Re: an excellent read from the ACLU

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Robert Coe, Sep 15, 2011.

  1. Robert Coe

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:58:30 +1200, Eric Stevens <>
    wrote:
    : On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:59:52 -0700, Savageduck
    : <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    :
    : >On 2011-09-13 09:22:38 -0700, Alfred Molon <> said:
    : >
    : >> In article <>, Bowser
    : >> says...
    : >>
    : >>> http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rights-photographers
    : >>
    : >> That is valid in the USA. How about other countries?
    : >
    : >Yup!
    : >
    : >The UK without a Constitution remains confused. All UK photographers
    : >seem to believe they have the right to take photographs anywhere in/on
    : >public property. However they seem least able to be consistent when it
    : >comes to enforcement by authorities, official and/or rent-a-cops.
    : >
    : >As for the rest of Europe I have not heard of, or read any recent
    : >harassment of photographers. I understand there are issues regarding
    : >use of Eiffel Tower images, but I doubt there is any restriction on the
    : >hobbyist photographer/tourist at that site.
    :
    : The objections to photographing the Eiffel tower are based on
    : copyright.

    How so?? Are you saying that someone has a copyright on all pictures taken of
    the Eiffel Tower? I hope nothing like that is even possible in the U.S. But
    what am I saying? I'm sure there are many building interiors and private parks
    in the U.S. where it's true. :^|

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 15, 2011
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  2. Robert Coe

    Pete A Guest

    On 2011-09-26 01:40:39 +0100, Ryan McGinnis said:

    > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, Pete A wrote:
    >
    >>> I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
    >>> copyright permission for most any American city with modern
    >>> architecture visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern
    >>> European cities, and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad
    >>> needs a real fancy piece of modern architecture to work.

    >>
    >> Yep, hope this disease doesn't spread to the UK. Some act as if it has.

    >
    > It's just as valid an issue in the UK as it is in the U.S. Which is,
    > to say, no, you don't need any kind of release to show modern
    > architecture or cities in a commercial -- not legally, anyhow. But
    > agencies know that even frivilous lawsuits are extremely expensive to
    > defend against, so as a matter of practice they require their
    > photographers / videographers to not feature any one unreleased
    > building too prominently. The UK agencies are just the same.


    Thanks for the explanation, Ryan.
     
    Pete A, Sep 26, 2011
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  3. Robert Coe

    Pete A Guest

    On 2011-09-25 23:14:44 +0100, Savageduck said:

    > On 2011-09-25 13:06:06 -0700, Pete A said:
    >
    >> On 2011-09-25 20:49:24 +0100, Paul Furman said:
    >>
    >>> I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
    >>> copyright permission for most any American city with modern
    >>> architecture visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern
    >>> European cities, and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad
    >>> needs a real fancy piece of modern architecture to work.

    >>
    >> Yep, hope this disease doesn't spread to the UK. Some act as if it has.

    >
    > As some of you know I am quite familiar with South Africa with quite a
    > few friends there and a lot of travel there, and they are going through
    > a boom in ad production. I have seen many TV ads for various US beers,
    > auto companies, and various other products shot in and around Cape
    > Town. The production costs are low than almost anywhere else. There is
    > a great exchange rate against the Rand for the Dollar, Euro, and Pound.
    > So why shoot in Miami when you can use Sea Point in Cape Town, or Camps
    > Bay a few miles around the coast with a beach front road lined with
    > palm trees, or a truly glamorous spot such as Clifton. A quick look at
    > some of the Google images of that beach might remind you of an ad made
    > at one end or the other standing in for a tropical isle in a beer ad.
    > Think of Coors Lite.
    > < http://tinyurl.com/4x2ckq7 >
    >
    > The scenes with boulder strewn beaches, country homes, modern
    > apartments, generic cityscapes, etc could at first glimpse be thought
    > to be anywhere. They could be in any North American or European city.
    > They could be on any Caribbean or tropical island beach, but there are
    > definite clues that anybody familiar with the area would recognizes as
    > being somewhere on the Cape Peninsula.
    > I have seen ads for VW, Lexus, BMW, Chrysler, Jeep and some others all
    > made there. One of the Lexus brochures for 2010/2011 had the entire
    > brochure filled with shots of the car on Cape Town beaches and roads.
    > Coors, Miller, and Bud Lite have ads shot on some of the same Cape Town
    > beaches.
    > Cialis has one of its ads of the two protagonists in bathtubs
    > overlooking the boulder studded scenery of another.
    >
    > The most recent is the Carls Jr "Miss Turkey" Turkey Burger ad. Here
    > is their behind the scenes video. In this ad the tell is the shot of
    > the mountains in the background beyond the skyline.
    > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfN3WawRy8g >


    Very tasty. Does it include stuffing or is that an extra?
     
    Pete A, Sep 26, 2011
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  4. Robert Coe

    Bruce Guest

    Paul Furman <> wrote:

    >I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
    >copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
    >visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
    >and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
    >fancy piece of modern architecture to work.



    A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
    South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
    make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
    to the UK.
     
    Bruce, Sep 27, 2011
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  5. Robert Coe

    Pete A Guest

    On 2011-09-27 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce said:

    > Paul Furman <> wrote:
    >
    >> I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
    >> copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
    >> visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
    >> and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
    >> fancy piece of modern architecture to work.

