Re: Evolution 1.4.3 (bug-fix release) now available.

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Steve, Jul 15, 2003.

  1. Steve

    Steve Guest

    Lennier allegedly said:

    > I also took the opportunity to get the spelling checker to work, as I
    > didn't download that part last time.
    >
    > It seems to be OK.
    >
    > Lennier


    How did you install it?

    ..deb?
    ..rpm?
    ..tar.gz?

    --
    Steve
    --
    "Naturally, the common people don't want war;
    neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
    nor for that matter in Germany.
    That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
    of the country who determine the policy and
    it is always a simple matter to drag the people
    along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
    dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
    dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
    always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
    That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
    they are being attacked and denounce the
    pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
    the country to danger. It works the same way
    in any country."
    - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall
     
    Steve, Jul 15, 2003
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  2. Steve

    Chris Guest

    Steve wrote:

    > Lennier allegedly said:
    >
    >> I also took the opportunity to get the spelling checker to work, as I
    >> didn't download that part last time.
    >>
    >> It seems to be OK.
    >>
    >> Lennier

    >
    > How did you install it?
    >
    > .deb?
    > .rpm?
    > .tar.gz?
    >


    I install it using Ximian Red-Carpet. It's on the Ximian website.
    http://www.ximian.com/products/redcarpet/

    Chris.
     
    Chris, Jul 15, 2003
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  3. Steve

    mdew Guest

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:17:17 +1200, Steve wrote:

    > Lennier allegedly said:
    >
    >> I also took the opportunity to get the spelling checker to work, as I
    >> didn't download that part last time.
    >>
    >> It seems to be OK.
    >>
    >> Lennier

    >
    > How did you install it?
    >
    > .deb?
    > .rpm?
    > .tar.gz?


    apt-get update
    apt-get install evolution, and it upgraded 1.4.0.

    :)
     
    mdew, Jul 15, 2003
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  4. Steve

    AD. Guest

    mdew wrote:

    >
    > apt-get update
    > apt-get install evolution, and it upgraded 1.4.0.


    Are you sure?

    swap 'install evolution' for 'upgrade',

    or

    'upgraded 1.4.0' for 'installed 1.4.3'

    and I'd believe you ;)

    Cheers
    Anton

    PS I used:

    apt-get update && apt-get -s upgrade
    (peruse list of upgrades...)
    apt-get upgrade

    That way I get to check for things like a mozilla upgrade breaking galeon
    etc.
     
    AD., Jul 15, 2003
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  5. Steve

    Adam Warner Guest

    Hi AD.,

    > mdew wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> apt-get update
    >> apt-get install evolution, and it upgraded 1.4.0.

    >
    > Are you sure?
    >
    > swap 'install evolution' for 'upgrade',
    >
    > or
    >
    > 'upgraded 1.4.0' for 'installed 1.4.3'
    >
    > and I'd believe you ;)


    You should have believed him anyway Anton. It is possible to install the
    latest available version of a program even when an older version is
    installed.

    It's also common to install a package by name when it is pinned.

    Regards,
    Adam
     
    Adam Warner, Jul 16, 2003
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  6. Steve

    Adam Warner Guest

    Hi AD.,

    > Adam Warner wrote:
    >
    >> You should have believed him anyway Anton. It is possible to install the
    >> latest available version of a program even when an older version is
    >> installed.
    >>
    >> It's also common to install a package by name when it is pinned.

    >
    > I bow before the master :) (Apologies to mdew!)
    >
    > Even though my first debian install was back when Slink was stable, I still
    > keep finding out stuff about apt.
    >
    > Maybe I should stop being so lazy and study some docs. Maybe I gravitate
    > towards Debian because I am so lazy!


    Many of my documentation lookups are simply need based. I need to know how
    to do something and I hope someone has already implemented the functionality.
    It's not that you're being so lazy nor studying some docs. You've just
    never needed the functionality.

