PVR recommendations

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Zipper, Dec 12, 2006.

  1. Zipper

    Zipper Guest

    I am interested in setting up a PVR.

    One of the things I want to be able to do is record teletext subtitles
    with it also, would be great if they were recorded separately so
    playback could include or not include them, I have no idea if that is
    possible or available.

    Anyone know any PVR software for Windows that can do this?

    Recommendations on good pvr software plus a good and widely supported
    card to go with it.
    Free software is always good but I don't mind paying a modest amount if
    it is worth it :).

    Thanks
     
    Zipper, Dec 12, 2006
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  2. Zipper

    JohnO Guest

    Zipper wrote:
    > I am interested in setting up a PVR.
    >
    > One of the things I want to be able to do is record teletext subtitles
    > with it also, would be great if they were recorded separately so
    > playback could include or not include them, I have no idea if that is
    > possible or available.
    >
    > Anyone know any PVR software for Windows that can do this?
    >
    > Recommendations on good pvr software plus a good and widely supported
    > card to go with it.
    > Free software is always good but I don't mind paying a modest amount if
    > it is worth it :).
    >
    > Thanks


    www.gbpvr.com. New Zealand developed and supported, and free.

    Not sure about the teletext, but I would not be surprised.
     
    JohnO, Dec 12, 2006
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  3. Zipper

    Craig Shore Guest

    On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:20:33 +1300, Zipper <> wrote:

    >I am interested in setting up a PVR.
    >
    >One of the things I want to be able to do is record teletext subtitles
    >with it also, would be great if they were recorded separately so
    >playback could include or not include them, I have no idea if that is
    >possible or available.
    >
    >Anyone know any PVR software for Windows that can do this?
    >
    >Recommendations on good pvr software plus a good and widely supported
    >card to go with it.
    >Free software is always good but I don't mind paying a modest amount if
    >it is worth it :).


    The Haupaggue cards seem to be the best supported across all PVR
    software, including linux.

    I'm not sure if they support Teletext or not though.
     
    Craig Shore, Dec 12, 2006
    #3
  4. Craig Shore wrote:
    > The Haupaggue cards seem to be the best supported across all PVR
    > software, including linux.
    >
    > I'm not sure if they support Teletext or not though.


    Craig, I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.

    Do you have any experience with the Hauppauge WinTV Nova S2? I'm looking
    to use this with a Linux MythTV box.

    I am quite interested in this card to build a low-cost PVR for the
    upcoming FreeView (or whatever it ends up being called) service.

    I'm also looking at purchasing a STB. Do you have any suggestions?
    Strong and Topfield seem to be the most highly recommended of the
    options. Yes, I know these come without FreeView certification, but I
    don't really care about interactive services... I understand the MHEG5
    feature is used overseas to provide annoying on screen advertising, so I
    may well be better off without it. I personally find those channel logos
    annoying enough :)

    If you have experience with MythTV, do you know if it is possible to
    watch TV on one box using the tuner in another? Or does it only support
    that for recording?

    Thanks,

    The Other Guy
     
    The Other Guy, Dec 12, 2006
    #4
  5. Zipper

    Craig Shore Guest

    On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:30:18 +1300, The Other Guy <>
    wrote:

    >Craig Shore wrote:
    >> The Haupaggue cards seem to be the best supported across all PVR
    >> software, including linux.
    >>
    >> I'm not sure if they support Teletext or not though.

    >
    >Craig, I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.
    >
    >Do you have any experience with the Hauppauge WinTV Nova S2? I'm looking
    >to use this with a Linux MythTV box.


    I'm using a PVR500 and only switched to it recently.

    >I am quite interested in this card to build a low-cost PVR for the
    >upcoming FreeView (or whatever it ends up being called) service.


    It's not that close is it?

    >I'm also looking at purchasing a STB. Do you have any suggestions?
    >Strong and Topfield seem to be the most highly recommended of the
    >options. Yes, I know these come without FreeView certification, but I
    >don't really care about interactive services... I understand the MHEG5
    >feature is used overseas to provide annoying on screen advertising, so I
    >may well be better off without it. I personally find those channel logos
    >annoying enough :)
    >
    >If you have experience with MythTV, do you know if it is possible to
    >watch TV on one box using the tuner in another? Or does it only support
    >that for recording?


    I'm using GBPVR at the moment, but am considering switching the
    machine to Linux and giving MythTV a go.
    With GBPVR, from what I understand, you can get the Hauppauge Media
    MVP and it will connect to your PVR and allow you to do anything you
    can on the PVR itself, including watching live TV or recordings, or
    set it to record etc. I haven't actually tried it though. I don't know
    if you can stream it to another PC though.

