Re: Illegal alien population increases by %88 percent in US since 2000

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  1. greg3347

    greg3347 Guest

    On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, gringogirl <> wrote:
    > Please, if you have never forwarded a single one of my messages in the
    > past, forward this one. I've been following this issue closely for
    > years and have never seen anything as shocking as this.
    >
    > This is not about race, it's about security and the financial well-
    > being of the United States. We simply cannot take this exponential
    > growth, no country can.
    >
    > Do you wonder which party has been more complicit in creating our
    > illegal immigration problem? Guess what, it's both parties. Check
    > out the findings from Federation for American Immigration Reform. If
    > we don't insist that our sorry excuses for leaders stop this invasion,
    > we are in real trouble and will lose our country as we know it.
    >
    > http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuece...
    >
    > How Many Illegal Aliens?
    > Government and academic estimates indicate that as of 2006 there are
    > 11 to 12 million illegal aliens living in the United States . The
    > Center for Immigration Studies estimated the illegal alien population
    > at 10 million as of November 2004. FAIR estimates that in 2007 the
    > illegal alien population is above 13 million persons.
    >
    > It is difficult to have an exact figure because the illegal nature of
    > their presence prevents any enumeration, but the U.S. Census Bureau
    > estimated 8.7 million illegal aliens were here in 2000, and
    > immigration officials estimate that the illegal alien population grows
    > by as many as 500,000 every year.
    > Estimated Distribution of the Illegal Alien Population
    > The nationalities of the illegal alien population in the Census Bureau
    > estimate and INS estimate for 2000 are as follow:
    > Region/Country CB Est. INS Est.
    > North and Central America 5,312,990
    > Mexico 3,871,912 4,808,000
    > Cuba 216,297
    > Dominican Republic 17,942 91,000
    > El Salvador 336,717 189,000
    > Guatemala 238,977 144,000
    > Canada 156,231 47,000
    > Haiti 48,003 76,000
    > Honduras 138,000
    > Jamaica 37,666
    > Trinidad & Tobago 44,178
    > Otr N&C America 345,067
    > South America 624,419
    > Argentina 35,958
    > Brazil 77,000
    > Colombia 174,786 141,000
    > Ecuador 105,197 108,000
    > Peru 68,174 61,000
    > Otr S America 240,304
    > Europe 1,113,683
    > France 36,477
    > Germany 113,327
    > Greece 15,507
    > Ireland -2,233
    > Italy 62,456
    > Netherlands 17,885
    > Poland 92,684
    > Portugal 33,874
    > Spain 23,816
    > U.S.S.R. (incl. Est., Lat., Lith.) 344,877
    > United Kingdom 123,246
    > Yugoslavia 110,280
    > Other Europe 141,487
    > Asia 1,363,419
    > Middle East 114,818
    > Iran 30,823
    > Israel 24,372
    > Otr M E (incl. Afghanistan ) 59,623
    > South & East Asia 1,248,601
    > China (incl. Taiwan ) 226,886 115,000
    > India 200,306 70,000
    > Japan 118,357
    > Korea 182,621 55,000
    > Philippines 155,239 85,000
    > Otr S& E Asia 365,192
    > Africa 243,342
    > Oceania 47,568
    > Australia 16,777
    > Other Oceania 30,791
    > All Other 795,000
    > Total 8,705,421 7,000,000
    >
    > The estimate by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)
    > issued in February 2003 put the number of resident illegal aliens at
    > seven million (as of Jan. 2000), 4.8 million of whom were Mexican and
    > 2.2 million of whom resided in California . That estimate included the
    > annual rate of increase in the illegal alien population -- 350,000
    > with 73,200 (31.6%) of that annual increase taking up residence in
    > California . So, by 2003, the illegal alien population would have
