HK version, and then
    > switch over to the US version if I want to see the street-dance
    > scene?


    No, the longer version is the Hong Kong Extended Cut, which
    contains the dance sequence and other scenes that weren't
    in the US theatrical or original HK cut.

    >> This played in theatres?

    >
    > Three. Count'em. Arthouses. For a week.


    Actually, it capped out at 14 theaters:
    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=shaolinsoccer.htm

    > (think they *pretty* much had the DVD in mind at this point)


    The theatrical release did seem like a token guesture, at best.

    -Jay
     
    Jay G, Aug 21, 2004
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  8. Jay G

    Jay G Guest

    Mischa van Dinter <> wrote:
    >
    > Or, you could buy the region-free DVD from www.dddhouse.com, from
    > hong kong. Don't worry, this is the legitimate one, not a pirate.
    > It's cheap, has DTS, and gives you the option to see the original
    > or the special version. I've had it for well over a year now.


    I've had it since August of 2001. So, 3 years now? Wow Miramax
    is slow.

    > Actually, why doesn't everybody in the US buy the Hong Kong version
    > if they want Cantonese? It's cheaper than the US version,


    Actually, the US DVD will be on sale for around $12.99 at some
    stores when it's released, which, after you pay for shipping, is
    close to what the HK DVD would cost.

    > it's got English subs (the translations are a little clumsy
    > sometimes but not distractingly so and it adds to the charm),


    I've heard that the subtitles on the US DVD for the Extended Cut
    aren't that great either. One person from another group said
    that they're the worst he's seen from a major US studio.

    > it's got DTS


    The DTS track is great.

    > it has the original theatrical version (not the US one of course)
    > as well as the extended cut


    One thing on the HK DVD that a lot of people complained about
    was that you had activate the extended scenes while watching
    the film. A logo pops up in the top-right while watching the original
    cut, and if you press play, the film skips to an extended scene that
    fits in there. The logos were non-removable if you wanted to watch
    with subs, and there was no automatic way to watch the extended
    version of the film.

    > and you're not supporting Miramax and their butchering.


    Well, one thing Miramax said is that they've included the original
    Cantonese Extended Cut on the DVD due to fan demand. So if
    enough people buy the DVD, it could convince Miramax that
    there's enough demand to release *other* films in their original
    language and length, at least on DVD as an option.

    Of course, that's probably wishful thinking on my part.

    Mischa, I believe you were at one point going to review the
    Dutch DVD release of this film. How did that version turn
    out?

    -Jay
     
    Jay G, Aug 21, 2004
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  9. On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:07:56 -0500, "Jay G" <> wrote:

    >I've had it since August of 2001. So, 3 years now? Wow Miramax
    >is slow.
    >

    Yeah, I think one year was a conservative estimate on my part, it's
    probably closer to two. I know it was out a while before I bought it.


    >Mischa, I believe you were at one point going to review the
    >Dutch DVD release of this film. How did that version turn
    >out?


    I think you're mistaken, I remember mentioning the DVD when I first
    saw it about a year ago but I also remember not wanting to touch it to
    save my life... The cover image on that DVD looks the same as some
    Miramax material I've seen (also probably the US DVD cover but I am
    not sure). There are two versions, the regular DVD with JUST the US
    cut/dub with DD and DTS sound, and one on two discs which also
    contained the cantonese version (in DD and DTS, but the video is
    apparently an NTSC-to-PAL conversion of the Hong Kong transfer,
    resulting in degraded quality and artifacts. And, even though the
    Dutch version does not feature the special version of the movie, the
    logos that indicate a special scene in the original DVD do pop up).
    The movie now sells for €9.99 single disc and €14.99 double disc. The
    two disc is marketed as a special edition, like watching the movie in
    its original cut and language is something special.

    The company that released it is notorious for recycling US and British
    transfers of asian films, meaning that if the company that did the
    transfer only has an English dub, we only get the english dub with
    Dutch subtitles. And, when the original transfer does have the
    original language, the Dutch subtitles are created by running the
    English ones through a very early béta version of Babelfish. It's
    embarassing, women get referred to as "he", plural and singular "you"s
    get mixed up, and even when the language is the original one, the
    amercan habit of filling in silent parts of a movie with off-screen
    dialogue to "explain" what is happening leads to Dutch subtitling of
    silence (Metropolis, for example, but also Mad Max).

