Re: A Stark reminder of why P&S image quality lags

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by David J Taylor, Apr 12, 2010.

  1. "Alan Browne" <> wrote in message
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    > On 10-04-11 14:44 , Alfred Molon wrote:
    >> You're assuming everybody wants to have a sensor as large as possible.
    >> But most people are primarily concerned with portability, which is why
    >> compact cameras are so popular. Not everybody wants to lug around a
    >> large and heavy DSLR, and even fewer people want to carry around a FF
    >> DSLR.

    >
    > By that logic you want a camera phone.


    I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach and
    ISO capabilities of a DSLR. Physics tells me that my wishes will go
    unfulfilled.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 12, 2010
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  2. David J Taylor

    whisky-dave Guest

    "David J Taylor" <> wrote in message
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    > "Alan Browne" <> wrote in message
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    >> On 10-04-11 14:44 , Alfred Molon wrote:
    >>> You're assuming everybody wants to have a sensor as large as possible.
    >>> But most people are primarily concerned with portability, which is why
    >>> compact cameras are so popular. Not everybody wants to lug around a
    >>> large and heavy DSLR, and even fewer people want to carry around a FF
    >>> DSLR.

    >>
    >> By that logic you want a camera phone.

    >
    > I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach and
    > ISO capabilities of a DSLR. Physics tells me that my wishes will go
    > unfulfilled.


    I believe it will come, but of course even if a micro-sensor just 1mm can do
    the job of a full frame sensor today, then when that happens a full frame
    of those1mm sensors will be better still. So size will always be important,
    which is why Viagra sells so well ;-)
     
    whisky-dave, Apr 12, 2010
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  3. "Alfred Molon" <> wrote in message
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    > In article <hpuf03$scg$-september.org>, david-
    > lid says...
    >> I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach
    >> and
    >> ISO capabilities of a DSLR. Physics tells me that my wishes will go
    >> unfulfilled.

    >
    > Olympus E-PL1 perhaps? It has the same size as a compact camera.


    Thanks for the suggestion, Alfred, but it won't be the same size with a
    lens of the reach of my 300mm lens on a DX camera - 450mm equivalent. Nor
    does it have an optical viewfinder or even an EVF.

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Apr 12, 2010
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  4. David J Taylor

    Rich Guest

    On Apr 12, 8:30 am, "whisky-dave" <> wrote:
    > "David J Taylor" <> wrote in messagenews:hpuf03$scg$-september.org...
    >
    >
    >
    > > "Alan Browne" <> wrote in message
    > >news:...
    > >> On 10-04-11 14:44 , Alfred Molon wrote:
    > >>> You're assuming everybody wants to have a sensor as large as possible..
    > >>> But most people are primarily concerned with portability, which is why
    > >>> compact cameras are so popular. Not everybody wants to lug around a
    > >>> large and heavy DSLR, and even fewer people want to carry around a FF
    > >>> DSLR.

    >
    > >> By that logic you want a camera phone.

    >
    > > I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach and
    > > ISO capabilities of a DSLR.  Physics tells me that my wishes will go
    > > unfulfilled.

    >
    > I believe it will come, but of course even if a micro-sensor just 1mm can do
    > the job of a full frame sensor today, then when that happens a full frame
    > of those1mm sensors will be better still. So size will always be important,
    > which is why Viagra sells so well ;-)


    These grand predictions for sensor performance improvements will never
    come to pass. Sensors as a group haven't changed in 20 years, not
    very much and they are already highly efficient. You are never going
    to see a tiny P&S sensor come anywhere near where a full frame sensor
    performs, it just isn't going to happen.
     
    Rich, Apr 12, 2010
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  5. David J Taylor

    whisky-dave Guest

    "Rich" <> wrote in message
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    On Apr 12, 8:30 am, "whisky-dave" <> wrote:
    > "David J Taylor" <> wrote in
    > messagenews:hpuf03$scg$-september.org...
    >
    >
    >
    > > "Alan Browne" <> wrote in message
    > >news:...
    > >> On 10-04-11 14:44 , Alfred Molon wrote:
    > >>> You're assuming everybody wants to have a sensor as large as possible.
    > >>> But most people are primarily concerned with portability, which is why
    > >>> compact cameras are so popular. Not everybody wants to lug around a
    > >>> large and heavy DSLR, and even fewer people want to carry around a FF
    > >>> DSLR.

    >
    > >> By that logic you want a camera phone.

    >
    > > I would like a camera the size of a compact, but with the lens reach and
    > > ISO capabilities of a DSLR. Physics tells me that my wishes will go
    > > unfulfilled.

    >
    > I believe it will come, but of course even if a micro-sensor just 1mm can
    > do
    > the job of a full frame sensor today, then when that happens a full frame
    > of those1mm sensors will be better still. So size will always be
    > important,
    > which is why Viagra sells so well ;-)


    }These grand predictions for sensor performance improvements will never
    }come to pass.

    I believe they will.

    }Sensors as a group haven't changed in 20 years,

    They have, check out a digital camera of 20 years ago.

    }not
    }very much and they are already highly efficient.
    Were they highly efficient 20 years ago.
    Remember that Photoshop came out 20 years ago.

    } You are never going
    }to see a tiny P&S sensor come anywhere near where a full frame sensor
    }performs, it just isn't going to happen.

    I agree and that's not what I said.
    if yuo take one of the cheap P&Ss today and compare the sensor
    with that of a digital SLR 20 years ago, I think you'd be quite pleased
    with thye reesults of todays P&Ss compared with DSLRs of 20 years ago with a
    full sensor.
     
    whisky-dave, Apr 13, 2010
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