Re: Shortages of ED glass coming?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Ray Fischer, Oct 9, 2011.

  1. Ray Fischer

    Ray Fischer Guest

    Rich <> wrote:
    >Only two companies now make fluorite, thanks to greenie kooks in Europe.


    Shocking that people still object to being poisoned when there are
    profits to be made.

    --
    Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
    | The new GOP ideal
     
    Ray Fischer, Oct 9, 2011
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  2. Ray Fischer

    Ray Fischer Guest

    Rich <> wrote:
    > (Ray Fischer) wrote in
    >> Rich <> wrote:
    >>>Only two companies now make fluorite, thanks to greenie kooks in
    >>>Europe.

    >>
    >> Shocking that people still object to being poisoned when there are
    >> profits to be made.

    >
    >Little things such as proof of that eluded the socialists determined to


    And there's a rightard whining that people object to being poisoned
    for his profit. In his twisted mind anybody who doesn't want to be
    killed must be a "socialist".

    --
    Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
    | The new GOP ideal
     
    Ray Fischer, Oct 10, 2011
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    Trevor Guest

    "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    news:4e9284da$0$1712$...
    > And there's a rightard whining that people object to being poisoned
    > for his profit. In his twisted mind anybody who doesn't want to be
    > killed must be a "socialist".


    No amount of proof will ever stand in the way of their profits. The
    cigarette companies are a good example. And *everything* is considered safe
    until proven otherwise, asbestos, radiactive materials, mercury, lead, many
    pesticides and a million other things :-(

    Trevor.
     
    Trevor, Oct 10, 2011
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  4. Ray Fischer

    RichA Guest

    On Oct 10, 2:53 am, "Trevor" <> wrote:
    > "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:4e9284da$0$1712$...
    >
    > > And there's a rightard whining that people object to being poisoned
    > > for his profit.  In his twisted mind anybody who doesn't want to be
    > > killed must be a "socialist".

    >
    > No amount of proof will ever stand in the way of their profits. The
    > cigarette companies are a good example. And *everything* is considered safe
    > until proven otherwise, asbestos, radiactive materials, mercury, lead, many
    > pesticides and a million other things :-(
    >
    > Trevor.


    RISK determines viability, not whether or not something "might" be
    harmful. You drive cars because they are very important even though
    they are responsible for 25,000 deaths a year. How is that any
    different from any other product or process? You can only insulate
    people from so much, even if you are a nanny-state socialist or a
    alcohol hand-wash wielding soccer mom.
    In the meantime, ask yourself if your "cure" isn't worse in its effect
    than the disease?
     
    RichA, Oct 10, 2011
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  5. Ray Fischer

    RichA Guest

    On Oct 10, 1:38 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    > Rich  <> wrote:
    > > (Ray Fischer) wrote in
    > >> Rich  <> wrote:
    > >>>Only two companies now make fluorite, thanks to greenie kooks in
    > >>>Europe.  

    >
    > >> Shocking that people still object to being poisoned when there are
    > >> profits to be made.

    >
    > >Little things such as proof of that eluded the socialists determined to

    >
    > And there's a rightard whining that people object to being poisoned
    > for his profit.  In his twisted mind anybody who doesn't want to be
    > killed must be a "socialist".


    I should preface that by saying, "Western socialist." The Soviets and
    East Germans (for example) horribly polluted their countries and cared
    nothing for the well-being of workers, unlike the nanny-state
    socialists in the West.
    Anyone you know killed by optical glass? Unless a big mirror fell on
    them?
    The last time I heard about a death due to optical glass production
    was about a guy who died from silicosis caused by breathing glass dust
    created by the grinding process and it wasn't a conclusive finding.
    That was about 30 years ago.
     
    RichA, Oct 10, 2011
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  6. Ray Fischer

    Trevor Guest

    "RichA" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >RISK determines viability, not whether or not something "might" be
    >harmful.


