Re: Hiding Vista volumes from XP (volsnap.sys issue revisited)

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by Lance Le Claire, Feb 24, 2008.

  1. I congratulate you on your hard work (i really do) but man it's really
    complicated for nothing if you have a bios boot option. Choosing from one
    screen or another isn't much different.

    --
    Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    www.zardoc.com
    XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres

    "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP and
    > Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    > multi-booting
    > Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if I
    > just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to resolve
    > the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    > notes
    > in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    > Pro
    > x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for more
    > than just dual-booting.
    >
    > The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the Word
    > Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    > Office,
    > etc.
    >
    > Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    > first", its all in the doc already.
    >
    > Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    > reposting,
    > etc.
    >
    > OK, all you flamers, let me have it.
    >
     
    Lance Le Claire, Feb 24, 2008
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  2. Lance Le Claire

    John Barnes Guest

    The BIOS boot option does not hide the drive.

    "Lance Le Claire" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I congratulate you on your hard work (i really do) but man it's really
    >complicated for nothing if you have a bios boot option. Choosing from one
    >screen or another isn't much different.
    >
    > --
    > Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    > www.zardoc.com
    > XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres
    >
    > "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP and
    >> Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    >> multi-booting
    >> Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if I
    >> just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to resolve
    >> the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    >> notes
    >> in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    >> Pro
    >> x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for more
    >> than just dual-booting.
    >>
    >> The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the Word
    >> Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    >> Office,
    >> etc.
    >>
    >> Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    >> first", its all in the doc already.
    >>
    >> Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    >> reposting,
    >> etc.
    >>
    >> OK, all you flamers, let me have it.
    >>

    >
     
    John Barnes, Feb 24, 2008
    #2
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  3. Well it means that you can use a standard boot menu with as few as just one
    new registry key and thereafter not be concerned about dual-booting any more
    than you would any other two Windows operating systems. It means you don't
    have to enter the BIOS each time you want to change operating systems.

    It only looks complicated if you are new to the registry or unclear about
    the issue. Someone well experienced in such things needs only the specifics
    of the registry key and would not need any of the rest of it.

    Something like "Create
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\MountedDevices\Offline\DosDevices\D: ((DWORD),
    where "D:" is the Vista drive letter) with a value of 1 and then reboot"
    gets the job done. That would intimidate many so I spelled it all out. A
    kind of "Fixing the volsnap.sys issue for Dummies."

    "Lance Le Claire" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I congratulate you on your hard work (i really do) but man it's really
    >complicated for nothing if you have a bios boot option. Choosing from one
    >screen or another isn't much different.
    >
    > --
    > Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    > www.zardoc.com
    > XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres
    >
    > "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP and
    >> Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    >> multi-booting
    >> Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if I
    >> just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to resolve
    >> the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    >> notes
    >> in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    >> Pro
    >> x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for more
    >> than just dual-booting.
    >>
    >> The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the Word
    >> Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    >> Office,
    >> etc.
    >>
    >> Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    >> first", its all in the doc already.
    >>
    >> Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    >> reposting,
    >> etc.
    >>
    >> OK, all you flamers, let me have it.
    >>

    >
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Feb 24, 2008
    #3
  4. Colin,

    I understand what you are saying but you don't have to enter the bios for
    dual boot with new motherboards.

    A bios boot menu is the same as a multiboot menu with a microsoft O/S. You
    press one key and you have a boot menu.

    If you change operating systems often your choice is good but I would use
    BootPro to solve that.

