Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM license

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=, Aug 23, 2005.

  1. My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new computer.
    However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many computer
    peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a USB-Bluetooth
    adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I can
    foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.

    I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.

    However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view of a
    consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a member
    of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
     
    =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=, Aug 23, 2005
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    Jerry Guest

    There is no such thing as a downgrade license from XP 64 to XP 32.

    "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    > computer.
    > However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many computer
    > peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    > USB-Bluetooth
    > adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I can
    > foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    >
    > I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    >
    > However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view of
    > a
    > consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a
    > member
    > of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
     
    Jerry, Aug 23, 2005
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  3. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    It would be good if Microsoft provides the downgrade license from XP 64 to XP
    32.

    "Jerry" wrote:

    > There is no such thing as a downgrade license from XP 64 to XP 32.
    >
    > "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    > > computer.
    > > However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many computer
    > > peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    > > USB-Bluetooth
    > > adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I can
    > > foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    > >
    > > I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    > >
    > > However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view of
    > > a
    > > consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a
    > > member
    > > of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.

    >
    >
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=, Aug 23, 2005
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  4. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    One problem is that it is an OEM license.

    "Jeremy Wong 黃泓é‡" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    > It would be good if Microsoft provides the downgrade license from XP 64 to
    > XP
    > 32.
    >
    > "Jerry" wrote:
    >
    >> There is no such thing as a downgrade license from XP 64 to XP 32.
    >>
    >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    >> > computer.
    >> > However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    >> > computer
    >> > peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    >> > USB-Bluetooth
    >> > adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I
    >> > can
    >> > foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    >> >
    >> > I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    >> >
    >> > However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view
    >> > of
    >> > a
    >> > consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a
    >> > member
    >> > of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Colin Barnhorst MVP, Aug 23, 2005
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  5. =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=

    NoNoBadDog! Guest

    "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    > computer.
    > However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many computer
    > peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    > USB-Bluetooth
    > adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I can
    > foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    >
    > I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    >
    > However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view of
    > a
    > consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a
    > member
    > of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.


    There are two problems with your scenario;

    Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If there is to be
    any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not Microsoft.

    Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with Microsoft. Let
    Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their products. Let them
    know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support for a shipping OS.

    Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers for WinXP
    Pro x64.

    Bobby
     
    NoNoBadDog!, Aug 23, 2005
    #5
  6. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    What is the problem as it is an OEM license?

    "Colin Barnhorst MVP" wrote:

    > One problem is that it is an OEM license.
    >
    > "Jeremy Wong 黃泓é‡" <> wrote in message
    > news:D...
    > > It would be good if Microsoft provides the downgrade license from XP 64 to
    > > XP
    > > 32.
    > >
    > > "Jerry" wrote:
    > >
    > >> There is no such thing as a downgrade license from XP 64 to XP 32.
    > >>
    > >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> > My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    > >> > computer.
    > >> > However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    > >> > computer
    > >> > peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    > >> > USB-Bluetooth
    > >> > adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I
    > >> > can
    > >> > foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    > >> >
    > >> > I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    > >> >
    > >> > However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view
    > >> > of
    > >> > a
    > >> > consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a
    > >> > member
    > >> > of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=, Aug 23, 2005
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  7. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when I purchased
    the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a common practice to have
    the OEM license in this way.

    That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The end-user
    obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is "Microsoft
    Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that it is an
    improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded me, at
    least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition" is compatible
    with other products sold under the brand name of "Microsoft Windows XP".

    Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only want to
    have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the product did
    not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the product?

    It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart as we pay
    for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...

    It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to "encourage" the
    hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to provide free
    courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to those hardware
    manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another mean is to have Intel
    and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more. The hardware manufactuers
    may then start to consider a support of the 64-bit windows.


    Jeremy Wong

    "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:

    >
    > "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    > > computer.
    > > However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many computer
    > > peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    > > USB-Bluetooth
    > > adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I can
    > > foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    > >
    > > I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    > >
    > > However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view of
    > > a
    > > consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a
    > > member
    > > of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.

    >
    > There are two problems with your scenario;
    >
    > Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If there is to be
    > any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not Microsoft.
    >
    > Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with Microsoft. Let
    > Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their products. Let them
    > know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support for a shipping OS.
    >
    > Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers for WinXP
    > Pro x64.
    >
    > Bobby
    >
    >
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=, Aug 23, 2005
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  8. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM product is
    NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever linked to
    the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the system
    builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure compatibility
    and provide support for it.
    2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a 32-bit
    license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's tied to the
    computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may remove it
    from one machine and install it on another.
    3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that work fine
    with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it is the
    responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/xperts64

    Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    > It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when I
    > purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a common
    > practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    >
    > That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The end-user
    > obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is "Microsoft
    > Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that it is an
    > improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded me, at
    > least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition" is
    > compatible with other products sold under the brand name of "Microsoft
    > Windows XP".
    >
    > Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only want to
    > have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the product
    > did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the product?
    >
    > It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart as we pay
    > for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    >
    > It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to "encourage" the
    > hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to provide
    > free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to those
    > hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another mean is to
    > have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more. The
    > hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the 64-bit
    > windows.
    >
    >
    > Jeremy Wong
    >
    > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    >>> computer.
    >>> However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    >>> computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    >>> USB-Bluetooth
    >>> adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I can
    >>> foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    >>>
    >>> I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    >>>
    >>> However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view
    >>> of a
    >>> consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a
    >>> member
    >>> of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.

    >>
    >> There are two problems with your scenario;
    >>
    >> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If there is to
    >> be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not Microsoft.
    >>
    >> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with Microsoft. Let
    >> Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their products. Let
    >> them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support for a
    >> shipping OS.
    >>
    >> Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers for
    >> WinXP Pro x64.
    >>
    >> Bobby
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Aug 23, 2005
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  9. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    Because MS is not responsible for selling and supporting it. The PC maker
    is.

    "Jeremy Wong 黃泓é‡" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > What is the problem as it is an OEM license?
    >
    > "Colin Barnhorst MVP" wrote:
    >
    >> One problem is that it is an OEM license.
    >>
    >> "Jeremy Wong 黃泓é‡" <> wrote in message
    >> news:D...
    >> > It would be good if Microsoft provides the downgrade license from XP 64
    >> > to
    >> > XP
    >> > 32.
    >> >
    >> > "Jerry" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> There is no such thing as a downgrade license from XP 64 to XP 32.
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    >> >> message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    >> >> > computer.
    >> >> > However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    >> >> > computer
    >> >> > peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    >> >> > USB-Bluetooth
    >> >> > adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I
    >> >> > can
    >> >> > foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the
    >> >> > view
    >> >> > of
    >> >> > a
    >> >> > consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as
    >> >> > a
    >> >> > member
    >> >> > of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
     
    Colin Barnhorst MVP, Aug 23, 2005
    #9
  10. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    If you were the system builder, how can you ensure the compatibility and
    provide the support? Let you know how the items were purchased. The friend
    bought a computer together with Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition on day 1.
    Then the friend bought the multi-function printer on day 2. The Bluetooth-USB
    adapter was tested with the x64 windows on day 3.

    It is a fact the the OEM license is purchased from a local computer shop.

    It is understood that there is no downgrade path from x64 to 32-bit. I
    request for a creation of the path..

    There are many printers and bluetooth adapters available in the market, few
    of them support 64-bit windows. Supporting 64-bit windows is not the only
    criteria in considering a product. Taking printer into consideration, I would
    calculate the cost of ink, laser toner. I know that HP provides 64-bit
    drivers, but the ink of HP printers is very expensive comparing with other
    products in the market. The bluetooth adapter supports bluetooth headset, it
    requires Windows XP. It works fine in 32-bit XP, never in 64-bit XP.

    It is intuitive to regard the x64 edition as a member of the "Microsoft
    Windows XP" series. I do not observe the requirements of the peripherals
    distinguishing between 32-bit edition and 64-bit edition. Who know that they
    are incompatible in some sense?

    It is a serious problem of "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition"
    including the brand "Microsoft Windows XP", because the x64 edition is not
    compatible with other members of the Microsoft Windows XP family.

    Don't put your customer's trouble as a mean to encourage the hardware
    manufacturer to support 64-bit windows.