    RISK is fine IF you are aware of those risks and take the chance anyway.
    (I have no sympathy for smokers nowadays for example, the risks are well
    known)

    NOT so fine when you are told something is safe OR don't even get to make
    the choice!

    Trevor.
     
    Trevor, Oct 11, 2011
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  7. Ray Fischer

    John A. Guest

    On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:39:51 +1000, "Trevor" <> wrote:

    >
    >"RichA" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >>RISK determines viability, not whether or not something "might" be
    >>harmful.

    >
    >RISK is fine IF you are aware of those risks and take the chance anyway.
    >(I have no sympathy for smokers nowadays for example, the risks are well
    >known)
    >
    >NOT so fine when you are told something is safe OR don't even get to make
    >the choice!


    Or if you're being asked to take on the risk for someone else's gain.
     
    John A., Oct 11, 2011
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  8. Ray Fischer

    Me Guest

    On 11/10/2011 10:39 p.m., John A. wrote:
    > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:39:51 +1000, "Trevor"<> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "RichA"<> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> RISK determines viability, not whether or not something "might" be
    >>> harmful.

    >>
    >> RISK is fine IF you are aware of those risks and take the chance anyway.
    >> (I have no sympathy for smokers nowadays for example, the risks are well
    >> known)
    >>
    >> NOT so fine when you are told something is safe OR don't even get to make
    >> the choice!

    >
    > Or if you're being asked to take on the risk for someone else's gain.
    >

    Or in the case of Chinese RE extraction, you're reaping the gain from
    someone else unwittingly taking the risk.
    But anyway, the article RichA cited wasn't very good:
    Once the thorium is separated, cerium oxide is usually high Ce mixed RE
    oxides, perhaps 60-70% cerium 30-40% other RE oxides - after they've got
    the valuable RE out (neodymium probably). Sorry, I don't have a
    link/cite, but I have worked in the RE business. Cerium Oxide
    (polishing grade) is a low value by-product, nice if you can get some $
    from it.
    The main market was never precision optics, it gets used for making
    bevel edge mirrors, some LCDs (coincidentally was used in CRTs - pretty
    much dead these days) ordinary glass polishing, etc etc.
    - My guess would be that precision optic makers would stick to known
    blended polishing compounds supplied by specialist companies, so the
    market price of RE oxide/65% Ce, even if the raw commodity price went up
    16x, it won't have a huge impact.
    Chinese makers of polished glass probably don't give a **** about the
    thorium content of cerium oxide, and their $2/week workers probably have
    no idea at all.
     
    Me, Oct 11, 2011
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  9. Ray Fischer

    PeterN Guest

    On 10/10/2011 4:39 PM, RichA wrote:
    > On Oct 10, 1:38 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    >> Rich<> wrote:
    >>> (Ray Fischer) wrote in
    >>>> Rich<> wrote:
    >>>>> Only two companies now make fluorite, thanks to greenie kooks in
    >>>>> Europe.

    >>
    >>>> Shocking that people still object to being poisoned when there are
    >>>> profits to be made.

    >>
    >>> Little things such as proof of that eluded the socialists determined to

    >>
    >> And there's a rightard whining that people object to being poisoned
    >> for his profit. In his twisted mind anybody who doesn't want to be
    >> killed must be a "socialist".

    >
    > I should preface that by saying, "Western socialist." The Soviets and
    > East Germans (for example) horribly polluted their countries and cared
    > nothing for the well-being of workers, unlike the nanny-state
    > socialists in the West.
    > Anyone you know killed by optical glass? Unless a big mirror fell on
    > them?
    > The last time I heard about a death due to optical glass production
    > was about a guy who died from silicosis caused by breathing glass dust
    > created by the grinding process and it wasn't a conclusive finding.
    > That was about 30 years ago.
    >


    Unfortunately for you, there are lots of things you never heard of. But,
    that never stops you from blabbering on.

    I notice you have not answered my questions. Just look a little up
    thread for them.

    --
    Peter
     
    PeterN, Oct 12, 2011
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