Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Questi

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWVuQw==?=, Dec 10, 2005.

  1. I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my ranting
    before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel free as
    I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from my
    complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the length of
    these first parts of this post before the questions which are essentially
    useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps to get
    to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also hope im
    forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other grammatical
    errors ....

    BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr and
    12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to be
    affordable or avalible to me.

    Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even the
    simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I really
    should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just frequent
    music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    forum a lot... So.. ) :

    Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    into account my configurations and application for 64x)

    hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced into
    making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I will love
    or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename (which might
    not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to people
    now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).


    * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES

    ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    Questions
    --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full version ?

    *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable. If I
    should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the right
    specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components mentioned for
    cheap.

    --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2 800FSB
    Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options for
    Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)

    --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?

    --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not require
    a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.

    -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression of
    my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    decision and less than 48 for the others)


    I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom takes
    time to answer some or all of these questions.


    _________________________________________________________________
    Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x

    its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a 4.xx
    with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::

    Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft also
    has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think its
    linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit Professional
    Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and mid-level
    to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead of
    crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is migrating
    more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first windows
    versions period.

    Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz ...
    in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth (64bit
    offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet, large
    manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ), 24bit
    48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the virtual
    instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down with
    top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as you
    hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital coldness of
    the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as standard
    for CD Audio.

    The Main things Sonar relies on:

    - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones that
    combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar because
    many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it be installed
    on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via mass
    quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or Bluray
    needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a daily
    incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they are
    not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in memory if they
    arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again) ... its
    expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the best
    investment.

    - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware and
    my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card) has
    64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for windows
    recording hardware hands down.

    - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for the
    style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that there are
    rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled plugins), sampling (a
    lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this greatly...
    they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More Ram the Less CPU
    stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU + 25% of the second to
    100% of both when doing something such as Time Stretching or when several
    tracks are involved... the problem also stems from resource hogs like
    anti-virus, services for programs I installed that cant be killed, and
    selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when I'm idle 84% is what I get
    with only the necessary processes before Sonar is run ... Right now even with
    WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol panels in
    the system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes like
    hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax and
    answering machine program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I
    have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost
    never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ...
    nothing changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM usage
    spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when ram
    drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing them
    because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be stopped
    because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I luck out
    and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the process
    ended after explorer crashed as it often does).

    - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated to
    memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good for lots
    of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks with lots
    of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and simeltaneous audio
    playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So in short the more CPU
    the better.

    NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb L2
    Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    Processors.

    I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out of
    them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual 3.80ghz
    or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if AMD becomes
    signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be very biased with
    either brand from what ive read despite AMDs endorsements from never heard of
    b level signed artists/engineers/producers)
    __________________________________________________________________


    Question #1

    I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when buying
    a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if it's
    OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.

    I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am in
    the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to 8 -
    16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5 Producer
    Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and only 64bit
    Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda need to know the
    price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't seem to find it
    anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.

    _________________________________________________________________
    2nd Question.

    I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped shipping
    them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with lights and such.
    Alienware's support team tried talking me into upgrading my motherboard,
    processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron System but it would cost more than
    selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it + maybe
    a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont allow me to
    upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system simply because of
    the different case they are promoting even though the chasis is identical and
    the cooling system fits my system's case (there isnt really much of a
    difference at all). They've given me so much grief over not allowing me to
    upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support tickets to get my warranty
    voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and though the system runs great
    aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware anymore.

    The Current System I have has
    - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively for
    2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense they
    are on resources.
    -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE Channels,
    SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com or under info
    in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed specs..
    - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card

    and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to the
    question.

    Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a Dell
    Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell motherboard
    and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there btw because of the
    cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
    - 1 2.80ghz 2mb L2 800 FSB Pentium Xeon (which I will sell and replace with
    the 2 Xeons from the Alienware)
    - 2GB (2 DIMMS) of DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz (which I will combine with the
    RAM from the Alienware to total 4 for the time being) .. The System can Hold
    16mb total RAM however at the time buying it with that much costs an extra
    $18,000 so we're not going to go that route needless to say.

    - A Free 19 inch Ultra Sharp (i think those are the plasma flatscreens for
    dell) with the computer I plan to sell or to replace my 17inch LCD screen
    with and sell that ... either would make me around 3 or 4 hundred bucks.
    (which makes the system really worth it imo because that money can be put
    into more RAM or other components)

    - 1 160GB SATA 16mb Databurst (what is databurst btw) Cache 7200rpm HD
    - Generic CD Drive I will replace along with the empty slots with my Burners
    from the alienware (which originally came from a Dell Dimension 84000 anyway).

    - The Case is supposively quiet, but ive heard a Dimension XPS before and
    those sound like an F'n Airplane. But I have Vantec Silent Fans I could steal
    out the Alienware and put into the case if needed not like they are expensive
    anyway.

    - It has PCI Express and other high end card slots, I think about the same
    amount as the alienware (several more USB and Firewire ports though).

    - a 2TB Total SATA Storage Capacity

    and plenty of other nice features... I could also go with the Dell Precision
    670 nicknamed with a MT64 after it, no differences other than the options you
    can have installed with the system (such as the maximum amount of RAM,
    different software) except for one reallyyyyy big turn off and thats they
    dont honor the free 19inch with that one just because it's in the catagory
    for large buisnesses instead of Small to Medium Buisnesses. So Instead I'm
    going with the Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 O/S option instead, of
    course I'm going to Dual Boot, and also add another 400GB or maybe a 500GB
    SATA drive or so to my system as well.

    Do you think that buying the dell is worth it or is there a motherboard out
    there that would fit inside the alienware (i beleive the size of the board is
    ATX Extended , Some people have simply called it Full Tower ... Alienware
    refuses to provide me with the dimensions b/c they dont want to assist me in
    voiding my warranty that ends in april ::rolls eyes:: )... Or Lets just say
    Motherboard that will not be a downgrade from either of those system's
    boards. The alienware may be limited to 4GB of Ram but it does have 6 SATA
    ch. , 2 IDE ch., and SLI support ... The Dell has 4 SATA channels im unsure
    about the IDE .. That isnt really important to me anyway, I plan on getting 2
    SATA hot swap bays to make storage of projects and backups easier .. and
    Windows 64bit stuff easier.

    I have searched and Searched for a motherboard compatible with either Dual
    3.80ghz Xeons which run faster than 2.80ghz Dualcore Xeons according to
    benchmarks by many companies including dell, Same for the 3.60ghz Xeons. That
    takes the same Ram type I have and holds at least 8GB - 16GB of RAM .. Has
    the same amount and types of Card Slots as my X2 Motherboard occupied by the
    Delta 1010, Video Card w/ SLI or whatever connecting 2 of them together is
    called if not that, the Soundblaster audigy zs 2, and that does not have less
    USB & Firewire ports than the Alienware b/c I already have to use a USB 2.0
    Hub for certain things that are connected and disconnected often and other
    things that shouldn't be ever disconnected b/c of their consistent use.

    But my searches are either gotten confusing or returned nothing I can use.

    But if I found such a board, I would have plenty of money for other items,
    such as better processors, more ram, and some other cool stuff.

    Or do you think I should simply wait on a new system holding more than 4GB
    of RAM, Keep my Current Alienware System as is, Spend the money on 2 More GB
    of RAM, a few more fast SATA Drives and or the hotswaps, maybe a lightscribe
    compatible burner, and a cooling system that's quieter and universal ??

    I think that with whatever is left over after taking what I need from the
    Alienware to put on the Dell's Board and in whatever case ends up being used
    ... I would basically have another computer sans only RAM and a large HD. I
    could probably make a profit off of buying this sell and selling the left
    overs.

    What do you guys think ?

    I know some of you are far more superior in computer knowledge than myself
    so any help would be greatly valued and appreciated.

    Just keep in mind that Sonar 5 Producer Edition, All of My Hardware I will
    be using, and some other applications (graphic design, photography, etc..)
    would be used in 64bit too ... But I will be heavily using 32bit for Gaming &
    Entertainment ... which is ideal ... I could have a hot Swap, external, or
    internal Drive for Booting up either another Windows 32bit deticated to
    creativity applications, no internet, no resource hogs ... 1 such drive for
    64bit Windows when I need it, both of those Operating systems could acsess my
    storage drives easily ... and Then My Main System, finally my precisious Disk
    0 400GB Drive would be free to be exclusively for everything else without
    interupting my programs that rely on precious CPU and RAM.
    __________________________________________________________________
    3rd Question - Potential Problems w/ RAM, 1MB Cache CPU Q's, and Cooling

    Will using Dual 3.20ghz Xeons with an 1mb cache instead of a 2mb cache make
    a huge difference in 64bit , at least until I can save up the $2000 or so it
    will take to either get Dual Dual-core Xeons, or Dual 3.80ghz Xeons with a
    2mb l2 cache. The Dell doesn't list that it supports a 1mb Cache however I
    have seen plenty for sale on ebay with 1mb Cache processors that are 100%
    legit refurbished systems. And will 4GB in 64bit and the 3GB 32bit uses
    sometimes improve 32bit windows performance noticably at all ? I was also
    warned by Aleinware that there might be potential problems when using more
    than 4GB in a system with 32bit Windows but I think they're full of crap and
    trying to hassel me into the expensive AMD upgrade they want me to take them
    up and overpay them for.

    Considering that I'm looking for more RAM and Higher Processors do you know
    of trustworthy online stores with well priced used or brand new Xeons of
    those types and anywhere that sells my type of ram for cheaper than nearly
    $300 a stick of ECC registered. My Friend who works at infeneon can only get
    me 512mb Dimms for free rarely of the right type, also I have 1 DIMM 1GB
    sticks currently (this will later change when I need 1 Dimm 2GB - 4GB sticks
    to get to 8, 12, or 16 GB of RAM)

    And for my current Xeons and System im considering and or the alienware.
    What is the best cost effective way to keep the system cool and quiet. The
    systems fans and drives are already quiet and acoustic dampening makes them
    inaudible ... But the Fans on my Xeons are so loud they can be picked up in
    an almost soundproof Dead Room / Isolation Booth for recording vocals, amps,
    and acoustic instruments that's about 5 feet away facing the side, part of my
    desk, speakers, and studio monitors inbetween it.... If I use speedfan for
    instance to lower the speed to 50% on each or slightly above they are silent
    but I am afraid to see if the cooling in the case without the 100% fan rate
    on the processors heatsinks will keep them cool enough when using intense
    applications.

    If you have questions about the current cooling of either system im
    considering you can (please do so, I dont want to make this any longer) refer
    to the alienware MJ12 7550i specs and dell percision 670 specs for fans (note
    i cannot upgrade to the liquid cooling system alienware offers despite my
    system being identical, its absurd, its made for my chasis, they just made a
    new case for the same computer and discontinued the option for my case (which
    is bigger, a full tower case, the big alienware signature ones)

    If Fans are the option please elaborate on what fans, where to get them, or
    their name/model. If Liquid cooling is the best option please do so as well
    if you know of any. Or any solution at all is appreciated, I need it to be
    quiet so I dont have to use isolation headphones to listen to music at a
    reasonable level, or have bleedthrough on my mic even in the isolation booth.
    Aside from Quiet it has to be as cool as it can be with the silence. I simply
    don't know where to begin with a solution for this. I can't seem to find a
    specific silent cooling system for a xeon and liquid cooling worried me
    slightly about the chance of a leak. The fans with liquid fillaments seem
    more viable but i think they are AMD exclusive.

    ____________________________________________________________________
    4th Question

    Can you mix DDR2 RAM in mixed pairs i.e. 2 1GB DIMMS , 4 512mb DIMMS, 1 4GB
    DIMM ... And is all DDR2 ram Dual Channel, Dell's tech layout for the
    percision say something about Dual Ranked Ram and lists it DDR2 PC23000 ECC
    SDRAM like that without Dual Channel like other brands, but the specs also
    say it supports Dual Channel DDR2 RAM PC3200 RAM ... One comment on it
    confuses me however maybe you can clear it up for me along with the mixed
    DIMMS.

    _________________________________________________________________
    These last few Questions are rather simple ..

    5) Is this worth buying if its cheaper than the price it takes to purchase
    it at the trial end
    http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows ...izrate&utm_medium=mall&utm_campaign=ZAT-00007
    ... There are also OEM and not OEM 3 versions for $110 on ebay ... all of
    them are legit, but what is the difference ? There are boxed versions at more
    like $400 as well. (and people trying to trick people into windows xp 32bit
    pro with a 64x on the end but the description says it supports computers with
    64bit technology and is really WinXP Pro SP2. Another ploy is trying to pass
    Server 3000 off as 64x WinXP Pro... How dispicable)

    6) I'm not sure if I asked, sorry if I did. Does anyone know if the power
    supply and Dell Dimension 670's motherboard will fit in the alienware MJ12
    7550i's chasis ?

    7) If you found a motherboard for me so buying a new computer isn't
    necessary for swapping parts then can you suggest some cases for it ? Also
    where to look ? Or know if it will fit in my alienware case ATX Extended I
    think is the size reference the chasis is a Full Tower if that helps at all.

    8) If you didnt read the upgrade question and come across this. Do you think
    an upgrade is necessary as far as a new board or PC goes or should I consider
    buying processors and the 2 GB left out of the Maximum 4GB my current system
    has ... as well as drives and acessories ... And wait for the 64bit systems
    to become more mainstream ??? Will 4GB be that big of an improvement for such
    a RAM intensive application im using ?

    9) Where should I look for 64bit drivers besides 64AMD (or whatever that
    sites name is I keep forgetting) , official sites, and for updates such as DX
    plugins being avalible in 64x, Rewire as well, and when mp3s will be able to
    be made in 64x. I beleive only WMA and WAV are supported formats for
    rendering audio in 64x or with Sonar 5 in 64x.

    10) Are there any other brands of computers that are reliable and cheaper
    that may have what im looking for thats equal or a step or so up from the
    system im looking at from dell ?
     
