Re: Spam has finally won

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Jay, Jul 29, 2003.

  1. Jay

    Jay Guest

    Who is this wrote:

    > I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.


    It is fairly easy to change you email address.
    Do that, and do hand it out to anyone you don't trust.
     
    Jay, Jul 29, 2003
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  2. Jay

    Who is this Guest

    In article <bg57bp$k8tof$-berlin.de>,
    Jay <> wrote:

    > Who is this wrote:
    >
    > > I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.

    >
    > It is fairly easy to change you email address.
    > Do that, and do hand it out to anyone you don't trust.
    >


    That is how my old email address was set up. I am not allowed to change
    my work one where even after filtering 30+ spams a day get through, so I
    no longer use it much to everyones annoyance, however they can not force
    me to use email :)
     
    Who is this, Jul 29, 2003
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  3. Jay

    Jay Guest

    Who is this wrote:

    > I am not allowed to change
    > my work one where even after filtering 30+ spams a day get through, so I
    > no longer use it much to everyones annoyance, however they can not force
    > me to use email :)


    So they force you to use ?
    Insist that they install some anti-spam software then.
     
    Jay, Jul 29, 2003
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  4. Jay

    Ian Orchard Guest

    In article <bg57bp$k8tof$-berlin.de>,
    Jay <> wrote:

    > Who is this wrote:
    >
    > > I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.

    >
    > It is fairly easy to change you email address.
    > Do that, and do hand it out to anyone you don't trust.



    I've set up an alias with Paradise for use on UseNet and other
    situations where spammers harvesting bots may spot it. About December,
    or whenever the spam starts to arrive, I'll just delete it and set up a
    new one.

    --
    ....IRO

    Reply to <iro.spring<at>paradise<dot>net<dot>nz>
     
    Ian Orchard, Jul 29, 2003
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  5. Jay

    Who is this Guest

    In article <bg5h5s$k1qkt$-berlin.de>,
    Jay <> wrote:

    > Who is this wrote:
    >
    > > I am not allowed to change
    > > my work one where even after filtering 30+ spams a day get through, so I
    > > no longer use it much to everyones annoyance, however they can not force
    > > me to use email :)

    >
    > So they force you to use ?
    > Insist that they install some anti-spam software then.
    >


    They have but about 10% gets through..ie 30-40 a day
     
    Who is this, Jul 29, 2003
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  6. Jay

    Who is this Guest

    In article <>,
    Ian Orchard <> wrote:

    > In article <bg57bp$k8tof$-berlin.de>,
    > Jay <> wrote:
    >
    > > Who is this wrote:
    > >
    > > > I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.

    > >
    > > It is fairly easy to change you email address.
    > > Do that, and do hand it out to anyone you don't trust.

    >
    >
    > I've set up an alias with Paradise for use on UseNet and other
    > situations where spammers harvesting bots may spot it. About December,
    > or whenever the spam starts to arrive, I'll just delete it and set up a
    > new one.


    Well I am setting up an adddress with something like Qz34rrrxtu55jololo@
    etc etc etc so that dictionary searches will not stumble across it.

    Pain in the arse to tell people an address like that, but untill someone
    sets up a whiteleist base email system it is the next best thing
     
    Who is this, Jul 29, 2003
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  7. Jay

    Kookaburra Guest

    On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:22:32 +1000, Jay <> wrote:

    >Who is this wrote:
    >
    >> I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.

    >
    >It is fairly easy to change you email address.
    >Do that, and do hand it out to anyone you don't trust.


    My brother is averaging 3 porn emails a day and has only written 3
    emails (2 to me and 1 to his daughter) since opening his account with
    Paradise a couple of weeks back. In fact along with his Welcome to
    Paradise email there were 2 Porn Spam emails. Because he needed a
    business account address and we have a very common name I'm wondering
    if the address he has chosen has been used before and put back into
    circulation after a previous user has closed the account.

    Kooky
     
    Kookaburra, Jul 29, 2003
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  8. Jay

    E. Scrooge Guest

    "Kookaburra" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:22:32 +1000, Jay <> wrote:
    >
    > >Who is this wrote:
    > >
    > >> I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.

    > >
    > >It is fairly easy to change you email address.
    > >Do that, and do hand it out to anyone you don't trust.