    I guess there is no reason you couldn't start any card using any
    system recording onto a network shared HD and play the file on another
    PC at the same time.
     
    Craig Shore, Dec 12, 2006
    #5
  6. Zipper

    JohnO Guest

    Craig Shore wrote:
    > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:30:18 +1300, The Other Guy <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Craig Shore wrote:
    > >> The Haupaggue cards seem to be the best supported across all PVR
    > >> software, including linux.
    > >>
    > >> I'm not sure if they support Teletext or not though.

    > >
    > >Craig, I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.
    > >
    > >Do you have any experience with the Hauppauge WinTV Nova S2? I'm looking
    > >to use this with a Linux MythTV box.

    >
    > I'm using a PVR500 and only switched to it recently.
    >
    > >I am quite interested in this card to build a low-cost PVR for the
    > >upcoming FreeView (or whatever it ends up being called) service.

    >
    > It's not that close is it?
    >
    > >I'm also looking at purchasing a STB. Do you have any suggestions?
    > >Strong and Topfield seem to be the most highly recommended of the
    > >options. Yes, I know these come without FreeView certification, but I
    > >don't really care about interactive services... I understand the MHEG5
    > >feature is used overseas to provide annoying on screen advertising, so I
    > >may well be better off without it. I personally find those channel logos
    > >annoying enough :)
    > >
    > >If you have experience with MythTV, do you know if it is possible to
    > >watch TV on one box using the tuner in another? Or does it only support
    > >that for recording?

    >
    > I'm using GBPVR at the moment, but am considering switching the
    > machine to Linux and giving MythTV a go.
    > With GBPVR, from what I understand, you can get the Hauppauge Media
    > MVP and it will connect to your PVR and allow you to do anything you
    > can on the PVR itself, including watching live TV or recordings, or
    > set it to record etc. I haven't actually tried it though. I don't know
    > if you can stream it to another PC though.


    Yes, GBPVR finally supports PC clients, so you can use a PC at in one
    room to watch/timeshift live tv or recordings on the PC with the tuner
    card.

    Ironically, MythTV now supports MediaMVP clients so both packages have
    pinched each others cool feature. I'd be very happy with either but in
    my limited experience, I found MythTV *much* harder to get going. I had
    to find packages, modify kernels etc. I think you can now avoid that
    with some specialised MythTV distros out there such as Knoppmyth.

    GBPVR has a smaller set of supported hardware. MythTV seems to work
    with just about any tv tuner card.

    >
    > I guess there is no reason you couldn't start any card using any
    > system recording onto a network shared HD and play the file on another
    > PC at the same time.
     
    JohnO, Dec 12, 2006
    #6
  7. In message <>, JohnO
    wrote:

    > GBPVR has a smaller set of supported hardware. MythTV seems to work
    > with just about any tv tuner card.


    So the Linux-based system has wider hardware support than the Windows-based
    one?
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Dec 12, 2006
    #7
  8. Zipper

    Craig Shore Guest

    On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:16:41 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <_zealand> wrote:

    >In message <>, JohnO
    >wrote:
    >
    >> GBPVR has a smaller set of supported hardware. MythTV seems to work
    >> with just about any tv tuner card.

    >
    >So the Linux-based system has wider hardware support than the Windows-based
    >one?


    Depends on the software you are using, but when it comes to MythTV vs GBPVR,
    yes. But that also makes it a lot more difficult to set up. GBPVR has been
    made so you choose your card from a list in it.
     
    Craig Shore, Dec 12, 2006
    #8
  9. Zipper

    jasen Guest

    On 2006-12-12, Zipper <> wrote:
    > I am interested in setting up a PVR.
    >
    > One of the things I want to be able to do is record teletext subtitles
    > with it also, would be great if they were recorded separately so
    > playback could include or not include them, I have no idea if that is
    > possible or available.


    I've seen it done on videocasette quality was marginal.

    Bye.
    Jasen
     
    jasen, Dec 12, 2006
    #9
  10. In message <>, Craig Shore wrote:

    > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:16:41 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    > <_zealand> wrote:
    >
    >>In message <>, JohnO
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>> GBPVR has a smaller set of supported hardware. MythTV seems to work
    >>> with just about any tv tuner card.

    >>
    >>So the Linux-based system has wider hardware support than the
    >>Windows-based one?

    >
    > ... yes. But that also makes it a lot more difficult to set up.


