really big CFL lamps.

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  1. Richard

    Richard Guest

    got some ages back from Miter 10 Mega (105 watt ones)

    Anyway, they dont sell them anymore, and I want to get some more for
    another place I am setting up for some work.

    Anyone know a source of them? At $25 they were cheaper than a fluro
    fitting and take up less space so are better all round.
     
    Richard, May 17, 2010
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  2. Richard

    peterwn Guest

    On May 18, 3:26 am, Richard <> wrote:
    > got some ages back from Miter 10 Mega (105 watt ones)
    >
    > Anyway, they dont sell them anymore, and I want to get some more for
    > another place I am setting up for some work.
    >
    > Anyone know a source of them? At $25 they were cheaper than a fluro
    > fitting and take up less space so are better all round.


    Try electrical wholesalers like Mastertrade, Corys etc. They do retail
    cash sales although you will pay more than sparkies pay.
     
    peterwn, May 17, 2010
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  3. Richard

    peterwn Guest

    On May 18, 10:03 am, peterwn <> wrote:
    > On May 18, 3:26 am, Richard <> wrote:
    >
    > > got some ages back from Miter 10 Mega (105 watt ones)

    >
    > > Anyway, they dont sell them anymore, and I want to get some more for
    > > another place I am setting up for some work.

    >
    > > Anyone know a source of them? At $25 they were cheaper than a fluro
    > > fitting and take up less space so are better all round.

    >
    > Try electrical wholesalers like Mastertrade, Corys etc. They do retail
    > cash sales although you will pay more than sparkies pay.


    If in Wellington try 'The Light Bulb Man' Boulcott St at top of
    Plimmer Steps or Waione St Petone. They even have overhead projector
    bulbs.
     
    peterwn, May 18, 2010
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  4. In article <>, peterwn <> wrote:
    >On May 18, 3:26=A0am, Richard <> wrote:
    >> got some ages back from Miter 10 Mega (105 watt ones)
    >>
    >> Anyway, they dont sell them anymore, and I want to get some more for
    >> another place I am setting up for some work.
    >>
    >> Anyone know a source of them? At $25 they were cheaper than a fluro
    >> fitting and take up less space so are better all round.

    >
    >Try electrical wholesalers like Mastertrade, Corys etc. They do retail
    >cash sales although you will pay more than sparkies pay.


    ... so get one through them or through someone with a Farmlands card. As
    suggestted, worthwhile discounts. :)
     
    Bruce Sinclair, May 18, 2010
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  5. Richard

    Richard Guest

    peterwn wrote:
    > On May 18, 10:03 am, peterwn <> wrote:
    >> On May 18, 3:26 am, Richard <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> got some ages back from Miter 10 Mega (105 watt ones)
    >>> Anyway, they dont sell them anymore, and I want to get some more for
    >>> another place I am setting up for some work.
    >>> Anyone know a source of them? At $25 they were cheaper than a fluro
    >>> fitting and take up less space so are better all round.

    >> Try electrical wholesalers like Mastertrade, Corys etc. They do retail
    >> cash sales although you will pay more than sparkies pay.

    >
    > If in Wellington try 'The Light Bulb Man' Boulcott St at top of
    > Plimmer Steps or Waione St Petone. They even have overhead projector
    > bulbs.


    Not in wellington but may give them a call tomorrow.

    There is a lighting place in glenfield that wasnt really any help. Since
    the ones miter 10 had were branded basix which was their house brand I
    am guessing that someone imported them for them.

    Annoying thing is there are a crapload of them on the china export sites
    like alibaba etc, dont seem to be anyone really importing them. I guess
    most factorys etc go for the larger halide highbay lights rather than CFLs
     
    Richard, May 18, 2010
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  6. Richard

    victor Guest

    On 18/05/2010 5:23 p.m., Richard wrote:

    >
    > Not in wellington but may give them a call tomorrow.
    >
    > There is a lighting place in glenfield that wasnt really any help. Since
    > the ones miter 10 had were branded basix which was their house brand I
    > am guessing that someone imported them for them.
    >
    > Annoying thing is there are a crapload of them on the china export sites
    > like alibaba etc, dont seem to be anyone really importing them. I guess
    > most factorys etc go for the larger halide highbay lights rather than CFLs


    Maybe try lamp specs

    http://www.lampspecialists.co.nz/
     
    victor, May 18, 2010
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  7. Richard