    =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWVuQw==?=, Dec 10, 2005
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    "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    >ranting
    > before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel free
    > as
    > I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from my
    > complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the length
    > of
    > these first parts of this post before the questions which are essentially
    > useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps to
    > get
    > to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also hope
    > im
    > forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other grammatical
    > errors ....
    >
    > BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    > the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr
    > and
    > 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to be
    > affordable or avalible to me.
    >
    > Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even the
    > simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I really
    > should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just frequent
    > music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    > Sonar
    > forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >
    > Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    > answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    > elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    > into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >
    > hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > into
    > making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I will
    > love
    > or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename (which
    > might
    > not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    > people
    > now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    >
    >
    > * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >
    > ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    > Questions
    > --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full version
    > ?
    >
    > *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable. If
    > I
    > should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the right
    > specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components mentioned
    > for
    > cheap.
    >
    > --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    > 800FSB
    > Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options for
    > Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)
    >
    > --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >
    > --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    > require
    > a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >
    > -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression
    > of
    > my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    > decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >
    >
    > I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > takes
    > time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >
    >
    > _________________________________________________________________
    > Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >
    > its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    > arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    > plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    > article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    > used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a 4.xx
    > with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    >
    > Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    > http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    > also
    > has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think its
    > linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit
    > Professional
    > Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    > mid-level
    > to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead of
    > crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    > migrating
    > more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first
    > windows
    > versions period.
    >
    > Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    > ...
    > in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth (64bit
    > offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet, large
    > manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ), 24bit
    > 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the virtual
    > instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down
    > with
    > top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as you
    > hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital coldness
    > of
    > the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as standard
    > for CD Audio.
    >
    > The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >
    > - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    > Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    > Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    > SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    > Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones
    > that
    > combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar because
    > many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it be
    > installed
    > on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via
    > mass
    > quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or
    > Bluray
    > needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    > backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a
    > daily
    > incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they are
    > not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in memory if
    > they
    > arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again) ...
    > its
    > expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the best
    > investment.
    >
    > - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    > certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    > and
    > my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card) has
    > 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for windows
    > recording hardware hands down.
    >
    > - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for the
    > style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that there are
    > rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled plugins), sampling
    > (a
    > lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    > greatly...
    > they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More Ram the Less
    > CPU
    > stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU + 25% of the second to
    > 100% of both when doing something such as Time Stretching or when several
    > tracks are involved... the problem also stems from resource hogs like
    > anti-virus, services for programs I installed that cant be killed, and
    > selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when I'm idle 84% is what I
    > get
    > with only the necessary processes before Sonar is run ... Right now even
    > with
    > WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol panels
    > in
    > the system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes
    > like
    > hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax
    > and
    > answering machine program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I
    > have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost
    > never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ...
    > nothing changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM
    > usage
    > spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when
    > ram
    > drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing them
    > because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be stopped
    > because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I luck
    > out
    > and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the process
    > ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    >
    > - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    > stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated to
    > memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good for
    > lots
    > of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks with
    > lots
    > of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and simeltaneous audio
    > playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So in short the more
    > CPU
    > the better.
    >
    > NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    > benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    > each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb
    > L2
    > Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    > Processors.
    >
    > I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out
    > of
    > them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    > 3.80ghz
    > or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if AMD becomes
    > signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be very biased
    > with
    > either brand from what ive read despite AMDs endorsements from never heard
    > of
    > b level signed artists/engineers/producers)
    > __________________________________________________________________
    >
    >
    > Question #1
    >
    > I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    > buying
    > a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    > it's
    > OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    >
    > I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    > in
    > the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to 8 -
    > 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    > Producer
    > Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and only 64bit
    > Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda need to know
    > the
    > price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't seem to find it
    > anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    >
    > _________________________________________________________________
    > 2nd Question.
    >
    > I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped shipping
    > them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with lights and such.
    > Alienware's support team tried talking me into upgrading my motherboard,
    > processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron System but it would cost more
    > than
    > selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it +
    > maybe
    > a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont allow me
    > to
    > upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system simply because of
    > the different case they are promoting even though the chasis is identical
    > and
    > the cooling system fits my system's case (there isnt really much of a
    > difference at all). They've given me so much grief over not allowing me to
    > upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support tickets to get my warranty
    > voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and though the system runs great
    > aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware anymore.
    >
    > The Current System I have has
    > - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    > - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    > - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    > for
    > 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense they
    > are on resources.
    > -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    > (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    > - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    > - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    > Channels,
    > SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com or under
    > info
    > in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed specs..
    > - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    > - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    > - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    >
    > and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to the
    > question.
    >
    > Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    > Dell
    > Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    > motherboard
    > and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there btw because of
    > the
    > cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
    > - 1 2.80ghz 2mb L2 800 FSB Pentium Xeon (which I will sell and replace
    > with
    > the 2 Xeons from the Alienware)
    > - 2GB (2 DIMMS) of DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz (which I will combine with the
    > RAM from the Alienware to total 4 for the time being) .. The System can
    > Hold
    > 16mb total RAM however at the time buying it with that much costs an extra
    > $18,000 so we're not going to go that route needless to say.
    >
    > - A Free 19 inch Ultra Sharp (i think those are the plasma flatscreens for
    > dell) with the computer I plan to sell or to replace my 17inch LCD screen
    > with and sell that ... either would make me around 3 or 4 hundred bucks.
    > (which makes the system really worth it imo because that money can be put
    > into more RAM or other components)
    >
    > - 1 160GB SATA 16mb Databurst (what is databurst btw) Cache 7200rpm HD
    > - Generic CD Drive I will replace along with the empty slots with my
    > Burners
    > from the alienware (which originally came from a Dell Dimension 84000
    > anyway).
    >
    > - The Case is supposively quiet, but ive heard a Dimension XPS before and
    > those sound like an F'n Airplane. But I have Vantec Silent Fans I could
    > steal
    > out the Alienware and put into the case if needed not like they are
    > expensive
    > anyway.
    >
    > - It has PCI Express and other high end card slots, I think about the same
    > amount as the alienware (several more USB and Firewire ports though).
    >
    > - a 2TB Total SATA Storage Capacity
    >
    > and plenty of other nice features... I could also go with the Dell
    > Precision
    > 670 nicknamed with a MT64 after it, no differences other than the options
    > you
    > can have installed with the system (such as the maximum amount of RAM,
    > different software) except for one reallyyyyy big turn off and thats they
    > dont honor the free 19inch with that one just because it's in the catagory
    > for large buisnesses instead of Small to Medium Buisnesses. So Instead I'm
    > going with the Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 O/S option instead,
    > of
    > course I'm going to Dual Boot, and also add another 400GB or maybe a 500GB
    > SATA drive or so to my system as well.
    >
    > Do you think that buying the dell is worth it or is there a motherboard
    > out
    > there that would fit inside the alienware (i beleive the size of the board
    > is
    > ATX Extended , Some people have simply called it Full Tower ... Alienware
    > refuses to provide me with the dimensions b/c they dont want to assist me
    > in
    > voiding my warranty that ends in april ::rolls eyes:: )... Or Lets just
    > say
    > Motherboard that will not be a downgrade from either of those system's
    > boards. The alienware may be limited to 4GB of Ram but it does have 6 SATA
    > ch. , 2 IDE ch., and SLI support ... The Dell has 4 SATA channels im
    > unsure
    > about the IDE .. That isnt really important to me anyway, I plan on
    > getting 2
    > SATA hot swap bays to make storage of projects and backups easier .. and
    > Windows 64bit stuff easier.
    >
    > I have searched and Searched for a motherboard compatible with either Dual
    > 3.80ghz Xeons which run faster than 2.80ghz Dualcore Xeons according to
    > benchmarks by many companies including dell, Same for the 3.60ghz Xeons.
    > That
    > takes the same Ram type I have and holds at least 8GB - 16GB of RAM .. Has
    > the same amount and types of Card Slots as my X2 Motherboard occupied by
    > the
    > Delta 1010, Video Card w/ SLI or whatever connecting 2 of them together is
    > called if not that, the Soundblaster audigy zs 2, and that does not have
    > less
    > USB & Firewire ports than the Alienware b/c I already have to use a USB
    > 2.0
    > Hub for certain things that are connected and disconnected often and other
    > things that shouldn't be ever disconnected b/c of their consistent use.
    >
    > But my searches are either gotten confusing or returned nothing I can use.
    >
    > But if I found such a board, I would have plenty of money for other items,
    > such as better processors, more ram, and some other cool stuff.
    >
    > Or do you think I should simply wait on a new system holding more than 4GB
    > of RAM, Keep my Current Alienware System as is, Spend the money on 2 More
    > GB
    > of RAM, a few more fast SATA Drives and or the hotswaps, maybe a
    > lightscribe
    > compatible burner, and a cooling system that's quieter and universal ??
    >
    > I think that with whatever is left over after taking what I need from the
    > Alienware to put on the Dell's Board and in whatever case ends up being
    > used
    > .. I would basically have another computer sans only RAM and a large HD. I
    > could probably make a profit off of buying this sell and selling the left
    > overs.
    >
    > What do you guys think ?
    >
    > I know some of you are far more superior in computer knowledge than myself
    > so any help would be greatly valued and appreciated.
    >
    > Just keep in mind that Sonar 5 Producer Edition, All of My Hardware I will
    > be using, and some other applications (graphic design, photography, etc..)
    > would be used in 64bit too ... But I will be heavily using 32bit for
    > Gaming &
    > Entertainment ... which is ideal ... I could have a hot Swap, external, or
    > internal Drive for Booting up either another Windows 32bit deticated to
    > creativity applications, no internet, no resource hogs ... 1 such drive
    > for
    > 64bit Windows when I need it, both of those Operating systems could acsess
    > my
    > storage drives easily ... and Then My Main System, finally my precisious
    > Disk
    > 0 400GB Drive would be free to be exclusively for everything else without
    > interupting my programs that rely on precious CPU and RAM.
    > __________________________________________________________________
    > 3rd Question - Potential Problems w/ RAM, 1MB Cache CPU Q's, and Cooling
    >
    > Will using Dual 3.20ghz Xeons with an 1mb cache instead of a 2mb cache
    > make
    > a huge difference in 64bit , at least until I can save up the $2000 or so
    > it
    > will take to either get Dual Dual-core Xeons, or Dual 3.80ghz Xeons with a
    > 2mb l2 cache. The Dell doesn't list that it supports a 1mb Cache however I
    > have seen plenty for sale on ebay with 1mb Cache processors that are 100%
    > legit refurbished systems. And will 4GB in 64bit and the 3GB 32bit uses
    > sometimes improve 32bit windows performance noticably at all ? I was also
    > warned by Aleinware that there might be potential problems when using more
    > than 4GB in a system with 32bit Windows but I think they're full of crap
    > and
    > trying to hassel me into the expensive AMD upgrade they want me to take
    > them
    > up and overpay them for.
    >
    > Considering that I'm looking for more RAM and Higher Processors do you
    > know
    > of trustworthy online stores with well priced used or brand new Xeons of
    > those types and anywhere that sells my type of ram for cheaper than nearly
    > $300 a stick of ECC registered. My Friend who works at infeneon can only
    > get
    > me 512mb Dimms for free rarely of the right type, also I have 1 DIMM 1GB
    > sticks currently (this will later change when I need 1 Dimm 2GB - 4GB
    > sticks
    > to get to 8, 12, or 16 GB of RAM)
    >
    > And for my current Xeons and System im considering and or the alienware.
    > What is the best cost effective way to keep the system cool and quiet. The
    > systems fans and drives are already quiet and acoustic dampening makes
    > them
    > inaudible ... But the Fans on my Xeons are so loud they can be picked up
    > in
    > an almost soundproof Dead Room / Isolation Booth for recording vocals,
    > amps,
    > and acoustic instruments that's about 5 feet away facing the side, part of
    > my
    > desk, speakers, and studio monitors inbetween it.... If I use speedfan for
    > instance to lower the speed to 50% on each or slightly above they are
    > silent
    > but I am afraid to see if the cooling in the case without the 100% fan
    > rate
    > on the processors heatsinks will keep them cool enough when using intense
    > applications.
    >
    > If you have questions about the current cooling of either system im
    > considering you can (please do so, I dont want to make this any longer)
    > refer
    > to the alienware MJ12 7550i specs and dell percision 670 specs for fans
    > (note
    > i cannot upgrade to the liquid cooling system alienware offers despite my
    > system being identical, its absurd, its made for my chasis, they just made
    > a
    > new case for the same computer and discontinued the option for my case
    > (which
    > is bigger, a full tower case, the big alienware signature ones)
    >
    > If Fans are the option please elaborate on what fans, where to get them,
    > or
    > their name/model. If Liquid cooling is the best option please do so as
    > well
    > if you know of any. Or any solution at all is appreciated, I need it to be
    > quiet so I dont have to use isolation headphones to listen to music at a
    > reasonable level, or have bleedthrough on my mic even in the isolation
    > booth.
    > Aside from Quiet it has to be as cool as it can be with the silence. I
    > simply
    > don't know where to begin with a solution for this. I can't seem to find a
    > specific silent cooling system for a xeon and liquid cooling worried me
    > slightly about the chance of a leak. The fans with liquid fillaments seem
    > more viable but i think they are AMD exclusive.
    >
    > ____________________________________________________________________
    > 4th Question
    >
    > Can you mix DDR2 RAM in mixed pairs i.e. 2 1GB DIMMS , 4 512mb DIMMS, 1
    > 4GB
    > DIMM ... And is all DDR2 ram Dual Channel, Dell's tech layout for the
    > percision say something about Dual Ranked Ram and lists it DDR2 PC23000
    > ECC
    > SDRAM like that without Dual Channel like other brands, but the specs also
    > say it supports Dual Channel DDR2 RAM PC3200 RAM ... One comment on it
    > confuses me however maybe you can clear it up for me along with the mixed
    > DIMMS.
    >
    > _________________________________________________________________
    > These last few Questions are rather simple ..
    >
    > 5) Is this worth buying if its cheaper than the price it takes to purchase
    > it at the trial end
    > http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows ...izrate&utm_medium=mall&utm_campaign=ZAT-00007
    > ... There are also OEM and not OEM 3 versions for $110 on ebay ... all of
    > them are legit, but what is the difference ? There are boxed versions at
    > more
    > like $400 as well. (and people trying to trick people into windows xp
    > 32bit
    > pro with a 64x on the end but the description says it supports computers
    > with
    > 64bit technology and is really WinXP Pro SP2. Another ploy is trying to
    > pass
    > Server 3000 off as 64x WinXP Pro... How dispicable)
    >
    > 6) I'm not sure if I asked, sorry if I did. Does anyone know if the power
    > supply and Dell Dimension 670's motherboard will fit in the alienware MJ12
    > 7550i's chasis ?
    >
    > 7) If you found a motherboard for me so buying a new computer isn't
    > necessary for swapping parts then can you suggest some cases for it ? Also
    > where to look ? Or know if it will fit in my alienware case ATX Extended I
    > think is the size reference the chasis is a Full Tower if that helps at
    > all.
    >
    > 8) If you didnt read the upgrade question and come across this. Do you
    > think
    > an upgrade is necessary as far as a new board or PC goes or should I
    > consider
    > buying processors and the 2 GB left out of the Maximum 4GB my current
    > system
    > has ... as well as drives and acessories ... And wait for the 64bit
    > systems
    > to become more mainstream ??? Will 4GB be that big of an improvement for
    > such
    > a RAM intensive application im using ?
    >
    > 9) Where should I look for 64bit drivers besides 64AMD (or whatever that
    > sites name is I keep forgetting) , official sites, and for updates such as
    > DX
    > plugins being avalible in 64x, Rewire as well, and when mp3s will be able
    > to
    > be made in 64x. I beleive only WMA and WAV are supported formats for
    > rendering audio in 64x or with Sonar 5 in 64x.
    >
    > 10) Are there any other brands of computers that are reliable and cheaper
    > that may have what im looking for thats equal or a step or so up from the
    > system im looking at from dell ?
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Dec 10, 2005
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    DavienC wrote:
    > I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    > ranting before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end....
    > (feel free as I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good
    > laugh from my complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also
    > for the length of these first parts of this post before the questions
    > which are essentially useless except for the table of contents so you can
    > use "Find" perhaps to get to a question easier and know what its about
    > beforehand .... I also hope im forgiven for long sections with runalong
    > scentences and other grammatical errors ....
    >
    > BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    > the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr
    > and 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below
    > to be affordable or avalible to me.
    >
    > Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even the
    > simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I really
    > should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just frequent
    > music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    > Sonar forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >
    > Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    > answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    > elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    > into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >
    > hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > into making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    > will love or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your
    > screename (which might not be long unless I stay here posting with what
    > help I may offer to people now or in the future or one of the article
    > writers answers me lol).
    >
    >
    > * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >
    > ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    > Questions
    > --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    > version ?
    >
    > *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable.
    > If I should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the
    > right specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    > mentioned for cheap.
    >
    > --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    > 800FSB Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling
    > Options for Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more
    > intense)
    >
    > --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >
    > --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    > require a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >
    > -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression
    > of my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    > decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >
    >
    > I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > takes time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >
    >
    > _________________________________________________________________
    > Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >
    > its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    > arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    > plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    > article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    > used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a 4.xx
    > with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    >
    > Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    > http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    > also has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I
    > think its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only
    > 64bit Professional Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio
    > version) and mid-level to million dollar major label rented or owned
    > studios with PCs instead of crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment,
    > hence why protools is migrating more to windows than it has since the 90s
    > and its fairly recent first windows versions period.
    >
    > Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    > ... in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth
    > (64bit offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on
    > yet, large manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring (
    > ; ), 24bit 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of
    > the virtual instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is
    > dithered down with top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of
    > that quality (as you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the
    > extreme digital coldness of the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or
    > broadcast .wav format as standard for CD Audio.
    >
    > The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >
    > - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    > Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    > Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    > SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    > Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones
    > that combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    > because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it
    > be installed on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So
    > backups via mass quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer
    > seriously or Bluray needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk
    > drive exclusive for backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough
    > space to hold a daily incremental or other style of backup of only your
    > audio projects, they are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas
    > will stick in memory if they arent frequently heard and the perfect take
    > may never happen again) ... its expensive for datarecovery from a bad
    > disk .. and prevention is the best investment.
    >
    > - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    > certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    > and my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card)
    > has 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    > windows recording hardware hands down.
    >
    > - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for the
    > style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that there are
    > rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled plugins), sampling
    > (a lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    > greatly... they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More
    > Ram the Less CPU stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU +
    > 25% of the second to 100% of both when doing something such as Time
    > Stretching or when several tracks are involved... the problem also stems
    > from resource hogs like anti-virus, services for programs I installed
    > that cant be killed, and selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when
    > I'm idle 84% is what I get with only the necessary processes before Sonar
    > is run ... Right now even with WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster
    > and the Delta's contyrol panels in the system tray, diskeepers service,
    > AOL's stupid unkillable processes like hostmanager, port magic, my
    > lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax and answering machine
    > program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I have 83% RAM
    > Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost never use the
    > Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ... nothing
    > changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM usage
    > spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when
    > ram drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing
    > them because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be
    > stopped because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless
    > I luck out and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure
    > the process ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    >
    > - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    > stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated to
    > memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good for
    > lots of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks
    > with lots of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and
    > simeltaneous audio playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So
    > in short the more CPU the better.
    >
    > NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    > benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    > each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb
    > L2 Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    > Processors.
    >
    > I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out
    > of them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    > 3.80ghz or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if
    > AMD becomes signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be
    > very biased with either brand from what ive read despite AMDs
    > endorsements from never heard of b level signed
    > artists/engineers/producers)
    > __________________________________________________________________
    >
    >
    > Question #1
    >
    > I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    > buying
    > a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    > it's OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    >
    > I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    > in the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to
    > 8 - 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    > Producer Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and
    > only 64bit Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda
    > need to know the price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't
    > seem to find it anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    >
    > _________________________________________________________________
    > 2nd Question.
    >
    > I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped shipping
    > them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with lights and such.
    > Alienware's support team tried talking me into upgrading my motherboard,
    > processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron System but it would cost more
    > than selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it
    > + maybe a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont
    > allow me to upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system
    > simply because of the different case they are promoting even though the
    > chasis is identical and the cooling system fits my system's case (there
    > isnt really much of a difference at all). They've given me so much grief
    > over not allowing me to upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support
    > tickets to get my warranty voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and
    > though the system runs great aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot
    > stand Alienware anymore.
    >
    > The Current System I have has
    > - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    > - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    > - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    > for 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense
    > they are on resources.
    > -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    > (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    > - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    > - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    > Channels, SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com
    > or under info in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed
    > specs..
    > - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    > - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    > - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    >
    > and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to the
    > question.
    >
    > Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    > Dell Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    > motherboard and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there
    > btw because of the cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
    > - 1 2.80ghz 2mb L2 800 FSB Pentium Xeon (which I will sell and replace
    > with the 2 Xeons from the Alienware)
    > - 2GB (2 DIMMS) of DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz (which I will combine with the
    > RAM from the Alienware to total 4 for the time being) .. The System can
    > Hold 16mb total RAM however at the time buying it with that much costs an
    > extra $18,000 so we're not going to go that route needless to say.
    >
    > - A Free 19 inch Ultra Sharp (i think those are the plasma flatscreens for
    > dell) with the computer I plan to sell or to replace my 17inch LCD screen
    > with and sell that ... either would make me around 3 or 4 hundred bucks.
    > (which makes the system really worth it imo because that money can be put
    > into more RAM or other components)
    >
    > - 1 160GB SATA 16mb Databurst (what is databurst btw) Cache 7200rpm HD
    > - Generic CD Drive I will replace along with the empty slots with my
    > Burners from the alienware (which originally came from a Dell Dimension
    > 84000 anyway).
    >
    > - The Case is supposively quiet, but ive heard a Dimension XPS before and
    > those sound like an F'n Airplane. But I have Vantec Silent Fans I could
    > steal out the Alienware and put into the case if needed not like they are
    > expensive anyway.
    >
    > - It has PCI Express and other high end card slots, I think about the same
    > amount as the alienware (several more USB and Firewire ports though).
    >
    > - a 2TB Total SATA Storage Capacity
    >
    > and plenty of other nice features... I could also go with the Dell
    > Precision 670 nicknamed with a MT64 after it, no differences other than
    > the options you can have installed with the system (such as the maximum
    > amount of RAM, different software) except for one reallyyyyy big turn off
    > and thats they dont honor the free 19inch with that one just because it's
    > in the catagory for large buisnesses instead of Small to Medium
    > Buisnesses. So Instead I'm going with the Windows XP Professional Service
    > Pack 2 O/S option instead, of course I'm going to Dual Boot, and also add
    > another 400GB or maybe a 500GB SATA drive or so to my system as well.
    >
    > Do you think that buying the dell is worth it or is there a motherboard
    > out there that would fit inside the alienware (i beleive the size of the
    > board is ATX Extended , Some people have simply called it Full Tower ...
    > Alienware refuses to provide me with the dimensions b/c they dont want to
    > assist me in voiding my warranty that ends in april ::rolls eyes:: )...
    > Or Lets just say Motherboard that will not be a downgrade from either of
    > those system's boards. The alienware may be limited to 4GB of Ram but it
    > does have 6 SATA ch. , 2 IDE ch., and SLI support ... The Dell has 4
    > SATA channels im unsure about the IDE .. That isnt really important to me
    > anyway, I plan on getting 2 SATA hot swap bays to make storage of
    > projects and backups easier .. and Windows 64bit stuff easier.
    >
    > I have searched and Searched for a motherboard compatible with either Dual
    > 3.80ghz Xeons which run faster than 2.80ghz Dualcore Xeons according to
    > benchmarks by many companies including dell, Same for the 3.60ghz Xeons.
    > That takes the same Ram type I have and holds at least 8GB - 16GB of RAM
    > .. Has the same amount and types of Card Slots as my X2 Motherboard
    > occupied by the Delta 1010, Video Card w/ SLI or whatever connecting 2 of
    > them together is called if not that, the Soundblaster audigy zs 2, and
    > that does not have less USB & Firewire ports than the Alienware b/c I
    > already have to use a USB 2.0 Hub for certain things that are connected
    > and disconnected often and other things that shouldn't be ever
    > disconnected b/c of their consistent use.
    >
    > But my searches are either gotten confusing or returned nothing I can use.
    >
    > But if I found such a board, I would have plenty of money for other items,
    > such as better processors, more ram, and some other cool stuff.
    >
    > Or do you think I should simply wait on a new system holding more than 4GB
    > of RAM, Keep my Current Alienware System as is, Spend the money on 2 More
    > GB of RAM, a few more fast SATA Drives and or the hotswaps, maybe a
    > lightscribe compatible burner, and a cooling system that's quieter and
    > universal ??
    >
    > I think that with whatever is left over after taking what I need from the
    > Alienware to put on the Dell's Board and in whatever case ends up being
    > used .. I would basically have another computer sans only RAM and a large
    > HD. I could probably make a profit off of buying this sell and selling
    > the left overs.
    >
    > What do you guys think ?
    >
    > I know some of you are far more superior in computer knowledge than myself
    > so any help would be greatly valued and appreciated.
    >
    > Just keep in mind that Sonar 5 Producer Edition, All of My Hardware I will
    > be using, and some other applications (graphic design, photography, etc..)
    > would be used in 64bit too ... But I will be heavily using 32bit for
    > Gaming & Entertainment ... which is ideal ... I could have a hot Swap,
    > external, or internal Drive for Booting up either another Windows 32bit
    > deticated to creativity applications, no internet, no resource hogs ... 1
    > such drive for 64bit Windows when I need it, both of those Operating
    > systems could acsess my storage drives easily ... and Then My Main
    > System, finally my precisious Disk 0 400GB Drive would be free to be
    > exclusively for everything else without interupting my programs that rely
    > on precious CPU and RAM.
    > __________________________________________________________________ 3rd
    > Question - Potential Problems w/ RAM, 1MB Cache CPU Q's, and Cooling
    >
    > Will using Dual 3.20ghz Xeons with an 1mb cache instead of a 2mb cache
    > make
    > a huge difference in 64bit , at least until I can save up the $2000 or so
    > it will take to either get Dual Dual-core Xeons, or Dual 3.80ghz Xeons
    > with a 2mb l2 cache. The Dell doesn't list that it supports a 1mb Cache
    > however I have seen plenty for sale on ebay with 1mb Cache processors
    > that are 100% legit refurbished systems. And will 4GB in 64bit and the
    > 3GB 32bit uses sometimes improve 32bit windows performance noticably at
    > all ? I was also warned by Aleinware that there might be potential
    > problems when using more than 4GB in a system with 32bit Windows but I
    > think they're full of crap and trying to hassel me into the expensive AMD
    > upgrade they want me to take them up and overpay them for.
    >
    > Considering that I'm looking for more RAM and Higher Processors do you
    > know of trustworthy online stores with well priced used or brand new
    > Xeons of those types and anywhere that sells my type of ram for cheaper
    > than nearly $300 a stick of ECC registered. My Friend who works at
    > infeneon can only get me 512mb Dimms for free rarely of the right type,
    > also I have 1 DIMM 1GB sticks currently (this will later change when I
    > need 1 Dimm 2GB - 4GB sticks to get to 8, 12, or 16 GB of RAM)
    >
    > And for my current Xeons and System im considering and or the alienware.
    > What is the best cost effective way to keep the system cool and quiet. The
    > systems fans and drives are already quiet and acoustic dampening makes
    > them inaudible ... But the Fans on my Xeons are so loud they can be
    > picked up in an almost soundproof Dead Room / Isolation Booth for
    > recording vocals, amps, and acoustic instruments that's about 5 feet away
    > facing the side, part of my desk, speakers, and studio monitors inbetween
    > it.... If I use speedfan for instance to lower the speed to 50% on each
    > or slightly above they are silent but I am afraid to see if the cooling
    > in the case without the 100% fan rate on the processors heatsinks will
    > keep them cool enough when using intense applications.
    >
    > If you have questions about the current cooling of either system im
    > considering you can (please do so, I dont want to make this any longer)
    > refer to the alienware MJ12 7550i specs and dell percision 670 specs for
    > fans (note i cannot upgrade to the liquid cooling system alienware offers
    > despite my system being identical, its absurd, its made for my chasis,
    > they just made a new case for the same computer and discontinued the
    > option for my case (which is bigger, a full tower case, the big alienware
    > signature ones)
    >
    > If Fans are the option please elaborate on what fans, where to get them,
    > or their name/model. If Liquid cooling is the best option please do so
    > as well if you know of any. Or any solution at all is appreciated, I need
    > it to be quiet so I dont have to use isolation headphones to listen to
    > music at a reasonable level, or have bleedthrough on my mic even in the
    > isolation booth. Aside from Quiet it has to be as cool as it can be with
    > the silence. I simply don't know where to begin with a solution for this.
    > I can't seem to find a specific silent cooling system for a xeon and
    > liquid cooling worried me slightly about the chance of a leak. The fans
    > with liquid fillaments seem more viable but i think they are AMD
    > exclusive.
    >
    > ____________________________________________________________________
    > 4th Question
    >
    > Can you mix DDR2 RAM in mixed pairs i.e. 2 1GB DIMMS , 4 512mb DIMMS, 1
    > 4GB DIMM ... And is all DDR2 ram Dual Channel, Dell's tech layout for the
    > percision say something about Dual Ranked Ram and lists it DDR2 PC23000
    > ECC SDRAM like that without Dual Channel like other brands, but the specs
    > also say it supports Dual Channel DDR2 RAM PC3200 RAM ... One comment on
    > it confuses me however maybe you can clear it up for me along with the
    > mixed DIMMS.
    >
    > _________________________________________________________________
    > These last few Questions are rather simple ..
    >
    > 5) Is this worth buying if its cheaper than the price it takes to purchase
    > it at the trial end
    > http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows ...izrate&utm_medium=mall&utm_campaign=ZAT-00007
    > ... There are also OEM and not OEM 3 versions for $110 on ebay ... all of
    > them are legit, but what is the difference ? There are boxed versions at
    > more like $400 as well. (and people trying to trick people into windows
    > xp 32bit pro with a 64x on the end but the description says it supports
    > computers with 64bit technology and is really WinXP Pro SP2. Another ploy
    > is trying to pass Server 3000 off as 64x WinXP Pro... How dispicable)
    >
    > 6) I'm not sure if I asked, sorry if I did. Does anyone know if the power
    > supply and Dell Dimension 670's motherboard will fit in the alienware MJ12
    > 7550i's chasis ?
    >
    > 7) If you found a motherboard for me so buying a new computer isn't
    > necessary for swapping parts then can you suggest some cases for it ? Also
    > where to look ? Or know if it will fit in my alienware case ATX Extended I
    > think is the size reference the chasis is a Full Tower if that helps at
    > all.
    >
    > 8) If you didnt read the upgrade question and come across this. Do you
    > think an upgrade is necessary as far as a new board or PC goes or should
    > I consider buying processors and the 2 GB left out of the Maximum 4GB my
    > current system has ... as well as drives and acessories ... And wait for
    > the 64bit systems to become more mainstream ??? Will 4GB be that big of
    > an improvement for such a RAM intensive application im using ?
    >
    > 9) Where should I look for 64bit drivers besides 64AMD (or whatever that
    > sites name is I keep forgetting) , official sites, and for updates such
    > as DX plugins being avalible in 64x, Rewire as well, and when mp3s will
    > be able to be made in 64x. I beleive only WMA and WAV are supported
    > formats for rendering audio in 64x or with Sonar 5 in 64x.
    >
    > 10) Are there any other brands of computers that are reliable and cheaper
    > that may have what im looking for thats equal or a step or so up from the
    > system im looking at from dell ?
     