    Interesting. I've never heard the "better hardware support means it's harder
    to set up" argument before.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Dec 12, 2006
    #10
  11. Craig Shore wrote:
    >> I am quite interested in this card to build a low-cost PVR for the
    >> upcoming FreeView (or whatever it ends up being called) service.

    >
    > It's not that close is it?


    Based on past experiences with Linux, March is close :)

    I'm interested in learning more about DVB, so the absense of much more
    than test channels at the moment doesn't really matter.

    The Other Guy
     
    The Other Guy, Dec 12, 2006
    #11
  12. Zipper

    Shane Guest

    The Other Guy wrote:

    > Craig Shore wrote:
    >> The Haupaggue cards seem to be the best supported across all PVR
    >> software, including linux.
    >>
    >> I'm not sure if they support Teletext or not though.

    >
    > Craig, I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.
    >
    > Do you have any experience with the Hauppauge WinTV Nova S2? I'm looking
    > to use this with a Linux MythTV box.
    >
    > I am quite interested in this card to build a low-cost PVR for the
    > upcoming FreeView (or whatever it ends up being called) service.
    >
    > I'm also looking at purchasing a STB. Do you have any suggestions?
    > Strong and Topfield seem to be the most highly recommended of the
    > options. Yes, I know these come without FreeView certification, but I
    > don't really care about interactive services... I understand the MHEG5
    > feature is used overseas to provide annoying on screen advertising, so I
    > may well be better off without it. I personally find those channel logos
    > annoying enough :)
    >
    > If you have experience with MythTV, do you know if it is possible to
    > watch TV on one box using the tuner in another? Or does it only support
    > that for recording?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > The Other Guy



    Im using mplayer + a phillips saa7134 chipped card :)
    recording from television is as easy as
    $ mencoder -tv driver=v4l:width=400:height=300 tv://<channel> -o
    ~/tv.avi -ovc raw

    Although I am having trouble with filesize (Files are generated at a rate of
    approx 1 Gig per 3-4minutes, putting a 90 minute movie at around 30 - 40
    Gig)

    The channels here in the Waikato (for mplayer) are
    TV2 E4
    TV3 E11
    C4 E8
    Prime 60
    Maori 44
    Trackside 56
    Sky(mumble) 33
    Sky(mumble) 53

    I havent checked which sky (UHF) channel is which, as I dont have (nor
    intend to at this point) a sky decoder


    --
    God: When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at
    all.

    blog: http://shanes.dyndns.org
     
    Shane, Dec 12, 2006
    #12
  13. Shane wrote:
    > Im using mplayer + a phillips saa7134 chipped card :)
    > recording from television is as easy as
    > $ mencoder -tv driver=v4l:width=400:height=300 tv://<channel> -o
    > ~/tv.avi -ovc raw
    >
    > Although I am having trouble with filesize (Files are generated at a rate of
    > approx 1 Gig per 3-4minutes, putting a 90 minute movie at around 30 - 40
    > Gig)


    You might consider trying VLC. I believe recent versions of the client
    can receive from DVB cards (VLS has been able to for a while).

    VLC can transcode output and write it to file in a variety for formats.
    E.g. you should be able to MPEG2 encode the video to save space.

    > The channels here in the Waikato (for mplayer) are

    ....
    > Sky(mumble) 33
    > Sky(mumble) 53
    >
    > I havent checked which sky (UHF) channel is which, as I dont have (nor
    > intend to at this point) a sky decoder


    The audio isn't encoded. Basically if you hear continuous noise, or loud
    American voices talking a load of bull shit, you've found Sky Sport.

    If it shows horse racing at certain times of the day, it's
    Discovery/Trackside.

    If you hear anything else, it must be Sky Movies.

    The Other Guy
     
    The Other Guy, Dec 12, 2006
    #13
  14. Zipper

    JohnO Guest

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    > In message <>, Craig Shore wrote:
    >
    > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:16:41 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    > > <_zealand> wrote:
    > >
    > >>In message <>, JohnO
    > >>wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> GBPVR has a smaller set of supported hardware. MythTV seems to work
    > >>> with just about any tv tuner card.
    > >>
    > >>So the Linux-based system has wider hardware support than the
    > >>Windows-based one?

    > >
    > > ... yes. But that also makes it a lot more difficult to set up.

    >
    > Interesting. I've never heard the "better hardware support means it's harder
    > to set up" argument before.


    Some of the tv tuners supported in MythTV required the user to obtain
    code and compilie it, including kernel code, to make them work.
     
