Re: Adobe Photoshop CS4 Save $700

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by blackmanblues@gmail.com, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. Guest

    On Jan 28, 5:51 pm, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com wrote:
    > This is a copy of some info that I found on the web. Tried it and it
    > does work!!
    >
    > First - Download ACPCS4 Trial from Adobe
    >
    > Important Note: You must block APCS4 with your firewall. If you don't
    > it will reject your serial number eventually!!
    >
    > 1- Add the following line (using Notepad) to your hosts file located:
    >
    >    C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts:
    >
    >    127.0.0.1 activate.adobe.com
    >
    > 2- Install and select Custom Install
    > Uncheck everything but Adobe Photoshop , Adobe Bridge, Supporting
    > Components
    >
    > 3- When asked use one of the serial numbers
    >
    > 1330-1102-4806-6896-7634-8166
    > 1330-1600-9280-5954-9369-6546
    > 1330-1847-4625-1871-2226-7170
    > 1330-1233-6855-8945-0814-9160
    > 1330-1901-9047-6665-4747-9720
    > 1330-1299-7283-4574-0858-5347
    > 1330-1682-3373-1316-1759-5651
    > 1330-1101-2956-8934-9272-9358
    > 1330-1799-0460-5679-1715-2487
    > 1330-1219-1782-2141-2280-8785
    > 1330-1376-0491-4472-8497-0497
    > 1330-1164-2070-1179-2673-9998
    >
    > Note: If you experience a rejected serial number try this test: unplug
    > router from the net and put in a new serial. Use Photoshop. It will be
    > fine now. This test means that you did not block APCS4 with your
    > firewall as instructed!
    >
    > Now with the money you just saved go buy a new lens!!
    >
    > If Adobe used better protection you would not see this post!
    >
    > Note:
    > all you ubber honest  guys should not read this post let alone try it!
    >
    > This is just information I do not advocte that you actually do this. I
    > recommend that you take the $700 out of your meagre paycheck and buy
    > the program.  (Muahahahahahaha!)
    >
    > Robin Hood


    Well I'll be damned--it actually works!
     
    , Jan 29, 2009
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  2. whisky-dave Guest

    "D.Mac" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > <> wrote in message
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    >> On Jan 28, 5:51 pm, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com wrote:
    >>> This is a copy of some info that I found on the web. Tried it and it
    >>> does work!!
    >>>
    >>> First - Download ACPCS4 Trial from Adobe
    >>>

    >
    > It never fails to amaze me the gullibility of people.
    >
    > Do you really thing Adobe are that stupid?


    Is it stupid of them to let some people use it for free, that's the
    question.

    years ago on ye olde BBC micros there were two mainstream word processors
    available both were hardware as in ROM based one was virtually impossible to
    copy
    the other was very easy, guess which one everyone wanted to use, so guess
    which one
    we had to buy to support the students that wanted to do word processing.
    We brought about 8 copies of the one that could be copied easily and one
    copy
    of the one that couldn't be copied, no one use the one that couldn't be
    copied
    because few of the students bothered to find out how to use it.
    The average student will find a way of getting copies of most software for
    free,
    as a training place it's important we have course on things people want to
    use.
    As with windows the reason windows is the most used[1] is because a lot of
    people
    copy it and therefore know how to use it, which is advantageous to industry
    as they
    have a large pool of people that have some idea how to use windows.

    The most popular things are those that are copied.
    Same with music really.I bet madonna is copied more than you're local bar
    band
    but I also bet madonna makes more money than the average bar band despite
    the huge amount of music sharing.

    It's only when those that can and should pay for the products statr usign
    pirate copies
    is when a company loses money from pirate copies.

    Which is why they aren;t too worried about a casual user having a copy.