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    "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in message
    news:%234dquGa$...
    > You are not gonna get any answers with this. If the Trial expires,
    > purchase the full OEM version, boot from the CD and do a repair upgrade
    > after accepting the F8 License agreement.
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    > Andre
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    > "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    >>ranting
    >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel
    >> free as
    >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from my
    >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the length
    >> of
    >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are essentially
    >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps to
    >> get
    >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also hope
    >> im
    >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other grammatical
    >> errors ....
    >>
    >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr
    >> and
    >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to be
    >> affordable or avalible to me.
    >>
    >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    >> the
    >> simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I really
    >> should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just
    >> frequent
    >> music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    >> Sonar
    >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >>
    >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >>
    >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    >> into
    >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I will
    >> love
    >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename (which
    >> might
    >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    >> people
    >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    >>
    >>
    >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >>
    >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    >> Questions
    >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    >> version ?
    >>
    >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable.
    >> If I
    >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the right
    >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components mentioned
    >> for
    >> cheap.
    >>
    >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    >> 800FSB
    >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options for
    >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)
    >>
    >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >>
    >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    >> require
    >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >>
    >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression
    >> of
    >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >>
    >>
    >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    >> takes
    >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >>
    >>
    >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >>
    >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a
    >> 4.xx
    >> with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    >>
    >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    >> also
    >> has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think
    >> its
    >> linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit
    >> Professional
    >> Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    >> mid-level
    >> to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead of
    >> crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    >> migrating
    >> more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first
    >> windows
    >> versions period.
    >>
    >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    >> ...
    >> in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth (64bit
    >> offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet, large
    >> manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ), 24bit
    >> 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the virtual
    >> instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down
    >> with
    >> top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as
    >> you
    >> hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital coldness
    >> of
    >> the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as
    >> standard
    >> for CD Audio.
    >>
    >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >>
    >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones
    >> that
    >> combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    >> because
    >> many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it be
    >> installed
    >> on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via
    >> mass
    >> quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or
    >> Bluray
    >> needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    >> backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a
    >> daily
    >> incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they
    >> are
    >> not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in memory if
    >> they
    >> arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again) ...
    >> its
    >> expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the best
    >> investment.
    >>
    >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    >> and
    >> my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card) has
    >> 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    >> windows
    >> recording hardware hands down.
    >>
    >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for
    >> the
    >> style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that there are
    >> rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled plugins), sampling
    >> (a
    >> lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    >> greatly...
    >> they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More Ram the Less
    >> CPU
    >> stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU + 25% of the second
    >> to
    >> 100% of both when doing something such as Time Stretching or when
    >> several
    >> tracks are involved... the problem also stems from resource hogs like
    >> anti-virus, services for programs I installed that cant be killed, and
    >> selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when I'm idle 84% is what I
    >> get
    >> with only the necessary processes before Sonar is run ... Right now even
    >> with
    >> WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol
    >> panels in
    >> the system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes
    >> like
    >> hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax
    >> and
    >> answering machine program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I
    >> have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost
    >> never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ...
    >> nothing changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM
    >> usage
    >> spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when
    >> ram
    >> drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing them
    >> because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be stopped
    >> because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I luck
    >> out
    >> and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the
    >> process
    >> ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    >>
    >> - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    >> stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated
    >> to
    >> memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good for
    >> lots
    >> of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks with
    >> lots
    >> of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and simeltaneous
    >> audio
    >> playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So in short the more
    >> CPU
    >> the better.
    >>
    >> NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    >> benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    >> each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb
    >> L2
    >> Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    >> Processors.
    >>
    >> I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out
    >> of
    >> them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    >> 3.80ghz
    >> or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if AMD
    >> becomes
    >> signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be very biased
    >> with
    >> either brand from what ive read despite AMDs endorsements from never
    >> heard of
    >> b level signed artists/engineers/producers)
    >> __________________________________________________________________
    >>
    >>
    >> Question #1
    >>
    >> I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    >> buying
    >> a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    >> it's
    >> OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    >>
    >> I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    >> in
    >> the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to 8 -
    >> 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    >> Producer
    >> Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and only 64bit
    >> Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda need to know
    >> the
    >> price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't seem to find it
    >> anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    >>
    >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> 2nd Question.
    >>
    >> I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped
    >> shipping
    >> them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with lights and
    >> such.
    >> Alienware's support team tried talking me into upgrading my motherboard,
    >> processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron System but it would cost more
    >> than
    >> selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it +
    >> maybe
    >> a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont allow me
    >> to
    >> upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system simply because
    >> of
    >> the different case they are promoting even though the chasis is identical
    >> and
    >> the cooling system fits my system's case (there isnt really much of a
    >> difference at all). They've given me so much grief over not allowing me
    >> to
    >> upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support tickets to get my
    >> warranty
    >> voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and though the system runs
    >> great
    >> aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware anymore.
    >>
    >> The Current System I have has
    >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    >> - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    >> for
    >> 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense
    >> they
    >> are on resources.
    >> -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    >> (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    >> - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    >> - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    >> Channels,
    >> SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com or under
    >> info
    >> in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed specs..
    >> - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    >> - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    >> - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    >>
    >> and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to
    >> the
    >> question.
    >>
    >> Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    >> Dell
    >> Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    >> motherboard
    >> and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there btw because of
    >> the
    >> cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
    >> - 1 2.80ghz 2mb L2 800 FSB Pentium Xeon (which I will sell and replace
    >> with
    >> the 2 Xeons from the Alienware)
    >> - 2GB (2 DIMMS) of DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz (which I will combine with
    >> the
    >> RAM from the Alienware to total 4 for the time being) .. The System can
    >> Hold
    >> 16mb total RAM however at the time buying it with that much costs an
    >> extra
    >> $18,000 so we're not going to go that route needless to say.
    >>
    >> - A Free 19 inch Ultra Sharp (i think those are the plasma flatscreens
    >> for
    >> dell) with the computer I plan to sell or to replace my 17inch LCD screen
    >> with and sell that ... either would make me around 3 or 4 hundred bucks.
    >> (which makes the system really worth it imo because that money can be put
    >> into more RAM or other components)
    >>
    >> - 1 160GB SATA 16mb Databurst (what is databurst btw) Cache 7200rpm HD
    >> - Generic CD Drive I will replace along with the empty slots with my
    >> Burners
    >> from the alienware (which originally came from a Dell Dimension 84000
    >> anyway).
    >>
    >> - The Case is supposively quiet, but ive heard a Dimension XPS before and
    >> those sound like an F'n Airplane. But I have Vantec Silent Fans I could
    >> steal
    >> out the Alienware and put into the case if needed not like they are
    >> expensive
    >> anyway.
    >>
    >> - It has PCI Express and other high end card slots, I think about the
    >> same
    >> amount as the alienware (several more USB and Firewire ports though).
    >>
    >> - a 2TB Total SATA Storage Capacity
    >>
    >> and plenty of other nice features... I could also go with the Dell
    >> Precision
    >> 670 nicknamed with a MT64 after it, no differences other than the options
    >> you
    >> can have installed with the system (such as the maximum amount of RAM,
    >> different software) except for one reallyyyyy big turn off and thats they
    >> dont honor the free 19inch with that one just because it's in the
    >> catagory
    >> for large buisnesses instead of Small to Medium Buisnesses. So Instead
    >> I'm
    >> going with the Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 O/S option instead,
    >> of
    >> course I'm going to Dual Boot, and also add another 400GB or maybe a
    >> 500GB
    >> SATA drive or so to my system as well.
    >>
    >> Do you think that buying the dell is worth it or is there a motherboard
    >> out
    >> there that would fit inside the alienware (i beleive the size of the
    >> board is
    >> ATX Extended , Some people have simply called it Full Tower ...
    >> Alienware
    >> refuses to provide me with the dimensions b/c they dont want to assist me
    >> in
    >> voiding my warranty that ends in april ::rolls eyes:: )... Or Lets just
    >> say
    >> Motherboard that will not be a downgrade from either of those system's
    >> boards. The alienware may be limited to 4GB of Ram but it does have 6
    >> SATA
    >> ch. , 2 IDE ch., and SLI support ... The Dell has 4 SATA channels im
    >> unsure
    >> about the IDE .. That isnt really important to me anyway, I plan on
    >> getting 2
    >> SATA hot swap bays to make storage of projects and backups easier .. and
    >> Windows 64bit stuff easier.
    >>
    >> I have searched and Searched for a motherboard compatible with either
    >> Dual
    >> 3.80ghz Xeons which run faster than 2.80ghz Dualcore Xeons according to
    >> benchmarks by many companies including dell, Same for the 3.60ghz Xeons.
    >> That
    >> takes the same Ram type I have and holds at least 8GB - 16GB of RAM ..
    >> Has
    >> the same amount and types of Card Slots as my X2 Motherboard occupied by
    >> the
    >> Delta 1010, Video Card w/ SLI or whatever connecting 2 of them together
    >> is
    >> called if not that, the Soundblaster audigy zs 2, and that does not have
    >> less
    >> USB & Firewire ports than the Alienware b/c I already have to use a USB
    >> 2.0
    >> Hub for certain things that are connected and disconnected often and
    >> other
    >> things that shouldn't be ever disconnected b/c of their consistent use.
    >>
    >> But my searches are either gotten confusing or returned nothing I can
    >> use.
    >>
    >> But if I found such a board, I would have plenty of money for other
    >> items,
    >> such as better processors, more ram, and some other cool stuff.
    >>
    >> Or do you think I should simply wait on a new system holding more than
    >> 4GB
    >> of RAM, Keep my Current Alienware System as is, Spend the money on 2 More
    >> GB
    >> of RAM, a few more fast SATA Drives and or the hotswaps, maybe a
    >> lightscribe
    >> compatible burner, and a cooling system that's quieter and universal ??
    >>
    >> I think that with whatever is left over after taking what I need from the
    >> Alienware to put on the Dell's Board and in whatever case ends up being
    >> used
    >> .. I would basically have another computer sans only RAM and a large HD.
    >> I
    >> could probably make a profit off of buying this sell and selling the left
    >> overs.
    >>
    >> What do you guys think ?
    >>
    >> I know some of you are far more superior in computer knowledge than
    >> myself
    >> so any help would be greatly valued and appreciated.
    >>
    >> Just keep in mind that Sonar 5 Producer Edition, All of My Hardware I
    >> will
    >> be using, and some other applications (graphic design, photography,
    >> etc..)
    >> would be used in 64bit too ... But I will be heavily using 32bit for
    >> Gaming &
    >> Entertainment ... which is ideal ... I could have a hot Swap, external,
    >> or
    >> internal Drive for Booting up either another Windows 32bit deticated to
    >> creativity applications, no internet, no resource hogs ... 1 such drive
    >> for
    >> 64bit Windows when I need it, both of those Operating systems could
    >> acsess my
    >> storage drives easily ... and Then My Main System, finally my precisious
    >> Disk
    >> 0 400GB Drive would be free to be exclusively for everything else without
    >> interupting my programs that rely on precious CPU and RAM.
    >> __________________________________________________________________
    >> 3rd Question - Potential Problems w/ RAM, 1MB Cache CPU Q's, and Cooling
    >>
    >> Will using Dual 3.20ghz Xeons with an 1mb cache instead of a 2mb cache
    >> make
    >> a huge difference in 64bit , at least until I can save up the $2000 or so
    >> it
    >> will take to either get Dual Dual-core Xeons, or Dual 3.80ghz Xeons with
    >> a
    >> 2mb l2 cache. The Dell doesn't list that it supports a 1mb Cache however
    >> I
    >> have seen plenty for sale on ebay with 1mb Cache processors that are 100%
    >> legit refurbished systems. And will 4GB in 64bit and the 3GB 32bit uses
    >> sometimes improve 32bit windows performance noticably at all ? I was also
    >> warned by Aleinware that there might be potential problems when using
    >> more
    >> than 4GB in a system with 32bit Windows but I think they're full of crap
    >> and
    >> trying to hassel me into the expensive AMD upgrade they want me to take
    >> them
    >> up and overpay them for.
    >>
    >> Considering that I'm looking for more RAM and Higher Processors do you
    >> know
    >> of trustworthy online stores with well priced used or brand new Xeons of
    >> those types and anywhere that sells my type of ram for cheaper than
    >> nearly
    >> $300 a stick of ECC registered. My Friend who works at infeneon can only
    >> get
    >> me 512mb Dimms for free rarely of the right type, also I have 1 DIMM 1GB
    >> sticks currently (this will later change when I need 1 Dimm 2GB - 4GB
    >> sticks
    >> to get to 8, 12, or 16 GB of RAM)
    >>
    >> And for my current Xeons and System im considering and or the alienware.
    >> What is the best cost effective way to keep the system cool and quiet.
    >> The
    >> systems fans and drives are already quiet and acoustic dampening makes
    >> them
    >> inaudible ... But the Fans on my Xeons are so loud they can be picked up
    >> in
    >> an almost soundproof Dead Room / Isolation Booth for recording vocals,
    >> amps,
    >> and acoustic instruments that's about 5 feet away facing the side, part
    >> of my
    >> desk, speakers, and studio monitors inbetween it.... If I use speedfan
    >> for
    >> instance to lower the speed to 50% on each or slightly above they are
    >> silent
    >> but I am afraid to see if the cooling in the case without the 100% fan
    >> rate
    >> on the processors heatsinks will keep them cool enough when using intense
    >> applications.
    >>
    >> If you have questions about the current cooling of either system im
    >> considering you can (please do so, I dont want to make this any longer)
    >> refer
    >> to the alienware MJ12 7550i specs and dell percision 670 specs for fans
    >> (note
    >> i cannot upgrade to the liquid cooling system alienware offers despite my
    >> system being identical, its absurd, its made for my chasis, they just
    >> made a
    >> new case for the same computer and discontinued the option for my case
    >> (which
    >> is bigger, a full tower case, the big alienware signature ones)
    >>
    >> If Fans are the option please elaborate on what fans, where to get them,
    >> or
    >> their name/model. If Liquid cooling is the best option please do so as
    >> well
    >> if you know of any. Or any solution at all is appreciated, I need it to
    >> be
    >> quiet so I dont have to use isolation headphones to listen to music at a
    >> reasonable level, or have bleedthrough on my mic even in the isolation
    >> booth.
    >> Aside from Quiet it has to be as cool as it can be with the silence. I
    >> simply
    >> don't know where to begin with a solution for this. I can't seem to find
    >> a
    >> specific silent cooling system for a xeon and liquid cooling worried me
    >> slightly about the chance of a leak. The fans with liquid fillaments seem
    >> more viable but i think they are AMD exclusive.
    >>
    >> ____________________________________________________________________
    >> 4th Question
    >>
    >> Can you mix DDR2 RAM in mixed pairs i.e. 2 1GB DIMMS , 4 512mb DIMMS, 1
    >> 4GB
    >> DIMM ... And is all DDR2 ram Dual Channel, Dell's tech layout for the
    >> percision say something about Dual Ranked Ram and lists it DDR2 PC23000
    >> ECC
    >> SDRAM like that without Dual Channel like other brands, but the specs
    >> also
    >> say it supports Dual Channel DDR2 RAM PC3200 RAM ... One comment on it
    >> confuses me however maybe you can clear it up for me along with the mixed
    >> DIMMS.
    >>
    >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> These last few Questions are rather simple ..
    >>
    >> 5) Is this worth buying if its cheaper than the price it takes to
    >> purchase
    >> it at the trial end
    >> http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows ...izrate&utm_medium=mall&utm_campaign=ZAT-00007
    >> ... There are also OEM and not OEM 3 versions for $110 on ebay ... all of
    >> them are legit, but what is the difference ? There are boxed versions at
    >> more
    >> like $400 as well. (and people trying to trick people into windows xp
    >> 32bit
    >> pro with a 64x on the end but the description says it supports computers
    >> with
    >> 64bit technology and is really WinXP Pro SP2. Another ploy is trying to
    >> pass
    >> Server 3000 off as 64x WinXP Pro... How dispicable)
    >>
    >> 6) I'm not sure if I asked, sorry if I did. Does anyone know if the power
    >> supply and Dell Dimension 670's motherboard will fit in the alienware
    >> MJ12
    >> 7550i's chasis ?
    >>
    >> 7) If you found a motherboard for me so buying a new computer isn't
    >> necessary for swapping parts then can you suggest some cases for it ?
    >> Also
    >> where to look ? Or know if it will fit in my alienware case ATX Extended
    >> I
    >> think is the size reference the chasis is a Full Tower if that helps at
    >> all.
    >>
    >> 8) If you didnt read the upgrade question and come across this. Do you
    >> think
    >> an upgrade is necessary as far as a new board or PC goes or should I
    >> consider
    >> buying processors and the 2 GB left out of the Maximum 4GB my current
    >> system
    >> has ... as well as drives and acessories ... And wait for the 64bit
    >> systems
    >> to become more mainstream ??? Will 4GB be that big of an improvement for
    >> such
    >> a RAM intensive application im using ?
    >>
    >> 9) Where should I look for 64bit drivers besides 64AMD (or whatever that
    >> sites name is I keep forgetting) , official sites, and for updates such
    >> as DX
    >> plugins being avalible in 64x, Rewire as well, and when mp3s will be able
    >> to
    >> be made in 64x. I beleive only WMA and WAV are supported formats for
    >> rendering audio in 64x or with Sonar 5 in 64x.
    >>
    >> 10) Are there any other brands of computers that are reliable and cheaper
    >> that may have what im looking for thats equal or a step or so up from the
    >> system im looking at from dell ?