    Why not use VistabootPro instead??
    --
    Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    www.zardoc.com
    XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres

    "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Well it means that you can use a standard boot menu with as few as just
    > one new registry key and thereafter not be concerned about dual-booting
    > any more than you would any other two Windows operating systems. It means
    > you don't have to enter the BIOS each time you want to change operating
    > systems.
    >
    > It only looks complicated if you are new to the registry or unclear about
    > the issue. Someone well experienced in such things needs only the
    > specifics of the registry key and would not need any of the rest of it.
    >
    > Something like "Create
    > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\MountedDevices\Offline\DosDevices\D: ((DWORD),
    > where "D:" is the Vista drive letter) with a value of 1 and then reboot"
    > gets the job done. That would intimidate many so I spelled it all out. A
    > kind of "Fixing the volsnap.sys issue for Dummies."
    >
    > "Lance Le Claire" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>I congratulate you on your hard work (i really do) but man it's really
    >>complicated for nothing if you have a bios boot option. Choosing from one
    >>screen or another isn't much different.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    >> www.zardoc.com
    >> XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres
    >>
    >> "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP
    >>> and
    >>> Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    >>> multi-booting
    >>> Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if
    >>> I
    >>> just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to
    >>> resolve
    >>> the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    >>> notes
    >>> in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    >>> Pro
    >>> x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for
    >>> more
    >>> than just dual-booting.
    >>>
    >>> The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the Word
    >>> Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    >>> Office,
    >>> etc.
    >>>
    >>> Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    >>> first", its all in the doc already.
    >>>
    >>> Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    >>> reposting,
    >>> etc.
    >>>
    >>> OK, all you flamers, let me have it.
    >>>

    >>

    >
     
    Lance Le Claire, Feb 25, 2008
    #4
  5. VistaBoot Pro cannot prevent the volsnap.sys issue. The registry entry is
    simple. No matter the boot method, if XP can see the Vista drive it will
    wipe out VSS files. It isn't about booting. It is about protecting Vista's
    recovery facilities. You may be following this as a boot issue. It isn't.
    It's about hiding volumes.

    "Lance Le Claire" <> wrote in message
    news:%23$...
    > Colin,
    >
    > I understand what you are saying but you don't have to enter the bios for
    > dual boot with new motherboards.
    >
    > A bios boot menu is the same as a multiboot menu with a microsoft O/S. You
    > press one key and you have a boot menu.
    >
    > If you change operating systems often your choice is good but I would use
    > BootPro to solve that.
    >
    > Why not use VistabootPro instead??
    > --
    > Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    > www.zardoc.com
    > XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres
    >
    > "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Well it means that you can use a standard boot menu with as few as just
    >> one new registry key and thereafter not be concerned about dual-booting
    >> any more than you would any other two Windows operating systems. It
    >> means you don't have to enter the BIOS each time you want to change
    >> operating systems.
    >>
    >> It only looks complicated if you are new to the registry or unclear about
    >> the issue. Someone well experienced in such things needs only the
    >> specifics of the registry key and would not need any of the rest of it.
    >>
    >> Something like "Create
    >> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\MountedDevices\Offline\DosDevices\D: ((DWORD),
    >> where "D:" is the Vista drive letter) with a value of 1 and then reboot"
    >> gets the job done. That would intimidate many so I spelled it all out.
    >> A kind of "Fixing the volsnap.sys issue for Dummies."
    >>
    >> "Lance Le Claire" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>>I congratulate you on your hard work (i really do) but man it's really
    >>>complicated for nothing if you have a bios boot option. Choosing from one
    >>>screen or another isn't much different.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    >>> www.zardoc.com
    >>> XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres
    >>>
    >>> "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP
    >>>> and
    >>>> Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    >>>> multi-booting
    >>>> Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if
    >>>> I
    >>>> just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to
    >>>> resolve
    >>>> the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    >>>> notes
    >>>> in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    >>>> Pro
    >>>> x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for
    >>>> more
    >>>> than just dual-booting.
    >>>>
    >>>> The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the
    >>>> Word
    >>>> Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    >>>> Office,
    >>>> etc.
    >>>>
    >>>> Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    >>>> first", its all in the doc already.
    >>>>
    >>>> Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    >>>> reposting,
    >>>> etc.
    >>>>
    >>>> OK, all you flamers, let me have it.
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>

    >
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Feb 25, 2008
    #5
  6. No unplugging it before you install Vista does though.
    --
    Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    www.zardoc.com
    XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres

