Re: Photography restrictions in London

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by snapper@mailinator.com, Jun 25, 2008.

  1. Guest

    On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:04:42 +0200, Alfred Molon <> wrote:

    > What restrictions are there for photography in public places in London?


    Main thing is that you shouldn't be dressed as an Arab.
    , Jun 25, 2008
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  2. Chris H Guest

    In message <2008062523020116807-adm1@fastmailfm>, adm <>
    writes
    >On 2008-06-25 22:53:06 +0100, said:
    >
    >> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:04:42 +0200, Alfred Molon
    >><> wrote:
    >>
    >>> What restrictions are there for photography in public places in
    >>>London?

    >> Main thing is that you shouldn't be dressed as an Arab.

    >
    >Or take picture of other people's children.


    You can do that.
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    Chris H, Jun 26, 2008
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  3. Penis Kolada Guest

    Chris H wrote:
    > In message <2008062523020116807-adm1@fastmailfm>, adm <>
    > writes
    >> On 2008-06-25 22:53:06 +0100, said:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:04:42 +0200, Alfred Molon
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> What restrictions are there for photography in public places in London?
    >>> Main thing is that you shouldn't be dressed as an Arab.

    >>
    >> Or take picture of other people's children.

    >
    > You can do that.


    You can tie a rope around your neck and jump off a high building too,
    but in both cases the results are likely to be less than pleasant.

    Way before all this current fuss, back in the eighties, I punched a guy
    out for taking photographs of my four year old daughter in a shopping
    mall's kid's playground. He refused to hand over the film, I punched him
    out and took it - didn't damage the camera, just took the film. We both
    got arrested, I got released, he, after a search of his home, got a
    prison sentence. Nothing is new, just better publicised.

    You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if you
    are smart. On the other hand, I have seen kids who are real cuteys and
    have asked the parent/guardian if I could photograph them simply because
    they are so cute and have never been refused. Like Jimmy Durante, I like
    little girls - but not in a nasty way (I have quite a few of my own
    along with a cute wife). They can be fascinating to photograph,
    particularly when they are precocious.

    PK
    Penis Kolada, Jun 26, 2008
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  4. Ray Fischer Guest

    Penis Kolada <> wrote:
    >Chris H wrote:
    >> In message <2008062523020116807-adm1@fastmailfm>, adm <>
    >> writes
    >>> On 2008-06-25 22:53:06 +0100, said:
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:04:42 +0200, Alfred Molon
    >>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> What restrictions are there for photography in public places in London?
    >>>> Main thing is that you shouldn't be dressed as an Arab.
    >>>
    >>> Or take picture of other people's children.

    >>
    >> You can do that.

    >
    >You can tie a rope around your neck and jump off a high building too,
    >but in both cases the results are likely to be less than pleasant.
    >
    >Way before all this current fuss, back in the eighties, I punched a guy
    >out for taking photographs of my four year old daughter in a shopping
    >mall's kid's playground. He refused to hand over the film, I punched him
    >out and took it - didn't damage the camera, just took the film.


    Remarkably stupid of you since that is a felony.

    > We both
    >got arrested, I got released,


    You're very lucky.

    >You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if you
    >are smart.


    How special. Threats from a thug.

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    Ray Fischer
    Ray Fischer, Jun 26, 2008
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  5. Penis Kolada Guest

    Ray Fischer wrote:
    > Penis Kolada <> wrote:
    >> Chris H wrote:
    >>> In message <2008062523020116807-adm1@fastmailfm>, adm <>
    >>> writes
    >>>> On 2008-06-25 22:53:06 +0100, said:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:04:42 +0200, Alfred Molon
    >>>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> What restrictions are there for photography in public places in London?
    >>>>> Main thing is that you shouldn't be dressed as an Arab.
    >>>> Or take picture of other people's children.
    >>> You can do that.

    >> You can tie a rope around your neck and jump off a high building too,
    >> but in both cases the results are likely to be less than pleasant.
    >>
    >> Way before all this current fuss, back in the eighties, I punched a guy
    >> out for taking photographs of my four year old daughter in a shopping
    >> mall's kid's playground. He refused to hand over the film, I punched him
    >> out and took it - didn't damage the camera, just took the film.