    I think motivation to remove drudge is a wonderful virtue and it is
    closely related to being lazy. I will spend inordinate amounts of time
    creating a higher level process so I can avoid the boring stuff. I've
    been swamped by the amount of web support I've been providing to some
    non-profit organisations so I've been building a document format to help
    make them self-sufficient: <https://macrology.co.nz/syntext/>

    The goal of the whole project has been to simultaneously automate the
    generation of HTML and PDF documents while maintaining typesetting
    quality. Generating HTML is a well-defined problem. Simultaneously
    generating high-quality PDFs complicates it. I am pleased with the results
    of my LDF format. Here for example I calculate a model and generate the
    resulting graphs all within the document format (manually pasting in
    results and graphs from another application is, after all, drudge--and
    manually fixing up the effects of a mistake is even worse):
    <https://macrology.co.nz/software-adoption.html>

    If you look at the source code you'll find that even the equation markup
    is generated. Take for example this equation:
    <https://macrology.co.nz/software-adoption17x.png>
    It's generated via this command:
    (s2align* (get 'VD0 'source) :equation-split t :range-spacing "[4mm]")

    The "syntext" document format has been created to solve two different
    problems: creating a format that is virtually like plain text and is
    also OK for untrusted third parties to edit. The parser generates an LDF
    document so simultaneous HTML and PDF output is still achieved.

    There are many shoulders of giants I'm standing upon to do all of this.
    And I appreciate them all. I have however observed limitations in the
    current state of the art and I hope one day to have an opportunity to
    implement some of my ideas.

    Now onto "installing" evolution:

    # apt-get upgrade -u
    Reading Package Lists... Done
    Building Dependency Tree... Done
    The following packages have been kept back
    evolution libldap2
    The following packages will be upgraded
    apache2-common apache2-mpm-worker gettext-base gnome-panel gnome-panel-data
    gnome-session gnome-terminal libapr0 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common
    libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libpanel-applet2-0
    13 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
    Need to get 8201kB of archives.
    After unpacking 1335kB of additional disk space will be used.
    Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

    # dpkg -l evolution
    Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
    | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
    |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
    ||/ Name Version Description
    +++-==============-==============-============================================
    hi evolution 1.4.3-1 The groupware suite
    ^
    Evolution is being held, but lets install the upgrade anyway:

    # apt-get install evolution
    Reading Package Lists... Done
    Building Dependency Tree... Done
    Suggested packages:
    gnupg
    Recommended packages:
    gnome-pilot-conduits
    The following held packages will be changed:
    evolution
    1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 14 not upgraded.
    Need to get 9476kB of archives.
    After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
    Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

    > Cheers
    > Anton
    >
    > PS just today I was reminded why I avoid Redhat. Why is that you have use
    > --nodeps so often and hope for the best when installing rpms?


    Ah, you're just softening me up :)

    Regards,
    Adam
     
    Adam Warner, Jul 16, 2003
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  7. Steve

    AD. Guest

    Adam Warner wrote:

    <snip informative demo>

    >> PS just today I was reminded why I avoid Redhat. Why is that you have use
    >> --nodeps so often and hope for the best when installing rpms?

    >
    > Ah, you're just softening me up :)


    Nah, just blowing off some steam*.

    Cheers
    Anton

    *For those interested...

    We have our own J2EE product, and we've been running our inhouse version on
    Woody with JBoss and Sun's JDK (both installed manually).

    Unfortunately the Sun JDK will regularly explode under moderate load,
    apparently there is a bug in a c++ library somewhere. We then tried JRockit
    - much more stable and quicker, but it doesn't release temp files and after
    a week or so will exhaust the systems open files limit.

    So we set up a trial Redhat 8.0 to try and reproduce the problems on a
    'supported' (by the JDKs) distro. But finding and installing versions of
    Apache2 and mod_jk2 that work together was a frustrating exercise in trying
    to satisfy dependencies.

    Redhat seem to be going out of their way to discourage non RHN subscribers.
    Anyway, I'll try a Sarge demo later to see whether that helps.
     