    >
    > Sure it works but just wait a few weeks and see what happens to your
    > system.
    >
    > Adobe haven't gotten to be the best and most reliable by letting pirates
    > win. We all pay in the end for the theft of a few idiots who don't have
    > the brains to use the stuff anyway.
    >
    > --
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    > My photos, Information about trolls
    > and a little bit of fun too!
    >
    >
     
    whisky-dave, Jan 30, 2009
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  3. D.Mac Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Jan 28, 5:51 pm, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com wrote:
    >> This is a copy of some info that I found on the web. Tried it and it
    >> does work!!
    >>
    >> First - Download ACPCS4 Trial from Adobe
    >>


    It never fails to amaze me the gullibility of people.

    Do you really thing Adobe are that stupid?

    Sure it works but just wait a few weeks and see what happens to your system.

    Adobe haven't gotten to be the best and most reliable by letting pirates
    win. We all pay in the end for the theft of a few idiots who don't have the
    brains to use the stuff anyway.

    --
    Visit my site: D-Mac.info
    My photos, Information about trolls
    and a little bit of fun too!
     
    D.Mac, Jan 31, 2009
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  4. Robert Coe Guest

    On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:06:35 -0800 (PST), wrote:
    : On Jan 28, 5:51 pm, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com wrote:
    : > This is a copy of some info that I found on the web. Tried it and it
    : > does work!!
    : >
    : > First - Download ACPCS4 Trial from Adobe
    : >
    : > [etc.]
    : >
    : > If Adobe used better protection you would not see this post!
    : >
    : > Note:
    : > all you ubber honest  guys should not read this post let alone try it!
    : >
    : > This is just information I do not advocte that you actually do this. I
    : > recommend that you take the $700 out of your meagre paycheck and buy
    : > the program.  (Muahahahahahaha!)
    : >
    : > Robin Hood
    :
    : Well I'll be damned--it actually works!

    How long do you goobers think it will take before Adobe fixes the trial
    version to plug that leak?

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Feb 1, 2009
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  5. Robert Coe Guest

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:32:11 -0800, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com wrote:
    : On 30 Jan 2009 05:26:01 -0600, "Toby" <> wrote:
    : >You may find that eventually you will get a screen saying that the licensing
    : >for the product has stopped working.
    : >
    : >Good luck,
    : >
    : >Toby
    : >
    : Hi Toby
    :
    : The only way that can happen is if the user doesn't block PS from
    : phoning home. Once blocked PS will work indefinitely. If by chance the
    : user is forgetful and installs a new firewall and PS does phone home
    : then you get a message that the serial number is invalid. The user
    : simply re-blocks PS with the firewall and enters a new serial and
    : voila! PS is good to go.
    :
    : BTW: this is the least protection I have seen for PS.
    : Previous versions needed a keygen to activate it but now you just have
    : to enter a little bit of text into the hosts file. It appears that
    : Adobe is lax or just doesn't care.

    Robin, how much do you know about what the hosts file actually does? I'd bet
    money that it's less than you think, but I'm sure you wouldn't pay me if you
    lost. Only a fool makes a bet with a self-confessed thief.

    By defining Adobe's site name as your loopback address, you've made it
    impossible for Photoshop to check the validity of the serial number you're
    using. But that doesn't tell Photoshop that the number *is* valid, which is
    why it keeps trying. And if, despite the hosts file tweak, you really do have
    to keep blocking messages from Adobe, it suggests that Photoshop may be using
    a backdoor address to keep trying to make contact. In any case, Photoshop
    knows that it hasn't validated your number. So unless Adobe is dumber than
    most of us think, Toby's warning that the program may eventually pull the plug
    on you is perfectly plausible. What, if anything, it may decide to do to your
    images if and when that happens is up to you to contemplate. (Maybe it has
    already watermarked them, and on some future date every copy you've passed out
    to anybody will evaporate. Or conspicuously reveal your theft. Or worse.)