    >
    > Remarkably stupid of you since that is a felony.


    No, it is only a misdemeanor when you are provoked.

    >
    >> We both
    >> got arrested, I got released,

    >
    > You're very lucky.


    No, I was within my rights. The Police accepted that. I was not in a
    public place and had refused permission.

    >
    >> You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if you
    >> are smart.

    >
    > How special. Threats from a thug.


    No, just from a parent.

    PK
    Penis Kolada, Jun 26, 2008
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  6. Bill Guest

    On 26 Jun 2008 07:50:58 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

    >Penis Kolada <> wrote:
    >>Chris H wrote:
    >>> In message <2008062523020116807-adm1@fastmailfm>, adm <>
    >>> writes
    >>>> On 2008-06-25 22:53:06 +0100, said:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:04:42 +0200, Alfred Molon
    >>>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> What restrictions are there for photography in public places in London?
    >>>>> Main thing is that you shouldn't be dressed as an Arab.
    >>>>
    >>>> Or take picture of other people's children.
    >>>
    >>> You can do that.

    >>
    >>You can tie a rope around your neck and jump off a high building too,
    >>but in both cases the results are likely to be less than pleasant.
    >>
    >>Way before all this current fuss, back in the eighties, I punched a guy
    >>out for taking photographs of my four year old daughter in a shopping
    >>mall's kid's playground. He refused to hand over the film, I punched him
    >>out and took it - didn't damage the camera, just took the film.

    >
    >Remarkably stupid of you since that is a felony.
    >
    >> We both
    >>got arrested, I got released,

    >
    >You're very lucky.
    >
    >>You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if you
    >>are smart.

    >
    >How special. Threats from a thug.


    His nom de plume or whatever says it all, Penis Kolada!!!!
    Bill, Jun 26, 2008
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  7. Chris H Guest

    In message <>, Penis Kolada
    <> writes
    >Chris H wrote:
    >> In message <2008062523020116807-adm1@fastmailfm>, adm
    >><> writes
    >>> On 2008-06-25 22:53:06 +0100, said:
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:04:42 +0200, Alfred Molon
    >>>><> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> What restrictions are there for photography in public places in London?
    >>>> Main thing is that you shouldn't be dressed as an Arab.
    >>>
    >>> Or take picture of other people's children.

    >> You can do that.

    >
    >You can tie a rope around your neck and jump off a high building too,
    >but in both cases the results are likely to be less than pleasant.


    True

    >Way before all this current fuss, back in the eighties, I punched a guy
    >out for taking photographs of my four year old daughter in a shopping
    >mall's kid's playground.


    Then you are guilty of assault. And so far he is guilty of nothing.

    > He refused to hand over the film,


    He does not have to

    > I punched him out and took it - didn't damage the camera, just took
    >the film.


    Assault and theft. Damaging property (the film) you had and still have
    no right to do any of that.

    > We both got arrested,

    Good.

    > I got released,

    I hope you were charged with assault though.

    > he, after a search of his home, got a prison sentence.

    What for?

    >You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if you
    >are smart.


    Define inappropriate. It is quite legal to take pictures of "people" in
    a public place. Had you assaulted me in the way you describe I can
    assure you nothing incriminating would have been found at my house (I
    have nothing incriminating) and I would have preferred charges.

    You were VERY lucky the person you assaulted was a pedophile.

    >On the other hand, I have seen kids who are real cuteys and have asked
    >the parent/guardian if I could photograph them simply because they are
    >so cute and have never been refused.


    I agree that is the correct way to do it . I always carry ID, the home
    office letter, the UK photographers rights leaflet, a model release and
    the contact details fore the news library I send photos to.

    On the other had I have no interest in photographing children cute or
    otherwise.

    > Like Jimmy Durante, I like little girls - but not in a nasty way (I
    >have quite a few of my own along with a cute wife). They can be
    >fascinating to photograph, particularly when they are precocious.