    >
    > My brother is averaging 3 porn emails a day and has only written 3
    > emails (2 to me and 1 to his daughter) since opening his account with
    > Paradise a couple of weeks back. In fact along with his Welcome to
    > Paradise email there were 2 Porn Spam emails. Because he needed a
    > business account address and we have a very common name I'm wondering
    > if the address he has chosen has been used before and put back into
    > circulation after a previous user has closed the account.
    >
    > Kooky


    It's about the only reason for that to happen to him, Kooky. Especially
    when his other possible combinations are in use by Paradise customers.
    He's still best to get it changed before he gives too many of his contacts
    his address, to save hassles if does change it much later on after getting
    sick of the spam. It's bad news for him to get spam before even having a
    chance to use his new address.

    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Jul 29, 2003
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  9. Jay

    Joe Guest

    Ian Orchard wrote:
    >
    > In article <bg57bp$k8tof$-berlin.de>,
    > Jay <> wrote:
    >
    > > Who is this wrote:
    > >
    > > > I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.

    > >
    > > It is fairly easy to change you email address.
    > > Do that, and do hand it out to anyone you don't trust.

    >
    > I've set up an alias with Paradise for use on UseNet and other
    > situations where spammers harvesting bots may spot it. About December,
    > or whenever the spam starts to arrive, I'll just delete it and set up a
    > new one.
    >
    > --
    > ...IRO
    >
    > Reply to <iro.spring<at>paradise<dot>net<dot>nz>


    Looking at your address and your reply comment, I think it'll
    be earlier than you think!

    Joe
     
    Joe, Jul 29, 2003
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  10. Jay

    E. Scrooge Guest

    "Kookaburra" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:48:42 +1200, "E. Scrooge"
    > < (remove eye)> wrote:
    > >
    > >It's about the only reason for that to happen to him, Kooky. Especially
    > >when his other possible combinations are in use by Paradise customers.
    > >He's still best to get it changed before he gives too many of his

    contacts
    > >his address, to save hassles if does change it much later on after

    getting
    > >sick of the spam. It's bad news for him to get spam before even having a
    > >chance to use his new address.
    > >
    > >E. Scrooge
    > >

    > Actually he comes here and moans to me about the spam. I'm of the
    > opinion though if he didn't get spam he'd get no emails at all. LOL
    > They only get as far as Mailwasher anyway and he needs practise using
    > the mouse. <grin>
    >
    > Cheers, Kooky


    He probably enjoys reading half of them. ;-)

    Cheers,
    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Jul 30, 2003
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  11. Jay

    IRO Guest

    In article <>,
    Who is this <> wrote:

    > Well I am setting up an adddress with something like Qz34rrrxtu55jololo@
    > etc etc etc so that dictionary searches will not stumble across it.


    Surely an address like would be just as difficult for a bot to stumble over but easy for your
    contacts to enter in their address books without errors.

    --
    ....IRO

    Reply to <iro.spring<at>paradise<dot>net<dot>nz>
     
    IRO, Jul 30, 2003
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  12. Jay

    IRO Guest

    In article <>, Joe <> wrote:

    > Looking at your address and your reply comment, I think it'll
    > be earlier than you think!

    I'm hoping that the < >< > will slow the buggers down, but if too much
    crud does start to turn up, a quick email to Paradise and iro.spring is
    dog-tucker.

    --
    ....IRO

    Reply to <iro.spring<at>paradise<dot>net<dot>nz>
     
    IRO, Jul 30, 2003
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  13. On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:46:12 +1200, Ian Orchard
    <> wrote:

    >In article <bg57bp$k8tof$-berlin.de>,
    > Jay <> wrote:
    >
    >> Who is this wrote:
    >>
    >> > I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.

    >>
    >> It is fairly easy to change you email address.
    >> Do that, and do hand it out to anyone you don't trust.

    >
    >
    >I've set up an alias with Paradise for use on UseNet and other
    >situations where spammers harvesting bots may spot it. About December,
    >or whenever the spam starts to arrive, I'll just delete it and set up a
    >new one.


    I use several strategies:

    1. I have a contact form which I use for the purposes of accepting
    emails from people I don't know. This protects my email address while
    still making it easy for people to send me messages.

    2. I have a free email address at yahoo.com which I use whenever I
    have to provide a "valid" address to someone or organisation that I
    don't trust.

    3. I have a main email address which I only give out to thise I trust.
    This address gets *tonnes* of spam but it doesn't worry me. Yahoo's
    spam filters catch much of it and I've set up my own rules to catch
    most of the rest.

    4. The people who handle my incoming email (2day.com -- free plug for
    a service I find very useful) have email filtering that catches around
    95% of the spam that does come in.