    Have a nice day! ;^)

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Feb 1, 2009
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  6. J. Clarke Guest

    Robert Coe wrote:
    > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:32:11 -0800, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com
    > wrote:
    >> On 30 Jan 2009 05:26:01 -0600, "Toby" <> wrote:
    >>> You may find that eventually you will get a screen saying that the
    >>> licensing for the product has stopped working.
    >>>
    >>> Good luck,
    >>>
    >>> Toby
    >>>

    >> Hi Toby
    >>
    >> The only way that can happen is if the user doesn't block PS from
    >> phoning home. Once blocked PS will work indefinitely. If by chance
    >> the user is forgetful and installs a new firewall and PS does phone
    >> home then you get a message that the serial number is invalid. The
    >> user simply re-blocks PS with the firewall and enters a new serial
    >> and voila! PS is good to go.
    >>
    >> BTW: this is the least protection I have seen for PS.
    >> Previous versions needed a keygen to activate it but now you just
    >> have to enter a little bit of text into the hosts file. It appears
    >> that Adobe is lax or just doesn't care.

    >
    > Robin, how much do you know about what the hosts file actually does?
    > I'd bet money that it's less than you think, but I'm sure you
    > wouldn't pay me if you lost. Only a fool makes a bet with a
    > self-confessed thief.
    >
    > By defining Adobe's site name as your loopback address, you've made
    > it
    > impossible for Photoshop to check the validity of the serial number
    > you're using. But that doesn't tell Photoshop that the number *is*
    > valid, which is why it keeps trying. And if, despite the hosts file
    > tweak, you really do have to keep blocking messages from Adobe, it
    > suggests that Photoshop may be using a backdoor address to keep
    > trying to make contact. In any case, Photoshop knows that it hasn't
    > validated your number. So unless Adobe is dumber than most of us
    > think, Toby's warning that the program may eventually pull the plug
    > on you is perfectly plausible. What, if anything, it may decide to
    > do
    > to your images if and when that happens is up to you to contemplate.
    > (Maybe it has already watermarked them, and on some future date
    > every
    > copy you've passed out to anybody will evaporate. Or conspicuously
    > reveal your theft. Or worse.)


    Destruction of images would be very costly for Adobe. It's unlawful
    for software to destroy content as part of a copy-protection scheme
    and their pockets are deep enough to make them worth going after.
    Unless the folks at Adobe are fourteen kinds of fool it will simply
    disable itself and die quietly.

    --
    --
    --John
    to email, dial "usenet" and validate
    (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
     
    J. Clarke, Feb 1, 2009
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  7. Ray Fischer Guest

    <RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com> wrote:
    >On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:00:52 -0500, Robert Coe <> wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:06:35 -0800 (PST), wrote:
    >>: On Jan 28, 5:51 pm, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com wrote:
    >>: > This is a copy of some info that I found on the web. Tried it and it
    >>: > does work!!
    >>: >
    >>: > First - Download ACPCS4 Trial from Adobe
    >>: >
    >>: > [etc.]
    >>: >
    >>: > If Adobe used better protection you would not see this post!
    >>: >
    >>: > Note:
    >>: > all you ubber honest  guys should not read this post let alone try it!
    >>: >
    >>: > This is just information I do not advocte that you actually do this. I
    >>: > recommend that you take the $700 out of your meagre paycheck and buy
    >>: > the program.  (Muahahahahahaha!)
    >>: >
    >>: > Robin Hood
    >>:
    >>: Well I'll be damned--it actually works!
    >>
    >>How long do you goobers think it will take before Adobe fixes the trial
    >>version to plug that leak?
    >>
    >>Bob

    >
    >Bob
    >
    >Adobe does not care. PERIOD! For at least a decade this has been going
    >on yet Adobe does nothing. They know no matter what they do, in only a
    >few days a hacker puts out a new fix. It's like farting in a
    >hurricane.


    There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    for their own selfish wants.