    >
    >
     
    John Barnes, Dec 10, 2005
    #4
  5. No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?

    --
    Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    >ranting
    > before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel free
    > as
    > I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from my
    > complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the length
    > of
    > these first parts of this post before the questions which are essentially
    > useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps to
    > get
    > to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also hope
    > im
    > forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other grammatical
    > errors ....
    >
    > BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    > the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr
    > and
    > 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to be
    > affordable or avalible to me.
    >
    > Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even the
    > simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I really
    > should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just frequent
    > music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    > Sonar
    > forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >
    > Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    > answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    > elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    > into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >
    > hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > into
    > making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I will
    > love
    > or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename (which
    > might
    > not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    > people
    > now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    >
    >
    > * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >
    > ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    > Questions
    > --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full version
    > ?
    >
    > *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable. If
    > I
    > should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the right
    > specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components mentioned
    > for
    > cheap.
    >
    > --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    > 800FSB
    > Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options for
    > Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)
    >
    > --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >
    > --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    > require
    > a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >
    > -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression
    > of
    > my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    > decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >
    >
    > I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > takes
    > time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >
    >
    > _________________________________________________________________
    > Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >
    > its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    > arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    > plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    > article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    > used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a 4.xx
    > with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    >
    > Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    > http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    > also
    > has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think its
    > linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit
    > Professional
    > Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    > mid-level
    > to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead of
    > crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    > migrating
    > more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first
    > windows
    > versions period.
    >
    > Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    > ...
    > in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth (64bit
    > offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet, large
    > manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ), 24bit
    > 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the virtual
    > instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down
    > with
    > top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as you
    > hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital coldness
    > of
    > the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as standard
    > for CD Audio.
    >
    > The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >
    > - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    > Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    > Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    > SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    > Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones
    > that
    > combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar because
    > many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it be
    > installed
    > on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via
    > mass
    > quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or
    > Bluray
    > needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    > backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a
    > daily
    > incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they are
    > not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in memory if
    > they
    > arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again) ...
    > its
    > expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the best
    > investment.
    >
    > - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    > certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    > and
    > my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card) has
    > 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for windows
    > recording hardware hands down.
    >
    > - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for the
    > style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that there are
    > rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled plugins), sampling
    > (a
    > lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    > greatly...
    > they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More Ram the Less
    > CPU
    > stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU + 25% of the second to
    > 100% of both when doing something such as Time Stretching or when several
    > tracks are involved... the problem also stems from resource hogs like
    > anti-virus, services for programs I installed that cant be killed, and
    > selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when I'm idle 84% is what I
    > get
    > with only the necessary processes before Sonar is run ... Right now even
    > with
    > WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol panels
    > in
    > the system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes
    > like
    > hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax
    > and
    > answering machine program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I
    > have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost
    > never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ...
    > nothing changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM
    > usage
    > spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when
    > ram
    > drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing them
    > because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be stopped
    > because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I luck
    > out
    > and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the process
    > ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    >
    > - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    > stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated to
    > memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good for
    > lots
    > of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks with
    > lots
    > of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and simeltaneous audio
    > playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So in short the more
    > CPU
    > the better.
    >
    > NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    > benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    > each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb
    > L2
    > Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    > Processors.
    >
    > I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out
    > of
    > them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    > 3.80ghz
    > or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if AMD becomes
    > signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be very biased
    > with
    > either brand from what ive read despite AMDs endorsements from never heard
    > of
    > b level signed artists/engineers/producers)
    > __________________________________________________________________
    >
    >
    > Question #1
    >
    > I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    > buying
    > a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    > it's
    > OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    >
    > I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    > in
    > the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to 8 -
    > 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    > Producer
    > Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and only 64bit
    > Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda need to know
    > the
    > price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't seem to find it
    > anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    >
    > _________________________________________________________________
    > 2nd Question.
    >
    > I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped shipping
    > them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with lights and such.
    > Alienware's support team tried talking me into upgrading my motherboard,
    > processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron System but it would cost more
    > than
    > selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it +
    > maybe
    > a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont allow me
    > to
    > upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system simply because of
    > the different case they are promoting even though the chasis is identical
    > and
    > the cooling system fits my system's case (there isnt really much of a
    > difference at all). They've given me so much grief over not allowing me to
    > upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support tickets to get my warranty
    > voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and though the system runs great
    > aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware anymore.
    >
    > The Current System I have has
    > - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    > - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    > - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    > for
    > 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense they
    > are on resources.
    > -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    > (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    > - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    > - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    > Channels,
    > SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com or under
    > info
    > in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed specs..
    > - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    > - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    > - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    >
    > and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to the
    > question.
    >
    > Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    > Dell
    > Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    > motherboard
    > and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there btw because of
    > the
    > cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
    > - 1 2.80ghz 2mb L2 800 FSB Pentium Xeon (which I will sell and replace
    > with
    > the 2 Xeons from the Alienware)
    > - 2GB (2 DIMMS) of DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz (which I will combine with the
    > RAM from the Alienware to total 4 for the time being) .. The System can
    > Hold
    > 16mb total RAM however at the time buying it with that much costs an extra
    > $18,000 so we're not going to go that route needless to say.
    >
    > - A Free 19 inch Ultra Sharp (i think those are the plasma flatscreens for
    > dell) with the computer I plan to sell or to replace my 17inch LCD screen
    > with and sell that ... either would make me around 3 or 4 hundred bucks.
    > (which makes the system really worth it imo because that money can be put
    > into more RAM or other components)
    >
    > - 1 160GB SATA 16mb Databurst (what is databurst btw) Cache 7200rpm HD
    > - Generic CD Drive I will replace along with the empty slots with my
    > Burners
    > from the alienware (which originally came from a Dell Dimension 84000
    > anyway).
    >
    > - The Case is supposively quiet, but ive heard a Dimension XPS before and
    > those sound like an F'n Airplane. But I have Vantec Silent Fans I could
    > steal
    > out the Alienware and put into the case if needed not like they are
    > expensive
    > anyway.
    >
    > - It has PCI Express and other high end card slots, I think about the same
    > amount as the alienware (several more USB and Firewire ports though).
    >
    > - a 2TB Total SATA Storage Capacity
    >
    > and plenty of other nice features... I could also go with the Dell
    > Precision
    > 670 nicknamed with a MT64 after it, no differences other than the options
    > you
    > can have installed with the system (such as the maximum amount of RAM,
    > different software) except for one reallyyyyy big turn off and thats they
    > dont honor the free 19inch with that one just because it's in the catagory
    > for large buisnesses instead of Small to Medium Buisnesses. So Instead I'm
    > going with the Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 O/S option instead,
    > of
    > course I'm going to Dual Boot, and also add another 400GB or maybe a 500GB
    > SATA drive or so to my system as well.
    >
    > Do you think that buying the dell is worth it or is there a motherboard
    > out
    > there that would fit inside the alienware (i beleive the size of the board
    > is
    > ATX Extended , Some people have simply called it Full Tower ... Alienware
    > refuses to provide me with the dimensions b/c they dont want to assist me
    > in
    > voiding my warranty that ends in april ::rolls eyes:: )... Or Lets just
    > say
    > Motherboard that will not be a downgrade from either of those system's
    > boards. The alienware may be limited to 4GB of Ram but it does have 6 SATA
    > ch. , 2 IDE ch., and SLI support ... The Dell has 4 SATA channels im
    > unsure
    > about the IDE .. That isnt really important to me anyway, I plan on
    > getting 2
    > SATA hot swap bays to make storage of projects and backups easier .. and
    > Windows 64bit stuff easier.
    >
    > I have searched and Searched for a motherboard compatible with either Dual
    > 3.80ghz Xeons which run faster than 2.80ghz Dualcore Xeons according to
    > benchmarks by many companies including dell, Same for the 3.60ghz Xeons.
    > That
    > takes the same Ram type I have and holds at least 8GB - 16GB of RAM .. Has
    > the same amount and types of Card Slots as my X2 Motherboard occupied by
    > the
    > Delta 1010, Video Card w/ SLI or whatever connecting 2 of them together is
    > called if not that, the Soundblaster audigy zs 2, and that does not have
    > less
    > USB & Firewire ports than the Alienware b/c I already have to use a USB
    > 2.0
    > Hub for certain things that are connected and disconnected often and other
    > things that shouldn't be ever disconnected b/c of their consistent use.
    >
    > But my searches are either gotten confusing or returned nothing I can use.
    >
    > But if I found such a board, I would have plenty of money for other items,
    > such as better processors, more ram, and some other cool stuff.
    >
    > Or do you think I should simply wait on a new system holding more than 4GB
    > of RAM, Keep my Current Alienware System as is, Spend the money on 2 More
    > GB
    > of RAM, a few more fast SATA Drives and or the hotswaps, maybe a
    > lightscribe
    > compatible burner, and a cooling system that's quieter and universal ??
    >
    > I think that with whatever is left over after taking what I need from the
    > Alienware to put on the Dell's Board and in whatever case ends up being
    > used
    > .. I would basically have another computer sans only RAM and a large HD. I
    > could probably make a profit off of buying this sell and selling the left
    > overs.
    >
    > What do you guys think ?
    >
    > I know some of you are far more superior in computer knowledge than myself
    > so any help would be greatly valued and appreciated.
    >
    > Just keep in mind that Sonar 5 Producer Edition, All of My Hardware I will
    > be using, and some other applications (graphic design, photography, etc..)
    > would be used in 64bit too ... But I will be heavily using 32bit for
    > Gaming &
    > Entertainment ... which is ideal ... I could have a hot Swap, external, or
    > internal Drive for Booting up either another Windows 32bit deticated to
    > creativity applications, no internet, no resource hogs ... 1 such drive
    > for
    > 64bit Windows when I need it, both of those Operating systems could acsess
    > my
    > storage drives easily ... and Then My Main System, finally my precisious
    > Disk
    > 0 400GB Drive would be free to be exclusively for everything else without
    > interupting my programs that rely on precious CPU and RAM.
    > __________________________________________________________________
    > 3rd Question - Potential Problems w/ RAM, 1MB Cache CPU Q's, and Cooling
    >
    > Will using Dual 3.20ghz Xeons with an 1mb cache instead of a 2mb cache
    > make
    > a huge difference in 64bit , at least until I can save up the $2000 or so
    > it
    > will take to either get Dual Dual-core Xeons, or Dual 3.80ghz Xeons with a
    > 2mb l2 cache. The Dell doesn't list that it supports a 1mb Cache however I
    > have seen plenty for sale on ebay with 1mb Cache processors that are 100%
    > legit refurbished systems. And will 4GB in 64bit and the 3GB 32bit uses
    > sometimes improve 32bit windows performance noticably at all ? I was also
    > warned by Aleinware that there might be potential problems when using more
    > than 4GB in a system with 32bit Windows but I think they're full of crap
    > and
    > trying to hassel me into the expensive AMD upgrade they want me to take
    > them
    > up and overpay them for.
    >
    > Considering that I'm looking for more RAM and Higher Processors do you
    > know
    > of trustworthy online stores with well priced used or brand new Xeons of
    > those types and anywhere that sells my type of ram for cheaper than nearly
    > $300 a stick of ECC registered. My Friend who works at infeneon can only
    > get
    > me 512mb Dimms for free rarely of the right type, also I have 1 DIMM 1GB
    > sticks currently (this will later change when I need 1 Dimm 2GB - 4GB
    > sticks
    > to get to 8, 12, or 16 GB of RAM)
    >
    > And for my current Xeons and System im considering and or the alienware.
    > What is the best cost effective way to keep the system cool and quiet. The
    > systems fans and drives are already quiet and acoustic dampening makes
    > them
    > inaudible ... But the Fans on my Xeons are so loud they can be picked up
    > in
    > an almost soundproof Dead Room / Isolation Booth for recording vocals,
    > amps,
    > and acoustic instruments that's about 5 feet away facing the side, part of
    > my
    > desk, speakers, and studio monitors inbetween it.... If I use speedfan for
    > instance to lower the speed to 50% on each or slightly above they are
    > silent
    > but I am afraid to see if the cooling in the case without the 100% fan
    > rate
    > on the processors heatsinks will keep them cool enough when using intense
    > applications.
    >
    > If you have questions about the current cooling of either system im
    > considering you can (please do so, I dont want to make this any longer)
    > refer
    > to the alienware MJ12 7550i specs and dell percision 670 specs for fans
    > (note
    > i cannot upgrade to the liquid cooling system alienware offers despite my
    > system being identical, its absurd, its made for my chasis, they just made
    > a
    > new case for the same computer and discontinued the option for my case
    > (which
    > is bigger, a full tower case, the big alienware signature ones)
    >
    > If Fans are the option please elaborate on what fans, where to get them,
    > or
    > their name/model. If Liquid cooling is the best option please do so as
    > well
    > if you know of any. Or any solution at all is appreciated, I need it to be
    > quiet so I dont have to use isolation headphones to listen to music at a
    > reasonable level, or have bleedthrough on my mic even in the isolation
    > booth.
    > Aside from Quiet it has to be as cool as it can be with the silence. I
    > simply
    > don't know where to begin with a solution for this. I can't seem to find a
    > specific silent cooling system for a xeon and liquid cooling worried me
    > slightly about the chance of a leak. The fans with liquid fillaments seem
    > more viable but i think they are AMD exclusive.
    >
    > ____________________________________________________________________
    > 4th Question
    >
    > Can you mix DDR2 RAM in mixed pairs i.e. 2 1GB DIMMS , 4 512mb DIMMS, 1
    > 4GB
    > DIMM ... And is all DDR2 ram Dual Channel, Dell's tech layout for the
    > percision say something about Dual Ranked Ram and lists it DDR2 PC23000
    > ECC
    > SDRAM like that without Dual Channel like other brands, but the specs also
    > say it supports Dual Channel DDR2 RAM PC3200 RAM ... One comment on it
    > confuses me however maybe you can clear it up for me along with the mixed
    > DIMMS.
    >
    > _________________________________________________________________
    > These last few Questions are rather simple ..
    >
    > 5) Is this worth buying if its cheaper than the price it takes to purchase
    > it at the trial end
    > http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows ...izrate&utm_medium=mall&utm_campaign=ZAT-00007
    > ... There are also OEM and not OEM 3 versions for $110 on ebay ... all of
    > them are legit, but what is the difference ? There are boxed versions at
    > more
    > like $400 as well. (and people trying to trick people into windows xp
    > 32bit
    > pro with a 64x on the end but the description says it supports computers
    > with
    > 64bit technology and is really WinXP Pro SP2. Another ploy is trying to
    > pass
    > Server 3000 off as 64x WinXP Pro... How dispicable)
    >
    > 6) I'm not sure if I asked, sorry if I did. Does anyone know if the power
    > supply and Dell Dimension 670's motherboard will fit in the alienware MJ12
    > 7550i's chasis ?
    >
    > 7) If you found a motherboard for me so buying a new computer isn't
    > necessary for swapping parts then can you suggest some cases for it ? Also
    > where to look ? Or know if it will fit in my alienware case ATX Extended I
    > think is the size reference the chasis is a Full Tower if that helps at
    > all.
    >
    > 8) If you didnt read the upgrade question and come across this. Do you
    > think
    > an upgrade is necessary as far as a new board or PC goes or should I
    > consider
    > buying processors and the 2 GB left out of the Maximum 4GB my current
    > system
    > has ... as well as drives and acessories ... And wait for the 64bit
    > systems
    > to become more mainstream ??? Will 4GB be that big of an improvement for
    > such
    > a RAM intensive application im using ?
    >
    > 9) Where should I look for 64bit drivers besides 64AMD (or whatever that
    > sites name is I keep forgetting) , official sites, and for updates such as
    > DX
    > plugins being avalible in 64x, Rewire as well, and when mp3s will be able
    > to
    > be made in 64x. I beleive only WMA and WAV are supported formats for
    > rendering audio in 64x or with Sonar 5 in 64x.
    >
    > 10) Are there any other brands of computers that are reliable and cheaper
    > that may have what im looking for thats equal or a step or so up from the
    > system im looking at from dell ?
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Dec 10, 2005