    Richard Guest

    EMB wrote:
    > On 18/05/2010 5:37 p.m., victor wrote:
    >> On 18/05/2010 5:23 p.m., Richard wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Not in wellington but may give them a call tomorrow.
    >>>
    >>> There is a lighting place in glenfield that wasnt really any help. Since
    >>> the ones miter 10 had were branded basix which was their house brand I
    >>> am guessing that someone imported them for them.
    >>>
    >>> Annoying thing is there are a crapload of them on the china export sites
    >>> like alibaba etc, dont seem to be anyone really importing them. I guess
    >>> most factorys etc go for the larger halide highbay lights rather than
    >>> CFLs

    >>
    >> Maybe try lamp specs
    >>
    >> http://www.lampspecialists.co.nz/

    >
    > Or possibly "The Lamp Man" in Onehunga. Ph (09) 6363292


    Found someone on trademe with some slightly smaller ones that are the
    same so will be seeing how that goes before hitting up the retailers.

    Thanks for the suggestions.
     
    Richard, May 18, 2010
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  8. Richard

    bAZZ Guest

    In article <hsrn6q$l1f$>, says...
    >
    > got some ages back from Miter 10 Mega (105 watt ones)
    >
    > Anyway, they dont sell them anymore, and I want to get some more for
    > another place I am setting up for some work.
    >
    > Anyone know a source of them? At $25 they were cheaper than a fluro
    > fitting and take up less space so are better all round.


    I too got one and wished at time I'd got more. Our local M10 said they
    wee not expecting more ( last year about June) when asked. I think the
    infamous Switched on Gardner had them for awhile (sog.co.nz) if they are
    still trading....

    bAZZ
     
    bAZZ, May 23, 2010
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  9. Richard

    Sweetpea Guest

    On Sun, 23 May 2010 19:12:10 +1200, bAZZ wrote:

    > In article <hsrn6q$l1f$>, says...
    >>
    >> got some ages back from Miter 10 Mega (105 watt ones)
    >>
    >> Anyway, they dont sell them anymore, and I want to get some more for
    >> another place I am setting up for some work.
    >>
    >> Anyone know a source of them? At $25 they were cheaper than a fluro
    >> fitting and take up less space so are better all round.

    >
    > I too got one and wished at time I'd got more. Our local M10 said they
    > wee not expecting more ( last year about June) when asked. I think the
    > infamous Switched on Gardner had them for awhile (sog.co.nz) if they are
    > still trading....
    >
    > bAZZ


    The really big "CFL" lamps contain two 4" long tubes.

    Have you considered getting one of those?


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    Sweetpea, May 23, 2010
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  10. Richard

    bAZZ Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    >
    > On Sun, 23 May 2010 19:12:10 +1200, bAZZ wrote:
    >
    > > In article <hsrn6q$l1f$>, says...
    > >>
    > >> got some ages back from Miter 10 Mega (105 watt ones)
    > >>
    > >> Anyway, they dont sell them anymore, and I want to get some more for
    > >> another place I am setting up for some work.
    > >>
    > >> Anyone know a source of them? At $25 they were cheaper than a fluro
    > >> fitting and take up less space so are better all round.

    > >
    > > I too got one and wished at time I'd got more. Our local M10 said they
    > > wee not expecting more ( last year about June) when asked. I think the
    > > infamous Switched on Gardner had them for awhile (sog.co.nz) if they are
    > > still trading....
    > >
    > > bAZZ

    >
    > The really big "CFL" lamps contain two 4" long tubes.
    >
    > Have you considered getting one of those?


    Yes. The Mitre10ones were much cheaper on a per watt ratio etc. I'm
    using U tube flouros ATM but they do cost to replace and usually dont
    have ability to chuck them in places to replace incad lights as these
    just fitted right in.

    bAZZ
     
    bAZZ, May 23, 2010
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  11. Richard

    Sweetpea Guest

    On Sun, 23 May 2010 21:21:18 +1200, bAZZ wrote:

    >> The really big "CFL" lamps contain two 4" long tubes.
    >>
    >> Have you considered getting one of those?

    >
    > Yes. The Mitre10ones were much cheaper on a per watt ratio etc. I'm
    > using U tube flouros ATM but they do cost to replace and usually dont
    > have ability to chuck them in places to replace incad lights as these
    > just fitted right in.


    All fluorescent tubes have a replacement cost, but they last for such a very long time and produce
    considerably more light output than a "compact" fluorescent tube, and yes you do need to buy a fitting
    to put the tube into as they are very different from all the various incandescent lamps available.


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    Sweetpea, May 23, 2010
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  12. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Sweetpea wrote:

    > The really big "CFL" lamps contain two 4" long tubes.
    >
    > Have you considered getting one of those?