    > increased to over eight million.
    >
    > The method by which the INS arrived at this estimate was based on data
    > collected as a result of the 1986 amnesty and then relied on Census
    > data and INS legal immigration data and airline arrival/departure
    > records for updating the estimate. The estimate included only aliens
    > who continued to reside illegally in the United States for more than
    > one year. Left out of the estimate were aliens doing seasonal work
    > illegally in the United States and all aliens during the first year of
    > overstaying the terms of an authorized nonimmigrant entry, as well
    > groups of illegal alien residents who were issued work permits under
    > programs such as Temporary Protected Status (TPS).
    >
    > The 2000 Census, like all previous censuses, made no attempt to
    > determine the immigration status of foreign-born residents.
    > Nevertheless, the results of the Census did contribute to a re-
    > evaluation of the size of the illegal alien population. Most analysts
    > agree that the illegal alien population now numbers more than 10-11
    > million persons as is shown below.
    > The first estimates that challenged the INS estimates appeared from
    > labor force researchers at Northeastern University .[1] They estimated
    > in 2001 that the illegal alien population could be as large as 11
    > million. They later revised that estimate upward to 12 million.
    >
    > The director of the Census Bureau, when asked about the much higher
    > estimate of the illegal alien population agreed that the 2000 Census
    > data indicated that the illegal alien estimate of the INS was too low,
    > but did not offer a different estimate.
    >
    > In the August 2001 issue of Demography, immigration researchers
    > estimated the current total population of illegal aliens at 7.1
    > million, of whom 3.9 million were Mexicans. Also in August, a
    > demographer at the Urban Institute issued an estimate that the illegal
    > alien population was 8.5 million, with 4.5 million of them being
    > Mexican.
    >
    > The Census Bureau issued an estimate in January 2002 that the illegal
    > alien population in 2000 was 8,705,421. That estimate was based on the
    > discrepancy between the number of foreign-born residents and the
    > number of legally admitted immigrants. Included in that number may be
    > aliens residing in the United States under provisions that preclude
    > their deportation, but who are not legal permanent residents, such as
    > beneficiaries of Section 245(i) petitions, or asylees who have not
    > been in the country long enough for adjustment of status, or Central
    > American beneficiaries of the NACARA legislation. The Census Bureau
    > estimate is preliminary and subject to modification after review of
    > the methodology by interested parties.
    >
    > An independent estimate by analysts of the bear-Stearns investment
    > firm said the illegal alien population "...may be as high as 20 million
    > people."[2] This estimate dismisses lower official estimates as being
    > flawed by the non-response of illegal alien to census takers. However,
    > this conclusion misses the fact that the official estimates are
    > instead based on a comparison between the growth in the foreign-born
    > population and new legal immigrant arrivals. This allows the trend in
    > the illegal alien population to be observed despite non-response in
    > the Census.
    >
    > TIME Magazine in a feature article in 2004 published an estimate of
    > three million illegal aliens arriving each year.[3] However, that
    > estimate was based on a mistaken assumption that a million illegal
    > aliens are being apprehended each year and three times as many avoid
    > apprehension. The actual number of persons apprehended is considerably