    --
    Ray Fischer
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 1, 2009
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  8. Ray Fischer Guest

    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS4 Save $700 <--for Ray

    Robin Hood <RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com> wrote:
    >On 01 Feb 2009 22:55:38 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    >
    >> <RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com> wrote:
    >>>On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:00:52 -0500, Robert Coe <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:06:35 -0800 (PST), wrote:
    >>>>: On Jan 28, 5:51 pm, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com wrote:
    >>>>: > This is a copy of some info that I found on the web. Tried it and it
    >>>>: > does work!!
    >>>>: >
    >>>>: > First - Download ACPCS4 Trial from Adobe
    >>>>: >
    >>>>: > [etc.]
    >>>>: >
    >>>>: > If Adobe used better protection you would not see this post!
    >>>>: >
    >>>>: > Note:
    >>>>: > all you ubber honest  guys should not read this post let alone try it!
    >>>>: >
    >>>>: > This is just information I do not advocte that you actually do this. I
    >>>>: > recommend that you take the $700 out of your meagre paycheck and buy
    >>>>: > the program.  (Muahahahahahaha!)
    >>>>: >
    >>>>: > Robin Hood
    >>>>:
    >>>>: Well I'll be damned--it actually works!
    >>>>
    >>>>How long do you goobers think it will take before Adobe fixes the trial
    >>>>version to plug that leak?
    >>>>
    >>>>Bob
    >>>
    >>>Bob
    >>>
    >>>Adobe does not care. PERIOD! For at least a decade this has been going
    >>>on yet Adobe does nothing. They know no matter what they do, in only a
    >>>few days a hacker puts out a new fix. It's like farting in a
    >>>hurricane.

    >>
    >>There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    >>for their own selfish wants.

    >
    >I have a joke for you Ray:


    You _are_ a joke, thief.

    >What do Space Aliens and Honest Jews have in common?
    >|
    >Well... everyone has heard that they exist but nobody has ever
    >actually met one!


    And you're an anti-semite as well.

    An all-round sleazebag.

    --
    Ray Fischer
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 2, 2009
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  9. Ray Fischer Guest

    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS4 Save $700 <--for Ray

    Robin Hood <RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com> wrote:
    >On 02 Feb 2009 01:08:36 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    >
    >>Robin Hood <RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com> wrote:
    >>>On 01 Feb 2009 22:55:38 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> <RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com> wrote:
    >>>>>On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:00:52 -0500, Robert Coe <> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:06:35 -0800 (PST), wrote:
    >>>>>>: On Jan 28, 5:51 pm, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com wrote:
    >>>>>>: > This is a copy of some info that I found on the web. Tried it and it
    >>>>>>: > does work!!
    >>>>>>: >
    >>>>>>: > First - Download ACPCS4 Trial from Adobe
    >>>>>>: >
    >>>>>>: > [etc.]
    >>>>>>: >
    >>>>>>: > If Adobe used better protection you would not see this post!
    >>>>>>: >
    >>>>>>: > Note:
    >>>>>>: > all you ubber honest  guys should not read this post let alone try it!
    >>>>>>: >
    >>>>>>: > This is just information I do not advocte that you actually do this. I
    >>>>>>: > recommend that you take the $700 out of your meagre paycheck and buy
    >>>>>>: > the program.  (Muahahahahahaha!)
    >>>>>>: >
    >>>>>>: > Robin Hood
    >>>>>>:
    >>>>>>: Well I'll be damned--it actually works!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>How long do you goobers think it will take before Adobe fixes the trial
    >>>>>>version to plug that leak?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Bob
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Bob
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Adobe does not care. PERIOD! For at least a decade this has been going
    >>>>>on yet Adobe does nothing. They know no matter what they do, in only a
    >>>>>few days a hacker puts out a new fix. It's like farting in a
    >>>>>hurricane.
    >>>>
    >>>>There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    >>>>for their own selfish wants.
    >>>
    >>>I have a joke for you Ray:

    >>
    >>You _are_ a joke, thief.
    >>
    >>>What do Space Aliens and Honest Jews have in common?
    >>>|
    >>>Well... everyone has heard that they exist but nobody has ever
    >>>actually met one!

    >>
    >>And you're an anti-semite as well.
    >>
    >>An all-round sleazebag.

    >
    >Ray
    >
    >I've read many of your posts. I think you are a complete wacko!


    That coming from an admitted thief and anti-semite.