    AD., Jul 17, 2003
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  8. Steve

    Steven H Guest

    blimy - all that to upgrade a program

    and they say linux is ready for the desktop


    --
    ===================================================
    Steven H
     
    Steven H, Jul 17, 2003
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  9. Steve

    lily Guest

    "Steven H" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > blimy - all that to upgrade a program
    >
    > and they say linux is ready for the desktop
    >
    >
    > --
    > ===================================================
    > Steven H


    Beats upgrading Office 97 to Office XP

    To upgrade evolution in Debian its apt-get or click through in synaptic.
    To upgrade outlook, go to shop spend $1000 on new OS and new Office bundle
    Guess theres two sides to everything.
     
    lily, Jul 17, 2003
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  10. Steve

    Porkchop Guest

    On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:26:41 +1200, mdew wrote:

    >
    >> and they say linux is ready for the desktop

    >
    > oh yes, its so hard to do..
    >
    > apt-get update
    > apt-get upgrade


    That only applies to like 5 % of the linux market ...

    The rest have dependacy hell to deal with ...
     
    Porkchop, Jul 18, 2003
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  11. Steve

    lily Guest

    "Porkchop" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:26:41 +1200, mdew wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >> and they say linux is ready for the desktop

    > >
    > > oh yes, its so hard to do..
    > >
    > > apt-get update
    > > apt-get upgrade

    >
    > That only applies to like 5 % of the linux market ...
    >
    > The rest have dependacy hell to deal with ...
    >


    http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org/
     
    lily, Jul 19, 2003
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  12. Steve

    Porkchop Guest

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:03:13 +1200, lily wrote:

    >
    > "Porkchop" <> wrote in message
    > news:p...
    >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:26:41 +1200, mdew wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >> >> and they say linux is ready for the desktop
    >> >
    >> > oh yes, its so hard to do..
    >> >
    >> > apt-get update
    >> > apt-get upgrade

    >>
    >> That only applies to like 5 % of the linux market ...
    >>
    >> The rest have dependacy hell to deal with ...
    >>

    >
    > http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org/



    Redhat dont support the use of APT ....


    you would know this little detail wouldnt you ?



    wouldnt you ?
     
    Porkchop, Jul 19, 2003
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  13. Steve

    Porkchop Guest

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:43:27 +1200, Nicholas Sherlock wrote:



    >> The rest have dependacy hell to deal with ...
    >>

    >
    > Don't the makers of various programs make available precompiled versions for
    > people who honestly don't care if they can recompile from source or not (For
    > changes or optimizations)?
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Nicholas Sherlock




    precompiled binaries are what lennier used ...

    redhats RPM manager is a pain in the ass for dependacys, since redhat
    think APT is crap the situation is hardly likely to change.

    Redhat in no way support you in using APT.

    Lenniers --nodeps switch could have just as easy borked his system for
    him.

    What irks me is that the linux advocates seem to mumble and avoid this
    real issue with the RPM package manager.


    ... big bloody deal that Debian users dont have this crap
    problem to deal with. The other 85 % of linux users do have this
    dependacy rubbish to deal with.



    If redhat fixed this issue like debian have then you could truly say Linux
    could be used by any windows user.


    cheers ..
     
    Porkchop, Jul 19, 2003
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  14. Steve

    lily Guest

    "Porkchop" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:03:13 +1200, lily wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > "Porkchop" <> wrote in message
    > > news:p...
    > >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:26:41 +1200, mdew wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >> and they say linux is ready for the desktop
    > >> >
    > >> > oh yes, its so hard to do..
    > >> >
    > >> > apt-get update
    > >> > apt-get upgrade
    > >>
    > >> That only applies to like 5 % of the linux market ...
    > >>
    > >> The rest have dependacy hell to deal with ...
    > >>

    > >
    > > http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org/

    >
    >
    > Redhat dont support the use of APT ....
    >
    >
    > you would know this little detail wouldnt you ?
    >
    >
    >
    > wouldnt you ?


    Redhat don't support anything, even rpm
    http://www.rpm.org/
    "This is free software" etc
    The developers support their particular project

    You have the following options
    Find a binary package compiled for your distribution
    Compile a binary package for your distribution
    apt just manages a repository within a distribution.
    The dependencies are managed by the package maintainers.
    The good thing about debian is the number and spread of interest of the
    mintainers hence the range of tested precompiled binaries.
     
    lily, Jul 20, 2003
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  15. Steve

    lily Guest

    "Lennier" <> wrote in message
    news:pan.2003.07.23.12.19.34.413099@TRACKER...
    > On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:03:13 +1200, Steven H wrote:
    >
    > >> Linux should be used by a Linux user - not by someone as dull as a
    > >> Windows user.