    Jeremy Wong

    "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

    > 1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM product is
    > NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever linked to
    > the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the system
    > builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure compatibility
    > and provide support for it.
    > 2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a 32-bit
    > license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's tied to the
    > computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may remove it
    > from one machine and install it on another.
    > 3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that work fine
    > with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it is the
    > responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.
    > http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >
    > Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    > > It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when I
    > > purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a common
    > > practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    > >
    > > That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The end-user
    > > obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is "Microsoft
    > > Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that it is an
    > > improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded me, at
    > > least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition" is
    > > compatible with other products sold under the brand name of "Microsoft
    > > Windows XP".
    > >
    > > Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only want to
    > > have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the product
    > > did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the product?
    > >
    > > It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart as we pay
    > > for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    > >
    > > It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to "encourage" the
    > > hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to provide
    > > free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to those
    > > hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another mean is to
    > > have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more. The
    > > hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the 64-bit
    > > windows.
    > >
    > >
    > > Jeremy Wong
    > >
    > > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >>> My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    > >>> computer.
    > >>> However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    > >>> computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    > >>> USB-Bluetooth
    > >>> adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I can
    > >>> foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    > >>>
    > >>> I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    > >>>
    > >>> However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view
    > >>> of a
    > >>> consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a
    > >>> member
    > >>> of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    > >>
    > >> There are two problems with your scenario;
    > >>
    > >> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If there is to
    > >> be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not Microsoft.
    > >>
    > >> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with Microsoft. Let
    > >> Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their products. Let
    > >> them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support for a
    > >> shipping OS.
    > >>
    > >> Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers for
    > >> WinXP Pro x64.
    > >>
    > >> Bobby

    >
    >
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=, Aug 23, 2005
    #10
  11. =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=

    NoNoBadDog! Guest

    Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    See my inline answers;


    "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > If you were the system builder, how can you ensure the compatibility and
    > provide the support? Let you know how the items were purchased. The friend
    > bought a computer together with Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition on day 1.
    > Then the friend bought the multi-function printer on day 2. The
    > Bluetooth-USB
    > adapter was tested with the x64 windows on day 3.
    >
    > It is a fact the the OEM license is purchased from a local computer shop.
    >
    > It is understood that there is no downgrade path from x64 to 32-bit. I
    > request for a creation of the path..


    Again, you really need to understand that Microsoft has no obligation in
    regard to your
    current problem.

    >
    > There are many printers and bluetooth adapters available in the market,
    > few
    > of them support 64-bit windows. Supporting 64-bit windows is not the only
    > criteria in considering a product. Taking printer into consideration, I
    > would
    > calculate the cost of ink, laser toner. I know that HP provides 64-bit
    > drivers, but the ink of HP printers is very expensive comparing with other
    > products in the market. The bluetooth adapter supports bluetooth headset,
    > it
    > requires Windows XP. It works fine in 32-bit XP, never in 64-bit XP.


    Two points;

    1. You (or your friend) chose the printer. Evidently, the choice was made
    without regard
    to the fact that there are no 64 bit drivers for it. The printer was not
    manufactured by Microsoft.
    The printer is not supported by Microsoft. Why should Microsoft be held
    responsible for a
    purchase decision either you or your friend made?

    I own several HP printers. I do the majority of my printing in draft mode.
    I do a lot of printing.
    My HP cartridges last for months, and are very economical considering the
    number of pages
    (both text and color) that I get. Your afrgument about the cost of ink has
    not bearing on your vain attempt to make Microsoft culpable for your (or
    your friends) lack of reseach and inept buying of products known to be
    unsupported by Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
    >
    > It is intuitive to regard the x64 edition as a member of the "Microsoft
    > Windows XP" series. I do not observe the requirements of the peripherals
    > distinguishing between 32-bit edition and 64-bit edition. Who know that
    > they
    > are incompatible in some sense?


    Just because you do not "observe" the requirements, it does not make anyone
    else responsible.
    Anyone with basic computer skills that can use a search engine can very
    quickly and very easily learn what peripherals are supported, and which are
    not. Your arrogance does not exclude or protect you,
    and your arrogance most definitely does not make Microsoft or anyone else
    responsible for your decisions and choices. You sound like a spoiled little
    baby here.
    >
    > It is a serious problem of "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition"
    > including the brand "Microsoft Windows XP", because the x64 edition is not
    > compatible with other members of the Microsoft Windows XP family.


    This is a wild statement to make. You have no concept of what you are
    claiming here. May Microsoft "family" applications run fine: Microsoft
    Office, Windows Movie Maker, etc, run just fine under Microsoft Windows XP
    x64 Professional Edition. You fail to grasp the reality here...
    >
    > Don't put your customer's trouble as a mean to encourage the hardware
    > manufacturer to support 64-bit windows.


    Unless you make your dissatisfaction known, then it is even more unlikely
    that Canon or any other
    manufacturer will do anyhing ...again you miss the point entirely. Vote
    with your wallet, and boycott any and every OEM that does not support
    Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition. There are many that do, and
    many that don't. Send emails to those that don't. Tell them that they have
    lost another customer. If one person does it, so what? If everyone who has
    problems does it, and stops buying their products, then they will *have* to
    do something. Your whining to Microsoft will serve no purpose. Microsoft is
    under no obligation whatsoever to provide drivers for the hardware you
    bought. Please read the preceeding sentence over and over until it begins
    to sink in to your adlled brain. You are barking up the wrong tree...

    Bobby







    >
    > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >
    >> 1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM product
    >> is
    >> NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever linked to
    >> the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the system
    >> builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure
    >> compatibility
    >> and provide support for it.
    >> 2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a 32-bit
    >> license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's tied to
    >> the
    >> computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may remove
    >> it
    >> from one machine and install it on another.
    >> 3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that work
    >> fine
    >> with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it is the
    >> responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Charlie.
    >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >>
    >> Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    >> > It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when I
    >> > purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a common
    >> > practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    >> >
    >> > That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The end-user
    >> > obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is "Microsoft
    >> > Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that it is
    >> > an
    >> > improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded me, at
    >> > least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition" is
    >> > compatible with other products sold under the brand name of "Microsoft
    >> > Windows XP".
    >> >
    >> > Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only want
    >> > to
    >> > have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the product
    >> > did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the product?
    >> >
    >> > It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart as we
    >> > pay
    >> > for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    >> >
    >> > It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to "encourage"
    >> > the
    >> > hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to provide
    >> > free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to those
    >> > hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another mean is
    >> > to
    >> > have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more. The
    >> > hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the
    >> > 64-bit
    >> > windows.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Jeremy Wong
    >> >
    >> > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    >> >> message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >>> My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    >> >>> computer.
    >> >>> However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    >> >>> computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work
    >> >>> with a
    >> >>> USB-Bluetooth
    >> >>> adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I
    >> >>> can
    >> >>> foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the
    >> >>> view
    >> >>> of a
    >> >>> consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as
    >> >>> a
    >> >>> member
    >> >>> of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    >> >>
    >> >> There are two problems with your scenario;
    >> >>
    >> >> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If there is
    >> >> to
    >> >> be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not
    >> >> Microsoft.
    >> >>
    >> >> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with Microsoft.
    >> >> Let
    >> >> Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their products. Let
    >> >> them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support for a
    >> >> shipping OS.
    >> >>
    >> >> Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers for
    >> >> WinXP Pro x64.
    >> >>
    >> >> Bobby

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    NoNoBadDog!, Aug 23, 2005
    #11
  12. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    Can a PC maker support the 64-bit issue..?

    "Colin Barnhorst MVP" wrote:

    > Because MS is not responsible for selling and supporting it. The PC maker
    > is.
    >
    > "Jeremy Wong 黃泓é‡" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > What is the problem as it is an OEM license?
    > >
    > > "Colin Barnhorst MVP" wrote:
    > >
    > >> One problem is that it is an OEM license.
    > >>
    > >> "Jeremy Wong 黃泓é‡" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:D...
    > >> > It would be good if Microsoft provides the downgrade license from XP 64
    > >> > to
    > >> > XP
    > >> > 32.
    > >> >
    > >> > "Jerry" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> There is no such thing as a downgrade license from XP 64 to XP 32.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    > >> >> message
    > >> >> news:...
    > >> >> > My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    > >> >> > computer.
    > >> >> > However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    > >> >> > computer
    > >> >> > peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    > >> >> > USB-Bluetooth
    > >> >> > adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I
    > >> >> > can
    > >> >> > foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the
    > >> >> > view
    > >> >> > of
    > >> >> > a
    > >> >> > consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as
    > >> >> > a
    > >> >> > member
    > >> >> > of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=, Aug 23, 2005
    #12
  13. =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=

    NoNoBadDog! Guest

    Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    Yes; it is what is intended. Windows XP professional is sold as an OEM only
    purchase to be supported by the vendor you bought it from. If they do not
    support it, you are out of luck.
    Are you going to continue to beat this poor dead horse forever? Microsoft
    has no obligation to you in this matter. Never did, never will. Accept it.
    Go on with your life. Learn from this experience. Don't jump into
    something unless you are fully aware of what you are getting into.

    Microsoft owes you nothing.

    Stop whining.

    Bobby

    "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Can a PC maker support the 64-bit issue..?
    >
    > "Colin Barnhorst MVP" wrote:
    >
    >> Because MS is not responsible for selling and supporting it. The PC
    >> maker
    >> is.
    >>
    >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > What is the problem as it is an OEM license?
    >> >
    >> > "Colin Barnhorst MVP" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> One problem is that it is an OEM license.
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    >> >> message
    >> >> news:D...
    >> >> > It would be good if Microsoft provides the downgrade license from XP
    >> >> > 64
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > XP
    >> >> > 32.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Jerry" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> There is no such thing as a downgrade license from XP 64 to XP 32.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    >> >> >> message
    >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >> > My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her
    >> >> >> > new
    >> >> >> > computer.
    >> >> >> > However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    >> >> >> > computer
    >> >> >> > peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    >> >> >> > USB-Bluetooth
    >> >> >> > adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon
    >> >> >> > MF5650). I
    >> >> >> > can
    >> >> >> > foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the
    >> >> >> > view
    >> >> >> > of
    >> >> >> > a
    >> >> >> > consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64"
    >> >> >> > as
    >> >> >> > a
    >> >> >> > member
    >> >> >> > of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
     
    NoNoBadDog!, Aug 23, 2005
    #13
  14. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    Good reply.