    Oooo! I'm _so_ concerned.

    --
    Ray Fischer
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 3, 2009
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  10. whisky-dave Guest

    "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    > for their own selfish wants.


    Tue but how is it that if someone else aquires photoshop or any other
    program for 'free'
    has any diverse effect on anyone that has paid for it ?
    Suppose I told you that I have the adobe collection, does this mean you
    can't
    get a stiffy any longer, or perhaps it gives you AIDS or is it just plain
    old fashioned
    green eyed jealousy. ?
     
    whisky-dave, Feb 3, 2009
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  11. Ray Fischer Guest

    whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >
    >> There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    >> for their own selfish wants.

    >
    >Tue but how is it that if someone else aquires photoshop or any other
    >program for 'free'


    Who then pays the developers to produce Photoshop?

    >has any diverse effect on anyone that has paid for it ?


    Yes. Adding features costs money. The thieves take away money that
    might have been used to make the product better.

    >Suppose I told you that I have the adobe collection, does this mean you
    >can't
    >get a stiffy any longer,


    Pervert.

    --
    Ray Fischer
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 3, 2009
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  12. Robert Coe Guest

    Re: Adobe Photoshop CS4 Save $700 <--for Ray

    On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:18:24 -0800, Robin Hood <RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com>
    wrote:
    : I have a joke for you Ray:
    :
    : What do Space Aliens and Honest Jews have in common?
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : |
    : Well... everyone has heard that they exist but nobody has ever
    : actually met one!
    :
    : That should get your keyboard fired up! Muahahahahaha!

    What a pathetic shithead you are. One of the fundamental principles of Judaism
    is the requirement that all business dealings be conducted with absolute
    honesty. Obviously, not all Jews measure up to that standard. But even more
    obviously, neither do you. I'm not Jewish, but I guess I know more about Jews
    than you do. Slink back into your burrow and think that over, while you enjoy
    your bogus copy of Photoshop.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Feb 4, 2009
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  13. Ray Fischer Guest

    NelsonTodd <> wrote:
    > (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    >>whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >>>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message


    >>>> There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    >>>> for their own selfish wants.
    >>>
    >>>Tue but how is it that if someone else aquires photoshop or any other
    >>>program for 'free'

    >>
    >>Who then pays the developers to produce Photoshop?

    >
    >You do.


    Nope.

    >>>has any diverse effect on anyone that has paid for it ?

    >>
    >>Yes. Adding features costs money. The thieves take away money that
    >>might have been used to make the product better.

    >
    >They took away no money so they are not thieves.


    You're either stupid or lying. Stealing the software denies the
    company it could use to produce the software.

    > They are using a copy from
    >a library of an unlimited number of copies that cost nobody any money to
    >make.


    Are you insane? Do you have any idea how much Adobe spends to produce
    Photoshop?

    > Just because you want to donate to overpriced software and overpaid


    YOU are overpaid. You must sign your next paycheck over to me.

    And it won't be stealing because you're only being denied the money
    you didn't deserve. Of course, you're a dishonest hypocrite so you
    are going to argue that the rules are "different" when they're applied
    to you.

    --
    Ray Fischer
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 4, 2009
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  14. whisky-dave Guest

    "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    news:498899d7$0$1670$...
    > whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >>
    >>> There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    >>> for their own selfish wants.

    >>
    >>Tue but how is it that if someone else aquires photoshop or any other
    >>program for 'free'

    >
    > Who then pays the developers to produce Photoshop?


    Those that make money from selling their photographs or are employed
    because they know how to get the best from using such a program.

    >>has any diverse effect on anyone that has paid for it ?

    >
    > Yes. Adding features costs money.


    So, they don;t have to add any features they could have stayed with version
    2.5 which
    was the first version I ever used (a copy).
    The only reasson they added new features was because they wanted to make
    more money
    by selling version 3.0 (with layers), and I guess they didnt; want any other
    software vendor taking their market share. Actually I added to their nmarket
    share.



