Re: Spam has finally won

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Peter Murray, Jul 29, 2003.

  1. Peter Murray

    Peter Murray Guest

    "Who is this" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.
    >
    > I have informed my ISP that I will no longer be reading any email from
    > the pop servers, ie close the account.
    >
    > I have informed my work management that I will no longer read any email
    > sent to me at work either as the spam there is even more prolific.
    >
    > To any ISPs out their, if you are able to offer a web only (no email,
    > news, gnutella, etc) account cheaper than xtra offers their full account
    > (on jetstart) leave a note here as I will happily switch to save the $$.
    >
    > I believe it will be more profitable not to offer email now:
    > 1. no mail server
    > 2. no backup mail server
    > 3. reduced traffic (more than 50% of email is now spam)
    > 4. no spam filtering
    > 5. A reduction in staff (no email server to maintain)
    > 6. A reduction is backup facilities (no email to backup)
    >
    > The alternative is if an ISP will set up mail service based on a
    > whitelist where they bounce all email from people not on the list, that
    > list should be editable via a secure web page by the customer. this must
    > surely be easier as maintaining black lists is time consuming and labour
    > intensive as the spammers just keep faking domains etc to get through
    > the filters. It is now most likely quicker to filter mail in based on a
    > customers whitelist than to try the loosing battle of keeping spam out.


    Whitelists add their own problems:
    1. What stops a spammer impersonating someone on the whitelist by faking the
    headers?
    2. How do new non-spammers who genuinely want to contact you get onto the
    list?
    3. What happens when people on the whitelist change their email address?

    --
    Peter Murray
    open i
    http://www.blenheim.co.nz/open_i
    Peter Murray, Jul 29, 2003
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  2. Peter Murray

    MarkH Guest

    "Peter Murray" <> wrote in
    news::

    > Whitelists add their own problems:
    > 1. What stops a spammer impersonating someone on the whitelist by
    > faking the headers?


    And what percentage of spam fits this category? (Make sure that your own
    address is not on the whitelist, that IS commonly used by spammers)

    > 2. How do new non-spammers who genuinely want to contact you get onto
    > the list?


    Good point. Especially difficult if they are unaware of you whitelist
    system and just assume that you would have received the message.

    > 3. What happens when people on the whitelist change their email
    > address?


    Hopefully they send you a message before the change advising about the
    impending change. If not then it may take a few messages before they
    realise that you are not receiving them.



    --
    Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
    See my pics at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~markh/
    "There are 10 types of people, those that
    understand binary and those that don't"
    MarkH, Jul 29, 2003
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  3. Peter Murray

    Who is this Guest

    In article <>,
    "Peter Murray" <> wrote:

    > Whitelists add their own problems:
    > 1. What stops a spammer impersonating someone on the whitelist by faking the
    > headers?


    How will the know who is on the list ?

    > 2. How do new non-spammers who genuinely want to contact you get onto the
    > list?


    Phone, fax, snail mail, web based form fill in page

    > 3. What happens when people on the whitelist change their email address?


    They should let everyone know beforehand or have an overlap period to
    catch the few they did not inform.
    Who is this, Jul 29, 2003
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  4. Peter Murray

    Who is this Guest

    In article <bg5slu$4m4$>, MarkH <>
    wrote:

    > "Peter Murray" <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    > > 2. How do new non-spammers who genuinely want to contact you get onto
    > > the list?

    >
    > Good point. Especially difficult if they are unaware of you whitelist
    > system and just assume that you would have received the message.


    Not the message is bounced back to them with a note to contact you via
    another means (snail mail, phone NOT fax as there are now fax spammers
    too), or a secure web form fill in, ie they have a URL which is valid
    for 7 days 1 off use so that they can put in a quick message with who
    they are in real life and then then email address, this will be sent to
    the white list owner who can choose to add/or not the person.
    Who is this, Jul 29, 2003
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  5. Peter Murray

    Who is this Guest

    In article <>,
    "Uncle StoatWarbler" <> wrote:

    > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:26:23 +0000, MarkH wrote:
    >
    > >> Whitelists add their own problems:
    > >> 1. What stops a spammer impersonating someone on the whitelist by faking
    > >> the headers?

    > >
    > > And what percentage of spam fits this category? (Make sure that your own
    > > address is not on the whitelist, that IS commonly used by spammers)

    >
    > small now, but spoofing attacks are already happening and will increase.


    Rule To you/From you + external IP = deny
    Who is this, Jul 29, 2003
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