    >
    > A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
    > South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
    > make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
    > to the UK.


    On the other hand Glasgow, Scotland is currently the shooting location
    for a Hollywood film set in Philadelphia. Glasgow has attracted many
    filmmakers:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_set_in_Glasgow

    It's a strange world that we live in.
     
    Pete A, Sep 27, 2011
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  6. Robert Coe

    Bruce Guest

    Pete A <> wrote:
    >On 2011-09-27 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce said:
    >> Paul Furman <> wrote:
    >>> I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
    >>> copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
    >>> visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
    >>> and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
    >>> fancy piece of modern architecture to work.

    >>
    >> A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
    >> South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
    >> make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
    >> to the UK.

    >
    >On the other hand Glasgow, Scotland is currently the shooting location
    >for a Hollywood film set in Philadelphia. Glasgow has attracted many
    >filmmakers:
    >
    >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_set_in_Glasgow
    >
    >It's a strange world that we live in.



    Indeed it is. I recall going to the cinema to see "Educating Rita", a
    story that was inextricably linked with my home town of Liverpool and
    its University, which I attended, only to find that all the location
    shots had been filmed in Dublin. :-(
     
    Bruce, Sep 27, 2011
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  7. Robert Coe

    Pete A Guest

    On 2011-09-27 17:50:34 +0100, Bruce said:

    > Pete A <> wrote:
    >> On 2011-09-27 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce said:
    >>> Paul Furman <> wrote:
    >>>> I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
    >>>> copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
    >>>> visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
    >>>> and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
    >>>> fancy piece of modern architecture to work.
    >>>
    >>> A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
    >>> South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
    >>> make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
    >>> to the UK.

    >>
    >> On the other hand Glasgow, Scotland is currently the shooting location
    >> for a Hollywood film set in Philadelphia. Glasgow has attracted many
    >> filmmakers:
    >>
    >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_set_in_Glasgow
    >>
    >> It's a strange world that we live in.

    >
    > Indeed it is. I recall going to the cinema to see "Educating Rita", a
    > story that was inextricably linked with my home town of Liverpool and
    > its University, which I attended, only to find that all the location
    > shots had been filmed in Dublin. :-(


    I did't know that. I'm still trying to recover from her lying about her
    name :-(
     
    Pete A, Sep 27, 2011
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  8. Robert Coe

    tony cooper Guest

    On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:50:34 +0100, Bruce <>
    wrote:

    >Pete A <> wrote:
    >>On 2011-09-27 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce said:
    >>> Paul Furman <> wrote:
    >>>> I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
    >>>> copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
    >>>> visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
    >>>> and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
    >>>> fancy piece of modern architecture to work.
    >>>
    >>> A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
    >>> South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
    >>> make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
    >>> to the UK.

    >>
    >>On the other hand Glasgow, Scotland is currently the shooting location
    >>for a Hollywood film set in Philadelphia. Glasgow has attracted many
    >>filmmakers:
    >>
    >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_set_in_Glasgow
    >>
    >>It's a strange world that we live in.

    >
    >
    >Indeed it is. I recall going to the cinema to see "Educating Rita", a
    >story that was inextricably linked with my home town of Liverpool and
    >its University, which I attended, only to find that all the location
    >shots had been filmed in Dublin. :-(


    My wife and I happened to be in Dublin when the film was playing, and
    saw it there. It was billed as a "local" film.


    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
     
    tony cooper, Sep 27, 2011
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  9. Robert Coe

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce <> wrote:
    : Paul Furman <> wrote:
    :
    : >I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
    : >copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
    : >visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
    : >and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
    : >fancy piece of modern architecture to work.
    :
    :
    : A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
    : South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
    : make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
    : to the UK.

    The fact that they drive on the left there (assuming they still do) would make
    it easier to maintain the illusion that a commercial was shot in the UK. The
    producers of the "Miss Turkey" commercial, which I guess was intended for the
    US or Canada, were careful not to show street scenes close up.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 30, 2011
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  10. Robert Coe

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:46:20 +0100, Pete A <>
    wrote:
    : On 2011-09-27 14:15:21 +0100, Bruce said:
    :
    : > Paul Furman <> wrote:
    : >
    : >> I know a guy who shoots TV commercials. The cost is prohibitive for
    : >> copyright permission for most any American city with modern architecture
    : >> visible, so he has to shoot in Canada or often Eastern European cities,
    : >> and even has had to do CGI virtual buildings if the ad needs a real
    : >> fancy piece of modern architecture to work.
    : >
    : > A surprising number of TV commercials shown in the UK are shot in
    : > South Africa. The South African authorities bend over backwards to
    : > make it easy to film there, and the architecture is not so different
    : > to the UK.
    :
    : On the other hand Glasgow, Scotland is currently the shooting location
    : for a Hollywood film set in Philadelphia. Glasgow has attracted many
    : filmmakers:
    :
    : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_set_in_Glasgow
    :
    : It's a strange world that we live in.

    It's a strange audience that would believe that Glasgow looks like
    Philadelphia.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Sep 30, 2011
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