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  6. Colin told me about this one: http://www.planetamd64.com/catalog
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    "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
    news:uzEUhTa$...
    > Frankly, with an attitude like that, I have no interest in helping you.
    > Try asking a simple question, one to a message, without attitude, and
    > you'll find that there are lots of helpful people here.
    >
    > There is no "trial version registration to full version". You buy x64
    > Edition and do an in place upgrade from the trial, or if the trial has
    > expired, a repair install. You get your x64 Edition from your favourite
    > system builder, or online at an outlet that also builds systems such as:
    > www.ncix.com
    > www.directron.com
    > www.newegg.com
    > www.zipzoomfly.com
    >
    > All have been reported by those here to provide good service and good
    > prices.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.
    > http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >
    > DavienC wrote:
    >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    >> ranting before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end....
    >> (feel free as I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good
    >> laugh from my complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also
    >> for the length of these first parts of this post before the questions
    >> which are essentially useless except for the table of contents so you can
    >> use "Find" perhaps to get to a question easier and know what its about
    >> beforehand .... I also hope im forgiven for long sections with runalong
    >> scentences and other grammatical errors ....
    >>
    >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr
    >> and 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below
    >> to be affordable or avalible to me.
    >>
    >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    >> the
    >> simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I really
    >> should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just
    >> frequent
    >> music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    >> Sonar forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >>
    >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >>
    >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    >> into making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    >> will love or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your
    >> screename (which might not be long unless I stay here posting with what
    >> help I may offer to people now or in the future or one of the article
    >> writers answers me lol).
    >>
    >>
    >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >>
    >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    >> Questions
    >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    >> version ?
    >>
    >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable.
    >> If I should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the
    >> right specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    >> mentioned for cheap.
    >>
    >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    >> 800FSB Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling
    >> Options for Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more
    >> intense)
    >>
    >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >>
    >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    >> require a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >>
    >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression
    >> of my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >>
    >>
    >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    >> takes time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >>
    >>
    >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >>
    >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a
    >> 4.xx
    >> with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    >>
    >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    >> also has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I
    >> think its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only
    >> 64bit Professional Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio
    >> version) and mid-level to million dollar major label rented or owned
    >> studios with PCs instead of crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment,
    >> hence why protools is migrating more to windows than it has since the 90s
    >> and its fairly recent first windows versions period.
    >>
    >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    >> ... in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth
    >> (64bit offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on
    >> yet, large manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring (
    >> ; ), 24bit 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of
    >> the virtual instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is
    >> dithered down with top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of
    >> that quality (as you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the
    >> extreme digital coldness of the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or
    >> broadcast .wav format as standard for CD Audio.
    >>
    >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >>
    >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones
    >> that combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    >> because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it
    >> be installed on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So
    >> backups via mass quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer
    >> seriously or Bluray needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk
    >> drive exclusive for backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough
    >> space to hold a daily incremental or other style of backup of only your
    >> audio projects, they are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas
    >> will stick in memory if they arent frequently heard and the perfect take
    >> may never happen again) ... its expensive for datarecovery from a bad
    >> disk .. and prevention is the best investment.
    >>
    >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    >> and my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card)
    >> has 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    >> windows recording hardware hands down.
    >>
    >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for
    >> the
    >> style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that there are
    >> rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled plugins), sampling
    >> (a lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    >> greatly... they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More
    >> Ram the Less CPU stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU +
    >> 25% of the second to 100% of both when doing something such as Time
    >> Stretching or when several tracks are involved... the problem also stems
    >> from resource hogs like anti-virus, services for programs I installed
    >> that cant be killed, and selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when
    >> I'm idle 84% is what I get with only the necessary processes before Sonar
    >> is run ... Right now even with WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster
    >> and the Delta's contyrol panels in the system tray, diskeepers service,
    >> AOL's stupid unkillable processes like hostmanager, port magic, my
    >> lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax and answering machine
    >> program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I have 83% RAM
    >> Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost never use the
    >> Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ... nothing
    >> changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM usage
    >> spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when
    >> ram drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing
    >> them because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be
    >> stopped because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless
    >> I luck out and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure
    >> the process ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    >>
    >> - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    >> stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated
    >> to
    >> memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good for
    >> lots of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks
    >> with lots of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and
    >> simeltaneous audio playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So
    >> in short the more CPU the better.
    >>
    >> NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    >> benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    >> each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb
    >> L2 Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    >> Processors.
    >>
    >> I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out
    >> of them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    >> 3.80ghz or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if
    >> AMD becomes signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be
    >> very biased with either brand from what ive read despite AMDs
    >> endorsements from never heard of b level signed
    >> artists/engineers/producers)
    >> __________________________________________________________________
    >>
    >>
    >> Question #1
    >>
    >> I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    >> buying
    >> a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    >> it's OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    >>
    >> I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    >> in the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to
    >> 8 - 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    >> Producer Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and
    >> only 64bit Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda
    >> need to know the price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't
    >> seem to find it anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    >>
    >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> 2nd Question.
    >>
    >> I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped
    >> shipping
    >> them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with lights and
    >> such.
    >> Alienware's support team tried talking me into upgrading my motherboard,
    >> processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron System but it would cost more
    >> than selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it
    >> + maybe a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont
    >> allow me to upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system
    >> simply because of the different case they are promoting even though the
    >> chasis is identical and the cooling system fits my system's case (there
    >> isnt really much of a difference at all). They've given me so much grief
    >> over not allowing me to upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support
    >> tickets to get my warranty voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and
    >> though the system runs great aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot
    >> stand Alienware anymore.
    >>
    >> The Current System I have has
    >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    >> - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    >> for 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense
    >> they are on resources.
    >> -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    >> (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    >> - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    >> - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    >> Channels, SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com
    >> or under info in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed
    >> specs..
    >> - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    >> - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    >> - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    >>
    >> and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to
    >> the
    >> question.
    >>
    >> Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    >> Dell Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    >> motherboard and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there
    >> btw because of the cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
    >> - 1 2.80ghz 2mb L2 800 FSB Pentium Xeon (which I will sell and replace
    >> with the 2 Xeons from the Alienware)
    >> - 2GB (2 DIMMS) of DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz (which I will combine with
    >> the
    >> RAM from the Alienware to total 4 for the time being) .. The System can
    >> Hold 16mb total RAM however at the time buying it with that much costs an
    >> extra $18,000 so we're not going to go that route needless to say.
    >>
    >> - A Free 19 inch Ultra Sharp (i think those are the plasma flatscreens
    >> for
    >> dell) with the computer I plan to sell or to replace my 17inch LCD screen
    >> with and sell that ... either would make me around 3 or 4 hundred bucks.
    >> (which makes the system really worth it imo because that money can be put
    >> into more RAM or other components)
    >>
    >> - 1 160GB SATA 16mb Databurst (what is databurst btw) Cache 7200rpm HD
    >> - Generic CD Drive I will replace along with the empty slots with my
    >> Burners from the alienware (which originally came from a Dell Dimension
    >> 84000 anyway).
    >>
    >> - The Case is supposively quiet, but ive heard a Dimension XPS before and
    >> those sound like an F'n Airplane. But I have Vantec Silent Fans I could
    >> steal out the Alienware and put into the case if needed not like they are
    >> expensive anyway.
    >>
    >> - It has PCI Express and other high end card slots, I think about the
    >> same
    >> amount as the alienware (several more USB and Firewire ports though).
    >>
    >> - a 2TB Total SATA Storage Capacity
    >>
    >> and plenty of other nice features... I could also go with the Dell
    >> Precision 670 nicknamed with a MT64 after it, no differences other than
    >> the options you can have installed with the system (such as the maximum
    >> amount of RAM, different software) except for one reallyyyyy big turn off
    >> and thats they dont honor the free 19inch with that one just because it's
    >> in the catagory for large buisnesses instead of Small to Medium
    >> Buisnesses. So Instead I'm going with the Windows XP Professional Service
    >> Pack 2 O/S option instead, of course I'm going to Dual Boot, and also add
    >> another 400GB or maybe a 500GB SATA drive or so to my system as well.
    >>
    >> Do you think that buying the dell is worth it or is there a motherboard
    >> out there that would fit inside the alienware (i beleive the size of the
    >> board is ATX Extended , Some people have simply called it Full Tower ...
    >> Alienware refuses to provide me with the dimensions b/c they dont want to
    >> assist me in voiding my warranty that ends in april ::rolls eyes:: )...
    >> Or Lets just say Motherboard that will not be a downgrade from either of
    >> those system's boards. The alienware may be limited to 4GB of Ram but it
    >> does have 6 SATA ch. , 2 IDE ch., and SLI support ... The Dell has 4
    >> SATA channels im unsure about the IDE .. That isnt really important to me
    >> anyway, I plan on getting 2 SATA hot swap bays to make storage of
    >> projects and backups easier .. and Windows 64bit stuff easier.
    >>
    >> I have searched and Searched for a motherboard compatible with either
    >> Dual
    >> 3.80ghz Xeons which run faster than 2.80ghz Dualcore Xeons according to
    >> benchmarks by many companies including dell, Same for the 3.60ghz Xeons.
    >> That takes the same Ram type I have and holds at least 8GB - 16GB of RAM
    >> .. Has the same amount and types of Card Slots as my X2 Motherboard
    >> occupied by the Delta 1010, Video Card w/ SLI or whatever connecting 2 of
    >> them together is called if not that, the Soundblaster audigy zs 2, and
    >> that does not have less USB & Firewire ports than the Alienware b/c I
    >> already have to use a USB 2.0 Hub for certain things that are connected
    >> and disconnected often and other things that shouldn't be ever
    >> disconnected b/c of their consistent use.
    >>
    >> But my searches are either gotten confusing or returned nothing I can
    >> use.
    >>
    >> But if I found such a board, I would have plenty of money for other
    >> items,
    >> such as better processors, more ram, and some other cool stuff.
    >>
    >> Or do you think I should simply wait on a new system holding more than
    >> 4GB
    >> of RAM, Keep my Current Alienware System as is, Spend the money on 2 More
    >> GB of RAM, a few more fast SATA Drives and or the hotswaps, maybe a
    >> lightscribe compatible burner, and a cooling system that's quieter and
    >> universal ??
    >>
    >> I think that with whatever is left over after taking what I need from the
    >> Alienware to put on the Dell's Board and in whatever case ends up being
    >> used .. I would basically have another computer sans only RAM and a large
    >> HD. I could probably make a profit off of buying this sell and selling
    >> the left overs.
    >>
    >> What do you guys think ?
    >>
    >> I know some of you are far more superior in computer knowledge than
    >> myself
    >> so any help would be greatly valued and appreciated.
    >>
    >> Just keep in mind that Sonar 5 Producer Edition, All of My Hardware I
    >> will
    >> be using, and some other applications (graphic design, photography,
    >> etc..)
    >> would be used in 64bit too ... But I will be heavily using 32bit for
    >> Gaming & Entertainment ... which is ideal ... I could have a hot Swap,
    >> external, or internal Drive for Booting up either another Windows 32bit
    >> deticated to creativity applications, no internet, no resource hogs ... 1
    >> such drive for 64bit Windows when I need it, both of those Operating
    >> systems could acsess my storage drives easily ... and Then My Main
    >> System, finally my precisious Disk 0 400GB Drive would be free to be
    >> exclusively for everything else without interupting my programs that rely
    >> on precious CPU and RAM.
    >> __________________________________________________________________ 3rd
    >> Question - Potential Problems w/ RAM, 1MB Cache CPU Q's, and Cooling
    >>
    >> Will using Dual 3.20ghz Xeons with an 1mb cache instead of a 2mb cache
    >> make
    >> a huge difference in 64bit , at least until I can save up the $2000 or so
    >> it will take to either get Dual Dual-core Xeons, or Dual 3.80ghz Xeons
    >> with a 2mb l2 cache. The Dell doesn't list that it supports a 1mb Cache
    >> however I have seen plenty for sale on ebay with 1mb Cache processors
    >> that are 100% legit refurbished systems. And will 4GB in 64bit and the
    >> 3GB 32bit uses sometimes improve 32bit windows performance noticably at
    >> all ? I was also warned by Aleinware that there might be potential
    >> problems when using more than 4GB in a system with 32bit Windows but I
    >> think they're full of crap and trying to hassel me into the expensive AMD
    >> upgrade they want me to take them up and overpay them for.
    >>
    >> Considering that I'm looking for more RAM and Higher Processors do you
    >> know of trustworthy online stores with well priced used or brand new
    >> Xeons of those types and anywhere that sells my type of ram for cheaper
    >> than nearly $300 a stick of ECC registered. My Friend who works at
    >> infeneon can only get me 512mb Dimms for free rarely of the right type,
    >> also I have 1 DIMM 1GB sticks currently (this will later change when I
    >> need 1 Dimm 2GB - 4GB sticks to get to 8, 12, or 16 GB of RAM)
    >>
    >> And for my current Xeons and System im considering and or the alienware.
    >> What is the best cost effective way to keep the system cool and quiet.
    >> The
    >> systems fans and drives are already quiet and acoustic dampening makes
    >> them inaudible ... But the Fans on my Xeons are so loud they can be
    >> picked up in an almost soundproof Dead Room / Isolation Booth for
    >> recording vocals, amps, and acoustic instruments that's about 5 feet away
    >> facing the side, part of my desk, speakers, and studio monitors inbetween
    >> it.... If I use speedfan for instance to lower the speed to 50% on each
    >> or slightly above they are silent but I am afraid to see if the cooling
    >> in the case without the 100% fan rate on the processors heatsinks will
    >> keep them cool enough when using intense applications.
    >>
    >> If you have questions about the current cooling of either system im
    >> considering you can (please do so, I dont want to make this any longer)
    >> refer to the alienware MJ12 7550i specs and dell percision 670 specs for
    >> fans (note i cannot upgrade to the liquid cooling system alienware offers
    >> despite my system being identical, its absurd, its made for my chasis,
    >> they just made a new case for the same computer and discontinued the
    >> option for my case (which is bigger, a full tower case, the big alienware
    >> signature ones)
    >>
    >> If Fans are the option please elaborate on what fans, where to get them,
    >> or their name/model. If Liquid cooling is the best option please do so
    >> as well if you know of any. Or any solution at all is appreciated, I need
    >> it to be quiet so I dont have to use isolation headphones to listen to
    >> music at a reasonable level, or have bleedthrough on my mic even in the
    >> isolation booth. Aside from Quiet it has to be as cool as it can be with
    >> the silence. I simply don't know where to begin with a solution for this.
    >> I can't seem to find a specific silent cooling system for a xeon and
    >> liquid cooling worried me slightly about the chance of a leak. The fans
    >> with liquid fillaments seem more viable but i think they are AMD
    >> exclusive.
    >>
    >> ____________________________________________________________________
    >> 4th Question
    >>
    >> Can you mix DDR2 RAM in mixed pairs i.e. 2 1GB DIMMS , 4 512mb DIMMS, 1
    >> 4GB DIMM ... And is all DDR2 ram Dual Channel, Dell's tech layout for the
    >> percision say something about Dual Ranked Ram and lists it DDR2 PC23000
    >> ECC SDRAM like that without Dual Channel like other brands, but the specs
    >> also say it supports Dual Channel DDR2 RAM PC3200 RAM ... One comment on
    >> it confuses me however maybe you can clear it up for me along with the
    >> mixed DIMMS.
    >>
    >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> These last few Questions are rather simple ..
    >>
    >> 5) Is this worth buying if its cheaper than the price it takes to
    >> purchase
    >> it at the trial end
    >> http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows ...izrate&utm_medium=mall&utm_campaign=ZAT-00007
    >> ... There are also OEM and not OEM 3 versions for $110 on ebay ... all of
    >> them are legit, but what is the difference ? There are boxed versions at
    >> more like $400 as well. (and people trying to trick people into windows
    >> xp 32bit pro with a 64x on the end but the description says it supports
    >> computers with 64bit technology and is really WinXP Pro SP2. Another ploy
    >> is trying to pass Server 3000 off as 64x WinXP Pro... How dispicable)
    >>
    >> 6) I'm not sure if I asked, sorry if I did. Does anyone know if the power
    >> supply and Dell Dimension 670's motherboard will fit in the alienware
    >> MJ12
    >> 7550i's chasis ?
    >>
    >> 7) If you found a motherboard for me so buying a new computer isn't
    >> necessary for swapping parts then can you suggest some cases for it ?
    >> Also
    >> where to look ? Or know if it will fit in my alienware case ATX Extended
    >> I
    >> think is the size reference the chasis is a Full Tower if that helps at
    >> all.
    >>
    >> 8) If you didnt read the upgrade question and come across this. Do you
    >> think an upgrade is necessary as far as a new board or PC goes or should
    >> I consider buying processors and the 2 GB left out of the Maximum 4GB my
    >> current system has ... as well as drives and acessories ... And wait for
    >> the 64bit systems to become more mainstream ??? Will 4GB be that big of
    >> an improvement for such a RAM intensive application im using ?
    >>
    >> 9) Where should I look for 64bit drivers besides 64AMD (or whatever that
    >> sites name is I keep forgetting) , official sites, and for updates such
    >> as DX plugins being avalible in 64x, Rewire as well, and when mp3s will
    >> be able to be made in 64x. I beleive only WMA and WAV are supported
    >> formats for rendering audio in 64x or with Sonar 5 in 64x.
    >>
    >> 10) Are there any other brands of computers that are reliable and cheaper
    >> that may have what im looking for thats equal or a step or so up from the
    >> system im looking at from dell ?