    Cant be stuffed installing them, the CFLs just go in place of a 150w
    incandesent and are brighter and use less power and have better colour.

    Got some on trademe at a great price so will just have to get some ES
    holders to swap out to take them when they get here.
     
    Richard, May 23, 2010
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  13. Richard

    Sweetpea Guest

    On Sun, 23 May 2010 23:38:49 +1200, Richard wrote:

    > the CFLs just go in place of a 150w
    > incandesent and are brighter and use less power and have better colour.


    ROTFLOL!

    Bollocks to "better colour", and bollocks to "brighter". They fool the
    eye into thinking there is more light but they do not produce a constant
    light output. You can expect eye-strain if you put a "150W equivalent"
    Compact Fluorescent tube in your ceiling as a direct replacement for a
    150W incandescent lamp and wanted to read books with 10 or 12 point font
    sizes.

    I do agree, however, that they use less electricity to operate. Can't say
    the same about manufacturing them.


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    Sweetpea, May 24, 2010
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  14. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Sweetpea wrote:
    > On Sun, 23 May 2010 23:38:49 +1200, Richard wrote:
    >
    >> the CFLs just go in place of a 150w
    >> incandesent and are brighter and use less power and have better colour.

    >
    > ROTFLOL!
    >
    > Bollocks to "better colour", and bollocks to "brighter". They fool the
    > eye into thinking there is more light but they do not produce a constant
    > light output. You can expect eye-strain if you put a "150W equivalent"
    > Compact Fluorescent tube in your ceiling as a direct replacement for a
    > 150W incandescent lamp and wanted to read books with 10 or 12 point font
    > sizes.
    >
    > I do agree, however, that they use less electricity to operate. Can't say
    > the same about manufacturing them.


    I would call 6500K daylight way better than the 2700K orange crap that
    an incandesent puts out.

    No problems with eyestrain here at all reading under the ones I have, or
    the ones I have in the house replacing incandesents to get the better
    colour that daylight lamps offer.

    Perhaps you should stop getting the cheap bottom of the barrel "warm
    white" (which means as orange as incandesent) ones before spouting off
    about things like that?

    And why would large text like 10 or 12 point cause eyestrain?
     
    Richard, May 24, 2010
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  15. Richard

    Sweetpea Guest

    On Mon, 24 May 2010 22:36:08 +1200, Richard wrote:

    > Sweetpea wrote:
    >> On Sun, 23 May 2010 23:38:49 +1200, Richard wrote:
    >>
    >>> the CFLs just go in place of a 150w
    >>> incandesent and are brighter and use less power and have better
    >>> colour.

    >>
    >> ROTFLOL!
    >>
    >> Bollocks to "better colour", and bollocks to "brighter". They fool the
    >> eye into thinking there is more light but they do not produce a
    >> constant light output. You can expect eye-strain if you put a "150W
    >> equivalent" Compact Fluorescent tube in your ceiling as a direct
    >> replacement for a 150W incandescent lamp and wanted to read books with
    >> 10 or 12 point font sizes.
    >>
    >> I do agree, however, that they use less electricity to operate. Can't
    >> say the same about manufacturing them.

    >
    > I would call 6500K daylight way better than the 2700K orange crap that
    > an incandesent puts out.


    Incandescent tungsten is 3050K

    And just because it puts out a white at a higher temperature does not
    mean that its CRI is better!


    > No problems with eyestrain here at all reading under the ones I have, or
    > the ones I have in the house replacing incandesents to get the better
    > colour that daylight lamps offer.


    Ah. Are you using more than one mini pseudo 150W fluro in a room?


    > Perhaps you should stop getting the cheap bottom of the barrel "warm
    > white" (which means as orange as incandesent) ones before spouting off
    > about things like that?


    I don't use mini fluros. The CRI rating is considerably inferior, and
    they use considerably more energy to manufacture than do tungsten
    incandescent lamps.


    > And why would large text like 10 or 12 point cause eyestrain?


    Well, if you're using a single compact fluro in place of a single 150W
    lamp you're almost certain to get eye strain.


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    Sweetpea, May 24, 2010
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  16. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Sweetpea wrote:
    > On Mon, 24 May 2010 22:36:08 +1200, Richard wrote:
    >
    >> Sweetpea wrote:
    >>> On Sun, 23 May 2010 23:38:49 +1200, Richard wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> the CFLs just go in place of a 150w
    >>>> incandesent and are brighter and use less power and have better
    >>>> colour.
    >>> ROTFLOL!
    >>>
    >>> Bollocks to "better colour", and bollocks to "brighter". They fool the
    >>> eye into thinking there is more light but they do not produce a
    >>> constant light output. You can expect eye-strain if you put a "150W
    >>> equivalent" Compact Fluorescent tube in your ceiling as a direct
    >>> replacement for a 150W incandescent lamp and wanted to read books with
    >>> 10 or 12 point font sizes.
    >>>
    >>> I do agree, however, that they use less electricity to operate. Can't
    >>> say the same about manufacturing them.