    I conclude that Microsoft does not take the responsibility, so does Canon.

    "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:

    > See my inline answers;
    >
    >
    > "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > If you were the system builder, how can you ensure the compatibility and
    > > provide the support? Let you know how the items were purchased. The friend
    > > bought a computer together with Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition on day 1.
    > > Then the friend bought the multi-function printer on day 2. The
    > > Bluetooth-USB
    > > adapter was tested with the x64 windows on day 3.
    > >
    > > It is a fact the the OEM license is purchased from a local computer shop.
    > >
    > > It is understood that there is no downgrade path from x64 to 32-bit. I
    > > request for a creation of the path..

    >
    > Again, you really need to understand that Microsoft has no obligation in
    > regard to your
    > current problem.
    >
    > >
    > > There are many printers and bluetooth adapters available in the market,
    > > few
    > > of them support 64-bit windows. Supporting 64-bit windows is not the only
    > > criteria in considering a product. Taking printer into consideration, I
    > > would
    > > calculate the cost of ink, laser toner. I know that HP provides 64-bit
    > > drivers, but the ink of HP printers is very expensive comparing with other
    > > products in the market. The bluetooth adapter supports bluetooth headset,
    > > it
    > > requires Windows XP. It works fine in 32-bit XP, never in 64-bit XP.

    >
    > Two points;
    >
    > 1. You (or your friend) chose the printer. Evidently, the choice was made
    > without regard
    > to the fact that there are no 64 bit drivers for it. The printer was not
    > manufactured by Microsoft.
    > The printer is not supported by Microsoft. Why should Microsoft be held
    > responsible for a
    > purchase decision either you or your friend made?
    >
    > I own several HP printers. I do the majority of my printing in draft mode.
    > I do a lot of printing.
    > My HP cartridges last for months, and are very economical considering the
    > number of pages
    > (both text and color) that I get. Your afrgument about the cost of ink has
    > not bearing on your vain attempt to make Microsoft culpable for your (or
    > your friends) lack of reseach and inept buying of products known to be
    > unsupported by Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
    > >
    > > It is intuitive to regard the x64 edition as a member of the "Microsoft
    > > Windows XP" series. I do not observe the requirements of the peripherals
    > > distinguishing between 32-bit edition and 64-bit edition. Who know that
    > > they
    > > are incompatible in some sense?

    >
    > Just because you do not "observe" the requirements, it does not make anyone
    > else responsible.
    > Anyone with basic computer skills that can use a search engine can very
    > quickly and very easily learn what peripherals are supported, and which are
    > not. Your arrogance does not exclude or protect you,
    > and your arrogance most definitely does not make Microsoft or anyone else
    > responsible for your decisions and choices. You sound like a spoiled little
    > baby here.
    > >
    > > It is a serious problem of "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition"
    > > including the brand "Microsoft Windows XP", because the x64 edition is not
    > > compatible with other members of the Microsoft Windows XP family.

    >
    > This is a wild statement to make. You have no concept of what you are
    > claiming here. May Microsoft "family" applications run fine: Microsoft
    > Office, Windows Movie Maker, etc, run just fine under Microsoft Windows XP
    > x64 Professional Edition. You fail to grasp the reality here...
    > >
    > > Don't put your customer's trouble as a mean to encourage the hardware
    > > manufacturer to support 64-bit windows.

    >
    > Unless you make your dissatisfaction known, then it is even more unlikely
    > that Canon or any other
    > manufacturer will do anyhing ...again you miss the point entirely. Vote
    > with your wallet, and boycott any and every OEM that does not support
    > Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition. There are many that do, and
    > many that don't. Send emails to those that don't. Tell them that they have
    > lost another customer. If one person does it, so what? If everyone who has
    > problems does it, and stops buying their products, then they will *have* to
    > do something. Your whining to Microsoft will serve no purpose. Microsoft is
    > under no obligation whatsoever to provide drivers for the hardware you
    > bought. Please read the preceeding sentence over and over until it begins
    > to sink in to your adlled brain. You are barking up the wrong tree...
    >
    > Bobby
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    > >
    > >> 1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM product
    > >> is
    > >> NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever linked to
    > >> the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the system
    > >> builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure
    > >> compatibility
    > >> and provide support for it.
    > >> 2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a 32-bit
    > >> license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's tied to
    > >> the
    > >> computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may remove
    > >> it
    > >> from one machine and install it on another.
    > >> 3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that work
    > >> fine
    > >> with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it is the
    > >> responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Charlie.
    > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    > >>
    > >> Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    > >> > It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when I
    > >> > purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a common
    > >> > practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    > >> >
    > >> > That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The end-user
    > >> > obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is "Microsoft
    > >> > Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that it is
    > >> > an
    > >> > improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded me, at
    > >> > least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition" is
    > >> > compatible with other products sold under the brand name of "Microsoft
    > >> > Windows XP".
    > >> >
    > >> > Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only want
    > >> > to
    > >> > have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the product
    > >> > did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the product?
    > >> >
    > >> > It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart as we
    > >> > pay
    > >> > for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    > >> >
    > >> > It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to "encourage"
    > >> > the
    > >> > hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to provide
    > >> > free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to those
    > >> > hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another mean is
    > >> > to
    > >> > have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more. The
    > >> > hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the
    > >> > 64-bit
    > >> > windows.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > Jeremy Wong
    > >> >
    > >> > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    > >> >> message
    > >> >> news:...
    > >> >>> My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    > >> >>> computer.
    > >> >>> However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    > >> >>> computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work
    > >> >>> with a
    > >> >>> USB-Bluetooth
    > >> >>> adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I
    > >> >>> can
    > >> >>> foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the
    > >> >>> view
    > >> >>> of a
    > >> >>> consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as
    > >> >>> a
    > >> >>> member
    > >> >>> of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> There are two problems with your scenario;
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If there is
    > >> >> to
    > >> >> be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not
    > >> >> Microsoft.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with Microsoft.
    > >> >> Let
    > >> >> Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their products. Let
    > >> >> them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support for a
    > >> >> shipping OS.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers for
    > >> >> WinXP Pro x64.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Bobby
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=, Aug 23, 2005
    #14
  15. =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=

    John Barnes Guest

    Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    There is a downgrade path. It's called buy an x86 license or product. You
    are the one who failed to take advantage of the 'trial' version to make sure
    that it was right for you.



    "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    > Good reply.
    >
    > I conclude that Microsoft does not take the responsibility, so does Canon.
    >
    > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >
    >> See my inline answers;
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > If you were the system builder, how can you ensure the compatibility
    >> > and
    >> > provide the support? Let you know how the items were purchased. The
    >> > friend
    >> > bought a computer together with Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition on day
    >> > 1.
    >> > Then the friend bought the multi-function printer on day 2. The
    >> > Bluetooth-USB
    >> > adapter was tested with the x64 windows on day 3.
    >> >
    >> > It is a fact the the OEM license is purchased from a local computer
    >> > shop.
    >> >
    >> > It is understood that there is no downgrade path from x64 to 32-bit. I
    >> > request for a creation of the path..

    >>
    >> Again, you really need to understand that Microsoft has no obligation in
    >> regard to your
    >> current problem.
    >>
    >> >
    >> > There are many printers and bluetooth adapters available in the market,
    >> > few
    >> > of them support 64-bit windows. Supporting 64-bit windows is not the
    >> > only
    >> > criteria in considering a product. Taking printer into consideration, I
    >> > would
    >> > calculate the cost of ink, laser toner. I know that HP provides 64-bit
    >> > drivers, but the ink of HP printers is very expensive comparing with
    >> > other
    >> > products in the market. The bluetooth adapter supports bluetooth
    >> > headset,
    >> > it
    >> > requires Windows XP. It works fine in 32-bit XP, never in 64-bit XP.

    >>
    >> Two points;
    >>
    >> 1. You (or your friend) chose the printer. Evidently, the choice was
    >> made
    >> without regard
    >> to the fact that there are no 64 bit drivers for it. The printer was not
    >> manufactured by Microsoft.
    >> The printer is not supported by Microsoft. Why should Microsoft be held
    >> responsible for a
    >> purchase decision either you or your friend made?
    >>
    >> I own several HP printers. I do the majority of my printing in draft
    >> mode.
    >> I do a lot of printing.
    >> My HP cartridges last for months, and are very economical considering the
    >> number of pages
    >> (both text and color) that I get. Your afrgument about the cost of ink
    >> has
    >> not bearing on your vain attempt to make Microsoft culpable for your (or
    >> your friends) lack of reseach and inept buying of products known to be
    >> unsupported by Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
    >> >
    >> > It is intuitive to regard the x64 edition as a member of the "Microsoft
    >> > Windows XP" series. I do not observe the requirements of the
    >> > peripherals
    >> > distinguishing between 32-bit edition and 64-bit edition. Who know that
    >> > they
    >> > are incompatible in some sense?

    >>
    >> Just because you do not "observe" the requirements, it does not make
    >> anyone
    >> else responsible.
    >> Anyone with basic computer skills that can use a search engine can very
    >> quickly and very easily learn what peripherals are supported, and which
    >> are
    >> not. Your arrogance does not exclude or protect you,
    >> and your arrogance most definitely does not make Microsoft or anyone else
    >> responsible for your decisions and choices. You sound like a spoiled
    >> little
    >> baby here.
    >> >
    >> > It is a serious problem of "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional
    >> > Edition"
    >> > including the brand "Microsoft Windows XP", because the x64 edition is
    >> > not
    >> > compatible with other members of the Microsoft Windows XP family.