    "John Barnes" <> wrote in message
    news:%...
    > The BIOS boot option does not hide the drive.
    >
    > "Lance Le Claire" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>I congratulate you on your hard work (i really do) but man it's really
    >>complicated for nothing if you have a bios boot option. Choosing from one
    >>screen or another isn't much different.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    >> www.zardoc.com
    >> XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres
    >>
    >> "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP
    >>> and
    >>> Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    >>> multi-booting
    >>> Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if
    >>> I
    >>> just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to
    >>> resolve
    >>> the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    >>> notes
    >>> in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    >>> Pro
    >>> x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for
    >>> more
    >>> than just dual-booting.
    >>>
    >>> The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the Word
    >>> Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    >>> Office,
    >>> etc.
    >>>
    >>> Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    >>> first", its all in the doc already.
    >>>
    >>> Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    >>> reposting,
    >>> etc.
    >>>
    >>> OK, all you flamers, let me have it.
    >>>

    >>

    >
     
    Lance Le Claire, Feb 25, 2008
    #6
  7. Lance Le Claire

    John Barnes Guest

    As soon as you plug it back in it is visible again unless the hidden bit is
    set using the registry entry Colin mentions or using a third party partition
    manager to hide it. Scrambling it with bitlocker is another way of hiding,
    but otherwise xp sees the Vista drive and you have the vss problem.

    "Lance Le Claire" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > No unplugging it before you install Vista does though.
    > --
    > Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    > www.zardoc.com
    > XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres
    >
    > "John Barnes" <> wrote in message
    > news:%...
    >> The BIOS boot option does not hide the drive.
    >>
    >> "Lance Le Claire" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>>I congratulate you on your hard work (i really do) but man it's really
    >>>complicated for nothing if you have a bios boot option. Choosing from one
    >>>screen or another isn't much different.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    >>> www.zardoc.com
    >>> XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres
    >>>
    >>> "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP
    >>>> and
    >>>> Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    >>>> multi-booting
    >>>> Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if
    >>>> I
    >>>> just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to
    >>>> resolve
    >>>> the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    >>>> notes
    >>>> in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    >>>> Pro
    >>>> x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for
    >>>> more
    >>>> than just dual-booting.
    >>>>
    >>>> The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the
    >>>> Word
    >>>> Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    >>>> Office,
    >>>> etc.
    >>>>
    >>>> Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    >>>> first", its all in the doc already.
    >>>>
    >>>> Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    >>>> reposting,
    >>>> etc.
    >>>>
    >>>> OK, all you flamers, let me have it.
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>

    >
     
    John Barnes, Feb 25, 2008
    #7
  8. The funniest thing is that we are discussing this on 2 threads. LOL

    Colin, I thought that since you seem to be quite savvy with O/S talk and
    since I am French and don't always find the right words, I thought that
    saying a reg hack would have been understood by you because I often see this
    type of term used.

    I meant BOOTMGR

    So let's call it a registry modification.

    Now, let's make this clear.

    1.. System is powered on
    2.. The CMOS loads the BIOS and then runs POST
    3.. Looks for the MBR on the bootable device
    4.. Through the MBR the boot sector is located and the BOOTMGR is loaded
    5.. BOOTMGR looks for active partition
    6.. BOOTMGR reads the BCD file from the \boot directory on the active
    partition
    7.. The BCD (boot configuration database) contains various configuration
    parameters( this information was previously stored in the boot.ini)
    8.. When windows vista is selected, BOOTMGR transfer control to the
    Windows Loader (winload.exe) or winresume.exe in case the system was
    hibernated.
    9.. Winloader loads drivers that are set to start at boot and then
    transfers the control to the windows kernel.
    10.. There is not msgina.dll in windows vista ( the shell draws the login
    screen)
    With XP it was called NTLDR with boot.ini file

    With Vista it's called bootmgr with a Boot Configuration Database. to pay
    with boot configuration, you need to run in admin mode command bcd.exe

    Imagine, if we didn't have have VisatBootPro, imagine were we would be if if
    BCDwas gone!!