    Some times... I'm not into "cute"


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    Chris H, Jun 26, 2008
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  8. Chris H Guest

    In message <>, Penis Kolada
    <> writes
    >Ray Fischer wrote:
    >> Penis Kolada <> wrote:
    >>> Chris H wrote:
    >>>> In message <2008062523020116807-adm1@fastmailfm>, adm
    >>>><> writes
    >>>>> On 2008-06-25 22:53:06 +0100, said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:04:42 +0200, Alfred Molon
    >>>>>><> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> What restrictions are there for photography in public places in London?
    >>>>>> Main thing is that you shouldn't be dressed as an Arab.
    >>>>> Or take picture of other people's children.
    >>>> You can do that.
    >>> You can tie a rope around your neck and jump off a high building
    >>>too, but in both cases the results are likely to be less than pleasant.
    >>>
    >>> Way before all this current fuss, back in the eighties, I punched a
    >>>guy out for taking photographs of my four year old daughter in a
    >>>shopping mall's kid's playground. He refused to hand over the film, I
    >>>him out and took it - didn't damage the camera, just took the film.

    >> Remarkably stupid of you since that is a felony.

    >
    >No, it is only a misdemeanor when you are provoked.


    I suppose we would have to have seen the incident to know.

    >>> We both got arrested, I got released,

    >> You're very lucky.

    >
    >No, I was within my rights.


    CRAP. Assault is still assault

    >The Police accepted that.


    They are often wrong.

    >I was not in a public place and had refused permission.

    YOU had refused permission but it is not up to you. It is up to the
    owners of the place you were in,.

    However I would have thought a pedophile would not have wanted to draw
    attention and disappeared when you first accosted him

    >>> You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if
    >>>you are smart.

    >> How special. Threats from a thug.

    >
    >No, just from a parent.


    A thug.
    You attacked first.

    This is why a load of "responsible parents" in Plymouth/ Portsmouth(?)
    attacked a paediatrician they reacted in a paranoid and illegal way.

    Had the photographer NOT actually been a pedophile you may have had a
    custodial sentence. Mob rule is something we don't need.

    (And yes I do have children)





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    Chris H, Jun 26, 2008
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  9. Chris H Guest

    In message <>, Neil Ellwood
    <> writes
    >On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:53:06 +1000, snapper wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:04:42 +0200, Alfred Molon
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> What restrictions are there for photography in public places in London?

    >>
    >> Main thing is that you shouldn't be dressed as an Arab.

    >
    >And a camera helps.
    >


    Not in the current paranoid climate... just a brown skin, a beard and a
    turban. Camera is optional...
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    Chris H, Jun 26, 2008
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  10. Ray Fischer Guest

    Penis Kolada <> wrote:
    >Ray Fischer wrote:
    >> Penis Kolada <> wrote:


    >>> Way before all this current fuss, back in the eighties, I punched a guy
    >>> out for taking photographs of my four year old daughter in a shopping
    >>> mall's kid's playground. He refused to hand over the film, I punched him
    >>> out and took it - didn't damage the camera, just took the film.

    >>
    >> Remarkably stupid of you since that is a felony.

    >
    >No, it is only a misdemeanor when you are provoked.


    Taking pictures is not provation. Strong-arm robbery is a felony.

    >>> We both
    >>> got arrested, I got released,

    >>
    >> You're very lucky.

    >
    >No, I was within my rights.


    You have no right to commit robbery. You could have ended up DEAD.

    > The Police accepted that.


    The police are often stupid. You got lucky.

    > I was not in a
    >public place and had refused permission.


    Yes, you were in a public place. Shapping malls count as such.

    >>> You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if you
    >>> are smart.

    >>
    >> How special. Threats from a thug.

    >
    >No, just from a parent.


    Not all parents are thugs.

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    Ray Fischer, Jun 27, 2008
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  11. Chris H Guest

    In message <4864588b$0$17151$>, Ray Fischer
    <> writes
    >> I was not in a
    >>public place and had refused permission.

    >
    >Yes, you were in a public place. Shapping malls count as such.


    A shopping mall is a private place but I would suggest that it is the
    owners of the shopping mall which dictate the photography rule.


    I know of a mall near me (Brum Bullring) that has no shopping signs.

    Incidentally the photographer might have been employed by the mall to
    take pictures of happy shoppers, cute kids and fluffy dogs etc for
    advertising.