    >>
    >> This is a wild statement to make. You have no concept of what you are
    >> claiming here. May Microsoft "family" applications run fine: Microsoft
    >> Office, Windows Movie Maker, etc, run just fine under Microsoft Windows
    >> XP
    >> x64 Professional Edition. You fail to grasp the reality here...
    >> >
    >> > Don't put your customer's trouble as a mean to encourage the hardware
    >> > manufacturer to support 64-bit windows.

    >>
    >> Unless you make your dissatisfaction known, then it is even more unlikely
    >> that Canon or any other
    >> manufacturer will do anyhing ...again you miss the point entirely. Vote
    >> with your wallet, and boycott any and every OEM that does not support
    >> Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition. There are many that do,
    >> and
    >> many that don't. Send emails to those that don't. Tell them that they
    >> have
    >> lost another customer. If one person does it, so what? If everyone who
    >> has
    >> problems does it, and stops buying their products, then they will *have*
    >> to
    >> do something. Your whining to Microsoft will serve no purpose. Microsoft
    >> is
    >> under no obligation whatsoever to provide drivers for the hardware you
    >> bought. Please read the preceeding sentence over and over until it
    >> begins
    >> to sink in to your adlled brain. You are barking up the wrong tree...
    >>
    >> Bobby
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> >
    >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> 1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM
    >> >> product
    >> >> is
    >> >> NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever linked
    >> >> to
    >> >> the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the
    >> >> system
    >> >> builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure
    >> >> compatibility
    >> >> and provide support for it.
    >> >> 2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a 32-bit
    >> >> license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's tied
    >> >> to
    >> >> the
    >> >> computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may
    >> >> remove
    >> >> it
    >> >> from one machine and install it on another.
    >> >> 3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that
    >> >> work
    >> >> fine
    >> >> with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it is
    >> >> the
    >> >> responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Charlie.
    >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >> >>
    >> >> Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    >> >> > It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when I
    >> >> > purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a common
    >> >> > practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The
    >> >> > end-user
    >> >> > obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is
    >> >> > "Microsoft
    >> >> > Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that it
    >> >> > is
    >> >> > an
    >> >> > improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded me,
    >> >> > at
    >> >> > least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition" is
    >> >> > compatible with other products sold under the brand name of
    >> >> > "Microsoft
    >> >> > Windows XP".
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only
    >> >> > want
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the
    >> >> > product
    >> >> > did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the
    >> >> > product?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart as
    >> >> > we
    >> >> > pay
    >> >> > for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to
    >> >> > "encourage"
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to
    >> >> > provide
    >> >> > free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to
    >> >> > those
    >> >> > hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another mean
    >> >> > is
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more. The
    >> >> > hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the
    >> >> > 64-bit
    >> >> > windows.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Jeremy Wong
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    >> >> >> message
    >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >>> My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her
    >> >> >>> new
    >> >> >>> computer.
    >> >> >>> However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    >> >> >>> computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work
    >> >> >>> with a
    >> >> >>> USB-Bluetooth
    >> >> >>> adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650).
    >> >> >>> I
    >> >> >>> can
    >> >> >>> foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>> I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>> However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the
    >> >> >>> view
    >> >> >>> of a
    >> >> >>> consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64"
    >> >> >>> as
    >> >> >>> a
    >> >> >>> member
    >> >> >>> of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> There are two problems with your scenario;
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If there
    >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not
    >> >> >> Microsoft.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with
    >> >> >> Microsoft.
    >> >> >> Let
    >> >> >> Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their products.
    >> >> >> Let
    >> >> >> them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support for a
    >> >> >> shipping OS.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> WinXP Pro x64.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Bobby
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    John Barnes, Aug 23, 2005
    #15
  16. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    It sounds a good news to me. However I cannot find the x86 license available
    from Microsoft's web site. Could you provide the SKU code of the x86 license
    so that I may order it for my friend.

    "John Barnes" wrote:

    > There is a downgrade path. It's called buy an x86 license or product. You
    > are the one who failed to take advantage of the 'trial' version to make sure
    > that it was right for you.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    > news:D...
    > > Good reply.
    > >
    > > I conclude that Microsoft does not take the responsibility, so does Canon.
    > >
    > > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    > >
    > >> See my inline answers;
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:...
    > >> > If you were the system builder, how can you ensure the compatibility
    > >> > and
    > >> > provide the support? Let you know how the items were purchased. The
    > >> > friend
    > >> > bought a computer together with Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition on day
    > >> > 1.
    > >> > Then the friend bought the multi-function printer on day 2. The
    > >> > Bluetooth-USB
    > >> > adapter was tested with the x64 windows on day 3.
    > >> >
    > >> > It is a fact the the OEM license is purchased from a local computer
    > >> > shop.
    > >> >
    > >> > It is understood that there is no downgrade path from x64 to 32-bit. I
    > >> > request for a creation of the path..
    > >>
    > >> Again, you really need to understand that Microsoft has no obligation in
    > >> regard to your
    > >> current problem.
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> > There are many printers and bluetooth adapters available in the market,
    > >> > few
    > >> > of them support 64-bit windows. Supporting 64-bit windows is not the
    > >> > only
    > >> > criteria in considering a product. Taking printer into consideration, I
    > >> > would
    > >> > calculate the cost of ink, laser toner. I know that HP provides 64-bit
    > >> > drivers, but the ink of HP printers is very expensive comparing with
    > >> > other
    > >> > products in the market. The bluetooth adapter supports bluetooth
    > >> > headset,
    > >> > it
    > >> > requires Windows XP. It works fine in 32-bit XP, never in 64-bit XP.
    > >>
    > >> Two points;
    > >>
    > >> 1. You (or your friend) chose the printer. Evidently, the choice was
    > >> made
    > >> without regard
    > >> to the fact that there are no 64 bit drivers for it. The printer was not
    > >> manufactured by Microsoft.
    > >> The printer is not supported by Microsoft. Why should Microsoft be held
    > >> responsible for a
    > >> purchase decision either you or your friend made?
    > >>
    > >> I own several HP printers. I do the majority of my printing in draft
    > >> mode.
    > >> I do a lot of printing.
    > >> My HP cartridges last for months, and are very economical considering the
    > >> number of pages
    > >> (both text and color) that I get. Your afrgument about the cost of ink
    > >> has
    > >> not bearing on your vain attempt to make Microsoft culpable for your (or
    > >> your friends) lack of reseach and inept buying of products known to be
    > >> unsupported by Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
    > >> >
    > >> > It is intuitive to regard the x64 edition as a member of the "Microsoft
    > >> > Windows XP" series. I do not observe the requirements of the
    > >> > peripherals
    > >> > distinguishing between 32-bit edition and 64-bit edition. Who know that
    > >> > they
    > >> > are incompatible in some sense?
    > >>
    > >> Just because you do not "observe" the requirements, it does not make
    > >> anyone
    > >> else responsible.
    > >> Anyone with basic computer skills that can use a search engine can very
    > >> quickly and very easily learn what peripherals are supported, and which
    > >> are
    > >> not. Your arrogance does not exclude or protect you,
    > >> and your arrogance most definitely does not make Microsoft or anyone else
    > >> responsible for your decisions and choices. You sound like a spoiled
    > >> little
    > >> baby here.
    > >> >
    > >> > It is a serious problem of "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional
    > >> > Edition"
    > >> > including the brand "Microsoft Windows XP", because the x64 edition is
    > >> > not
    > >> > compatible with other members of the Microsoft Windows XP family.
    > >>
    > >> This is a wild statement to make. You have no concept of what you are
    > >> claiming here. May Microsoft "family" applications run fine: Microsoft
    > >> Office, Windows Movie Maker, etc, run just fine under Microsoft Windows
    > >> XP
    > >> x64 Professional Edition. You fail to grasp the reality here...
    > >> >
    > >> > Don't put your customer's trouble as a mean to encourage the hardware
    > >> > manufacturer to support 64-bit windows.
    > >>
    > >> Unless you make your dissatisfaction known, then it is even more unlikely
    > >> that Canon or any other
    > >> manufacturer will do anyhing ...again you miss the point entirely. Vote
    > >> with your wallet, and boycott any and every OEM that does not support
    > >> Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition. There are many that do,
    > >> and
    > >> many that don't. Send emails to those that don't. Tell them that they
    > >> have
    > >> lost another customer. If one person does it, so what? If everyone who
    > >> has
    > >> problems does it, and stops buying their products, then they will *have*
    > >> to
    > >> do something. Your whining to Microsoft will serve no purpose. Microsoft
    > >> is
    > >> under no obligation whatsoever to provide drivers for the hardware you
    > >> bought. Please read the preceeding sentence over and over until it
    > >> begins
    > >> to sink in to your adlled brain. You are barking up the wrong tree...
    > >>
    > >> Bobby
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> 1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM
    > >> >> product
    > >> >> is
    > >> >> NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever linked
    > >> >> to
    > >> >> the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the
    > >> >> system
    > >> >> builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure
    > >> >> compatibility
    > >> >> and provide support for it.
    > >> >> 2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a 32-bit
    > >> >> license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's tied
    > >> >> to
    > >> >> the
    > >> >> computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may
    > >> >> remove
    > >> >> it
    > >> >> from one machine and install it on another.
    > >> >> 3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that
    > >> >> work
    > >> >> fine
    > >> >> with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it is
    > >> >> the
    > >> >> responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> Charlie.
    > >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    > >> >> > It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when I
    > >> >> > purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a common
    > >> >> > practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The
    > >> >> > end-user
    > >> >> > obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is
    > >> >> > "Microsoft
    > >> >> > Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that it
    > >> >> > is
    > >> >> > an
    > >> >> > improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded me,
    > >> >> > at
    > >> >> > least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition" is
    > >> >> > compatible with other products sold under the brand name of
    > >> >> > "Microsoft
    > >> >> > Windows XP".
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only
    > >> >> > want
    > >> >> > to
    > >> >> > have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the
    > >> >> > product
    > >> >> > did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the
    > >> >> > product?
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart as
    > >> >> > we
    > >> >> > pay
    > >> >> > for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to
    > >> >> > "encourage"
    > >> >> > the
    > >> >> > hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to
    > >> >> > provide
    > >> >> > free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to
    > >> >> > those
    > >> >> > hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another mean
    > >> >> > is
    > >> >> > to
    > >> >> > have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more. The
    > >> >> > hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the
    > >> >> > 64-bit
    > >> >> > windows.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Jeremy Wong
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    > >> >> >> message
    > >> >> >> news:...
    > >> >> >>> My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her
    > >> >> >>> new
    > >> >> >>> computer.
    > >> >> >>> However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    > >> >> >>> computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work
    > >> >> >>> with a
    > >> >> >>> USB-Bluetooth
    > >> >> >>> adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650).
    > >> >> >>> I
    > >> >> >>> can
    > >> >> >>> foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    > >> >> >>>
    > >> >> >>> I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    > >> >> >>>
    > >> >> >>> However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the
    > >> >> >>> view
    > >> >> >>> of a
    > >> >> >>> consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64"
    > >> >> >>> as
    > >> >> >>> a
    > >> >> >>> member
    > >> >> >>> of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> There are two problems with your scenario;
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If there
    > >> >> >> is
    > >> >> >> to
    > >> >> >> be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not
    > >> >> >> Microsoft.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with
    > >> >> >> Microsoft.
    > >> >> >> Let
    > >> >> >> Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their products.
    > >> >> >> Let
    > >> >> >> them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support for a
    > >> >> >> shipping OS.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers
    > >> >> >> for
    > >> >> >> WinXP Pro x64.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Bobby
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=, Aug 23, 2005
    #16
  17. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    The x86 license is not a bargain. It costs as much or more than you can buy
    32-bit XP retail edition for on eBay.

