Re: Sarin (Nerve Agent) Bomb Used Against US

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  1. JR

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    "Z" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Are nerve gas shells in Iraq considered WMD?
    >
    > Z
    >
    > "Dave Simpson" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Well, I've already seen one weird statement by the Left that this news
    > > is "suspicious" in being reported now that Bush is "collapsing in the
    > > polls" [sic]. Okay -- we know not to expect much in the way of reason
    > > from the far Left.
    > >
    > > It looks like it was a Hussein-era artillery shell, binary chemical
    > > weapon, specifically with sarin, a nerve agent. (Iraq had and used
    > > chemical weapons in the past that included nerve agents as well as
    > > mustard and cyanide.) Related information at bottom of this posting.
    > >
    > > It also looks like a case of Just Another Artillery Shell's being used
    > > for a roadside bomb, though there must be people in Iraq who can
    > > identify what they are using, and aren't afraid to die or risk death
    > > in using chemical weapons against us or third-party Iraqis.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > [RFE-RL]
    > >
    > > U.S. Military Says Nerve Gas Bomb Found In Iraq
    > >
    > > The U.S. military today said that an artillery round containing sarin
    > > nerve gas exploded after it was discovered by a U.S. convoy in Iraq.
    > >
    > >
    > > U.S. Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt said U.S. forces found the shell,
    > > which he said had been rigged as a roadside bomb.
    > >
    > > "The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter
    > > artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found. The round
    > > had been rigged as an IED [improvised explosive device] which was
    > > discovered by a U.S. force convoy. A detonation occurred before that
    > > IED could be rendered inoperable. This produced a very small dispersal
    > > of agent," Kimmit said.
    > >
    > > Kimmitt said two soldiers were treated for "minor exposure to nerve
    > > agents" after the shell exploded.
    > >
    > > Reuters quoted Kimmitt as saying the incident occurred a few days ago.
    > > Kimmitt did not say where the shell was found.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > [Bloomberg]
    > >
    > > Sarin Nerve Gas Round Found, Partly Detonated in Iraq
    > >
    > > A small shell containing sarin nerve gas was discovered and partly
    > > detonated in Baghdad "a couple of days ago," U.S. Brigadier General
    > > Mark Kimmitt said during a briefing televised from Baghdad.
    > >
    > > The 155-millimeter round, which was rigged as an improvised explosive
    > > device, was found by a U.S. convoy and detonated before it could be
    > > rendered inoperable, producing a very small amount of nerve gas,
    > > Kimmitt said. Two members of the ordnance team were treated for minor
    > > exposure to the nerve agent, he said.
    > >
    > > U.S. President George W. Bush argued before the U.S.-led war to remove
    > > Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein that Iraq had to be attacked because it
    > > possessed weapons of mass destruction. Hussein's regime declared all
    > > of its sarin nerve gas rounds destroyed before the 1991 Gulf War,
    > > Kimmitt said. Kimmitt said it was the first sarin shell the U.S.
    > > military has found.
    > >
    > > Ewen Buchanan, spokesman for the United Nations Monitoring,
    > > Verification and Inspection Commission, or Unmovic, which searched
    > > Iraq for biological, chemical and nuclear weapons for almost four
    > > months until the war began in March 2003, said that without seeing the
    > > round mentioned by Kimmitt, he couldn't comment on whether the find is
    > > significant.
    > >
    > > UN weapons inspectors "did destroy a lot of that stuff in the early
    > > 90s, but we don't discount that remnants of chemical weapons
    > > remained," Buchanan said. "We found 12 empty rounds intended for
    > > chemical weapons" before the war, he said.
    > >
    > > While U.S.-led coalition forces didn't find any weapons of mass
    > > destruction after the invasion of Iraq, Bush said last month there
    > > "could still be" some in the country. Arms experts including David
    > > Kay, chief U.S. arms inspector from June 2003 to January 2004, have
    > > said there most likely weren't any such weapons to find.
    > >
    > > Older Shell
    > >
    > > The shell was an older round with two compartments containing two
    > > chemical components that need to be mixed before the agent is
    > > produced, Kimmitt said today.
    > >
    > > The device was designed to work after being fired from an artillery
    > > cannon and the ability to mix and distribute the gas from an
    > > improvised explosive device is "very limited," Kimmitt said. Rigged
    > > the way it was "it's virtually ineffective," he said.
    > >
    > > Whoever rigged the round to explode appears not to have known the
    > > shell contained nerve agents, said Kimmitt. Sarin, when inhaled in a
    > > high concentration, can kill a person in a couple of minutes.
    > >
    > > Nerve agents such as sarin cause "a kind of death by suffocation"
    > > through muscular paralysis, according to the Organization for the
    > > Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which administers an international
    > > treaty.
    > >
    > > ...
    > >
    > > Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile
    > >
    > > April 1, 2004
    > >
    > >
    > > "If those weapons still exist, the worry is that they will be used
    > > against the Iraqi people, the US forces or even sold off to al-Qaeda.
    > > Maybe those weapons no longer exist, but I find it hard to believe
    > > they could disappear so easily," he says.
    > >
    > >

    >

    http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/31/1080544556813.html?from=storyrhs
    > >
    > >
    > > Sarin
    > >
    > > http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/sarin/index.asp
    > >
    > > http://cfrterrorism.org/weapons/sarin.html
    > >
    > >
    > > "Iraq has admitted the development of prototypes of binary
    > > sarin-filled artillery shells, 122mm rockets and aerial bombs.
    > > However, documentation shows production in quantities well beyond
    > > prototype levels. Iraq has also admitted three flight tests of
    > > long-range missiles with chemical warheads, including one, in April
    > > 1990, with sarin."
    > >
    > > http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/cw-unscom.htm
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > BINARY WEAPONS
    > >
    > >
    > > IN APRIL 1990, SADDAM HUSAYN ANNOUNCED THAT IRAQ HAD BINARY CHEMICAL
    > > WEAPONS. IRAQ HAS PRODUCED AT LEAST SOME BINARY WEAPONS, MOST LIKELY
    > > CONTAINING THE NERVE AGENTS SARIN AND GF.
    > >
    > >
    > > TABLE 2
    > >
    > > IRAQI CHEMICAL MUNITIONS AND DELIVERY SYSTEMS
    > >
    > > ARTILLERY
    > >
    > > 155 MM 152 MM 130 MM 122 MM
    > >
    > > ROCKETS
    > >
    > > MORTARS
    > >
    > > 82 MM 120 MM
    > >
    > >
    > > AERIAL
    > >
    > > 250 KG BOMBS 500 KG BOMBS CLUSTER BOMBS (REPORTED)
    > >
    > > 90 MM AIR-TO-GROUND ROCKETS HELICOPTERBORNE
    > >
    > >
    > > MISSILES1
    > >
    > > SCUD AL-HUSAYN AL-ABBAS
    > >
    > >

    >

    http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/postwar/postwar_refs/n33en003/062596_cia_73925_68275_01.html
    >
     
    JR, May 24, 2004
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