printed docs bloat to ~5x the size

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Dave - Dave.net.nz, Dec 13, 2004.

  1. Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Dec 13, 2004
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  2. "Dave - Dave.net.nz" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    > when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    > bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    It's/Your not trying to print it as an image?
    Southern Kiwi, Dec 13, 2004
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  3. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    EMB Guest

    Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
    > Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    > when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    > bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    Is it using some bizarre font that isn't native to the printer and thus
    has to be downloaded?

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    EMB, Dec 13, 2004
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  4. Southern Kiwi wrote:
    >>Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    >>when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    >>bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    > It's/Your not trying to print it as an image?


    not as far as I know, but it's not really my area, but Im having a look
    anyway.
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Dec 13, 2004
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  5. EMB wrote:
    >> Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    >> when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    >> bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    > Is it using some bizarre font that isn't native to the printer and thus
    > has to be downloaded?


    All printers are set to replace with device font.
    With the document set to Times New Roman, it is *only* 3.42MB, Arial it
    is 3.78MB.

    I know this may sound like an odd querie, but when users complain that
    it takes 12-15 mins for a print job, I get roped in to "fix" it, even if
    it is their own stupid fault anyway.
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Dec 13, 2004
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  6. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Adder Guest

    In article <> in nz.comp on Tue, 14 Dec
    2004 10:47:07 +1300, Dave - Dave.net.nz <> says...
    > Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    > when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    > bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    contains a compressed image expanded to bitmap on printing at a guess
    Adder, Dec 13, 2004
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  7. Adder wrote:
    >>Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    >>when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    >>bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    > contains a compressed image expanded to bitmap on printing at a guess


    well that might do it, it has three small images in the header of the
    document, although that wouldn't explain why it changes it size so much
    with a font change.

    either way I "fixed" it better...
    I corrected the duplex mismatch on the printer port, so now the docs fly
    through fine as. :)
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Dec 13, 2004
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  8. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    steven Guest

    On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:47:07 +1300, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

    > Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    > when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    > bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    lol that is nothing,

    a few weeks ago when BIT students were finishing off their third year
    projects some sick bastard decided to print off a ~ 90mb graphic from the
    colour lazer printer that was installed in our project room.

    This is while everybody was trying to print off their ~ 500 page 'baseline
    project plan' at the same time.

    nontherless people were wondering why nothing was coming out of the colour
    lazer, it was just sitting there flashing 'data', one of the techies had a
    flash of insperation and had a look at the printers que. he promptly purged
    the 90mb graphic from the que.

    after two weeks of the project room stinking of the smell that eminates
    from lazer printers, several dozen reams of paper, several colour & b/w
    printer toner refills later i found out we managed to chew threw about 3
    grand in two weeks - just on bpp printouts.

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    steven, Dec 13, 2004
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  9. steven wrote:
    >>Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    >>when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    >>bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    > lol that is nothing,


    to you, yes, to me, yes, to the end user waiting for it to print, it is
    a very big thing.

    > a few weeks ago when BIT students were finishing off their third year
    > projects some sick bastard decided to print off a ~ 90mb graphic from the
    > colour lazer printer that was installed in our project room.


    ahhh, the joys of having really big printers with heaps of memory
    available, you just don't get sick of it.

    > nontherless people were wondering why nothing was coming out of the colour
    > lazer, it was just sitting there flashing 'data', one of the techies had a
    > flash of insperation and had a look at the printers que. he promptly purged
    > the 90mb graphic from the que.


    technical people are sometimes the last to look at the obvious things,
    usually because "their gear always works flawlessly", and so they assume
    it must be broken.

    > after two weeks of the project room stinking of the smell that eminates
    > from lazer printers, several dozen reams of paper, several colour & b/w
    > printer toner refills later i found out we managed to chew threw about 3
    > grand in two weeks - just on bpp printouts.


    Joy... I bet the finance dept loved that one.
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Dec 13, 2004
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  10. Dave - Dave.net.nz said the following on 14/12/2004 10:47 a.m.:
    > Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    > when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    > bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    If the print job contains *objects* which the print engine cannot send
    as printer recognized language then it renders it to a *bitmap* for the
    printer. This bloat is very common in Kyrocera drivers and some other
    lesser known laser printers.
    *objects* can be layout controls, images, fonts and many other obscure
    items such as page designations etc.

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    Collector»NZ, Dec 14, 2004
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  11. Collector»NZ wrote:
    >> Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    >> when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    >> bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    > If the print job contains *objects* which the print engine cannot send
    > as printer recognized language then it renders it to a *bitmap* for the
    > printer. This bloat is very common in Kyrocera drivers and some other
    > lesser known laser printers.
    > *objects* can be layout controls, images, fonts and many other obscure
    > items such as page designations etc.


    That would explain it I think... lots of tables with a few images... a
    really ugly document.
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Dec 14, 2004
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  12. Dave - Dave.net.nz said the following on 14/12/2004 1:43 p.m.:
    > Collector»NZ wrote:
    >
    >>> Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    >>> when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    >>> bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?

    >
    >
    >> If the print job contains *objects* which the print engine cannot
    >> send as printer recognized language then it renders it to a *bitmap*
    >> for the printer. This bloat is very common in Kyrocera drivers and
    >> some other lesser known laser printers.
    >> *objects* can be layout controls, images, fonts and many other obscure
    >> items such as page designations etc.

    >
    >
    > That would explain it I think... lots of tables with a few images... a
    > really ugly document.


    I was contract admin for a travel co in Auckland, against my advice they
    purchased a number of Kyrocera lasers to be placed at each workgroup and
    run from a network print spooler over 10 Mb eth.
    All the forms and document templates contained tables and other objects
    that the river would render to bitmap, every doc blaoted to around 5Mb.
    The queues got so large it was a laugh.

    I offered a solution, bring in one of my MS Office specialists to re
    write the documents or replace the printers with HP which didnt have the
    problem.

    I laughed all the way to the bank as i took the cut off the top of the
    contract fee to redesign all the docs, a cost about 10 times the cost of
    throwing the printers and getting new HP. The CEO didnt want to own up
    to ignoring advice and making the mistake and the contract was a new
    expenditure which didnt have the same level of culpability.

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    Collector»NZ, Dec 14, 2004
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  13. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Nomad Damon Guest

    On , , Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:47:07 +1300, printed docs bloat to ~5x
    the size, "Dave - Dave.net.nz" <> wrote:

    >Can anyone explain in simple(laymans) terms, why an 88KByte word doc
    >when printing becomes 4.34MByte print job, and others same size or
    >bigger, dont, and remain as ~90Kbyte print jobs?


    Formatting?
    Nomad Damon, Dec 14, 2004
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