    "Jeremy Wong 黃泓é‡" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    > It sounds a good news to me. However I cannot find the x86 license
    > available
    > from Microsoft's web site. Could you provide the SKU code of the x86
    > license
    > so that I may order it for my friend.
    >
    > "John Barnes" wrote:
    >
    >> There is a downgrade path. It's called buy an x86 license or product.
    >> You
    >> are the one who failed to take advantage of the 'trial' version to make
    >> sure
    >> that it was right for you.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    >> news:D...
    >> > Good reply.
    >> >
    >> > I conclude that Microsoft does not take the responsibility, so does
    >> > Canon.
    >> >
    >> > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> See my inline answers;
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    >> >> message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > If you were the system builder, how can you ensure the compatibility
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > provide the support? Let you know how the items were purchased. The
    >> >> > friend
    >> >> > bought a computer together with Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition on
    >> >> > day
    >> >> > 1.
    >> >> > Then the friend bought the multi-function printer on day 2. The
    >> >> > Bluetooth-USB
    >> >> > adapter was tested with the x64 windows on day 3.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is a fact the the OEM license is purchased from a local computer
    >> >> > shop.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is understood that there is no downgrade path from x64 to 32-bit.
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > request for a creation of the path..
    >> >>
    >> >> Again, you really need to understand that Microsoft has no obligation
    >> >> in
    >> >> regard to your
    >> >> current problem.
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> > There are many printers and bluetooth adapters available in the
    >> >> > market,
    >> >> > few
    >> >> > of them support 64-bit windows. Supporting 64-bit windows is not the
    >> >> > only
    >> >> > criteria in considering a product. Taking printer into
    >> >> > consideration, I
    >> >> > would
    >> >> > calculate the cost of ink, laser toner. I know that HP provides
    >> >> > 64-bit
    >> >> > drivers, but the ink of HP printers is very expensive comparing with
    >> >> > other
    >> >> > products in the market. The bluetooth adapter supports bluetooth
    >> >> > headset,
    >> >> > it
    >> >> > requires Windows XP. It works fine in 32-bit XP, never in 64-bit XP.
    >> >>
    >> >> Two points;
    >> >>
    >> >> 1. You (or your friend) chose the printer. Evidently, the choice was
    >> >> made
    >> >> without regard
    >> >> to the fact that there are no 64 bit drivers for it. The printer was
    >> >> not
    >> >> manufactured by Microsoft.
    >> >> The printer is not supported by Microsoft. Why should Microsoft be
    >> >> held
    >> >> responsible for a
    >> >> purchase decision either you or your friend made?
    >> >>
    >> >> I own several HP printers. I do the majority of my printing in draft
    >> >> mode.
    >> >> I do a lot of printing.
    >> >> My HP cartridges last for months, and are very economical considering
    >> >> the
    >> >> number of pages
    >> >> (both text and color) that I get. Your afrgument about the cost of
    >> >> ink
    >> >> has
    >> >> not bearing on your vain attempt to make Microsoft culpable for your
    >> >> (or
    >> >> your friends) lack of reseach and inept buying of products known to be
    >> >> unsupported by Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is intuitive to regard the x64 edition as a member of the
    >> >> > "Microsoft
    >> >> > Windows XP" series. I do not observe the requirements of the
    >> >> > peripherals
    >> >> > distinguishing between 32-bit edition and 64-bit edition. Who know
    >> >> > that
    >> >> > they
    >> >> > are incompatible in some sense?
    >> >>
    >> >> Just because you do not "observe" the requirements, it does not make
    >> >> anyone
    >> >> else responsible.
    >> >> Anyone with basic computer skills that can use a search engine can
    >> >> very
    >> >> quickly and very easily learn what peripherals are supported, and
    >> >> which
    >> >> are
    >> >> not. Your arrogance does not exclude or protect you,
    >> >> and your arrogance most definitely does not make Microsoft or anyone
    >> >> else
    >> >> responsible for your decisions and choices. You sound like a spoiled
    >> >> little
    >> >> baby here.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is a serious problem of "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional
    >> >> > Edition"
    >> >> > including the brand "Microsoft Windows XP", because the x64 edition
    >> >> > is
    >> >> > not
    >> >> > compatible with other members of the Microsoft Windows XP family.
    >> >>
    >> >> This is a wild statement to make. You have no concept of what you are
    >> >> claiming here. May Microsoft "family" applications run fine:
    >> >> Microsoft
    >> >> Office, Windows Movie Maker, etc, run just fine under Microsoft
    >> >> Windows
    >> >> XP
    >> >> x64 Professional Edition. You fail to grasp the reality here...
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Don't put your customer's trouble as a mean to encourage the
    >> >> > hardware
    >> >> > manufacturer to support 64-bit windows.
    >> >>
    >> >> Unless you make your dissatisfaction known, then it is even more
    >> >> unlikely
    >> >> that Canon or any other
    >> >> manufacturer will do anyhing ...again you miss the point entirely.
    >> >> Vote
    >> >> with your wallet, and boycott any and every OEM that does not support
    >> >> Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition. There are many that
    >> >> do,
    >> >> and
    >> >> many that don't. Send emails to those that don't. Tell them that
    >> >> they
    >> >> have
    >> >> lost another customer. If one person does it, so what? If everyone
    >> >> who
    >> >> has
    >> >> problems does it, and stops buying their products, then they will
    >> >> *have*
    >> >> to
    >> >> do something. Your whining to Microsoft will serve no purpose.
    >> >> Microsoft
    >> >> is
    >> >> under no obligation whatsoever to provide drivers for the hardware you
    >> >> bought. Please read the preceeding sentence over and over until it
    >> >> begins
    >> >> to sink in to your adlled brain. You are barking up the wrong tree...
    >> >>
    >> >> Bobby
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> 1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM
    >> >> >> product
    >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever
    >> >> >> linked
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the
    >> >> >> system
    >> >> >> builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure
    >> >> >> compatibility
    >> >> >> and provide support for it.
    >> >> >> 2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a
    >> >> >> 32-bit
    >> >> >> license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's
    >> >> >> tied
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may
    >> >> >> remove
    >> >> >> it
    >> >> >> from one machine and install it on another.
    >> >> >> 3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that
    >> >> >> work
    >> >> >> fine
    >> >> >> with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it
    >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> Charlie.
    >> >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    >> >> >> > It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when
    >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> > purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a
    >> >> >> > common
    >> >> >> > practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The
    >> >> >> > end-user
    >> >> >> > obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is
    >> >> >> > "Microsoft
    >> >> >> > Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that
    >> >> >> > it
    >> >> >> > is
    >> >> >> > an
    >> >> >> > improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded
    >> >> >> > me,
    >> >> >> > at
    >> >> >> > least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition"
    >> >> >> > is
    >> >> >> > compatible with other products sold under the brand name of
    >> >> >> > "Microsoft
    >> >> >> > Windows XP".
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only
    >> >> >> > want
    >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> > have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the
    >> >> >> > product
    >> >> >> > did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the
    >> >> >> > product?
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart
    >> >> >> > as
    >> >> >> > we
    >> >> >> > pay
    >> >> >> > for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to
    >> >> >> > "encourage"
    >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> > hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to
    >> >> >> > provide
    >> >> >> > free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to
    >> >> >> > those
    >> >> >> > hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another
    >> >> >> > mean
    >> >> >> > is
    >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> > have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more.
    >> >> >> > The
    >> >> >> > hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the
    >> >> >> > 64-bit
    >> >> >> > windows.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Jeremy Wong
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote
    >> >> >> >> in
    >> >> >> >> message
    >> >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >> >>> My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her
    >> >> >> >>> new
    >> >> >> >>> computer.
    >> >> >> >>> However, it is found that the product is not compatible with
    >> >> >> >>> many
    >> >> >> >>> computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not
    >> >> >> >>> work
    >> >> >> >>> with a
    >> >> >> >>> USB-Bluetooth
    >> >> >> >>> adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon
    >> >> >> >>> MF5650).
    >> >> >> >>> I
    >> >> >> >>> can
    >> >> >> >>> foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible
    >> >> >> >>> with.
    >> >> >> >>>
    >> >> >> >>> I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit
    >> >> >> >>> counterpart.
    >> >> >> >>>
    >> >> >> >>> However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From
    >> >> >> >>> the
    >> >> >> >>> view
    >> >> >> >>> of a
    >> >> >> >>> consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP
    >> >> >> >>> x64"
    >> >> >> >>> as
    >> >> >> >>> a
    >> >> >> >>> member
    >> >> >> >>> of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> There are two problems with your scenario;
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If
    >> >> >> >> there
    >> >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> >> be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not
    >> >> >> >> Microsoft.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with
    >> >> >> >> Microsoft.
    >> >> >> >> Let
    >> >> >> >> Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their
    >> >> >> >> products.
    >> >> >> >> Let
    >> >> >> >> them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support
    >> >> >> >> for a
    >> >> >> >> shipping OS.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers
    >> >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> >> WinXP Pro x64.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Bobby
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    Colin Barnhorst MVP, Aug 23, 2005
    #17
  18. =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=

