Re: Hiding Vista volumes from XP (volsnap.sys issue revisited)

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by R. C. White, Feb 26, 2008.

  1. R. C. White

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Colin.

    Great job! At least, I think so. But I haven't really absorbed the whole
    "Greypaper" - and this whole thread - yet because I don't really have that
    issue. I've used System Restore only a few times, and I seldom boot into
    WinXP anymore.

    But right there in Setup One is one of my pet peeves. :>(

    <paste>
    In other words, I boot into XP Pro x86 to rename its system volume, and then
    XP Pro x64 to name its system volume, etc.
    Example: for my quad-boot AMD test box I name the system volumes as follows:
    "XP Pro x86", "XP Pro x6", "Vista x86", "Vista x64".
    </paste>

    I agree wholeheartedly with your advice to rename those volumes! But those
    are the BOOT volumes, not the SYSTEM volumes. Remember, those terms are
    counterintuitive, based on legacy issues that go back at least 20 years. As
    many authors have pointed out, we BOOT from the SYSTEM partition and keep
    the operating SYSTEM files in the BOOT volume.

    When this comes up in these newsgroups, I usually refer the poster to KB
    article 314470:
    Definitions for system volume and boot volume
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314470/EN-US/

    As that article says, "There is only one system volume. However, there is
    one boot volume for each operating system in a multiboot system." If you
    just change "system volume" to "boot volume" each time it occurs in that
    paragraph, I won't quibble any more. ;^}

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

    "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP and
    > Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    > multi-booting
    > Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if I
    > just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to resolve
    > the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    > notes
    > in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    > Pro
    > x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for more
    > than just dual-booting.
    >
    > The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the Word
    > Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    > Office,
    > etc.
    >
    > Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    > first", its all in the doc already.
    >
    > Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    > reposting,
    > etc.
    >
    > OK, all you flamers, let me have it.
     
    R. C. White, Feb 26, 2008
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  2. R. C. White

    R. C. White Guest

    Whoops!

    > But right there in Setup One is one of my pet peeves. :>(


    Make that Step One. (It's really embarrassing to goof up while
    criticizing.)

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

    "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi, Colin.
    >
    > Great job! At least, I think so. But I haven't really absorbed the whole
    > "Greypaper" - and this whole thread - yet because I don't really have that
    > issue. I've used System Restore only a few times, and I seldom boot into
    > WinXP anymore.
    >
    > But right there in Setup One is one of my pet peeves. :>(

    <SNIP>
     
    R. C. White, Feb 26, 2008
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  3. LOL. Thanks for the correction.

    "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Whoops!
    >
    >> But right there in Setup One is one of my pet peeves. :>(

    >
    > Make that Step One. (It's really embarrassing to goof up while
    > criticizing.)
    >
    > RC
    > --
    > R. C. White, CPA
    > San Marcos, TX
    >
    > Microsoft Windows MVP
    > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
    >
    > "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Hi, Colin.
    >>
    >> Great job! At least, I think so. But I haven't really absorbed the
    >> whole "Greypaper" - and this whole thread - yet because I don't really
    >> have that issue. I've used System Restore only a few times, and I seldom
    >> boot into WinXP anymore.
    >>
    >> But right there in Setup One is one of my pet peeves. :>(

    > <SNIP>
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Feb 26, 2008
    #3
  4. Now that I think of it, I really don't care about boot or system. I could
    just as easily have said "any volume with Vista VSS files on it." After
    all, a CompletePC Backup user would not keep the images on any of the system
    volumes but would save them to another volume altogether. That volume would
    need to be hidden from XP as well. I haven't gone into that detail in the
    GP because the user needs to work that one out based on his backup plan.

    "R. C. White" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi, Colin.
    >
    > Great job! At least, I think so. But I haven't really absorbed the whole
    > "Greypaper" - and this whole thread - yet because I don't really have that
    > issue. I've used System Restore only a few times, and I seldom boot into
    > WinXP anymore.
    >
    > But right there in Setup One is one of my pet peeves. :>(
    >
    > <paste>
    > In other words, I boot into XP Pro x86 to rename its system volume, and
    > then XP Pro x64 to name its system volume, etc.
    > Example: for my quad-boot AMD test box I name the system volumes as
    > follows:
    > "XP Pro x86", "XP Pro x6", "Vista x86", "Vista x64".
    > </paste>
    >
    > I agree wholeheartedly with your advice to rename those volumes! But
    > those are the BOOT volumes, not the SYSTEM volumes. Remember, those terms
    > are counterintuitive, based on legacy issues that go back at least 20
    > years. As many authors have pointed out, we BOOT from the SYSTEM
    > partition and keep the operating SYSTEM files in the BOOT volume.
    >
    > When this comes up in these newsgroups, I usually refer the poster to KB
    > article 314470:
    > Definitions for system volume and boot volume
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314470/EN-US/
    >
    > As that article says, "There is only one system volume. However, there is
    > one boot volume for each operating system in a multiboot system." If you
    > just change "system volume" to "boot volume" each time it occurs in that
    > paragraph, I won't quibble any more. ;^}
    >
    > RC
    > --
    > R. C. White, CPA
    > San Marcos, TX
    >
    > Microsoft Windows MVP
    > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
    >
    > "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP and
    >> Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    >> multi-booting
    >> Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if I
    >> just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to resolve
    >> the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    >> notes
    >> in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    >> Pro
    >> x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for more
    >> than just dual-booting.
    >>
    >> The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the Word
    >> Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    >> Office,
    >> etc.
    >>
    >> Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    >> first", its all in the doc already.
    >>
    >> Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    >> reposting,
    >> etc.
    >>
    >> OK, all you flamers, let me have it.

    >
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Feb 26, 2008
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