Re: OT: Chinese Microsoft Slaves Threaten Suicide

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Burt Johnson, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. Burt Johnson

    Burt Johnson Guest

    George Kerby <> wrote:

    > Take that, RichA...
    >
    > <http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Xbox-workers-threaten-suicide-apf-2198742383.
    > html?x=0>
    >
    > Probably the tremendous self-guilt for producing useless crap has caught up
    > with them.


    There are suisides every day here in America. Should be blame Big Blue
    (or Big Rainbow) for those too?

    Look around your home. Do you buy _everything_ only made in USA? If
    not, then you are part of the "problem" of any worker in any plant you
    bought stuff from. If so, then you are part of the problem for any
    suicide in America -- at least if you subscribe to the theory that the
    only reason for these problems is because the workers are "slaves."

    It is always comfortable to put all prolblems into a single bag, and
    then say XYZ owns the bag. Unfortunately, life is rarely that
    simplistic...

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    Burt Johnson, Jan 13, 2012
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  2. Burt Johnson

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    Nigel Ratburn <> wrote:

    > On 1/13/12 1:21 AM, Burt Johnson wrote:
    >
    > > There are suisides every day here in America. Should be blame Big Blue
    > > (or Big Rainbow) for those too?

    >
    > The correct spelling is suicide.


    It is so wonderful to know that spelling overrides logic. sign of the
    times... (and note about need for spell-checking in Macsoup...)

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    Burt Johnson, Jan 14, 2012
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  3. Burt Johnson

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    Rich <> wrote:

    > Kurt Ullman <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    > > In article <1kds61i.80dqkbeizbtxN%>,
    > > (Burt Johnson) wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Look around your home. Do you buy _everything_ only made in USA? If
    > >> not, then you are part of the "problem" of any worker in any plant you
    > >> bought stuff from. If so, then you are part of the problem for any
    > >> suicide in America -- at least if you subscribe to the theory that the
    > >> only reason for these problems is because the workers are "slaves."
    > >>

    > > We have met the enemy and he is us.
    > >

    >
    > "We will sell the capitalists the rope with which we'll hang them."
    > American has been economically hanged.


    Yeah, and Krushev is long gone, as is his 'superior' communist (aka
    socialist) country.

    Anyone that believes that "America has been economically hanged" is a
    deluded simpleton that still believes Marx knew what he was talking
    about...

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    Burt Johnson, Jan 15, 2012
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  4. Burt Johnson

    PeterN Guest

    On 1/14/2012 7:04 PM, Burt Johnson wrote:
    > Rich<> wrote:
    >
    >> Kurt Ullman<> wrote in
    >> news::
    >>
    >>> In article<1kds61i.80dqkbeizbtxN%>,
    >>> (Burt Johnson) wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Look around your home. Do you buy _everything_ only made in USA? If
    >>>> not, then you are part of the "problem" of any worker in any plant you
    >>>> bought stuff from. If so, then you are part of the problem for any
    >>>> suicide in America -- at least if you subscribe to the theory that the
    >>>> only reason for these problems is because the workers are "slaves."
    >>>>
    >>> We have met the enemy and he is us.
    >>>

    >>
    >> "We will sell the capitalists the rope with which we'll hang them."
    >> American has been economically hanged.

    >
    > Yeah, and Krushev is long gone, as is his 'superior' communist (aka
    > socialist) country.


    The strange thing is that some forms of communism do work well. It must
    be limited to small, industry specific groups. I think of the community
    based lobster fishermen. They respect each others fishing area; if one
    is sick; they tend his traps; they sell through a cooperative. In a
    sense these strongly independent businessmen function in a form of
    communism.
    That is why I am so rabidly against labeling.


    >
    > Anyone that believes that "America has been economically hanged" is a
    > deluded simpleton that still believes Marx knew what he was talking
    > about...
    >


    Agreed.


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    PeterN, Jan 15, 2012
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    Wes Groleau Guest

    On 01-15-2012 08:45, Kurt Ullman wrote:
    > In article<4f12c99c$0$18718$-secrets.com>,
    > PeterN<> wrote:
    >> The strange thing is that some forms of communism do work well. It must
    >> be limited to small, industry specific groups. I think of the community
    >> based lobster fishermen. They respect each others fishing area; if one
    >> is sick; they tend his traps; they sell through a cooperative. In a
    >> sense these strongly independent businessmen function in a form of
    >> communism.
    >> That is why I am so rabidly against labeling.

    > But this is a cooperative and not remotely communism. Under communism
    > the property is owned by the community. In this, the individual
    > fishermen own their boats, their traps, and most likely, the
    > cooperative.


    Also, voluntary sharing and helping is vastly different from having the
    government trying to be Robin Hood.