    John Barnes Guest

    Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    If you go the ebay route make sure you are dealing with a licensed dealer,
    otherwise, caveat emptor

    Also, does anyone know if he can buy an upgrade version or will the upgrade
    version ignore the installed windows x64 version when installing?
    It seems only fair that if he has a legal recently purchased version of
    Windows, he should be able to buy an upgrade version. But this is
    Microsoft!!!


    "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    news:D...
    > It sounds a good news to me. However I cannot find the x86 license
    > available
    > from Microsoft's web site. Could you provide the SKU code of the x86
    > license
    > so that I may order it for my friend.
    >
    > "John Barnes" wrote:
    >
    >> There is a downgrade path. It's called buy an x86 license or product.
    >> You
    >> are the one who failed to take advantage of the 'trial' version to make
    >> sure
    >> that it was right for you.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    >> news:D...
    >> > Good reply.
    >> >
    >> > I conclude that Microsoft does not take the responsibility, so does
    >> > Canon.
    >> >
    >> > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> See my inline answers;
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    >> >> message
    >> >> news:...
    >> >> > If you were the system builder, how can you ensure the compatibility
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > provide the support? Let you know how the items were purchased. The
    >> >> > friend
    >> >> > bought a computer together with Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition on
    >> >> > day
    >> >> > 1.
    >> >> > Then the friend bought the multi-function printer on day 2. The
    >> >> > Bluetooth-USB
    >> >> > adapter was tested with the x64 windows on day 3.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is a fact the the OEM license is purchased from a local computer
    >> >> > shop.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is understood that there is no downgrade path from x64 to 32-bit.
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > request for a creation of the path..
    >> >>
    >> >> Again, you really need to understand that Microsoft has no obligation
    >> >> in
    >> >> regard to your
    >> >> current problem.
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> > There are many printers and bluetooth adapters available in the
    >> >> > market,
    >> >> > few
    >> >> > of them support 64-bit windows. Supporting 64-bit windows is not the
    >> >> > only
    >> >> > criteria in considering a product. Taking printer into
    >> >> > consideration, I
    >> >> > would
    >> >> > calculate the cost of ink, laser toner. I know that HP provides
    >> >> > 64-bit
    >> >> > drivers, but the ink of HP printers is very expensive comparing with
    >> >> > other
    >> >> > products in the market. The bluetooth adapter supports bluetooth
    >> >> > headset,
    >> >> > it
    >> >> > requires Windows XP. It works fine in 32-bit XP, never in 64-bit XP.
    >> >>
    >> >> Two points;
    >> >>
    >> >> 1. You (or your friend) chose the printer. Evidently, the choice was
    >> >> made
    >> >> without regard
    >> >> to the fact that there are no 64 bit drivers for it. The printer was
    >> >> not
    >> >> manufactured by Microsoft.
    >> >> The printer is not supported by Microsoft. Why should Microsoft be
    >> >> held
    >> >> responsible for a
    >> >> purchase decision either you or your friend made?
    >> >>
    >> >> I own several HP printers. I do the majority of my printing in draft
    >> >> mode.
    >> >> I do a lot of printing.
    >> >> My HP cartridges last for months, and are very economical considering
    >> >> the
    >> >> number of pages
    >> >> (both text and color) that I get. Your afrgument about the cost of
    >> >> ink
    >> >> has
    >> >> not bearing on your vain attempt to make Microsoft culpable for your
    >> >> (or
    >> >> your friends) lack of reseach and inept buying of products known to be
    >> >> unsupported by Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is intuitive to regard the x64 edition as a member of the
    >> >> > "Microsoft
    >> >> > Windows XP" series. I do not observe the requirements of the
    >> >> > peripherals
    >> >> > distinguishing between 32-bit edition and 64-bit edition. Who know
    >> >> > that
    >> >> > they
    >> >> > are incompatible in some sense?
    >> >>
    >> >> Just because you do not "observe" the requirements, it does not make
    >> >> anyone
    >> >> else responsible.
    >> >> Anyone with basic computer skills that can use a search engine can
    >> >> very
    >> >> quickly and very easily learn what peripherals are supported, and
    >> >> which
    >> >> are
    >> >> not. Your arrogance does not exclude or protect you,
    >> >> and your arrogance most definitely does not make Microsoft or anyone
    >> >> else
    >> >> responsible for your decisions and choices. You sound like a spoiled
    >> >> little
    >> >> baby here.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > It is a serious problem of "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional
    >> >> > Edition"
    >> >> > including the brand "Microsoft Windows XP", because the x64 edition
    >> >> > is
    >> >> > not
    >> >> > compatible with other members of the Microsoft Windows XP family.
    >> >>
    >> >> This is a wild statement to make. You have no concept of what you are
    >> >> claiming here. May Microsoft "family" applications run fine:
    >> >> Microsoft
    >> >> Office, Windows Movie Maker, etc, run just fine under Microsoft
    >> >> Windows
    >> >> XP
    >> >> x64 Professional Edition. You fail to grasp the reality here...
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Don't put your customer's trouble as a mean to encourage the
    >> >> > hardware
    >> >> > manufacturer to support 64-bit windows.
    >> >>
    >> >> Unless you make your dissatisfaction known, then it is even more
    >> >> unlikely
    >> >> that Canon or any other
    >> >> manufacturer will do anyhing ...again you miss the point entirely.
    >> >> Vote
    >> >> with your wallet, and boycott any and every OEM that does not support
    >> >> Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition. There are many that
    >> >> do,
    >> >> and
    >> >> many that don't. Send emails to those that don't. Tell them that
    >> >> they
    >> >> have
    >> >> lost another customer. If one person does it, so what? If everyone
    >> >> who
    >> >> has
    >> >> problems does it, and stops buying their products, then they will
    >> >> *have*
    >> >> to
    >> >> do something. Your whining to Microsoft will serve no purpose.
    >> >> Microsoft
    >> >> is
    >> >> under no obligation whatsoever to provide drivers for the hardware you
    >> >> bought. Please read the preceeding sentence over and over until it
    >> >> begins
    >> >> to sink in to your adlled brain. You are barking up the wrong tree...
    >> >>
    >> >> Bobby
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> 1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM
    >> >> >> product
    >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever
    >> >> >> linked
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the
    >> >> >> system
    >> >> >> builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure
    >> >> >> compatibility
    >> >> >> and provide support for it.
    >> >> >> 2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a
    >> >> >> 32-bit
    >> >> >> license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's
    >> >> >> tied
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may
    >> >> >> remove
    >> >> >> it
    >> >> >> from one machine and install it on another.
    >> >> >> 3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that
    >> >> >> work
    >> >> >> fine
    >> >> >> with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it
    >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> Charlie.
    >> >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    >> >> >> > It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when
    >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> > purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a
    >> >> >> > common
    >> >> >> > practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The
    >> >> >> > end-user
    >> >> >> > obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is
    >> >> >> > "Microsoft
    >> >> >> > Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that
    >> >> >> > it
    >> >> >> > is
    >> >> >> > an
    >> >> >> > improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded
    >> >> >> > me,
    >> >> >> > at
    >> >> >> > least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition"
    >> >> >> > is
    >> >> >> > compatible with other products sold under the brand name of
    >> >> >> > "Microsoft
    >> >> >> > Windows XP".
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only
    >> >> >> > want
    >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> > have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the
    >> >> >> > product
    >> >> >> > did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the
    >> >> >> > product?
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart
    >> >> >> > as
    >> >> >> > we
    >> >> >> > pay
    >> >> >> > for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to
    >> >> >> > "encourage"
    >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> > hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to
    >> >> >> > provide
    >> >> >> > free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to
    >> >> >> > those
    >> >> >> > hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another
    >> >> >> > mean
    >> >> >> > is
    >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> > have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more.
    >> >> >> > The
    >> >> >> > hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the
    >> >> >> > 64-bit
    >> >> >> > windows.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Jeremy Wong
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote
    >> >> >> >> in
    >> >> >> >> message
    >> >> >> >> news:...
    >> >> >> >>> My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her
    >> >> >> >>> new
    >> >> >> >>> computer.
    >> >> >> >>> However, it is found that the product is not compatible with
    >> >> >> >>> many
    >> >> >> >>> computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not
    >> >> >> >>> work
    >> >> >> >>> with a
    >> >> >> >>> USB-Bluetooth
    >> >> >> >>> adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon
    >> >> >> >>> MF5650).
    >> >> >> >>> I
    >> >> >> >>> can
    >> >> >> >>> foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible
    >> >> >> >>> with.
    >> >> >> >>>
    >> >> >> >>> I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit
    >> >> >> >>> counterpart.
    >> >> >> >>>
    >> >> >> >>> However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From
    >> >> >> >>> the
    >> >> >> >>> view
    >> >> >> >>> of a
    >> >> >> >>> consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP
    >> >> >> >>> x64"
    >> >> >> >>> as
    >> >> >> >>> a
    >> >> >> >>> member
    >> >> >> >>> of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> There are two problems with your scenario;
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If
    >> >> >> >> there
    >> >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> >> be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not
    >> >> >> >> Microsoft.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with
    >> >> >> >> Microsoft.
    >> >> >> >> Let
    >> >> >> >> Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their
    >> >> >> >> products.
    >> >> >> >> Let
    >> >> >> >> them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support
    >> >> >> >> for a
    >> >> >> >> shipping OS.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers
    >> >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> >> WinXP Pro x64.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Bobby
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    John Barnes, Aug 23, 2005
    #18
  19. =?Utf-8?B?SmVyZW15IFdvbmcg6buD5rOT6YeP?=