    JohnO, Dec 12, 2006
    #14
  15. Zipper

    JohnO Guest

    Shane wrote:
    > The Other Guy wrote:
    >
    > > Craig Shore wrote:
    > >> The Haupaggue cards seem to be the best supported across all PVR
    > >> software, including linux.
    > >>
    > >> I'm not sure if they support Teletext or not though.

    > >
    > > Craig, I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.
    > >
    > > Do you have any experience with the Hauppauge WinTV Nova S2? I'm looking
    > > to use this with a Linux MythTV box.
    > >
    > > I am quite interested in this card to build a low-cost PVR for the
    > > upcoming FreeView (or whatever it ends up being called) service.
    > >
    > > I'm also looking at purchasing a STB. Do you have any suggestions?
    > > Strong and Topfield seem to be the most highly recommended of the
    > > options. Yes, I know these come without FreeView certification, but I
    > > don't really care about interactive services... I understand the MHEG5
    > > feature is used overseas to provide annoying on screen advertising, so I
    > > may well be better off without it. I personally find those channel logos
    > > annoying enough :)
    > >
    > > If you have experience with MythTV, do you know if it is possible to
    > > watch TV on one box using the tuner in another? Or does it only support
    > > that for recording?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > The Other Guy

    >
    >
    > Im using mplayer + a phillips saa7134 chipped card :)
    > recording from television is as easy as
    > $ mencoder -tv driver=v4l:width=400:height=300 tv://<channel> -o
    > ~/tv.avi -ovc raw
    >
    > Although I am having trouble with filesize (Files are generated at a rate of
    > approx 1 Gig per 3-4minutes, putting a 90 minute movie at around 30 - 40
    > Gig)
    >


    I think you can transcode on the fly into mpeg so save the space. Or,
    if you have a card such as one of the Hauppauge PVR cards it does the
    mpeg encoding in hardware on the card.

    > The channels here in the Waikato (for mplayer) are
    > TV2 E4
    > TV3 E11
    > C4 E8
    > Prime 60
    > Maori 44
    > Trackside 56
    > Sky(mumble) 33
    > Sky(mumble) 53
    >
    > I havent checked which sky (UHF) channel is which, as I dont have (nor
    > intend to at this point) a sky decoder
    >
    >
    > --
    > God: When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at
    > all.
    >
    > blog: http://shanes.dyndns.org
     
    JohnO, Dec 12, 2006
    #15
  16. In message <>, JohnO
    wrote:

    > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    >> In message <>, Craig Shore
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:16:41 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    >> > <_zealand> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>In message <>,
    >> >>JohnO wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >>> GBPVR has a smaller set of supported hardware. MythTV seems to work
    >> >>> with just about any tv tuner card.
    >> >>
    >> >>So the Linux-based system has wider hardware support than the
    >> >>Windows-based one?
    >> >
    >> > ... yes. But that also makes it a lot more difficult to set up.

    >>
    >> Interesting. I've never heard the "better hardware support means it's
    >> harder to set up" argument before.

    >
    > Some of the tv tuners supported in MythTV required the user to obtain
    > code and [compile] it, including kernel code, to make them work.


    As opposed to GB-PVR, where they don't work at all?

    And also KnoppMyth includes all that stuff prepackaged and ready to go,
    doesn't it.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Dec 12, 2006
    #16
  17. Zipper

    JohnO Guest

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    > In message <>, JohnO
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    > >> In message <>, Craig Shore
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:16:41 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    > >> > <_zealand> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>In message <>,
    > >> >>JohnO wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >>> GBPVR has a smaller set of supported hardware. MythTV seems to work
    > >> >>> with just about any tv tuner card.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>So the Linux-based system has wider hardware support than the
    > >> >>Windows-based one?
    > >> >
    > >> > ... yes. But that also makes it a lot more difficult to set up.
    > >>
    > >> Interesting. I've never heard the "better hardware support means it's
    > >> harder to set up" argument before.

    > >
    > > Some of the tv tuners supported in MythTV required the user to obtain
    > > code and [compile] it, including kernel code, to make them work.

    >
    > As opposed to GB-PVR, where they don't work at all?


    Incorrect. GBPVR offically supports mpeg hardware encoding cards by
    philosophy. However the other cards often can be used, and the GBPVR
    developer even offers some tips to assist with this.

    >
    > And also KnoppMyth includes all that stuff prepackaged and ready to go,
    > doesn't it.