    > lower than one million because the same individual often may be
    > apprehended multiple times during the year.
    >
    > The following table shows estimates of the illegal alien population by
    > state by the INS, DHS[4] and the Pew Hispanic Center[5] as well as the
    > current estimates by FAIR. (Numbers are thousands).
    >
    > State INS'92 INS'96 INS'00 DHS'05 DHS'06 Pew'02-4 Pew'05 FAIR'07
    > Ala. 3 4 24 28 40 55
    > Aka. 2 4 5 5 5 10
    > Ariz. 95 115 283 480 500 500 425 475
    > Ark. 4 5 27 28 40 50
    > Cal. 1,600 2,000 2,209 2,770 2,830 2,400 2,625 3,470
    > Col. 35 45 144 225 250 270
    > Ct. 22 29 39 70 85 115
    > Del. 2 3 7 28 23 20
    > D.C. 21 30 10 28 25 35
    > Fla. 270 350 337 850 980 850 863 810
    > Ga. 26 32 228 470 490 225 400 440
    > Hi. 6 9 2 28 28 30
    > Idaho 12 16 19 28 35 35
    > Ill. 220 290 432 520 550 400 400 775
    > Ind. 11 14 45 70 70 110
    > Iowa 5 6 24 70 70 55
    > Kans. 15 20 47 70 55 90
    > Ky. 5 6 15 28 45 40
    > La. 18 22 5 28 35 25
    > Maine 2 3 3 5 5 5
    > Md. 33 44 56 225 250 150
    > Mass. 65 85 87 225 200 250
    > Mich. 28 37 70 125 125 200
    > Minn. 6 7 60 70 88 125
    > Miss. 3 4 8 28 40 20
    > Mo. 12 16 22 70 50 65
    > Mont. 1 1 2 5 5 5
    > Neb. 6 8 24 28 45 45
    > Nev. 19 24 101 240 125 175 170
    > N.H. 2 2 2 5 20 15
    > N.J. 105 135 221 380 430 350 388 490
    > N.M. 29 37 39 70 63 70
    > N.Y. 410 540 489 560 540 650 600 1,110
    > N.C. 20 22 206 360 370 300 350 385
    > N.D. 1 1 2 5 5 5
    > Ohio 18 23 40 125 111 115
    > Okla. 17 21 46 70 63 85
    > Ore. 27 33 90 125 150 170
    > Pa. 27 37 49 125 150 140
    > R.I. 9 12 16 28 30 35
    > S.C. 4 5 36 28 55 75
    > S.D. 1 1 2 5 5 5
    > Tenn. 10 13 46 125 125 100
    > Texas 530 700 1,041 1,360 1,640 1,400 1,500 1,740
    > Utah 13 15 65 70 83 125
    > Vt. 2 3 2 5 5 5
    > Va. 42 55 103 225 275 205
    > Wash. 42 52 136 280 225 225 255
    > W.V. 2 2 2 5 5 5
    > Wis. 6 8 41 125 93 90
    > Wyo. 1 2 2 5 5 5
    > Total 3,865 4,947 7,013 10,760 11,550 10,080 10,803 13,175
    >
    > Amnesty proposals for granting legal residence to these illegal aliens
    > take various forms, and the number of proposed beneficiaries vary
    > depending on the proposal. For example, in the 1986 general amnesty,
    > illegal aliens other than those in agricultural work were eligible
    > only if they had been living in the United States for four years
    > (since 1982). Thus, the nearly three million beneficiaries did not
    > include illegal aliens who had arrived during the previous four years
    > (unless they presented fraudulent evidence of having arrived earlier,
    > as many of them did).
    >
    > Although the number of illegal aliens in the country can only be
    > estimated, and it is unclear what form currently proposed amnesty
    > provisions might take, it is safe from the above analysis to conclude
    > that any new amnesty would likely involve as many as four times as
    > many illegal aliens as benefited from the 1986 amnesty.
    >
    > Updated 10/2007
    >
    > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
    >
    > [1] "Feds Undercount Illegal Aliens," NewsMax.com, (March 16, 2001).
    > [2] Robert Justich and Betty Ng, "The Underground Labor Force is
    > Rising to the Surface," Bear Sterns, January 3, 2005.
    > [3] Barlett, Donald and James Steele, "Who Left the Door Open?," TIME
    > Magazine, September 12, 2004.
    > [4] The most recent estimates by DHS only show the estimate for the 10
    > states with the largest illegal alien population
    > [5] Pew Hispanic Center estimates of the illegal immigrant population
    > are stated as a range, e.g., California 2.5 million to 2.75 million.
    > The chart shows the mid-point of the estimate, e.g. California 2.625
    > million
    > _________________________________