    >The thieves take away money that
    > might have been used to make the product better.


    That's why such people aren't thieves because they don;t remove any money
    from anyone. When I was helping students with 2.5 the college they were
    attending
    only had 2.5, I upgraded to 3.0 about a month before they did, and when the
    students
    I was helping saw what could be done and asked/demanded thier college get
    up to date,
    so they brought 3 copies and all because I showed them what could be done
    with a copy.

    >>Suppose I told you that I have the adobe collection, does this mean you
    >>can't
    >>get a stiffy any longer,

    >
    > Pervert.


    Cheers
    but what has that got to do with the price of photoshop ;-)
     
    whisky-dave, Feb 4, 2009
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  15. whisky-dave Guest

    "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
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    > NelsonTodd <> wrote:
    >> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    >>>whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >>>>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message

    >
    >>>>> There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    >>>>> for their own selfish wants.
    >>>>
    >>>>Tue but how is it that if someone else aquires photoshop or any other
    >>>>program for 'free'
    >>>
    >>>Who then pays the developers to produce Photoshop?

    >>
    >>You do.

    >
    > Nope.
    >
    >>>>has any diverse effect on anyone that has paid for it ?
    >>>
    >>>Yes. Adding features costs money. The thieves take away money that
    >>>might have been used to make the product better.

    >>
    >>They took away no money so they are not thieves.

    >
    > You're either stupid or lying. Stealing the software denies the
    > company it could use to produce the software.


    How ?
    The company develop software so they can continue to sell more software.

    As you're not too bright think of it this way, how do the car company
    Cadillac (or any other high end car manufacturer) loss money when someone
    steals one of their cars........
    Answer they they don;t in fact if the 'thief' in the case damages or
    distorys the car
    then the owner claims off insurance and buys another so the manufacturer
    sells another car.
    So how have they lost money by selling two cars instead of one ?

    It's a little more complicated with software but if I steal the CS4
    collection
    who exactly finds that it is missing from their computer and therefore can
    no longer work ?


    >> They are using a copy from
    >>a library of an unlimited number of copies that cost nobody any money to
    >>make.

    >
    > Are you insane? Do you have any idea how much Adobe spends to produce
    > Photoshop?


    Does that matter, it's their choice, if tehy want to spend a few $1000 or
    designing a new icon
    then that's fine by me. I've never asked them to do anything for me.
     
    whisky-dave, Feb 4, 2009
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  16. J. Clarke Guest

    whisky-dave wrote:
    > "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    > news:49891ec1$0$1635$...
    >> NelsonTodd <> wrote:
    >>> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    >>>> whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >>>>> "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message

    >>
    >>>>>> There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the
    >>>>>> rest
    >>>>>> of us for their own selfish wants.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Tue but how is it that if someone else aquires photoshop or any
    >>>>> other program for 'free'
    >>>>
    >>>> Who then pays the developers to produce Photoshop?
    >>>
    >>> You do.

    >>
    >> Nope.
    >>
    >>>>> has any diverse effect on anyone that has paid for it ?
    >>>>
    >>>> Yes. Adding features costs money. The thieves take away money
    >>>> that might have been used to make the product better.
    >>>
    >>> They took away no money so they are not thieves.

    >>
    >> You're either stupid or lying. Stealing the software denies the
    >> company it could use to produce the software.

    >
    > How ?
    > The company develop software so they can continue to sell more
    > software.
    >
    > As you're not too bright think of it this way, how do the car
    > company
    > Cadillac (or any other high end car manufacturer) loss money when
    > someone steals one of their cars........
    > Answer they they don;t in fact if the 'thief' in the case damages or
    > distorys the car
    > then the owner claims off insurance and buys another so the
    > manufacturer sells another car.
    > So how have they lost money by selling two cars instead of one ?
    >
    > It's a little more complicated with software but if I steal the CS4
    > collection
    > who exactly finds that it is missing from their computer and
    > therefore can no longer work ?
    >
    >
    >>> They are using a copy from
    >>> a library of an unlimited number of copies that cost nobody any
    >>> money to make.