    --
    Wes Groleau

    People would have more leisure time if it weren't
    for all the leisure-time activities that use it up.
    — Peg Bracken
     
    Wes Groleau, Jan 16, 2012
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  6. Burt Johnson

    Wes Groleau Guest

    On 01-15-2012 23:10, Wes Groleau wrote:
    > Also, voluntary sharing and helping is vastly different from having the
    > government trying to be Robin Hood.


    Especially when _our_ Robin Hood steals from the middle class and gives
    a small part of it to the poor.

    --
    Wes Groleau

    People would have more leisure time if it weren't
    for all the leisure-time activities that use it up.
    — Peg Bracken
     
    Wes Groleau, Jan 17, 2012
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  7. In article <jf2mv4$gl0$>,
    Wes Groleau <> wrote:

    > On 01-15-2012 23:10, Wes Groleau wrote:
    > > Also, voluntary sharing and helping is vastly different from having the
    > > government trying to be Robin Hood.

    >
    > Especially when _our_ Robin Hood steals from the middle class and gives
    > a small part of it to the poor.


    But mostly to the rich.

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    Walter Bushell, Mar 5, 2012
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  8. Burt Johnson

    Tim McNamara Guest

    In article <>,
    Walter Bushell <> wrote:

    > In article <jf2mv4$gl0$>,
    > Wes Groleau <> wrote:
    >
    > > On 01-15-2012 23:10, Wes Groleau wrote:
    > > > Also, voluntary sharing and helping is vastly different from
    > > > having the government trying to be Robin Hood.

    > >
    > > Especially when _our_ Robin Hood steals from the middle class and
    > > gives a small part of it to the poor.

    >
    > But mostly to the rich.


    Indeed- $800 billion of the $1 trillion Bush tax cuts is sitting in the
    national debt and is now equally charged to all Americans. That's 80%
    for the mathematically challenged. Yet another massive transfer of
    wealth to the rich from everyone else courtesy of the Republican Party,
    using the public sector as a tool because letting the private sector do
    it wasn't efficient enough.

    "Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
    Riding through the land
    Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
    Without a merry band
    He steals from the poor
    And gives to the rich
    Stupid bitch"

    --
    And wackiness ensues...
     
    Tim McNamara, Mar 5, 2012
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  9. In article <>,
    Tim McNamara <> wrote:

    > "Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
    > Riding through the land
    > Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
    > Without a merry band
    > He steals from the poor
    > And gives to the rich
    > Stupid bitch"


    He appears to be just the opposite of that, according to his Wikipedia
    entry.

    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Moore>

    Do you mean a different Dennis Moore?

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    People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.
     
    Michelle Steiner, Mar 5, 2012
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  10. Burt Johnson

    Tim McNamara Guest

    In article <-september.org>,
    Michelle Steiner <> wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > Tim McNamara <> wrote:
    >
    > > "Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
    > > Riding through the land
    > > Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
    > > Without a merry band
    > > He steals from the poor
    > > And gives to the rich
    > > Stupid bitch"

    >
    > He appears to be just the opposite of that, according to his Wikipedia
    > entry.
    >
    > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Moore>
    >
    > Do you mean a different Dennis Moore?


    It is a stanza of a longer work by the famous 13th century troubadour
    Monty Python, about the infamous Dennis Moore- highwayman and
    redistributor of lupins.

    --
    And wackiness ensues...
     
    Tim McNamara, Mar 5, 2012
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  11. In article <>,
    Tim McNamara <> wrote:

    > It is a stanza of a longer work by the famous 13th century troubadour
    > Monty Python, about the infamous Dennis Moore- highwayman and
    > redistributor of lupins.


    Ah, that Dennis Moore.

    --
    Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as
    People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.
     
    Michelle Steiner, Mar 5, 2012
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  12. Burt Johnson

    Tim McNamara Guest

    Whatcha need to know about the system is this:

    * 30 of the country's largest corporations‹including GE, Wells Fargo,
    Verizon, and Fed Ex‹paid more to lobby Congress from 2008 through 2010
    than they did in federal income taxes.

    * Of the 30 companies, only one actually paid *any* federal income
    taxes: FedEx. The rest received nearly $11 billion in *rebates.* And
    even FedEx only paid 1%, 34% less than the statutory rate. As for
    lobbying, the 30 corporations spent a combined $476 million‹or $400,000
    a day every single day of the year, to ensure their interests were
    represented in Congress. GE led with way with $84 million in the
    three-year period Verizon spent $54 million, and Boeing spent $52
    million.

    * Of the seven companies that would make their employment records
    public, the report shows that over 50,000 Americans were laid off by
    these corporations, despite them turning a profit.

    More details here:

    <http://publicampaign.org/sites/default/files/ReportTaxDodgerLobbyingDec6
    ..pdf>

    That's why it can't be fixed. Congress is no longer the peoples' house,
    unless "people" = "corporations."

    --
    And wackiness ensues...
     
    Tim McNamara, Mar 6, 2012
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