    Failure to secure our border and to remove illegal aliens has put the
    future of the continent in jeopardy.
    Following Bush's twisted approval of illegal's Senator Clinton
    promises more of the same i.e., her
    failure to even discuss the problem during last night's debate.

    greg
    greg3347, Oct 31, 2007
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  2. greg3347

    qwest602000 Guest

    On Oct 31, 5:02 am, greg3347 <> wrote:
    > On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, gringogirl <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > Please, if you have never forwarded a single one of my messages in the
    > > past, forward this one. I've been following this issue closely for
    > > years and have never seen anything as shocking as this.

    >
    > > This is not about race, it's about security and the financial well-
    > > being of the United States. We simply cannot take this exponential
    > > growth, no country can.

    >
    > > Do you wonder which party has been more complicit in creating our
    > > illegal immigration problem? Guess what, it's both parties. Check
    > > out the findings from Federation for American Immigration Reform. If
    > > we don't insist that our sorry excuses for leaders stop this invasion,
    > > we are in real trouble and will lose our country as we know it.

    >
    > >http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuece....

    >
    > > How Many Illegal Aliens?
    > > Government and academic estimates indicate that as of 2006 there are
    > > 11 to 12 million illegal aliens living in the United States . The
    > > Center for Immigration Studies estimated the illegal alien population
    > > at 10 million as of November 2004. FAIR estimates that in 2007 the
    > > illegal alien population is above 13 million persons.

    >
    > > It is difficult to have an exact figure because the illegal nature of
    > > their presence prevents any enumeration, but the U.S. Census Bureau
    > > estimated 8.7 million illegal aliens were here in 2000, and
    > > immigration officials estimate that the illegal alien population grows
    > > by as many as 500,000 every year.
    > > Estimated Distribution of the Illegal Alien Population
    > > The nationalities of the illegal alien population in the Census Bureau
    > > estimate and INS estimate for 2000 are as follow:
    > > Region/Country CB Est. INS Est.
    > > North and Central America 5,312,990
    > > Mexico 3,871,912 4,808,000
    > > Cuba 216,297
    > > Dominican Republic 17,942 91,000
    > > El Salvador 336,717 189,000
    > > Guatemala 238,977 144,000
    > > Canada 156,231 47,000
    > > Haiti 48,003 76,000
    > > Honduras 138,000
    > > Jamaica 37,666
    > > Trinidad & Tobago 44,178
    > > Otr N&C America 345,067
    > > South America 624,419
    > > Argentina 35,958
    > > Brazil 77,000
    > > Colombia 174,786 141,000
    > > Ecuador 105,197 108,000
    > > Peru 68,174 61,000
    > > Otr S America 240,304
    > > Europe 1,113,683
    > > France 36,477
    > > Germany 113,327
    > > Greece 15,507
    > > Ireland -2,233
    > > Italy 62,456
    > > Netherlands 17,885
    > > Poland 92,684
    > > Portugal 33,874
    > > Spain 23,816
    > > U.S.S.R. (incl. Est., Lat., Lith.) 344,877
    > > United Kingdom 123,246
    > > Yugoslavia 110,280
    > > Other Europe 141,487
    > > Asia 1,363,419
    > > Middle East 114,818
    > > Iran 30,823
    > > Israel 24,372
    > > Otr M E (incl. Afghanistan ) 59,623
    > > South & East Asia 1,248,601
    > > China (incl. Taiwan ) 226,886 115,000
    > > India 200,306 70,000
    > > Japan 118,357
    > > Korea 182,621 55,000
    > > Philippines 155,239 85,000
    > > Otr S& E Asia 365,192
    > > Africa 243,342
    > > Oceania 47,568
    > > Australia 16,777
    > > Other Oceania 30,791
    > > All Other 795,000
    > > Total 8,705,421 7,000,000

    >
    > > The estimate by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)
    > > issued in February 2003 put the number of resident illegal aliens at
    > > seven million (as of Jan. 2000), 4.8 million of whom were Mexican and
    > > 2.2 million of whom resided in California . That estimate included the
    > > annual rate of increase in the illegal alien population -- 350,000
    > > with 73,200 (31.6%) of that annual increase taking up residence in
    > > California . So, by 2003, the illegal alien population would have
    > > increased to over eight million.

    >
    > > The method by which the INS arrived at this estimate was based on data
    > > collected as a result of the 1986 amnesty and then relied on Census
    > > data and INS legal immigration data and airline arrival/departure
    > > records for updating the estimate. The estimate included only aliens
    > > who continued to reside illegally in the United States for more than
    > > one year. Left out of the estimate were aliens doing seasonal work
    > > illegally in the United States and all aliens during the first year of
    > > overstaying the terms of an authorized nonimmigrant entry, as well
    > > groups of illegal alien residents who were issued work permits under
    > > programs such as Temporary Protected Status (TPS).