    >
    >
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Dec 10, 2005
    #6
  7. Yeah, I'm sure there are hundreds. Nay, thousands. Those are all my fingers
    could remember this morning. ;)



    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/xperts64

    Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
    > Colin told me about this one: http://www.planetamd64.com/catalog
    >
    > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
    > news:uzEUhTa$...
    >> Frankly, with an attitude like that, I have no interest in helping you.
    >> Try asking a simple question, one to a message, without attitude, and
    >> you'll find that there are lots of helpful people here.
    >>
    >> There is no "trial version registration to full version". You buy x64
    >> Edition and do an in place upgrade from the trial, or if the trial has
    >> expired, a repair install. You get your x64 Edition from your favourite
    >> system builder, or online at an outlet that also builds systems such as:
    >> www.ncix.com
    >> www.directron.com
    >> www.newegg.com
    >> www.zipzoomfly.com
    >>
    >> All have been reported by those here to provide good service and good
    >> prices.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Charlie.
    >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >>
    >> DavienC wrote:
    >>> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    >>> ranting before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end....
    >>> (feel free as I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good
    >>> laugh from my complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also
    >>> for the length of these first parts of this post before the questions
    >>> which are essentially useless except for the table of contents so you
    >>> can use "Find" perhaps to get to a question easier and know what its
    >>> about beforehand .... I also hope im forgiven for long sections with
    >>> runalong scentences and other grammatical errors ....
    >>>
    >>> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE
    >>> if the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE
    >>> 48hr and 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions
    >>> below to be affordable or avalible to me.
    >>>
    >>> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    >>> the
    >>> simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I
    >>> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just
    >>> frequent
    >>> music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    >>> Sonar forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >>>
    >>> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    >>> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    >>> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't
    >>> taken into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >>>
    >>> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    >>> into making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    >>> will love or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your
    >>> screename (which might not be long unless I stay here posting with what
    >>> help I may offer to people now or in the future or one of the article
    >>> writers answers me lol).
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >>>
    >>> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >>> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    >>> Questions
    >>> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    >>> version ?
    >>>
    >>> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable.
    >>> If I should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the
    >>> right specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    >>> mentioned for cheap.
    >>>
    >>> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    >>> 800FSB Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling
    >>> Options for Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more
    >>> intense)
    >>>
    >>> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >>>
    >>> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    >>> require a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >>>
    >>> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the
    >>> progression of my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3
    >>> hours to make a decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    >>> takes time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> _________________________________________________________________
    >>> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >>>
    >>> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    >>> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and
    >>> VST plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read
    >>> cakewalk's article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed
    >>> account of 64x used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors
    >>> runs more like a 4.xx
    >>> with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    >>>
    >>> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    >>> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    >>> also has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I
    >>> think its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only
    >>> 64bit Professional Recording Software used by homestudios (usually
    >>> studio version) and mid-level to million dollar major label rented or
    >>> owned studios with PCs instead of crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the
    >>> moment, hence why protools is migrating more to windows than it has
    >>> since the 90s and its fairly recent first windows versions period.
    >>>
    >>> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    >>> ... in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth
    >>> (64bit offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on
    >>> yet, large manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring (
    >>> ; ), 24bit 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of
    >>> the virtual instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is
    >>> dithered down with top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of
    >>> that quality (as you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the
    >>> extreme digital coldness of the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or
    >>> broadcast .wav format as standard for CD Audio.
    >>>
    >>> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >>>
    >>> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program
    >>> for Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB
    >>> 2.0, Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb
    >>> ... or SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for
    >>> this. However Video applications benefit from different types of RAID
    >>> such as the ones that combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not
    >>> the case with Sonar because many plugins even suggest a deticated
    >>> drive, Sonar recommends it be installed on a disk seperate from the OS,
    >>> and other such factors. So backups via mass quanities of DVD-RWs (I
    >>> need to get a dual layer writer seriously or Bluray needs to come out
    >>> lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for backups, even an
    >>> PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a daily incremental
    >>> or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they are not
    >>> re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in memory if
    >>> they arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen
    >>> again) ... its expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and
    >>> prevention is the best investment. - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being
    >>> the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    >>> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    >>> and my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card)
    >>> has 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    >>> windows recording hardware hands down.
    >>>
    >>> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for
    >>> the
    >>> style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that there
    >>> are rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled plugins),
    >>> sampling (a lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely
    >>> on this greatly... they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ...
    >>> The More Ram the Less CPU stress, trust me it can already use 100% of
    >>> one CPU + 25% of the second to 100% of both when doing something such
    >>> as Time Stretching or when several tracks are involved... the problem
    >>> also stems from resource hogs like anti-virus, services for programs I
    >>> installed that cant be killed, and selective startup only frees up 4%
    >>> more RAM when I'm idle 84% is what I get with only the necessary
    >>> processes before Sonar is run ... Right now even with WMP10, Norton,
    >>> Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol panels in the
    >>> system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes like
    >>> hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a
    >>> fax and answering machine program, amongst other useless things
    >>> FreeRAMPro says I have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and
    >>> several programs almost never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a
    >>> seperate disk in majority ... nothing changes when it is disabled
    >>> either except for a crash when RAM usage spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's
    >>> setting for auto-matic freeing is on when ram drops below 128
    >>> incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing them because of the
    >>> infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be stopped because of
    >>> the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I luck out and
    >>> only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the process
    >>> ended after explorer crashed as it often does). - CPU Cakewalk would
    >>> say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    >>> stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated
    >>> to
    >>> memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good for
    >>> lots of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks
    >>> with lots of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and
    >>> simeltaneous audio playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So
    >>> in short the more CPU the better.
    >>>
    >>> NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their
    >>> personal benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their
    >>> minds with each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON
    >>> 3.60Ghz 2mb L2 Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current
    >>> highest Dualcore Processors.
    >>>
    >>> I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more
    >>> out of them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with
    >>> dual 3.80ghz or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD
    >>> if
    >>> AMD becomes signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be
    >>> very biased with either brand from what ive read despite AMDs
    >>> endorsements from never heard of b level signed
    >>> artists/engineers/producers)
    >>> __________________________________________________________________
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Question #1
    >>>
    >>> I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    >>> buying
    >>> a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    >>> it's OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    >>>
    >>> I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    >>> in the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to
    >>> 8 - 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    >>> Producer Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and
    >>> only 64bit Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda
    >>> need to know the price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't
    >>> seem to find it anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    >>>
    >>> _________________________________________________________________
    >>> 2nd Question.
    >>>
    >>> I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped
    >>> shipping
    >>> them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with lights and
    >>> such.
    >>> Alienware's support team tried talking me into upgrading my motherboard,
    >>> processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron System but it would cost more
    >>> than selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to
    >>> it + maybe a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they
    >>> wont allow me to upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my
    >>> system simply because of the different case they are promoting even
    >>> though the chasis is identical and the cooling system fits my system's
    >>> case (there isnt really much of a difference at all). They've given me
    >>> so much grief over not allowing me to upgrade things, tried to misquote
    >>> me in support tickets to get my warranty voided so I couldn't get my
    >>> RAM replaced, and though the system runs great aside from the noisy
    >>> xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware anymore.
    >>>
    >>> The Current System I have has
    >>> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    >>> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    >>> - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    >>> for 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how
    >>> intense they are on resources.
    >>> -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    >>> (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    >>> - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    >>> - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    >>> Channels, SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com
    >>> or under info in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed
    >>> specs..
    >>> - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    >>> - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    >>> - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    >>>
    >>> and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to
    >>> the
    >>> question.
    >>>
    >>> Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    >>> Dell Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    >>> motherboard and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there
    >>> btw because of the cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
    >>> - 1 2.80ghz 2mb L2 800 FSB Pentium Xeon (which I will sell and replace
    >>> with the 2 Xeons from the Alienware)
    >>> - 2GB (2 DIMMS) of DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz (which I will combine with
    >>> the
    >>> RAM from the Alienware to total 4 for the time being) .. The System can
    >>> Hold 16mb total RAM however at the time buying it with that much costs
    >>> an extra $18,000 so we're not going to go that route needless to say.
    >>>
    >>> - A Free 19 inch Ultra Sharp (i think those are the plasma flatscreens
    >>> for
    >>> dell) with the computer I plan to sell or to replace my 17inch LCD
    >>> screen with and sell that ... either would make me around 3 or 4
    >>> hundred bucks. (which makes the system really worth it imo because that
    >>> money can be put into more RAM or other components)
    >>>
    >>> - 1 160GB SATA 16mb Databurst (what is databurst btw) Cache 7200rpm HD
    >>> - Generic CD Drive I will replace along with the empty slots with my
    >>> Burners from the alienware (which originally came from a Dell Dimension
    >>> 84000 anyway).
    >>>
    >>> - The Case is supposively quiet, but ive heard a Dimension XPS before
    >>> and those sound like an F'n Airplane. But I have Vantec Silent Fans I
    >>> could steal out the Alienware and put into the case if needed not like
    >>> they are expensive anyway.
    >>>
    >>> - It has PCI Express and other high end card slots, I think about the
    >>> same
    >>> amount as the alienware (several more USB and Firewire ports though).
    >>>
    >>> - a 2TB Total SATA Storage Capacity
    >>>
    >>> and plenty of other nice features... I could also go with the Dell
    >>> Precision 670 nicknamed with a MT64 after it, no differences other than
    >>> the options you can have installed with the system (such as the maximum
    >>> amount of RAM, different software) except for one reallyyyyy big turn
    >>> off and thats they dont honor the free 19inch with that one just
    >>> because it's in the catagory for large buisnesses instead of Small to
    >>> Medium Buisnesses. So Instead I'm going with the Windows XP
    >>> Professional Service Pack 2 O/S option instead, of course I'm going to
    >>> Dual Boot, and also add another 400GB or maybe a 500GB SATA drive or so
    >>> to my system as well. Do you think that buying the dell is worth it or
    >>> is there a motherboard
    >>> out there that would fit inside the alienware (i beleive the size of the
    >>> board is ATX Extended , Some people have simply called it Full Tower ...
    >>> Alienware refuses to provide me with the dimensions b/c they dont want
    >>> to assist me in voiding my warranty that ends in april ::rolls eyes::
    >>> )... Or Lets just say Motherboard that will not be a downgrade from
    >>> either of those system's boards. The alienware may be limited to 4GB of
    >>> Ram but it does have 6 SATA ch. , 2 IDE ch., and SLI support ... The
    >>> Dell has 4 SATA channels im unsure about the IDE .. That isnt really
    >>> important to me anyway, I plan on getting 2 SATA hot swap bays to make
    >>> storage of projects and backups easier .. and Windows 64bit stuff
    >>> easier. I have searched and Searched for a motherboard compatible with
    >>> either
    >>> Dual
    >>> 3.80ghz Xeons which run faster than 2.80ghz Dualcore Xeons according to
    >>> benchmarks by many companies including dell, Same for the 3.60ghz Xeons.
    >>> That takes the same Ram type I have and holds at least 8GB - 16GB of RAM
    >>> .. Has the same amount and types of Card Slots as my X2 Motherboard
    >>> occupied by the Delta 1010, Video Card w/ SLI or whatever connecting 2
    >>> of them together is called if not that, the Soundblaster audigy zs 2,
    >>> and that does not have less USB & Firewire ports than the Alienware b/c
    >>> I already have to use a USB 2.0 Hub for certain things that are
    >>> connected and disconnected often and other things that shouldn't be ever
    >>> disconnected b/c of their consistent use.
    >>>
    >>> But my searches are either gotten confusing or returned nothing I can
    >>> use.
    >>>
    >>> But if I found such a board, I would have plenty of money for other
    >>> items,
    >>> such as better processors, more ram, and some other cool stuff.
    >>>
    >>> Or do you think I should simply wait on a new system holding more than
    >>> 4GB
    >>> of RAM, Keep my Current Alienware System as is, Spend the money on 2
    >>> More GB of RAM, a few more fast SATA Drives and or the hotswaps, maybe a
    >>> lightscribe compatible burner, and a cooling system that's quieter and
    >>> universal ??
    >>>
    >>> I think that with whatever is left over after taking what I need from
    >>> the Alienware to put on the Dell's Board and in whatever case ends up
    >>> being used .. I would basically have another computer sans only RAM and
    >>> a large HD. I could probably make a profit off of buying this sell and
    >>> selling the left overs.
    >>>
    >>> What do you guys think ?
    >>>
    >>> I know some of you are far more superior in computer knowledge than
    >>> myself
    >>> so any help would be greatly valued and appreciated.
    >>>
    >>> Just keep in mind that Sonar 5 Producer Edition, All of My Hardware I
    >>> will
    >>> be using, and some other applications (graphic design, photography,
    >>> etc..)
    >>> would be used in 64bit too ... But I will be heavily using 32bit for
    >>> Gaming & Entertainment ... which is ideal ... I could have a hot Swap,
    >>> external, or internal Drive for Booting up either another Windows 32bit
    >>> deticated to creativity applications, no internet, no resource hogs ...
    >>> 1 such drive for 64bit Windows when I need it, both of those Operating
    >>> systems could acsess my storage drives easily ... and Then My Main
    >>> System, finally my precisious Disk 0 400GB Drive would be free to be
    >>> exclusively for everything else without interupting my programs that
    >>> rely on precious CPU and RAM.
    >>> __________________________________________________________________ 3rd
    >>> Question - Potential Problems w/ RAM, 1MB Cache CPU Q's, and Cooling
    >>>
    >>> Will using Dual 3.20ghz Xeons with an 1mb cache instead of a 2mb cache
    >>> make
    >>> a huge difference in 64bit , at least until I can save up the $2000 or
    >>> so it will take to either get Dual Dual-core Xeons, or Dual 3.80ghz
    >>> Xeons with a 2mb l2 cache. The Dell doesn't list that it supports a 1mb
    >>> Cache however I have seen plenty for sale on ebay with 1mb Cache
    >>> processors that are 100% legit refurbished systems. And will 4GB in
    >>> 64bit and the 3GB 32bit uses sometimes improve 32bit windows
    >>> performance noticably at all ? I was also warned by Aleinware that
    >>> there might be potential problems when using more than 4GB in a system
    >>> with 32bit Windows but I think they're full of crap and trying to
    >>> hassel me into the expensive AMD upgrade they want me to take them up
    >>> and overpay them for. Considering that I'm looking for more RAM and
    >>> Higher Processors do you
    >>> know of trustworthy online stores with well priced used or brand new
    >>> Xeons of those types and anywhere that sells my type of ram for cheaper
    >>> than nearly $300 a stick of ECC registered. My Friend who works at
    >>> infeneon can only get me 512mb Dimms for free rarely of the right type,
    >>> also I have 1 DIMM 1GB sticks currently (this will later change when I
    >>> need 1 Dimm 2GB - 4GB sticks to get to 8, 12, or 16 GB of RAM)
    >>>
    >>> And for my current Xeons and System im considering and or the alienware.
    >>> What is the best cost effective way to keep the system cool and quiet.
    >>> The
    >>> systems fans and drives are already quiet and acoustic dampening makes
    >>> them inaudible ... But the Fans on my Xeons are so loud they can be
    >>> picked up in an almost soundproof Dead Room / Isolation Booth for
    >>> recording vocals, amps, and acoustic instruments that's about 5 feet
    >>> away facing the side, part of my desk, speakers, and studio monitors
    >>> inbetween it.... If I use speedfan for instance to lower the speed to
    >>> 50% on each or slightly above they are silent but I am afraid to see if
    >>> the cooling in the case without the 100% fan rate on the processors
    >>> heatsinks will keep them cool enough when using intense applications.
    >>>
    >>> If you have questions about the current cooling of either system im
    >>> considering you can (please do so, I dont want to make this any longer)
    >>> refer to the alienware MJ12 7550i specs and dell percision 670 specs for
    >>> fans (note i cannot upgrade to the liquid cooling system alienware
    >>> offers despite my system being identical, its absurd, its made for my
    >>> chasis, they just made a new case for the same computer and
    >>> discontinued the option for my case (which is bigger, a full tower
    >>> case, the big alienware signature ones)
    >>>
    >>> If Fans are the option please elaborate on what fans, where to get them,
    >>> or their name/model. If Liquid cooling is the best option please do so
    >>> as well if you know of any. Or any solution at all is appreciated, I
    >>> need it to be quiet so I dont have to use isolation headphones to
    >>> listen to music at a reasonable level, or have bleedthrough on my mic
    >>> even in the isolation booth. Aside from Quiet it has to be as cool as
    >>> it can be with the silence. I simply don't know where to begin with a
    >>> solution for this. I can't seem to find a specific silent cooling
    >>> system for a xeon and liquid cooling worried me slightly about the
    >>> chance of a leak. The fans with liquid fillaments seem more viable but
    >>> i think they are AMD exclusive.
    >>>
    >>> ____________________________________________________________________
    >>> 4th Question
    >>>
    >>> Can you mix DDR2 RAM in mixed pairs i.e. 2 1GB DIMMS , 4 512mb DIMMS, 1
    >>> 4GB DIMM ... And is all DDR2 ram Dual Channel, Dell's tech layout for
    >>> the percision say something about Dual Ranked Ram and lists it DDR2
    >>> PC23000 ECC SDRAM like that without Dual Channel like other brands, but
    >>> the specs also say it supports Dual Channel DDR2 RAM PC3200 RAM ... One
    >>> comment on it confuses me however maybe you can clear it up for me
    >>> along with the mixed DIMMS.
    >>>
    >>> _________________________________________________________________
    >>> These last few Questions are rather simple ..
    >>>
    >>> 5) Is this worth buying if its cheaper than the price it takes to
    >>> purchase
    >>> it at the trial end
    >>> http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows ...izrate&utm_medium=mall&utm_campaign=ZAT-00007
    >>> ... There are also OEM and not OEM 3 versions for $110 on ebay ... all
    >>> of them are legit, but what is the difference ? There are boxed
    >>> versions at more like $400 as well. (and people trying to trick people
    >>> into windows xp 32bit pro with a 64x on the end but the description
    >>> says it supports computers with 64bit technology and is really WinXP
    >>> Pro SP2. Another ploy is trying to pass Server 3000 off as 64x WinXP
    >>> Pro... How dispicable) 6) I'm not sure if I asked, sorry if I did. Does
    >>> anyone know if the
    >>> power supply and Dell Dimension 670's motherboard will fit in the
    >>> alienware MJ12
    >>> 7550i's chasis ?
    >>>
    >>> 7) If you found a motherboard for me so buying a new computer isn't
    >>> necessary for swapping parts then can you suggest some cases for it ?
    >>> Also
    >>> where to look ? Or know if it will fit in my alienware case ATX Extended
    >>> I
    >>> think is the size reference the chasis is a Full Tower if that helps at
    >>> all.
    >>>
    >>> 8) If you didnt read the upgrade question and come across this. Do you
    >>> think an upgrade is necessary as far as a new board or PC goes or should
    >>> I consider buying processors and the 2 GB left out of the Maximum 4GB my
    >>> current system has ... as well as drives and acessories ... And wait for
    >>> the 64bit systems to become more mainstream ??? Will 4GB be that big of
    >>> an improvement for such a RAM intensive application im using ?
    >>>
    >>> 9) Where should I look for 64bit drivers besides 64AMD (or whatever that
    >>> sites name is I keep forgetting) , official sites, and for updates such
    >>> as DX plugins being avalible in 64x, Rewire as well, and when mp3s will
    >>> be able to be made in 64x. I beleive only WMA and WAV are supported
    >>> formats for rendering audio in 64x or with Sonar 5 in 64x.
    >>>
    >>> 10) Are there any other brands of computers that are reliable and
    >>> cheaper that may have what im looking for thats equal or a step or so
    >>> up from the system im looking at from dell ?
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 10, 2005
    #7
  8. that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude and use
    his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get from me
    without a change, that's for sure.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/xperts64

    Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    >
    >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    >> ranting
    >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel
    >> free as
    >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from my
    >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the length
    >> of
    >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are essentially
    >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps to
    >> get
    >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also hope
    >> im
    >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other grammatical
    >> errors ....
    >>
    >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr
    >> and
    >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to be
    >> affordable or avalible to me.
    >>
    >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I
    >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just
    >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >>
    >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >>
    >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    >> into
    >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I will
    >> love
    >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename (which
    >> might
    >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    >> people
    >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    >>
    >>
    >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >>
    >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    >> Questions
    >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    >> version ?
    >>
    >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable.
    >> If I
    >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the right
    >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components mentioned
    >> for
    >> cheap.
    >>
    >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    >> 800FSB
    >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options for
    >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)
    >>
    >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >>
    >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    >> require
    >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >>
    >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression
    >> of
    >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >>
    >>
    >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    >> takes
    >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >>
    >>
    >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >>
    >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a
    >> 4.xx with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    >>
    >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    >> also
    >> has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think
    >> its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit
    >> Professional
    >> Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    >> mid-level
    >> to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead of
    >> crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    >> migrating
    >> more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first
    >> windows
    >> versions period.
    >>
    >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    >> ...
    >> in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth (64bit
    >> offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet, large
    >> manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ), 24bit
    >> 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the virtual
    >> instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down
    >> with
    >> top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as
    >> you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital
    >> coldness of
    >> the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as
    >> standard for CD Audio.
    >>
    >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >>
    >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones
    >> that
    >> combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    >> because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it
    >> be installed
    >> on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via
    >> mass
    >> quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or
    >> Bluray
    >> needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    >> backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a
    >> daily
    >> incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they
    >> are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in memory
    >> if they
    >> arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again) ...
    >> its
    >> expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the best
    >> investment.
    >>
    >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    >> and
    >> my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card) has
    >> 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    >> windows recording hardware hands down.
    >>
    >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for
    >> the style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that
    >> there are rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled
    >> plugins), sampling (a
    >> lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    >> greatly...
    >> they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More Ram the Less
    >> CPU
    >> stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU + 25% of the second
    >> to 100% of both when doing something such as Time Stretching or when
    >> several tracks are involved... the problem also stems from resource hogs
    >> like anti-virus, services for programs I installed that cant be killed,
    >> and selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when I'm idle 84% is
    >> what I get
    >> with only the necessary processes before Sonar is run ... Right now even
    >> with
    >> WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol
    >> panels in
    >> the system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes
    >> like
    >> hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax
    >> and
    >> answering machine program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I
    >> have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost
    >> never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ...
    >> nothing changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM
    >> usage
    >> spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when
    >> ram
    >> drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing them
    >> because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be stopped
    >> because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I luck
    >> out
    >> and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the
    >> process ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    >>
    >> - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    >> stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated
    >> to memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good
    >> for lots
    >> of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks with
    >> lots
    >> of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and simeltaneous
    >> audio playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So in short the
    >> more CPU
    >> the better.
    >>
    >> NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    >> benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    >> each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb
    >> L2
    >> Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    >> Processors.
    >>
    >> I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out
    >> of
    >> them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    >> 3.80ghz
    >> or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if AMD
    >> becomes signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be
    >> very biased with
    >> either brand from what ive read despite AMDs endorsements from never
    >> heard of
    >> b level signed artists/engineers/producers)
    >> __________________________________________________________________
    >>
    >>
    >> Question #1
    >>
    >> I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    >> buying
    >> a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    >> it's
    >> OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    >>
    >> I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    >> in
    >> the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to 8 -
    >> 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    >> Producer
    >> Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and only 64bit
    >> Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda need to know
    >> the
    >> price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't seem to find it
    >> anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    >>
    >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> 2nd Question.
    >>
    >> I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped
    >> shipping them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with
    >> lights and such. Alienware's support team tried talking me into
    >> upgrading my motherboard, processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron
    >> System but it would cost more than
    >> selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it +
    >> maybe
    >> a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont allow me
    >> to
    >> upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system simply because
    >> of the different case they are promoting even though the chasis is
    >> identical and
    >> the cooling system fits my system's case (there isnt really much of a
    >> difference at all). They've given me so much grief over not allowing me
    >> to upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support tickets to get my
    >> warranty voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and though the system
    >> runs great aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware
    >> anymore. The Current System I have has
    >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    >> - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    >> for
    >> 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense
    >> they are on resources.
    >> -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    >> (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    >> - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    >> - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    >> Channels,
    >> SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com or under
    >> info
    >> in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed specs..
    >> - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    >> - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    >> - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    >>
    >> and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to
    >> the question.
    >>
    >> Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    >> Dell
    >> Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    >> motherboard
    >> and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there btw because of
    >> the
    >> cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
    >> - 1 2.80ghz 2mb L2 800 FSB Pentium Xeon (which I will sell and replace
    >> with
    >> the 2 Xeons from the Alienware)
    >> - 2GB (2 DIMMS) of DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz (which I will combine with
    >> the RAM from the Alienware to total 4 for the time being) .. The System
    >> can Hold
    >> 16mb total RAM however at the time buying it with that much costs an
    >> extra $18,000 so we're not going to go that route needless to say.
    >>
    >> - A Free 19 inch Ultra Sharp (i think those are the plasma flatscreens
    >> for dell) with the computer I plan to sell or to replace my 17inch LCD
    >> screen with and sell that ... either would make me around 3 or 4 hundred
    >> bucks. (which makes the system really worth it imo because that money
    >> can be put into more RAM or other components)
    >>
    >> - 1 160GB SATA 16mb Databurst (what is databurst btw) Cache 7200rpm HD
    >> - Generic CD Drive I will replace along with the empty slots with my
    >> Burners
    >> from the alienware (which originally came from a Dell Dimension 84000
    >> anyway).
    >>
    >> - The Case is supposively quiet, but ive heard a Dimension XPS before and
    >> those sound like an F'n Airplane. But I have Vantec Silent Fans I could
    >> steal
    >> out the Alienware and put into the case if needed not like they are
    >> expensive
    >> anyway.
    >>
    >> - It has PCI Express and other high end card slots, I think about the
    >> same amount as the alienware (several more USB and Firewire ports
    >> though). - a 2TB Total SATA Storage Capacity
    >>
    >> and plenty of other nice features... I could also go with the Dell
    >> Precision
    >> 670 nicknamed with a MT64 after it, no differences other than the options
    >> you
    >> can have installed with the system (such as the maximum amount of RAM,
    >> different software) except for one reallyyyyy big turn off and thats they
    >> dont honor the free 19inch with that one just because it's in the
    >> catagory for large buisnesses instead of Small to Medium Buisnesses. So
    >> Instead I'm going with the Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 O/S
    >> option instead, of
    >> course I'm going to Dual Boot, and also add another 400GB or maybe a
    >> 500GB SATA drive or so to my system as well.
    >>
    >> Do you think that buying the dell is worth it or is there a motherboard
    >> out
    >> there that would fit inside the alienware (i beleive the size of the
    >> board is
    >> ATX Extended , Some people have simply called it Full Tower ... Alienware
    >> refuses to provide me with the dimensions b/c they dont want
    >> to assist me in
    >> voiding my warranty that ends in april ::rolls eyes:: )... Or Lets just
    >> say
    >> Motherboard that will not be a downgrade from either of those system's
    >> boards. The alienware may be limited to 4GB of Ram but it does have 6
    >> SATA ch. , 2 IDE ch., and SLI support ... The Dell has 4 SATA channels
    >> im unsure
    >> about the IDE .. That isnt really important to me anyway, I plan on
    >> getting 2
    >> SATA hot swap bays to make storage of projects and backups easier .. and
    >> Windows 64bit stuff easier.
    >>
    >> I have searched and Searched for a motherboard compatible with either
    >> Dual 3.80ghz Xeons which run faster than 2.80ghz Dualcore Xeons according
    >> to
    >> benchmarks by many companies including dell, Same for the 3.60ghz Xeons.
    >> That
    >> takes the same Ram type I have and holds at least 8GB - 16GB of RAM ..
    >> Has the same amount and types of Card Slots as my X2 Motherboard
    >> occupied by the
    >> Delta 1010, Video Card w/ SLI or whatever connecting 2 of them together
    >> is called if not that, the Soundblaster audigy zs 2, and that does not
    >> have less
    >> USB & Firewire ports than the Alienware b/c I already have to use a USB
    >> 2.0
    >> Hub for certain things that are connected and disconnected often and
    >> other things that shouldn't be ever disconnected b/c of their consistent
    >> use. But my searches are either gotten confusing or returned nothing I
    >> can
    >> use. But if I found such a board, I would have plenty of money for other
    >> items, such as better processors, more ram, and some other cool stuff.
    >>
    >> Or do you think I should simply wait on a new system holding more than
    >> 4GB of RAM, Keep my Current Alienware System as is, Spend the money on 2
    >> More GB
    >> of RAM, a few more fast SATA Drives and or the hotswaps, maybe a
    >> lightscribe
    >> compatible burner, and a cooling system that's quieter and universal ??
    >>
    >> I think that with whatever is left over after taking what I need from the
    >> Alienware to put on the Dell's Board and in whatever case ends up being
    >> used
    >> .. I would basically have another computer sans only RAM and a large HD.
    >> I could probably make a profit off of buying this sell and selling the
    >> left overs.
    >>
    >> What do you guys think ?
    >>
    >> I know some of you are far more superior in computer knowledge than
    >> myself so any help would be greatly valued and appreciated.
    >>
    >> Just keep in mind that Sonar 5 Producer Edition, All of My Hardware I
    >> will be using, and some other applications (graphic design, photography,
    >> etc..) would be used in 64bit too ... But I will be heavily using 32bit
    >> for Gaming &
    >> Entertainment ... which is ideal ... I could have a hot Swap, external,
    >> or internal Drive for Booting up either another Windows 32bit deticated
    >> to creativity applications, no internet, no resource hogs ... 1 such
    >> drive for
    >> 64bit Windows when I need it, both of those Operating systems could
    >> acsess my
    >> storage drives easily ... and Then My Main System, finally my precisious
    >> Disk
    >> 0 400GB Drive would be free to be exclusively for everything else without
    >> interupting my programs that rely on precious CPU and RAM.
    >> __________________________________________________________________
    >> 3rd Question - Potential Problems w/ RAM, 1MB Cache CPU Q's, and Cooling
    >>
    >> Will using Dual 3.20ghz Xeons with an 1mb cache instead of a 2mb cache
    >> make
    >> a huge difference in 64bit , at least until I can save up the $2000 or so
    >> it
    >> will take to either get Dual Dual-core Xeons, or Dual 3.80ghz Xeons with
    >> a 2mb l2 cache. The Dell doesn't list that it supports a 1mb Cache
    >> however I have seen plenty for sale on ebay with 1mb Cache processors
    >> that are 100% legit refurbished systems. And will 4GB in 64bit and the
    >> 3GB 32bit uses sometimes improve 32bit windows performance noticably at
    >> all ? I was also warned by Aleinware that there might be potential
    >> problems when using more than 4GB in a system with 32bit Windows but I
    >> think they're full of crap and
    >> trying to hassel me into the expensive AMD upgrade they want me to take
    >> them
    >> up and overpay them for.
    >>
    >> Considering that I'm looking for more RAM and Higher Processors do you
    >> know
    >> of trustworthy online stores with well priced used or brand new Xeons of
    >> those types and anywhere that sells my type of ram for cheaper than
    >> nearly $300 a stick of ECC registered. My Friend who works at infeneon
    >> can only get
    >> me 512mb Dimms for free rarely of the right type, also I have 1 DIMM 1GB
    >> sticks currently (this will later change when I need 1 Dimm 2GB - 4GB
    >> sticks
    >> to get to 8, 12, or 16 GB of RAM)
    >>
    >> And for my current Xeons and System im considering and or the alienware.
    >> What is the best cost effective way to keep the system cool and quiet.
    >> The systems fans and drives are already quiet and acoustic dampening
    >> makes them
    >> inaudible ... But the Fans on my Xeons are so loud they can be picked up
    >> in
    >> an almost soundproof Dead Room / Isolation Booth for recording vocals,
    >> amps,
    >> and acoustic instruments that's about 5 feet away facing the side, part
    >> of my
    >> desk, speakers, and studio monitors inbetween it.... If I use speedfan
    >> for instance to lower the speed to 50% on each or slightly above they are
    >> silent
    >> but I am afraid to see if the cooling in the case without the 100% fan
    >> rate
    >> on the processors heatsinks will keep them cool enough when using intense
    >> applications.
    >>
    >> If you have questions about the current cooling of either system im
    >> considering you can (please do so, I dont want to make this any longer)
    >> refer
    >> to the alienware MJ12 7550i specs and dell percision 670 specs for fans
    >> (note
    >> i cannot upgrade to the liquid cooling system alienware offers despite my
    >> system being identical, its absurd, its made for my chasis, they just
    >> made a
    >> new case for the same computer and discontinued the option for my case
    >> (which
    >> is bigger, a full tower case, the big alienware signature ones)
    >>
    >> If Fans are the option please elaborate on what fans, where to get them,
    >> or
    >> their name/model. If Liquid cooling is the best option please do so as
    >> well
    >> if you know of any. Or any solution at all is appreciated, I need it to
    >> be quiet so I dont have to use isolation headphones to listen to music
    >> at a reasonable level, or have bleedthrough on my mic even in the
    >> isolation booth.
    >> Aside from Quiet it has to be as cool as it can be with the silence. I
    >> simply
    >> don't know where to begin with a solution for this. I can't seem to find
    >> a specific silent cooling system for a xeon and liquid cooling worried me
    >> slightly about the chance of a leak. The fans with liquid fillaments seem
    >> more viable but i think they are AMD exclusive.
    >>
    >> ____________________________________________________________________
    >> 4th Question
    >>
    >> Can you mix DDR2 RAM in mixed pairs i.e. 2 1GB DIMMS , 4 512mb DIMMS, 1
    >> 4GB
    >> DIMM ... And is all DDR2 ram Dual Channel, Dell's tech layout for the
    >> percision say something about Dual Ranked Ram and lists it DDR2 PC23000
    >> ECC
    >> SDRAM like that without Dual Channel like other brands, but the specs
    >> also say it supports Dual Channel DDR2 RAM PC3200 RAM ... One comment on
    >> it confuses me however maybe you can clear it up for me along with the
    >> mixed DIMMS.
    >>
    >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> These last few Questions are rather simple ..
    >>
    >> 5) Is this worth buying if its cheaper than the price it takes to
    >> purchase it at the trial end
    >> http://www.viosoftware.com/Windows ...izrate&utm_medium=mall&utm_campaign=ZAT-00007
    >> ... There are also OEM and not OEM 3 versions for $110 on ebay ... all of
    >> them are legit, but what is the difference ? There are boxed versions at
    >> more
    >> like $400 as well. (and people trying to trick people into windows xp
    >> 32bit
    >> pro with a 64x on the end but the description says it supports computers
    >> with
    >> 64bit technology and is really WinXP Pro SP2. Another ploy is trying to
    >> pass
    >> Server 3000 off as 64x WinXP Pro... How dispicable)
    >>
    >> 6) I'm not sure if I asked, sorry if I did. Does anyone know if the power
    >> supply and Dell Dimension 670's motherboard will fit in the alienware
    >> MJ12 7550i's chasis ?
    >>
    >> 7) If you found a motherboard for me so buying a new computer isn't
    >> necessary for swapping parts then can you suggest some cases for it ?
    >> Also where to look ? Or know if it will fit in my alienware case ATX
    >> Extended I think is the size reference the chasis is a Full Tower if
    >> that helps at all.
    >>
    >> 8) If you didnt read the upgrade question and come across this. Do you
    >> think
    >> an upgrade is necessary as far as a new board or PC goes or should I
    >> consider
    >> buying processors and the 2 GB left out of the Maximum 4GB my current
    >> system
    >> has ... as well as drives and acessories ... And wait for the 64bit
    >> systems
    >> to become more mainstream ??? Will 4GB be that big of an improvement for
    >> such
    >> a RAM intensive application im using ?
    >>
    >> 9) Where should I look for 64bit drivers besides 64AMD (or whatever that
    >> sites name is I keep forgetting) , official sites, and for updates such
    >> as DX
    >> plugins being avalible in 64x, Rewire as well, and when mp3s will be able
    >> to
    >> be made in 64x. I beleive only WMA and WAV are supported formats for
    >> rendering audio in 64x or with Sonar 5 in 64x.
    >>
    >> 10) Are there any other brands of computers that are reliable and cheaper
    >> that may have what im looking for thats equal or a step or so up from the
    >> system im looking at from dell ?
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 10, 2005
    #8
  9. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    I'm very confused as to how any of you mistook any of that as being rude. The
    closest thing to being rude would be making light of my dilema with pure
    cynical humor aimed at myself and some of the true morons at Alienware ive
    delt with.