    These methods cover most of the bases and allow me to keep the spam on
    my main account to a manageable level. I guess I now see no more than
    one or two spams a day in my intray.

    --
    you can contact me via http://aardvark.co.nz/contact/
     
    Bruce Simpson, Jul 30, 2003
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  14. "IRO" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <>,
    > IRO <> wrote:
    >
    > > > Looking at your address and your reply comment, I think it'll
    > > > be earlier than you think!

    > > I'm hoping that the < >< > will slow the buggers down, but if too much
    > > crud does start to turn up, a quick email to Paradise and iro.spring is
    > > dog-tucker.

    >
    > Having said that, I got my first unsolicited email to that address
    > yesterday. Within a week. It's not strictly spam, some turkey sent me
    > along with 74 other benighted souls a warning about a Micro$oft security
    > update applicable to Win 9x/Me/2000/NT/XP,


    Yup, it's a virus. Automatically sent.

    Cheers,
    Nicholas Sherlock
     
    Nicholas Sherlock, Aug 1, 2003
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  15. Jay

    IRO Guest

    In article <bgcnh1$11n$>,
    "Nicholas Sherlock" <> wrote:

    > > Having said that, I got my first unsolicited email to that address
    > > yesterday. Within a week. It's not strictly spam, some turkey sent me
    > > along with 74 other benighted souls a warning about a Micro$oft security
    > > update applicable to Win 9x/Me/2000/NT/XP,

    >
    > Yup, it's a virus. Automatically sent.


    The puzzle is how the address below got converted back to a genuine
    email address. Don't these Microsoft viruses raid their victim's address
    books and fire off replicas to the victim's contacts, with spoofed
    'senders' also derived from the address book?

    Whoever the original victim is, why did he bother un-munging my address?


    --
    ....IRO

    Reply to <iro.spring<at>paradise<dot>net<dot>nz>
     
    IRO, Aug 1, 2003
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  16. Jay

    lily Guest

    "IRO" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <bgcnh1$11n$>,
    > "Nicholas Sherlock" <> wrote:
    >
    > > > Having said that, I got my first unsolicited email to that address
    > > > yesterday. Within a week. It's not strictly spam, some turkey sent me
    > > > along with 74 other benighted souls a warning about a Micro$oft

    security
    > > > update applicable to Win 9x/Me/2000/NT/XP,

    > >
    > > Yup, it's a virus. Automatically sent.

    >
    > The puzzle is how the address below got converted back to a genuine
    > email address. Don't these Microsoft viruses raid their victim's address
    > books and fire off replicas to the victim's contacts, with spoofed
    > 'senders' also derived from the address book?
    >
    > Whoever the original victim is, why did he bother un-munging my address?
    >


    Probably to put you in their address book
     
    lily, Aug 1, 2003
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  17. Jay

    Mark Harris Guest

    On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 18:22:30 +1200, IRO
    <> wrote:

    >Oh BUGGER!! My news app had details toggled off and I wasn't seeing the
    >address parked at the top. Never mind, as I said. if the spam starts to
    >build up, the address goes....
    >

    Not a bad plan.

    >Got another virus from the same (or a similar) source today. I wonder if
    >any of the other 72 people on the To: list collected a copy as well.
    >
    >This one is entitled "Fwd: Try this pack from Microsoft" with a payload
    >"q379971.zip"
    >

    I get 5 or 6 of those a week. Just ignore anything with an executable,
    even if you do recognise who it seems to be coming from. Mac users
    used to be immune but you never know when a bad hat with an anti-mac
    bias will strike...

    cheers

    mark
    --
    "Someone's been mean to you! Tell me who it is, so I can punch him tastefully."
    - Ralph Bakshi's Mighty Mouse
     
    Mark Harris, Aug 3, 2003
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  18. Jay

    Lennier Guest

    On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:22:32 +1000, Jay wrote:

    > It is fairly easy to change you email address. Do that, and do hand it out
    > to anyone you don't trust.


    And don't put it into Outlook, don't put it into Netscape, don't use a
    short email address - much too easy to crack by random posts based on the
    alphabet.

    And NEVER use it on Usenet, and NEVER publish it on a website!

    Lennier

    --
    I specifically DENY Xtra, and Telecom NZ Ltd, and all other subsidiaries
    of Telecom NZ Ltd, the right to use the contents of this digital
    communication for any purpose whatsoever, whether in whole or in part -
    regardless of how it is stored or transmitted through Xtra's network.
     
    Lennier, Nov 21, 2003
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