    For some cards but not all. If a new card comes out you need to wait
    for a driver to come out and if it is kernel mode then you are back to
    recompiling kernels.
     
    JohnO, Dec 12, 2006
    #17
  18. Zipper

    Earl Grey Guest

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    > In message <>, JohnO
    > wrote:
    >
    >> GBPVR has a smaller set of supported hardware. MythTV seems to work
    >> with just about any tv tuner card.

    >
    > So the Linux-based system has wider hardware support than the Windows-based
    > one?


    Yes and no.
    GBPVR is made to support hardware encoding cards, the best hardware
    choices are the same for both, Hauppauge PVR 150 or similar, but GBPVR
    supports the Hauppauge MediaMVP better than MythTV
     
    Earl Grey, Dec 12, 2006
    #18
  19. Zipper

    Earl Grey Guest

    Craig Shore wrote:
    > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:30:18 +1300, The Other Guy <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Craig Shore wrote:
    >>> The Haupaggue cards seem to be the best supported across all PVR
    >>> software, including linux.
    >>>
    >>> I'm not sure if they support Teletext or not though.

    >> Craig, I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.
    >>
    >> Do you have any experience with the Hauppauge WinTV Nova S2? I'm looking
    >> to use this with a Linux MythTV box.

    >
    > I'm using a PVR500 and only switched to it recently.
    >
    >> I am quite interested in this card to build a low-cost PVR for the
    >> upcoming FreeView (or whatever it ends up being called) service.

    >
    > It's not that close is it?
    >
    >> I'm also looking at purchasing a STB. Do you have any suggestions?
    >> Strong and Topfield seem to be the most highly recommended of the
    >> options. Yes, I know these come without FreeView certification, but I
    >> don't really care about interactive services... I understand the MHEG5
    >> feature is used overseas to provide annoying on screen advertising, so I
    >> may well be better off without it. I personally find those channel logos
    >> annoying enough :)
    >>
    >> If you have experience with MythTV, do you know if it is possible to
    >> watch TV on one box using the tuner in another? Or does it only support
    >> that for recording?

    >
    > I'm using GBPVR at the moment, but am considering switching the
    > machine to Linux and giving MythTV a go.
    > With GBPVR, from what I understand, you can get the Hauppauge Media
    > MVP and it will connect to your PVR and allow you to do anything you
    > can on the PVR itself, including watching live TV or recordings, or
    > set it to record etc. I haven't actually tried it though. I don't know
    > if you can stream it to another PC though.


    The latest version of GBPVR will work as a client if you look in the
    config settings.
    I use MediaMVP with gbpvr, I like it a lot, but its not so good for
    screen geometry playing divx downloads, but it is fantastic for the pvr
    stuff.
    I have mvpmc that I can boot the mediamvp with too, by using the
    Hauppauge bootserver.
    GBPVR also works with the Microsoft MCE remote

    >
    > I guess there is no reason you couldn't start any card using any
    > system recording onto a network shared HD and play the file on another
    > PC at the same time.
    >
    >
     
    Earl Grey, Dec 12, 2006
    #19
  20. In message <>, JohnO
    wrote:

    >
    > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    >> In message <>, JohnO
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    >> >> In message <>, Craig Shore
    >> >> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> > On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:16:41 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    >> >> > <_zealand> wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >>In message <>,
    >> >> >>JohnO wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>> GBPVR has a smaller set of supported hardware. MythTV seems to
    >> >> >>> work with just about any tv tuner card.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>So the Linux-based system has wider hardware support than the
    >> >> >>Windows-based one?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > ... yes. But that also makes it a lot more difficult to set up.
    >> >>
    >> >> Interesting. I've never heard the "better hardware support means it's
    >> >> harder to set up" argument before.
    >> >
    >> > Some of the tv tuners supported in MythTV required the user to obtain
    >> > code and [compile] it, including kernel code, to make them work.

    >>
    >> As opposed to GB-PVR, where they don't work at all?

    >
    > Incorrect. GBPVR offically supports mpeg hardware encoding cards by
    > philosophy. However the other cards often can be used, and the GBPVR
    > developer even offers some tips to assist with this.


    So are there or are there not cards which are supported by MythTV, but not
    by GB-PVR?

    >> And also KnoppMyth includes all that stuff prepackaged and ready to go,
    >> doesn't it.

    >
    > For some cards but not all. If a new card comes out you need to wait
    > for a driver to come out and if it is kernel mode then you are back to
    > recompiling kernels.


    You don't need to recompile your kernel to add a new driver.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Dec 13, 2006
    #20
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