    Man, do I HATE Dutch DVDs of Asian movies... they can't seem to get a
    single one right.

    Mischa
     
    Mischa van Dinter, Aug 21, 2004
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  10. Jay G

    Mark Spatny Guest

    Jay G, says...
    > Miramax had pretty much bungled their handling of the film
    > from day one, and it's only finally with the DVD release did
    > they actually listen to what the fans wanted.


    Do you happen to know if Hero is similarly bungled? I've seen the movie
    on a Hong Kong import DVD, and would love to see it in a real theater,
    but not if it is all screwed up like Shaolin Soccer.
     
    Mark Spatny, Aug 22, 2004
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  11. Jay G

    Jay G Guest

    Mark Spatny <> wrote:
    > Jay G, says...
    >> Miramax had pretty much bungled their handling of the film
    >> from day one, and it's only finally with the DVD release did
    >> they actually listen to what the fans wanted.

    >
    > Do you happen to know if Hero is similarly bungled? I've seen the
    > movie on a Hong Kong import DVD, and would love to see it in a real
    > theater, but not if it is all screwed up like Shaolin Soccer.


    For the most part the Miramax release of Hero is the same as
    the theatrical releases of it elsewhere in the world. There are
    some changes in the translation, and the intro text might be little
    more explanatory, but no additional cuts were made.

    Of course, that's because Miramax was co-producer on the film
    and asked for cuts before the film was released anywhere.
    There's a new, 20 minute longer cut available on Chinese DVD
    that just came out about a month ago. From what I've read of
    it, it mostly just extends existing scenes, with no new scenes
    and only a handful of additional dialogue.

    -Jay
     
    Jay G, Aug 23, 2004
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  12. Jay G

    Joshua Zyber Guest

    "Jay G" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > For the most part the Miramax release of Hero is the same as
    > the theatrical releases of it elsewhere in the world. There are
    > some changes in the translation, and the intro text might be little
    > more explanatory, but no additional cuts were made.
    >
    > Of course, that's because Miramax was co-producer on the film
    > and asked for cuts before the film was released anywhere.
    > There's a new, 20 minute longer cut available on Chinese DVD
    > that just came out about a month ago.


    It's actually only 10 minutes longer.
     
    Joshua Zyber, Aug 23, 2004
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  13. Jay G

    Jay G Guest

    Joshua Zyber <> wrote:
    > "Jay G" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> For the most part the Miramax release of Hero is the same as
    >> the theatrical releases of it elsewhere in the world. There are
    >> some changes in the translation, and the intro text might be little
    >> more explanatory, but no additional cuts were made.
    >>
    >> Of course, that's because Miramax was co-producer on the film
    >> and asked for cuts before the film was released anywhere.
    >> There's a new, 20 minute longer cut available on Chinese DVD
    >> that just came out about a month ago.

    >
    > It's actually only 10 minutes longer.


    You're right, I was confusing the actual length with earlier rumors.

    -Jay
     
    Jay G, Aug 23, 2004
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  14. Jay G wrote:

    >>>>The Ugly: The US Theatrical cut-n-dub hatchet job on
    >>>>the disc. At least this might offer a good A-B comparison
    >>>>for people arguing the superiority of the original versions of
    >>>>films over the Miramax bastardizations of them.

    >>
    >>Which means, basically, I have to watch the HK version, and then
    >>switch over to the US version if I want to see the street-dance
    >>scene?

    >
    >
    > No, the longer version is the Hong Kong Extended Cut, which
    > contains the dance sequence and other scenes that weren't
    > in the US theatrical or original HK cut.


    Just so it won't be a total loss:
    The street dance scene IS in the US cut, just in a truncated version--
    Here, it's not as much of a chain reaction; they simply cut from the
    geeky guy speaking up, to the "epidemic" of bystander fire-in-the-eyes.
    Also, most of Bun Girl's "makeover to happiness" subplot has been
    trimmed to focus on the sports.

    ....So, for those who can't get to the import shop, it's not a *COMPLETE*
    waste of a Netflix rental. :)

    Derek Janssen
     
    Derek Janssen, Aug 24, 2004
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