    >> I would call 6500K daylight way better than the 2700K orange crap that
    >> an incandesent puts out.

    >
    > Incandescent tungsten is 3050K


    Hardly, 2700K is the accepted norm for it, lov voltage halogens are
    higher, perhaps 3500K, still well on the orange side of things.

    > And just because it puts out a white at a higher temperature does not
    > mean that its CRI is better!


    No, but it makes things look better being that they are white.

    >> No problems with eyestrain here at all reading under the ones I have, or
    >> the ones I have in the house replacing incandesents to get the better
    >> colour that daylight lamps offer.

    >
    > Ah. Are you using more than one mini pseudo 150W fluro in a room?


    Loungeroom has 2 of the 23watt ones in it, can read fine anywhere in the
    room at any time. except perhaps daytime after coming in from outside
    for a bit.

    >> Perhaps you should stop getting the cheap bottom of the barrel "warm
    >> white" (which means as orange as incandesent) ones before spouting off
    >> about things like that?

    >
    > I don't use mini fluros. The CRI rating is considerably inferior, and
    > they use considerably more energy to manufacture than do tungsten
    > incandescent lamps.


    Why do I care about the energy used to make them? The overall cost is
    lower even with the vastly lower than they claim lifespans they have.

    >> And why would large text like 10 or 12 point cause eyestrain?

    >
    > Well, if you're using a single compact fluro in place of a single 150W
    > lamp you're almost certain to get eye strain.


    Perhaps if your eyes are rooted to start with. Otherwise no.
     
    Richard, May 25, 2010
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  17. Richard

    Sweetpea Guest

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 00:23:59 +1200, Richard wrote:

    > Hardly, 2700K is the accepted norm for it, lov voltage halogens are
    > higher, perhaps 3500K, still well on the orange side of things.


    The most common/standard color temperature for lamps used in performance
    lighting is 3050K to 3010K.

    When they're burning at their rated volts/amps I wouldn't call them
    "orange".


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    Sweetpea, May 26, 2010
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  18. Richard

    Sweetpea Guest

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 00:23:59 +1200, Richard wrote:

    >> I don't use mini fluros. The CRI rating is considerably inferior, and
    >> they use considerably more energy to manufacture than do tungsten
    >> incandescent lamps.

    >
    > Why do I care about the energy used to make them? The overall cost is
    > lower even with the vastly lower than they claim lifespans they have.


    Their CRI rating is considerably inferior.

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum40/55471-whats-real-color-spectrum-cf-
    daylight-bulbs.html


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    Sweetpea, May 26, 2010
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  19. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Sweetpea wrote:
    > On Wed, 26 May 2010 00:23:59 +1200, Richard wrote:
    >
    >>> I don't use mini fluros. The CRI rating is considerably inferior, and
    >>> they use considerably more energy to manufacture than do tungsten
    >>> incandescent lamps.

    >> Why do I care about the energy used to make them? The overall cost is
    >> lower even with the vastly lower than they claim lifespans they have.

    >
    > Their CRI rating is considerably inferior.
    >
    > http://www.apug.org/forums/forum40/55471-whats-real-color-spectrum-cf-
    > daylight-bulbs.html


    So they dont interact with obsolete photography technology well?

    How does that affect me when I dont own any film cameras, are not using
    them to photograph things and find they work perfectly fine when using
    the digital camera or mini dv camera under them?
     
    Richard, May 26, 2010
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  20. Richard

    Richard Guest

    Sweetpea wrote:
    > On Wed, 26 May 2010 00:23:59 +1200, Richard wrote:
    >
    >> Hardly, 2700K is the accepted norm for it, lov voltage halogens are
    >> higher, perhaps 3500K, still well on the orange side of things.

    >
    > The most common/standard color temperature for lamps used in performance
    > lighting is 3050K to 3010K.
    >
    > When they're burning at their rated volts/amps I wouldn't call them
    > "orange".


    I would. compare one to outside daytime, and its orange.

    The only reason they operate at those temperatures is because thats
    about the upper limit for them with reasonable lamp life, much hotter
    and they die too quickly.

    Plus I am not putting on a stage show in my work area so interaction
    with the gels used for stage lighting is a non issue.
     
    Richard, May 26, 2010
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