    So assaulting the mall's photographer would have been a stupid thing to
    do if you want to use the mall again.


    BTW it was implied that the photographer in this case was a peado. Was
    that actually the case?

    I would have thought that he would not want to have drawn attention to
    himself for the reasons suggested. What was he arrested for when he
    searched his house?

    Where did this take place (country ) and when?



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    Chris H, Jun 27, 2008
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  12. Chris H wrote:
    []
    > I know of a mall near me (Brum Bullring) that has no shopping signs.


    "No photography" signs, presumably?

    <G>

    David
    David J Taylor, Jun 27, 2008
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  13. Chris H Guest

    In message <DS19k.16619$>, David J
    Taylor <-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk>
    writes
    >Chris H wrote:
    >[]
    >> I know of a mall near me (Brum Bullring) that has no shopping signs.

    >
    >"No photography" signs, presumably?
    ><G>
    >David


    Err yes.. Can you imagine "no shopping" signs in a mall?

    Actually what I need is some one to go though the mall putting "no
    shopping" signs over the "no photography" signs and then follow up to
    take photos of the signs...

    Anarchistic performance art... I'm regressing back to the 60's :)


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    Chris H, Jun 27, 2008
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  14. The Kat Guest

    On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:38:15 +0100, Chris H <> wrote:


    >A shopping mall is a private place


    Bull.

    > but I would suggest that it is the
    >owners of the shopping mall which dictate the photography rule.


    But even THEY can not confiscate YOUR property.



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  15. Chris H Guest

    In message <>, The Kat
    <> writes
    >On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:38:15 +0100, Chris H <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>A shopping mall is a private place

    >
    >Bull.


    No. It IS a private place just as any shop or office is. The *OWNERS*
    of the shopping mall not members of the public in it can say yes or no
    to photography.

    As I mentioned Birmingham Bullring has "No photography" signs in it. I
    am in Brum at the week end I must get some pictures of them :)

    >> but I would suggest that it is the
    >>owners of the shopping mall which dictate the photography rule.

    >
    >But even THEY can not confiscate YOUR property.


    Correct. They can call the police who could.

    However....... the photographer in question was not taking any
    inappropriate pictures of the child. There is no proof as the idiot who
    assaulted him destroyed the evidence.

    If confronted by the police you do not (and they can not*) delete
    pictures. Either there is no offence in which case you can keep them
    OR they arrest you in which case they are evidence.


    * There are situations in Official "Prohibited Places" where deleting
    the pictures is the better option as it clearly (I have pictures of the
    signs :) is illegal or some other very exceptional situations.

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    Chris H, Jun 27, 2008
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  16. Chris H Guest

    In message <>, Penis Kolada
    <> writes
    >Chris H wrote:
    >
    >Way before all this current fuss, back in the eighties, I punched a guy
    >out for taking photographs of my four year old daughter in a shopping
    >mall's kid's playground. He refused to hand over the film, I punched
    >him out and took it - didn't damage the camera, just took the film. We
    >both got arrested, I got released, he, after a search of his home, got
    >a prison sentence.


    What was found at his home?
    What was he charged with?
    Which country was this?


    >
    >You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if you
    >are smart.


    He didn't and you can't prove otherwise as you destroyed the photos

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    Chris H, Jun 27, 2008
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  17. Chris H Guest

    In message <>, Penis Kolada
    <> writes
    >Chris H wrote:
    >> In message <4864588b$0$17151$>, Ray Fischer
    >><> writes


    The long version makes more sense. I can understand your actions. Might
    have done similar myself in that situation

    >> Where did this take place (country ) and when?

    >
    >Brisbane, Australia in 1988, we were there for the World Expo.
    >
    >PK


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    Chris H, Jun 27, 2008
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  18. DubDriver Guest

    "Penis Kolada" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    >
    > I punched a guy out for taking photographs of my four year old daughter in
    > a shopping mall's kid's playground.


    Later you wrote "... taken a shot up her skirt ... sitting on the counter at
    the checkout waiting for me to pay for our purchases". Why would the
    checkout be situated in a kid's playground?

    Later you wrote "I had left the country before any court case involving him
    came up" and ", they refused to tell me, said that it was not public
    information". How then do you know that ...