    >>
    >> Are you insane? Do you have any idea how much Adobe spends to
    >> produce Photoshop?

    >
    > Does that matter, it's their choice, if tehy want to spend a few
    > $1000 or designing a new icon
    > then that's fine by me. I've never asked them to do anything for me.



    The bottom line on this is that it's stealing because the consensus in
    our society is that it's stealing. If you want to call it "counting
    coup" or something that's fine but don't act all surprised when you
    get dragged off to jail.

    If you don't _like_ that consensus, you're free to do your best to
    change it and get the copyright laws repealed. But until you have
    done that, regardless of your opinion in the matter, in law it is
    still a property crime.

    --
    --
    --John
    to email, dial "usenet" and validate
    (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
     
    J. Clarke, Feb 4, 2009
    #16
  17. whisky-dave Guest

    "J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > whisky-dave wrote:
    >> "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >> news:49891ec1$0$1635$...
    >>> NelsonTodd <> wrote:
    >>>> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    >>>>> whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >>>>>> "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >>>
    >>>>>>> There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the
    >>>>>>> rest
    >>>>>>> of us for their own selfish wants.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Tue but how is it that if someone else aquires photoshop or any
    >>>>>> other program for 'free'
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Who then pays the developers to produce Photoshop?
    >>>>
    >>>> You do.
    >>>
    >>> Nope.
    >>>
    >>>>>> has any diverse effect on anyone that has paid for it ?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Yes. Adding features costs money. The thieves take away money
    >>>>> that might have been used to make the product better.
    >>>>
    >>>> They took away no money so they are not thieves.
    >>>
    >>> You're either stupid or lying. Stealing the software denies the
    >>> company it could use to produce the software.

    >>
    >> How ?
    >> The company develop software so they can continue to sell more
    >> software.
    >>
    >> As you're not too bright think of it this way, how do the car
    >> company
    >> Cadillac (or any other high end car manufacturer) loss money when
    >> someone steals one of their cars........
    >> Answer they they don;t in fact if the 'thief' in the case damages or
    >> distorys the car
    >> then the owner claims off insurance and buys another so the
    >> manufacturer sells another car.
    >> So how have they lost money by selling two cars instead of one ?
    >>
    >> It's a little more complicated with software but if I steal the CS4
    >> collection
    >> who exactly finds that it is missing from their computer and
    >> therefore can no longer work ?
    >>
    >>
    >>>> They are using a copy from
    >>>> a library of an unlimited number of copies that cost nobody any
    >>>> money to make.
    >>>
    >>> Are you insane? Do you have any idea how much Adobe spends to
    >>> produce Photoshop?

    >>
    >> Does that matter, it's their choice, if tehy want to spend a few
    >> $1000 or designing a new icon
    >> then that's fine by me. I've never asked them to do anything for me.

    >
    >
    > The bottom line on this is that it's stealing because the consensus in
    > our society is that it's stealing.


    But it isn't not in law that is why they had to have a 'special' law to
    cover it.
    It goes far back to what is property and what isn't.
    Do you also feel that something has been stolen from you if you have your
    picture taken ?
    If someone uses the same words/sentences/paragraphs/passage/book you use,
    are they stealing your words ?

    I'm not saying that everyone should get any software illegally and use it,
    what I am saying is that the idea of theft is wrong because with theft
    someone has to loose something.
    This argument has been going on for years and IIRC it comes originally from
    Jewish law
    on what property consists of.