    warpsix Guest

    Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    I can't belive people would buy it with out looking at a newsgroup or
    maybe downloading the 120 day free trial just to make sure it works

    Jeremy Wong é»ƒæ³“é‡ wrote:
    > If you were the system builder, how can you ensure the compatibility and
    > provide the support? Let you know how the items were purchased. The friend
    > bought a computer together with Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition on day 1.
    > Then the friend bought the multi-function printer on day 2. The Bluetooth-USB
    > adapter was tested with the x64 windows on day 3.
    >
    > It is a fact the the OEM license is purchased from a local computer shop.
    >
    > It is understood that there is no downgrade path from x64 to 32-bit. I
    > request for a creation of the path..
    >
    > There are many printers and bluetooth adapters available in the market, few
    > of them support 64-bit windows. Supporting 64-bit windows is not the only
    > criteria in considering a product. Taking printer into consideration, I would
    > calculate the cost of ink, laser toner. I know that HP provides 64-bit
    > drivers, but the ink of HP printers is very expensive comparing with other
    > products in the market. The bluetooth adapter supports bluetooth headset, it
    > requires Windows XP. It works fine in 32-bit XP, never in 64-bit XP.
    >
    > It is intuitive to regard the x64 edition as a member of the "Microsoft
    > Windows XP" series. I do not observe the requirements of the peripherals
    > distinguishing between 32-bit edition and 64-bit edition. Who know that they
    > are incompatible in some sense?
    >
    > It is a serious problem of "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition"
    > including the brand "Microsoft Windows XP", because the x64 edition is not
    > compatible with other members of the Microsoft Windows XP family.
    >
    > Don't put your customer's trouble as a mean to encourage the hardware
    > manufacturer to support 64-bit windows.
    >
    >
    > Jeremy Wong
    >
    > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >
    >
    >>1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM product is
    >>NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever linked to
    >>the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the system
    >>builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure compatibility
    >>and provide support for it.
    >>2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a 32-bit
    >>license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's tied to the
    >>computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may remove it
    >>from one machine and install it on another.
    >>3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that work fine
    >>with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it is the
    >>responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.
    >>
    >>--
    >>Charlie.
    >>http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >>
    >>Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    >>
    >>>It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when I
    >>>purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a common
    >>>practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    >>>
    >>>That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The end-user
    >>>obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is "Microsoft
    >>>Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that it is an
    >>>improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded me, at
    >>>least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition" is
    >>>compatible with other products sold under the brand name of "Microsoft
    >>>Windows XP".
    >>>
    >>>Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only want to
    >>>have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the product
    >>>did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the product?
    >>>
    >>>It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart as we pay
    >>>for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    >>>
    >>>It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to "encourage" the
    >>>hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to provide
    >>>free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to those
    >>>hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another mean is to
    >>>have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more. The
    >>>hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the 64-bit
    >>>windows.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Jeremy Wong
    >>>
    >>>"NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>"Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    >>>>news:...
    >>>>
    >>>>>My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her new
    >>>>>computer.
    >>>>>However, it is found that the product is not compatible with many
    >>>>>computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not work with a
    >>>>>USB-Bluetooth
    >>>>>adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon MF5650). I can
    >>>>>foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible with.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit counterpart.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From the view
    >>>>>of a
    >>>>>consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP x64" as a
    >>>>>member
    >>>>>of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    >>>>
    >>>>There are two problems with your scenario;
    >>>>
    >>>> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If there is to
    >>>>be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not Microsoft.
    >>>>
    >>>> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with Microsoft. Let
    >>>>Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their products. Let
    >>>>them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support for a
    >>>>shipping OS.
    >>>>
    >>>>Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers for
    >>>>WinXP Pro x64.
    >>>>
    >>>>Bobby

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
    warpsix, Aug 23, 2005
    #19
  20. Re: Request for a downgrade from x64 OEM license to 32-bit OEM lic

    No, the upgrade version will not "upgrade" x64, and it won't see it. Also,
    given that he is on an OEM/System builder license, there is explicitly no
    upgrade path except through his OEM/System Builder.

    There is a very good reason that MS doesn't have a retail version of XP x64
    Edition, and this thread is exactly why.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/xperts64