    > after a search of his home, got a prison sentence.


    > You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if you are
    > smart.


    So to sum up, he "had been hanging around for a few days" in order to make
    himself "extremely obvious" openly taking photographs of little girls in a
    *busy* place to the point where he got himself involved with you, a "queue
    of outraged women", mall security, the police and prison. That's either one
    hell of a great story or I'd wonder how he'd managed not to have got caught
    sooner!
    DubDriver, Jun 27, 2008
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  19. Penis Kolada Guest

    DubDriver wrote:
    >
    > "Penis Kolada" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>
    >>
    >> I punched a guy out for taking photographs of my four year old
    >> daughter in a shopping mall's kid's playground.

    >
    > Later you wrote "... taken a shot up her skirt ... sitting on the
    > counter at the checkout waiting for me to pay for our purchases". Why
    > would the checkout be situated in a kid's playground?


    I don't know how it is where you live, but kids play areas, child
    minding centres etc., are not free in most places in my experience. You
    have to pay for them as well as for any food or drink or electronic
    entertainment the child has whilst a guest.

    >
    > Later you wrote "I had left the country before any court case involving
    > him came up" and ", they refused to tell me, said that it was not public
    > information". How then do you know that ...


    Court cases are usually months after the arrest. They (the arresting
    Police, not the courts) told me two days later, well before the Expo
    finished and we left.

    >
    >> after a search of his home, got a prison sentence.

    >
    >> You *don't* show inappropriate interest in other people's kids if you
    >> are smart.

    >
    > So to sum up, he "had been hanging around for a few days" in order to
    > make himself "extremely obvious" openly taking photographs of little
    > girls in a *busy* place to the point where he got himself involved with
    > you, a "queue of outraged women", mall security, the police and prison.


    No, he first had *me* become involved with him. His response to me and
    his continuing to photograph my daughter in the way he did is what
    outraged bystanders. Most of these bystanders were parents with children
    in the Play centre. The girl at the checkout summoned security. I have
    no idea who called the Police.

    > That's either one hell of a great story or I'd wonder how he'd managed
    > not to have got caught sooner!


    I imagine that if it all happened now he would have been caught much
    sooner. This was twenty years ago, not quite the same degree of
    suspicion then of people with cameras. You might get remonstrated with
    for taking photos but there was no automatic presumption of anything
    nasty, just of bad manners. The girl at the checkout was uncomfortable
    about the guy, but in 1988 he wasn't doing anything illegal, nor
    sufficient to warrant official intervention. Nowadays they wouldn't
    hesitate. I have a grandchild now (I told her that I wasn't old enough
    to be a grandfather but she didn't listen :) )and it is even hard for a
    parent or grandparent to get in to a child minding centre. Any adults
    who enter the area have to have full photographic identification and a
    known relationship to a child in the centre.

    Back then, if I hadn't heard the camera and spotted what he was doing
    nothing would have happened. If he had been open about taking photos,
    had the camera to his eye rather than trying to hide the fact I'd have
    thought little of it. My daughter was very cute and photogenic, others
    had asked to photograph her in the past. This guy was different. And I'm
    pushy and stubborn when it comes to my kids' welfare. My kids are my
    life. Even my "Penis Kolada" nickname comes from one of them relaying a
    drink order at a family gathering and demanding a "Penis Colada" for her
    mother, who was going through a Pina Colada stage. When the laughter
    subsided the nick had stuck as they all decided that I had the only
    Penis - Colada or otherwise, allowed near my wife. Usually they shorten
    it to PK. It was PC at first, but that caused too much confusion.

    PK
    Penis Kolada, Jun 27, 2008
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  20. tony cooper Guest

    On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:54:19 +1000, Penis Kolada <>
    wrote:

    >I don't know how it is where you live, but kids play areas, child
    >minding centres etc., are not free in most places in my experience. You
    >have to pay for them as well as for any food or drink or electronic
    >entertainment the child has whilst a guest.


    Not here. Many of the malls here have free play areas. These are not
    the electronic game type areas, but the slides and
    climbing-on-large-plastic-animals type. One parent can take a child
    there while the other parent shops.


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    tony cooper, Jun 27, 2008
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