    > If you want to call it "counting
    > coup" or something that's fine but don't act all surprised when you
    > get dragged off to jail.


    has anyone been jailed yet for this ?
    The only peole I know that have been done for software piracy are kids
    'sharing'
    music, so they are giving away someone elses work, I also believe that is
    wrong.

    if any software company wants to sell more products all it has to do is
    lower the price.
    At $700 I'd never buy Photoshop or any other program for using perhaps a
    couple of hours a week, and remember even after
    you buy it it still isn;t yours you have only brought the license to use it.
    I don;t need a manual I don;t need free on-line support, I don't need a
    CD/DVD.
    Idealy what I'd prefer is a rental system when you pay say $1 day/hour
    whatever.
    If they offered it for download at say $70 I'd buy a copy same as people
    have been
    doing with on-line music stores like iTunes. In fact I even re-brought
    something I had on
    vinyl, perhaps the record componies should 'pay me back' as they have
    already rented
    me the right to listen to that track for as long as I have the track.


    >
    > If you don't _like_ that consensus, you're free to do your best to
    > change it and get the copyright laws repealed. But until you have
    > done that, regardless of your opinion in the matter, in law it is
    > still a property crime.


    The law is always the law, that doesn't make it right though.
     
    whisky-dave, Feb 4, 2009
    #17
  18. Ray Fischer Guest

    whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >> NelsonTodd <> wrote:
    >>> (Ray Fischer) wrote:
    >>>>whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >>>>>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message

    >>
    >>>>>> There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    >>>>>> for their own selfish wants.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Tue but how is it that if someone else aquires photoshop or any other
    >>>>>program for 'free'
    >>>>
    >>>>Who then pays the developers to produce Photoshop?
    >>>
    >>>You do.

    >>
    >> Nope.
    >>
    >>>>>has any diverse effect on anyone that has paid for it ?
    >>>>
    >>>>Yes. Adding features costs money. The thieves take away money that
    >>>>might have been used to make the product better.
    >>>
    >>>They took away no money so they are not thieves.

    >>
    >> You're either stupid or lying. Stealing the software denies the
    >> company it could use to produce the software.

    >
    >How ?


    Moron.

    --
    Ray Fischer
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 4, 2009
    #18
  19. Ray Fischer Guest

    Gerald Hawks <> wrote:
    > "J. Clarke" <>


    >>The bottom line on this is that it's stealing because the consensus in
    >>our society is that it's stealing. If you want to call it "counting
    >>coup" or something that's fine but don't act all surprised when you
    >>get dragged off to jail.
    >>
    >>If you don't _like_ that consensus, you're free to do your best to
    >>change it and get the copyright laws repealed. But until you have
    >>done that, regardless of your opinion in the matter, in law it is
    >>still a property crime.

    >
    >"Laws" are just someone's opinion on paper. No more valid than my opinion.


    You must be about 15 years old.

    Tell it to the judge that his opinion is no more valid than yours.
    Then observe who it is that gets hauled off to prison.

    >Even if the majority is claiming that opinion as law, since when has the
    >majority ever been right.


    Prisons are filled with sociopaths like you who don't understand why
    they're being punished for being thieves and murderers.

    --
    Ray Fischer
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 4, 2009
    #19
  20. Ray Fischer Guest

    whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >> whisky-dave <> wrote:
    >>>"Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >>>
    >>>> There are always criminals and thieves who try to screw the rest of us
    >>>> for their own selfish wants.
    >>>
    >>>Tue but how is it that if someone else aquires photoshop or any other
    >>>program for 'free'

    >>
    >> Who then pays the developers to produce Photoshop?

    >
    >Those that make money from selling their photographs or are employed
    >because they know how to get the best from using such a program.


    That doesn't even make sense. Adobe doesn't get royalties on photos
    produced using Photoshop.

    >>>has any diverse effect on anyone that has paid for it ?

    >>
    >> Yes. Adding features costs money.

    >
    >So, they don;t have to add any features they could have stayed with version
    >2.5 which
    >was the first version I ever used (a copy).


    Which would mean that Adobe would no longer exist.

    >>The thieves take away money that
    >> might have been used to make the product better.

    >
    >That's why such people aren't thieves


    People who steal are thieves.

    >because they don;t remove any money
    >from anyone.


    That's an stupid lie. If I take your paycheck before you get it, is
    that not stealing because I haven't removed any money from you?

    --
    Ray Fischer
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 4, 2009
    #20
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