    John Barnes wrote:
    > If you go the ebay route make sure you are dealing with a licensed dealer,
    > otherwise, caveat emptor
    >
    > Also, does anyone know if he can buy an upgrade version or will the
    > upgrade version ignore the installed windows x64 version when installing?
    > It seems only fair that if he has a legal recently purchased version of
    > Windows, he should be able to buy an upgrade version. But this is
    > Microsoft!!!
    >
    >
    > "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in message
    > news:D...
    >> It sounds a good news to me. However I cannot find the x86 license
    >> available
    >> from Microsoft's web site. Could you provide the SKU code of the x86
    >> license
    >> so that I may order it for my friend.
    >>
    >> "John Barnes" wrote:
    >>
    >>> There is a downgrade path. It's called buy an x86 license or product.
    >>> You
    >>> are the one who failed to take advantage of the 'trial' version to make
    >>> sure
    >>> that it was right for you.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    >>> message news:D...
    >>>> Good reply.
    >>>>
    >>>> I conclude that Microsoft does not take the responsibility, so does
    >>>> Canon.
    >>>>
    >>>> "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> See my inline answers;
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote in
    >>>>> message
    >>>>> news:...
    >>>>>> If you were the system builder, how can you ensure the compatibility
    >>>>>> and
    >>>>>> provide the support? Let you know how the items were purchased. The
    >>>>>> friend
    >>>>>> bought a computer together with Microsoft Windows XP x64 Edition on
    >>>>>> day
    >>>>>> 1.
    >>>>>> Then the friend bought the multi-function printer on day 2. The
    >>>>>> Bluetooth-USB
    >>>>>> adapter was tested with the x64 windows on day 3.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> It is a fact the the OEM license is purchased from a local computer
    >>>>>> shop.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> It is understood that there is no downgrade path from x64 to 32-bit.
    >>>>>> I
    >>>>>> request for a creation of the path..
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Again, you really need to understand that Microsoft has no obligation
    >>>>> in
    >>>>> regard to your
    >>>>> current problem.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> There are many printers and bluetooth adapters available in the
    >>>>>> market,
    >>>>>> few
    >>>>>> of them support 64-bit windows. Supporting 64-bit windows is not the
    >>>>>> only
    >>>>>> criteria in considering a product. Taking printer into
    >>>>>> consideration, I
    >>>>>> would
    >>>>>> calculate the cost of ink, laser toner. I know that HP provides
    >>>>>> 64-bit
    >>>>>> drivers, but the ink of HP printers is very expensive comparing with
    >>>>>> other
    >>>>>> products in the market. The bluetooth adapter supports bluetooth
    >>>>>> headset,
    >>>>>> it
    >>>>>> requires Windows XP. It works fine in 32-bit XP, never in 64-bit XP.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Two points;
    >>>>>
    >>>>> 1. You (or your friend) chose the printer. Evidently, the choice was
    >>>>> made
    >>>>> without regard
    >>>>> to the fact that there are no 64 bit drivers for it. The printer was
    >>>>> not
    >>>>> manufactured by Microsoft.
    >>>>> The printer is not supported by Microsoft. Why should Microsoft be
    >>>>> held
    >>>>> responsible for a
    >>>>> purchase decision either you or your friend made?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I own several HP printers. I do the majority of my printing in draft
    >>>>> mode.
    >>>>> I do a lot of printing.
    >>>>> My HP cartridges last for months, and are very economical considering
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> number of pages
    >>>>> (both text and color) that I get. Your afrgument about the cost of
    >>>>> ink
    >>>>> has
    >>>>> not bearing on your vain attempt to make Microsoft culpable for your
    >>>>> (or
    >>>>> your friends) lack of reseach and inept buying of products known to be
    >>>>> unsupported by Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> It is intuitive to regard the x64 edition as a member of the
    >>>>>> "Microsoft
    >>>>>> Windows XP" series. I do not observe the requirements of the
    >>>>>> peripherals
    >>>>>> distinguishing between 32-bit edition and 64-bit edition. Who know
    >>>>>> that
    >>>>>> they
    >>>>>> are incompatible in some sense?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Just because you do not "observe" the requirements, it does not make
    >>>>> anyone
    >>>>> else responsible.
    >>>>> Anyone with basic computer skills that can use a search engine can
    >>>>> very
    >>>>> quickly and very easily learn what peripherals are supported, and
    >>>>> which
    >>>>> are
    >>>>> not. Your arrogance does not exclude or protect you,
    >>>>> and your arrogance most definitely does not make Microsoft or anyone
    >>>>> else
    >>>>> responsible for your decisions and choices. You sound like a spoiled
    >>>>> little
    >>>>> baby here.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> It is a serious problem of "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional
    >>>>>> Edition"
    >>>>>> including the brand "Microsoft Windows XP", because the x64 edition
    >>>>>> is
    >>>>>> not
    >>>>>> compatible with other members of the Microsoft Windows XP family.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> This is a wild statement to make. You have no concept of what you are
    >>>>> claiming here. May Microsoft "family" applications run fine:
    >>>>> Microsoft
    >>>>> Office, Windows Movie Maker, etc, run just fine under Microsoft
    >>>>> Windows
    >>>>> XP
    >>>>> x64 Professional Edition. You fail to grasp the reality here...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Don't put your customer's trouble as a mean to encourage the
    >>>>>> hardware
    >>>>>> manufacturer to support 64-bit windows.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Unless you make your dissatisfaction known, then it is even more
    >>>>> unlikely
    >>>>> that Canon or any other
    >>>>> manufacturer will do anyhing ...again you miss the point entirely.
    >>>>> Vote
    >>>>> with your wallet, and boycott any and every OEM that does not support
    >>>>> Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition. There are many that
    >>>>> do,
    >>>>> and
    >>>>> many that don't. Send emails to those that don't. Tell them that
    >>>>> they
    >>>>> have
    >>>>> lost another customer. If one person does it, so what? If everyone
    >>>>> who
    >>>>> has
    >>>>> problems does it, and stops buying their products, then they will
    >>>>> *have*
    >>>>> to
    >>>>> do something. Your whining to Microsoft will serve no purpose.
    >>>>> Microsoft
    >>>>> is
    >>>>> under no obligation whatsoever to provide drivers for the hardware you
    >>>>> bought. Please read the preceeding sentence over and over until it
    >>>>> begins
    >>>>> to sink in to your adlled brain. You are barking up the wrong tree...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Bobby
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 1.) Read the license. There IS NO retail product for x64. The OEM
    >>>>>>> product
    >>>>>>> is
    >>>>>>> NOT a retail product, it is tied to the hardware. It is forever
    >>>>>>> linked
    >>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>> the hardware it was bought with. It is the responsibility of the
    >>>>>>> system
    >>>>>>> builder (in this case the person who assembled it) to ensure
    >>>>>>> compatibility
    >>>>>>> and provide support for it.
    >>>>>>> 2.) There is no downgrade path. None. You may, of course, buy a
    >>>>>>> 32-bit
    >>>>>>> license and install it, either OEM or Retail. If it's OEM, it's
    >>>>>>> tied
    >>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>> computer it's bought for/with. If it's retail, it is not, you may
    >>>>>>> remove
    >>>>>>> it
    >>>>>>> from one machine and install it on another.
    >>>>>>> 3.) There are perfectly good bluetooth adapters and printers that
    >>>>>>> work
    >>>>>>> fine
    >>>>>>> with x64 Edition. I know, because I'm running both here. Again, it
    >>>>>>> is
    >>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>> responsibility of the OEM to ensure compatibility.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> --
    >>>>>>> Charlie.
    >>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Jeremy Wong ??? wrote:
    >>>>>>>> It is a self-assemble computer. The OEM license was obtained when
    >>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>> purchased the hardware in a computer shopping centre. It is a
    >>>>>>>> common
    >>>>>>>> practice to have the OEM license in this way.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> That means that there is no other hardware manufacturer. The
    >>>>>>>> end-user
    >>>>>>>> obtained the OEM license in a shop. The product I bought is
    >>>>>>>> "Microsoft
    >>>>>>>> Windows XP", having the brand name "Microsoft". I would say that
    >>>>>>>> it
    >>>>>>>> is
    >>>>>>>> an
    >>>>>>>> improper use of the brand "Microsoft Windows XP" as it misleaded
    >>>>>>>> me,
    >>>>>>>> at
    >>>>>>>> least, that the "Microsoft Windows XP x64 Professional Edition"
    >>>>>>>> is
    >>>>>>>> compatible with other products sold under the brand name of
    >>>>>>>> "Microsoft
    >>>>>>>> Windows XP".
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Sorry that I do not want to argue whatever license it is. I only
    >>>>>>>> want
    >>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>> have the problem solved. A consumer paid for a product, but the
    >>>>>>>> product
    >>>>>>>> did not work as expected. Why should the consumer pay for the
    >>>>>>>> product?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> It is reasonable to downgrade from x64 to its 32-bit counterpart
    >>>>>>>> as
    >>>>>>>> we
    >>>>>>>> pay
    >>>>>>>> for each license. We are not using any pirate copy...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> It is irresponsible to sacrifice the end-user as a mean to
    >>>>>>>> "encourage"
    >>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers producing 64-bit drivers. I urge you to
    >>>>>>>> provide
    >>>>>>>> free courses for porting drivers to 64-bit Windows, especially to
    >>>>>>>> those
    >>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers owning a large market segment. Another
    >>>>>>>> mean
    >>>>>>>> is
    >>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>> have Intel and AMD announcing not to ship 32-bit CPU any more.
    >>>>>>>> The
    >>>>>>>> hardware manufactuers may then start to consider a support of the
    >>>>>>>> 64-bit
    >>>>>>>> windows.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Jeremy Wong
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "NoNoBadDog!" wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "Jeremy Wong ???" <> wrote
    >>>>>>>>> in
    >>>>>>>>> message
    >>>>>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>>>>> My friend has a x64 OEM license of Microsoft Windows XP for her
    >>>>>>>>>> new
    >>>>>>>>>> computer.
    >>>>>>>>>> However, it is found that the product is not compatible with
    >>>>>>>>>> many
    >>>>>>>>>> computer peripherals in the market. For example, it does not
    >>>>>>>>>> work
    >>>>>>>>>> with a
    >>>>>>>>>> USB-Bluetooth
    >>>>>>>>>> adapter (OMIZ OMB509) and a multi-function printer (Canon
    >>>>>>>>>> MF5650).
    >>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>> can
    >>>>>>>>>> foresee that there are more peripherals x64 is incompatible
    >>>>>>>>>> with.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I hope to download the x64 OEM license to its 32-bit
    >>>>>>>>>> counterpart.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> However, there is no mechanism of the downgrade process. From
    >>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>> view
    >>>>>>>>>> of a
    >>>>>>>>>> consumer, it is misleading to purchase "Microsoft Windows XP
    >>>>>>>>>> x64"
    >>>>>>>>>> as
    >>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>> member
    >>>>>>>>>> of the "Microsoft Windows XP" series.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> There are two problems with your scenario;
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Your friend has an OEM license, not one from Microsoft. If
    >>>>>>>>> there
    >>>>>>>>> is
    >>>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>>> be any "downgrade", it will come from the manufacturer and not
    >>>>>>>>> Microsoft.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Your issue is with the hardware manufacturer, not with
    >>>>>>>>> Microsoft.
    >>>>>>>>> Let
    >>>>>>>>> Canon and the others know that will no longer buy their
    >>>>>>>>> products.
    >>>>>>>>> Let
    >>>>>>>>> them know how dissatisfied you are with their lack of support
    >>>>>>>>> for a
    >>>>>>>>> shipping OS.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Downgrading would only encourage the OEMs to not produce drivers
    >>>>>>>>> for
    >>>>>>>>> WinXP Pro x64.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Bobby
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Aug 23, 2005
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