    >
    > > The 2000 Census, like all previous censuses, made no attempt to
    > > determine the immigration status of foreign-born residents.
    > > Nevertheless, the results of the Census did contribute to a re-
    > > evaluation of the size of the illegal alien population. Most analysts
    > > agree that the illegal alien population now numbers more than 10-11
    > > million persons as is shown below.
    > > The first estimates that challenged the INS estimates appeared from
    > > labor force researchers at Northeastern University .[1] They estimated
    > > in 2001 that the illegal alien population could be as large as 11
    > > million. They later revised that estimate upward to 12 million.

    >
    > > The director of the Census Bureau, when asked about the much higher
    > > estimate of the illegal alien population agreed that the 2000 Census
    > > data indicated that the illegal alien estimate of the INS was too low,
    > > but did not offer a different estimate.

    >
    > > In the August 2001 issue of Demography, immigration researchers
    > > estimated the current total population of illegal aliens at 7.1
    > > million, of whom 3.9 million were Mexicans. Also in August, a
    > > demographer at the Urban Institute issued an estimate that the illegal
    > > alien population was 8.5 million, with 4.5 million of them being
    > > Mexican.

    >
    > > The Census Bureau issued an estimate in January 2002 that the illegal
    > > alien population in 2000 was 8,705,421. That estimate was based on the
    > > discrepancy between the number of foreign-born residents and the
    > > number of legally admitted immigrants. Included in that number may be
    > > aliens residing in the United States under provisions that preclude
    > > their deportation, but who are not legal permanent residents, such as
    > > beneficiaries of Section 245(i) petitions, or asylees who have not
    > > been in the country long enough for adjustment of status, or Central
    > > American beneficiaries of the NACARA legislation. The Census Bureau
    > > estimate is preliminary and subject to modification after review of
    > > the methodology by interested parties.

    >
    > > An independent estimate by analysts of the bear-Stearns investment
    > > firm said the illegal alien population "...may be as high as 20 million
    > > people."[2] This estimate dismisses lower official estimates as being
    > > flawed by the non-response of illegal alien to census takers. However,
    > > this conclusion misses the fact that the official estimates are
    > > instead based on a comparison between the growth in the foreign-born
    > > population and new legal immigrant arrivals. This allows the trend in
    > > the illegal alien population to be observed despite non-response in
    > > the Census.

    >
    > > TIME Magazine in a feature article in 2004 published an estimate of
    > > three million illegal aliens arriving each year.[3] However, that
    > > estimate was based on a mistaken assumption that a million illegal
    > > aliens are being apprehended each year and three times as many avoid
    > > apprehension. The actual number of persons apprehended is considerably
    > > lower than one million because the same individual often may be
    > > apprehended multiple times during the year.

    >
    > > The following table shows estimates of the illegal alien population by
    > > state by the INS, DHS[4] and the Pew Hispanic Center[5] as well as the
    > > current estimates by FAIR. (Numbers are thousands).

    >
    > > State INS'92 INS'96 INS'00 DHS'05 DHS'06 Pew'02-4 Pew'05 FAIR'07
    > > Ala. 3 4 24 28 40 55
    > > Aka. 2 4 5 5 5 10
    > > Ariz. 95 115 283 480 500 500 425 475
    > > Ark. 4 5 27 28 40 50
    > > Cal. 1,600 2,000 2,209 2,770 2,830 2,400 2,625 3,470
    > > Col. 35 45 144 225 250 270
    > > Ct. 22 29 39 70 85 115
    > > Del. 2 3 7 28 23 20
    > > D.C. 21 30 10 28 25 35
    > > Fla. 270 350 337 850 980 850 863 810
    > > Ga. 26 32 228 470 490 225 400 440
    > > Hi. 6 9 2 28 28 30
    > > Idaho 12 16 19 28 35 35
    > > Ill. 220 290 432 520 550 400 400 775
    > > Ind. 11 14 45 70 70 110
    > > Iowa 5 6 24 70 70 55
    > > Kans. 15 20 47 70 55 90
    > > Ky. 5 6 15 28 45 40
    > > La. 18 22 5 28 35 25
    > > Maine 2 3 3 5 5 5
    > > Md. 33 44 56 225 250 150
    > > Mass. 65 85 87 225 200 250
    > > Mich. 28 37 70 125 125 200
    > > Minn. 6 7 60 70 88 125
    > > Miss. 3 4 8 28 40 20
    > > Mo. 12 16 22 70 50 65
    > > Mont. 1 1 2 5 5 5
    > > Neb. 6 8 24 28 45 45
    > > Nev. 19 24 101 240 125 175 170
    > > N.H. 2 2 2 5 20 15
    > > N.J. 105 135 221 380 430 350 388 490
    > > N.M. 29 37 39 70 63 70
    > > N.Y. 410 540 489 560 540 650 600 1,110
    > > N.C. 20 22 206 360 370 300 350 385
    > > N.D. 1 1 2 5 5 5
    > > Ohio 18 23 40 125 111 115
    > > Okla. 17 21 46 70 63 85
    > > Ore. 27 33 90 125 150 170
    > > Pa. 27 37 49 125 150 140
    > > R.I. 9 12 16 28 30 35
    > > S.C. 4 5 36 28 55 75
    > > S.D. 1 1 2 5 5 5
    > > Tenn. 10 13 46 125 125 100
    > > Texas 530 700 1,041 1,360 1,640 1,400 1,500 1,740
    > > Utah 13 15 65 70 83 125
    > > Vt. 2 3 2 5 5 5
    > > Va. 42 55 103 225 275 205
    > > Wash. 42 52 136 280 225 225 255
    > > W.V. 2 2 2 5 5 5
    > > Wis. 6 8 41 125 93 90
    > > Wyo. 1 2 2 5 5 5
    > > Total 3,865 4,947 7,013 10,760 11,550 10,080 10,803 13,175