    > >
    > > so what your saying is that your linux penis is bigger than a windows
    > > penis

    >
    > I am pleased to see that there are people out there who think they can
    > tell me what I am saying.
    >
    > Altho', you used the wrong "your" - it should have been "you're".
    >
    > Lennier
    >


    You _are_ penis ?
    ROTFL !
     
    lily, Jul 23, 2003
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  16. Steve

    Bret Guest

    On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:19:34 +1200, Lennier
    <> wrote:

    >On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:03:13 +1200, Steven H wrote:
    >
    >>> Linux should be used by a Linux user - not by someone as dull as a
    >>> Windows user.

    >>
    >> so what your saying is that your linux penis is bigger than a windows
    >> penis

    >
    >I am pleased to see that there are people out there who think they can
    >tell me what I am saying.
    >
    >Altho', you used the wrong "your" - it should have been "you're".
    >

    You are making an assumption, perhaps he meant your "saying" as in
    your catch-phrase.Reread the post with a sympathetic ear, as you have
    been told before.I think the OP will agree with my analysis ;)
     
    Bret, Jul 24, 2003
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  17. Steve

    Lennier Guest

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:26:01 +1200, Porkchop wrote:

    > Redhat dont support the use of APT ....


    Not yet it doesn't.

    However, APT is such an excellent tool that I would not be surprised to
    see it implemented as standard before too long.

    Lennier

    --
    I specifically DENY Xtra, and Telecom NZ Ltd, and all other subsidiaries
    of Telecom NZ Ltd, the right to use the contents of this digital
    communication for any purpose whatsoever, whether in whole or in part -
    regardless of how it is stored or transmitted through Xtra's network.
     
    Lennier, Nov 21, 2003
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  18. Steve

    Lennier Guest

    On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:03:13 +1200, Steven H wrote:

    >> Linux should be used by a Linux user - not by someone as dull as a
    >> Windows user.

    >
    > so what your saying is that your linux penis is bigger than a windows
    > penis


    I am pleased to see that there are people out there who think they can
    tell me what I am saying.

    Altho', you used the wrong "your" - it should have been "you're".

    Lennier

    --
    I specifically DENY Xtra, and Telecom NZ Ltd, and all other subsidiaries
    of Telecom NZ Ltd, the right to use the contents of this digital
    communication for any purpose whatsoever, whether in whole or in part -
    regardless of how it is stored or transmitted through Xtra's network.
     
    Lennier, Nov 21, 2003
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  19. Steve

    Lennier Guest

    On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:46:24 +1200, Porkchop wrote:

    > Lenniers --nodeps switch could have just as easy borked his system for
    > him.


    No - because I was upgrading packages which depended on each other - I was
    upgrading all of them, and RPM was refusing to -e or -U any one of them by
    itself.

    So I removed them without regard to their dependencies, and then replaced
    them with the newer versions.

    It was much easier that way than any other way I tried.

    But now that I've got the use of APT...

    Lennier

    --
    I specifically DENY Xtra, and Telecom NZ Ltd, and all other subsidiaries
    of Telecom NZ Ltd, the right to use the contents of this digital
    communication for any purpose whatsoever, whether in whole or in part -
    regardless of how it is stored or transmitted through Xtra's network.
     
    Lennier, Nov 21, 2003
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  20. Steve

    Bret Guest

    On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:51:16 +1300, "Max Burke" <mlvburke@%$%#@.nz>
    wrote:

    >>> so what your saying is that your linux penis is bigger than a windows
    >>> penis


    <Snip>

    >> Altho', you used the wrong "your" - it should have been "you're".

    >
    >No it shouldn't......


    Nice try Max but you left out an "is" ie: so what your saying is, is
    that your linux penis is bigger than a windows
    penis.
     
    Bret, Nov 21, 2003
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