    Now Don, the reason you have this issue, is because your XP drive was
    plugged. That is one amongst many reasons that experienced users prefer to
    use bios option than Vista boot manager.

    As you can see from my pic, BCD store only shows Vista, but can't see XP
    because I unplugged the drive when I installed Vista.
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    Now for those who have installed Vista while XP was plugged in and have the
    Volume shadow copy issue and restore points can't be seen,

    Copy this command into notepad. for each drive that you want to change,
    modify the letter of the drive that you wish to be offline. In this case if
    it were J, then E in my reg tweak would be J. This command works for XP and
    Vista.

    In your case Don, I imagine that since you have three drives and two are for
    XP the third drive would be E for your Vista drive (check to make sure in
    XP). The command would be E in this case to fix your issue. If this is the
    case, paste what is between the two lines into notepad and save as
    Offline.txt press enter. Then rename the .TXT extension to .REG and click
    OK. Now double click on the reg file and you have just created a hidden
    Vista E drive from XP.

    BTW Clint, you did some nice work in your article and is is very nice. Just
    one thing, as you can see the reg key has quotes and a back slashes before
    and after DosDevices. Double slash if you create an auto Reg tweak and
    single slash if you modify directly from the registry (don't forget to leave
    the quotes)
    ___________________________________________________________________________________
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\MountedDevices\Offline]
    "\\DosDevices\\E:"=dword:00000001
    ___________________________________________________________________________________

    --
    Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    www.zardoc.com
    XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres


    "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Well it means that you can use a standard boot menu with as few as just
    > one new registry key and thereafter not be concerned about dual-booting
    > any more than you would any other two Windows operating systems. It means
    > you don't have to enter the BIOS each time you want to change operating
    > systems.
    >
    > It only looks complicated if you are new to the registry or unclear about
    > the issue. Someone well experienced in such things needs only the
    > specifics of the registry key and would not need any of the rest of it.
    >
    > Something like "Create
    > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\MountedDevices\Offline\DosDevices\D: ((DWORD),
    > where "D:" is the Vista drive letter) with a value of 1 and then reboot"
    > gets the job done. That would intimidate many so I spelled it all out. A
    > kind of "Fixing the volsnap.sys issue for Dummies."
    >
    > "Lance Le Claire" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>I congratulate you on your hard work (i really do) but man it's really
    >>complicated for nothing if you have a bios boot option. Choosing from one
    >>screen or another isn't much different.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Lance Frca {497083/1008563} MVP Shell/User
    >> www.zardoc.com
    >> XP-Vista Trucs et Astuces et autres
    >>
    >> "Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> There is still lots of confusion about the incompatibility between XP
    >>> and
    >>> Vista that leads to the loss of Vista's recovery options when
    >>> multi-booting
    >>> Vista and XP. I have prepared a Greypaper (it would be a whitepaper if
    >>> I
    >>> just knew what I was doing :)) for those interested or needing to
    >>> resolve
    >>> the problem on their own computers. The attachment is based on my own
    >>> notes
    >>> in securing my test box from this problem. I multi-boot XP Pro x86, XP
    >>> Pro
    >>> x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 so the example in the Greypaper is for
    >>> more
    >>> than just dual-booting.
    >>>
    >>> The attachment is in Word .doc format so any edition of Word or the Word
    >>> Viewer (free download from Office Downloads) will do as well as Open
    >>> Office,
    >>> etc.
    >>>
    >>> Before you net-police start posting replies about "back up everything
    >>> first", its all in the doc already.
    >>>
    >>> Feel free to use the attachment as you want, including modifying,
    >>> reposting,
    >>> etc.
    >>>
    >>> OK, all you flamers, let me have it.
    >>>

    >>

    >
     
    Lance Le Claire, Feb 25, 2008
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