    >
    > > Amnesty proposals for granting legal residence to these illegal aliens
    > > take various forms, and the number of proposed beneficiaries vary
    > > depending on the proposal. For example, in the 1986 general amnesty,
    > > illegal aliens other than those in agricultural work were eligible
    > > only if they had been living in the United States for four years
    > > (since 1982). Thus, the nearly three million beneficiaries did not
    > > include illegal aliens who had arrived during the previous four years
    > > (unless they presented fraudulent evidence of having arrived earlier,
    > > as many of them did).

    >
    > > Although the number of illegal aliens in the country can only be
    > > estimated, and it is unclear what form currently proposed amnesty
    > > provisions might take, it is safe from the above analysis to conclude
    > > that any new amnesty would likely involve as many as four times as
    > > many illegal aliens as benefited from the 1986 amnesty.

    >
    > > Updated 10/2007

    >
    > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­-----

    >
    > > [1] "Feds Undercount Illegal Aliens," NewsMax.com, (March 16, 2001).
    > > [2] Robert Justich and Betty Ng, "The Underground Labor Force is
    > > Rising to the Surface," Bear Sterns, January 3, 2005.
    > > [3] Barlett, Donald and James Steele, "Who Left the Door Open?," TIME
    > > Magazine, September 12, 2004.
    > > [4] The most recent estimates by DHS only show the estimate for the 10
    > > states with the largest illegal alien population
    > > [5] Pew Hispanic Center estimates of the illegal immigrant population
    > > are stated as a range, e.g., California 2.5 million to 2.75 million.
    > > The chart shows the mid-point of the estimate, e.g. California 2.625
    > > million
    > > _________________________________

    >
    > Failure to secure our border and to remove illegal aliens has put the
    > future of the continent in jeopardy.
    > Following Bush's twisted approval of illegal's Senator Clinton
    > promises more of the same i.e., her
    > failure to even discuss the problem during last night's debate.
    >
    > greg- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    those bastards
    qwest602000, Oct 31, 2007
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  3. Get real, it is about hate, and it is coming from someone who's
    ancestors likely came to America under conditions that would have made them
    illegal today. They don't have a clue, but they do have a lot of irrational
    hate and fear.

    "greg3347" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, gringogirl <> wrote:
    >> This is not about race, it's about security and the financial well-
    >> being of the United States.

    --
    Joseph Meehan

    Dia 's Muire duit
    Joseph Meehan, Oct 31, 2007
    #3
  4. greg3347

    Allen Guest

    Re: Illegal alien population increases by %88 percent in US since2000

    Joseph Meehan wrote:
    > Get real, it is about hate, and it is coming from someone who's
    > ancestors likely came to America under conditions that would have made
    > them illegal today. They don't have a clue, but they do have a lot of
    > irrational hate and fear.
    >
    > "greg3347" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, gringogirl <> wrote:
    >>> This is not about race, it's about security and the financial well-
    >>> being of the United States.

    Thank you, John. My ancestors started arriving here in the 1630s, and
    they were certainly illegal immigrants as far as the people who had been
    here for more centuries than anyone can be sure of of. My ancestors,
    though, were not quite as considerate as the recent immigrants; they
    just killed the ones who were here first. I might add that the
    immigrants that so many are concerned about have racial ties to those my
    ancestors killed. I would be in favor of decent immigration laws that
    would allow anyone without a criminal record to come here, work, and go
    through the citizenship process, but PLEASE! no walls, no fences, no
    prosecution of humanitarians to provide food, water and medical care to
    those in trouble in the desert Southwest. I would much rather import
    people than import so many necessities for life from other countries.
    Our great seal says "E Pluribus Unum", not "Mine, All Mine". I'm sure
    this post will put me in dozens of killfiles; no need to tell me, as I
    expect it.

    Allen
    Allen, Oct 31, 2007
    #4
  5. Re: Illegal alien population increases by %88 percent in US since2000

    Allen wrote:
    > Joseph Meehan wrote:
    >> Get real, it is about hate, and it is coming from someone who's
    >> ancestors likely came to America under conditions that would have made
    >> them illegal today. They don't have a clue, but they do have a lot of
    >> irrational hate and fear.
    >>
    >> "greg3347" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, gringogirl <> wrote:
    >>>> This is not about race, it's about security and the financial well-
    >>>> being of the United States.

    > Thank you, John. My ancestors started arriving here in the 1630s, and
    > they were certainly illegal immigrants as far as the people who had been
    > here for more centuries than anyone can be sure of of. My ancestors,
    > though, were not quite as considerate as the recent immigrants; they
    > just killed the ones who were here first. I might add that the
    > immigrants that so many are concerned about have racial ties to those my
    > ancestors killed. I would be in favor of decent immigration laws that
    > would allow anyone without a criminal record to come here, work, and go
    > through the citizenship process, but PLEASE! no walls, no fences, no
    > prosecution of humanitarians to provide food, water and medical care to
    > those in trouble in the desert Southwest. I would much rather import
    > people than import so many necessities for life from other countries.
    > Our great seal says "E Pluribus Unum", not "Mine, All Mine". I'm sure
    > this post will put me in dozens of killfiles; no need to tell me, as I
    > expect it.
    >
    > Allen
    John McWilliams, Oct 31, 2007
    #5
  6. greg3347

    Jim Nason Guest

    On 2007-10-31 11:47:10 -0400, Allen <> said:

    > Joseph Meehan wrote:
    >> Get real, it is about hate, and it is coming from someone who's
    >> ancestors likely came to America under conditions that would have made
    >> them illegal today. They don't have a clue, but they do have a lot of
    >> irrational hate and fear.
    >>
    >> "greg3347" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, gringogirl <> wrote:
    >>>> This is not about race, it's about security and the financial well-
    >>>> being of the United States.

    > Thank you, John. My ancestors started arriving here in the 1630s, and
    > they were certainly illegal immigrants as far as the people who had
    > been here for more centuries than anyone can be sure of of. My
    > ancestors, though, were not quite as considerate as the recent
    > immigrants; they just killed the ones who were here first. I might add
    > that the immigrants that so many are concerned about have racial ties
    > to those my ancestors killed. I would be in favor of decent immigration
    > laws that would allow anyone without a criminal record to come here,
    > work, and go through the citizenship process, but PLEASE! no walls, no
    > fences, no prosecution of humanitarians to provide food, water and
    > medical care to those in trouble in the desert Southwest. I would much
    > rather import people than import so many necessities for life from
    > other countries. Our great seal says "E Pluribus Unum", not "Mine, All
    > Mine". I'm sure this post will put me in dozens of killfiles; no need
    > to tell me, as I expect it.
    >
    > Allen


    well said Allen.


    --
    jen ... not.. home...//// yahoo... com
    Jim Nason, Nov 17, 2007
    #6
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