    I was being very positive towards all of you and I quote myself

    "I really
    should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just frequent
    music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    forum a lot... So.. ) :"

    And my thanks in advance to anyone willing to help.

    "Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    into account my configurations and application for 64x) "

    I only added the end part because I often get a reply that can be somewhat
    cryptic to somone who doesn't know the brand of or where to look for
    something. Let alone somone who is told to perform <insert the nickname of a
    series of tasks here> to somone unfamilliar with the terminology or the
    forums own evolved lingo and e-shorthand.


    As far as asking your any help from people here at this forum, My posts were
    all mildly toned desperation for help because despite even asking just 1 of
    these questions on other forums noone seemed to know the answers or wished to
    take the time to help me, despite how much I had helped them in the past with
    my knowledge of various other technologies. Mainly Networking (I'm an MCP but
    I don't want to bother spending money on the 2 or 3 exams I have left to be
    an MCSE. There are absolutely no job openings other than 2 hours from here in
    Washington D.C. or northern, VA. Richmond,VA is a technology industry
    challenged area other than infeneon being in the outlying county. I 've given
    my advice with Older PCs, Macs, Ethical Hacking & Security, and Hardware I am
    familliar with. On top of that I have written tutorials for people such as
    the Cakewalk.com forums on how to stabilize the 5.0.0 version of Sonar 5
    before 5.0.1 came out which had around 280 serious bug fixes ... and I am
    more than willing to offer to help with Web Design (HTML, Flash, Graphics,
    etc.) as wel as my rusting near obsolete knowledge of Visual C++ and Visual
    Basic 6.

    Despite that the very same people reliant on some of my help, often going
    out of my way as far as having configured a D.A.W. for them based on their
    needs and Budget. Noone was willing to help me in return for the past 2
    weeks, usually just stating they were too lazy to help search if they replied
    at all.

    Then I remembered this place, Where I once asked about Dual Booting back
    when the promotional offer to trade in 32bit for 64x was around .. This time
    I had several questions, I apologized for the length of the questions, Put
    the trivial meant to be humorus story of my dilema at the end instead of the
    begining as it was originally typed ... I even commented I should of came
    here first because you guys know your stuff.

    This Post:
    "hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced into
    making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ..."

    hopefully was not taken as some sort of threat or blame on anyone, it was
    fear I would not be able to find my answers or have somone answer them for me
    before the end of a deal or auction that currently will allow me to afford
    and profit off of buying certain systems such as the Dell Precision 670
    Workstation because of swaping components. The Profit would go into the final
    money needed to pay for more RAM, a Larger Drive(s) than the one coming with
    the system, to add to my current. And well I think that explains my demeanor
    there better than it may had looked/read.

    The Bold text wasn't E-Shouting it was to draw your attention to the
    important stuff as opposed to my Medication induced Rambling (a common side
    effect of Adderall and Hypomania induced by Anti-Depressants before a
    moodstabilizer and in my case an anti-anxiety medication kick in) I was very
    serious about being very appreciative of any help you guys could offer me,
    The whole thing about loving you forever or if you wanted me too (" or if you
    wish") hate you in return for your help was an attempt at humor perhaps part
    of what was mistaken.

    I admit Question 2 was a bit sketchy, but im sure you guys can get the jist
    of it. But Almost every other question was very simple and straight forward,
    relating to the same things.

    I tried to provide you with enough information about what I intend to use
    64x for reference incase you were unfamilliar with Cakewalk Sonar 5 PE ,
    Digital Audio Workstations (D.A.W.), and the demands of such
    applications/systems.

    If the Dealine thing was mistaken as rudeness, I'm the one with the
    deadlines, I simply wanted to make it clear that because of not being able to
    find out a lot of this information myself and the expiration of certain
    offers and systems that I needed help weighing the options for. I have looked
    at several websites (tigerdirect, Intel's, ebay, carious pc customization
    resource sites etc.) and have been unable to find a motherboard and I was
    hoping one of the experts or people who are more familliar with 64x would
    know of some motherboards that might work for me.

    As far as asking the price after the Trial , I intend to buy it directly
    from microsoft but I have to plan ahead money wise and I cannot find a site
    anywhere or a page here that lists that price. I have been seeing various
    prices for 64x. Official legit copies from various places differing between
    100s of dollars in price and with different names like OEM, OEM3, as well as
    packaging .. I got a bit confused. Even places licsensed by microsoft to sell
    it had prices differing from $110 to $400.


    And it is not as if I have not been looking for answers to some of these
    questions or finding some of these items myself, I have not slept for 24
    hours doing so, and some of the things I asked were merely for your opinions
    or for valuable advice on any such mentioned items or info I am seeking. It
    is also untrue to assume I have found nothing, The problem is I have found
    too many variable and conflicting answers to many of the questions, and a lot
    of which that do not apply to 64x. I get pages predicting what DDR2 will be
    like when it comes out before anything about the actual RAM when searching
    for things, Wikipedia doesn't have any of the information I need just
    detailed history (rather interesting in some cases) about a lot of this stuff.

    But My overall goal was to help myself think by talking it out with people
    who know more about 64bit systems and processors than I do, to learn from
    you, and to obtain or verify information in order to make a sound and solid
    decision I won't regret because of being under time contraints.


    The closing of my introduction to my problem and my perhaps mistaken as
    rudeness, show of thanks, laced with self degratory humor, and slight
    desperation/anxiousness for reasons i've made quite clear by now as not to
    repeat myself again (as I have with some other statements, I know that can be
    a little annoying to read).

    "I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom takes
    time to answer some or all of these questions. "

    I hope nobody took that as rude, I'd be very unsure as to if the integrity
    of You for instance Charlie, the man writing some reviews for this site, whom
    also happens to be the person who insulted me and the rudest of the repliers
    yet was at all somone with integrity. However hopefully this cleared any
    misunderstandings up and you will be willing to represent yourself in a more
    professional way instead of overreacting to as of then non-existent attitude
    and I myself will leave out my tasteless humor, attempts at turning
    fustration into something to laugh at on my behalf, and make myself more
    clear as to my "tone of text".

    I reluctently apologize to anyone who misunderstood that as an attitude,
    simply because of some of your un-called for blatantly rude replies or
    mocking.

    Hopefully we all see eye to eye now at a certain level. I would still like
    to know where and what indicated to any of you I was being rude. Unless I was
    wrong about it being in particular section but such a large order of requests
    for help that was rude. I would think that all but 2 of those questions would
    be rather quick to answer or opinionate, but then again I did apologize for
    the length already. Perhaps that apology wasn't accepted ?

    Either way you guys really are quick to flame somone for being regulars.
    I'll be polite as long as you guys are, it's only rational to not overreact
    to your previous posts and hopefully see that any after this are replies with
    a clear understanding or at least more than just a mere churlish insult, if
    your going to do so, please elaborate on what you probably misunderstood or
    took offensively.

    Thanks,
    D.C.

    "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

    > that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude and use
    > his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get from me
    > without a change, that's for sure.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.
    > http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >
    > Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    > > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    > > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    > >
    > >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    > >> ranting
    > >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel
    > >> free as
    > >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from my
    > >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the length
    > >> of
    > >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are essentially
    > >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps to
    > >> get
    > >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also hope
    > >> im
    > >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other grammatical
    > >> errors ....
    > >>
    > >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    > >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr
    > >> and
    > >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to be
    > >> affordable or avalible to me.
    > >>
    > >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    > >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I
    > >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just
    > >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    > >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    > >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    > >>
    > >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    > >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    > >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    > >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    > >>
    > >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > >> into
    > >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I will
    > >> love
    > >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename (which
    > >> might
    > >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    > >> people
    > >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    > >>
    > >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    > >> Questions
    > >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    > >> version ?
    > >>
    > >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable.
    > >> If I
    > >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the right
    > >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components mentioned
    > >> for
    > >> cheap.
    > >>
    > >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    > >> 800FSB
    > >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options for
    > >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)
    > >>
    > >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    > >>
    > >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    > >> require
    > >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    > >>
    > >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression
    > >> of
    > >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    > >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > >> takes
    > >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> _________________________________________________________________
    > >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > >>
    > >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    > >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    > >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    > >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    > >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a
    > >> 4.xx with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    > >>
    > >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    > >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    > >> also
    > >> has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think
    > >> its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit
    > >> Professional
    > >> Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    > >> mid-level
    > >> to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead of
    > >> crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    > >> migrating
    > >> more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first
    > >> windows
    > >> versions period.
    > >>
    > >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    > >> ...
    > >> in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth (64bit
    > >> offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet, large
    > >> manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ), 24bit
    > >> 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the virtual
    > >> instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down
    > >> with
    > >> top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as
    > >> you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital
    > >> coldness of
    > >> the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as
    > >> standard for CD Audio.
    > >>
    > >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    > >>
    > >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    > >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    > >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    > >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    > >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones
    > >> that
    > >> combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    > >> because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it
    > >> be installed
    > >> on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via
    > >> mass
    > >> quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or
    > >> Bluray
    > >> needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    > >> backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a
    > >> daily
    > >> incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they
    > >> are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in memory
    > >> if they
    > >> arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again) ...
    > >> its
    > >> expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the best
    > >> investment.
    > >>
    > >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    > >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    > >> and
    > >> my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card) has
    > >> 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    > >> windows recording hardware hands down.
    > >>
    > >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for
    > >> the style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that
    > >> there are rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled
    > >> plugins), sampling (a
    > >> lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    > >> greatly...
    > >> they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More Ram the Less
    > >> CPU
    > >> stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU + 25% of the second
    > >> to 100% of both when doing something such as Time Stretching or when
    > >> several tracks are involved... the problem also stems from resource hogs
    > >> like anti-virus, services for programs I installed that cant be killed,
    > >> and selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when I'm idle 84% is
    > >> what I get
    > >> with only the necessary processes before Sonar is run ... Right now even
    > >> with
    > >> WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol
    > >> panels in
    > >> the system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes
    > >> like
    > >> hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax
    > >> and
    > >> answering machine program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I
    > >> have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost
    > >> never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ...
    > >> nothing changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM
    > >> usage
    > >> spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when
    > >> ram
    > >> drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing them
    > >> because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be stopped
    > >> because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I luck
    > >> out
    > >> and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the
    > >> process ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    > >>
    > >> - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    > >> stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated
    > >> to memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good
    > >> for lots
    > >> of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks with
    > >> lots
    > >> of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and simeltaneous
    > >> audio playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So in short the
    > >> more CPU
    > >> the better.
    > >>
    > >> NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    > >> benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    > >> each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb
    > >> L2
    > >> Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    > >> Processors.
    > >>
    > >> I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out
    > >> of
    > >> them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    > >> 3.80ghz
    > >> or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if AMD
    > >> becomes signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be
    > >> very biased with
    > >> either brand from what ive read despite AMDs endorsements from never
    > >> heard of
    > >> b level signed artists/engineers/producers)
    > >> __________________________________________________________________
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Question #1
    > >>
    > >> I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    > >> buying
    > >> a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    > >> it's
    > >> OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    > >>
    > >> I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    > >> in
    > >> the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to 8 -
    > >> 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    > >> Producer
    > >> Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and only 64bit
    > >> Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda need to know
    > >> the
    > >> price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't seem to find it
    > >> anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    > >>
    > >> _________________________________________________________________
    > >> 2nd Question.
    > >>
    > >> I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped
    > >> shipping them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with
    > >> lights and such. Alienware's support team tried talking me into
    > >> upgrading my motherboard, processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron
    > >> System but it would cost more than
    > >> selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it +
    > >> maybe
    > >> a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont allow me
    > >> to
    > >> upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system simply because
    > >> of the different case they are promoting even though the chasis is
    > >> identical and
    > >> the cooling system fits my system's case (there isnt really much of a
    > >> difference at all). They've given me so much grief over not allowing me
    > >> to upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support tickets to get my
    > >> warranty voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and though the system
    > >> runs great aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware
    > >> anymore. The Current System I have has
    > >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    > >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    > >> - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    > >> for
    > >> 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense
    > >> they are on resources.
    > >> -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    > >> (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    > >> - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    > >> - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    > >> Channels,
    > >> SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com or under
    > >> info
    > >> in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed specs..
    > >> - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    > >> - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    > >> - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    > >>
    > >> and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to
    > >> the question.
    > >>
    > >> Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    > >> Dell
    > >> Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    > >> motherboard
    > >> and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there btw because of
    > >> the
    > >> cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
     
    =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWVuQw==?=, Dec 10, 2005
    #9
  10. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    In the words of Colin Barnhorst:
    What is your question in a single sentence?
    --
    Andre
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    "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I'm very confused as to how any of you mistook any of that as being rude.
    > The
    > closest thing to being rude would be making light of my dilema with pure
    > cynical humor aimed at myself and some of the true morons at Alienware ive
    > delt with.
    >
    > I was being very positive towards all of you and I quote myself
    >
    > "I really
    > should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just frequent
    > music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    > Sonar
    > forum a lot... So.. ) :"
    >
    > And my thanks in advance to anyone willing to help.
    >
    > "Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    > answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    > elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    > into account my configurations and application for 64x) "
    >
    > I only added the end part because I often get a reply that can be somewhat
    > cryptic to somone who doesn't know the brand of or where to look for
    > something. Let alone somone who is told to perform <insert the nickname of
    > a
    > series of tasks here> to somone unfamilliar with the terminology or the
    > forums own evolved lingo and e-shorthand.
    >
    >
    > As far as asking your any help from people here at this forum, My posts
    > were
    > all mildly toned desperation for help because despite even asking just 1
    > of
    > these questions on other forums noone seemed to know the answers or wished
    > to
    > take the time to help me, despite how much I had helped them in the past
    > with
    > my knowledge of various other technologies. Mainly Networking (I'm an MCP
    > but
    > I don't want to bother spending money on the 2 or 3 exams I have left to
    > be
    > an MCSE. There are absolutely no job openings other than 2 hours from here
    > in
    > Washington D.C. or northern, VA. Richmond,VA is a technology industry
    > challenged area other than infeneon being in the outlying county. I 've
    > given
    > my advice with Older PCs, Macs, Ethical Hacking & Security, and Hardware I
    > am
    > familliar with. On top of that I have written tutorials for people such as
    > the Cakewalk.com forums on how to stabilize the 5.0.0 version of Sonar 5
    > before 5.0.1 came out which had around 280 serious bug fixes ... and I am
    > more than willing to offer to help with Web Design (HTML, Flash, Graphics,
    > etc.) as wel as my rusting near obsolete knowledge of Visual C++ and
    > Visual
    > Basic 6.
    >
    > Despite that the very same people reliant on some of my help, often going
    > out of my way as far as having configured a D.A.W. for them based on their
    > needs and Budget. Noone was willing to help me in return for the past 2
    > weeks, usually just stating they were too lazy to help search if they
    > replied
    > at all.
    >
    > Then I remembered this place, Where I once asked about Dual Booting back
    > when the promotional offer to trade in 32bit for 64x was around .. This
    > time
    > I had several questions, I apologized for the length of the questions, Put
    > the trivial meant to be humorus story of my dilema at the end instead of
    > the
    > begining as it was originally typed ... I even commented I should of came
    > here first because you guys know your stuff.
    >
    > This Post:
    > "hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > into
    > making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ..."
    >
    > hopefully was not taken as some sort of threat or blame on anyone, it was
    > fear I would not be able to find my answers or have somone answer them for
    > me
    > before the end of a deal or auction that currently will allow me to afford
    > and profit off of buying certain systems such as the Dell Precision 670
    > Workstation because of swaping components. The Profit would go into the
    > final
    > money needed to pay for more RAM, a Larger Drive(s) than the one coming
    > with
    > the system, to add to my current. And well I think that explains my
    > demeanor
    > there better than it may had looked/read.
    >
    > The Bold text wasn't E-Shouting it was to draw your attention to the
    > important stuff as opposed to my Medication induced Rambling (a common
    > side
    > effect of Adderall and Hypomania induced by Anti-Depressants before a
    > moodstabilizer and in my case an anti-anxiety medication kick in) I was
    > very
    > serious about being very appreciative of any help you guys could offer me,
    > The whole thing about loving you forever or if you wanted me too (" or if
    > you
    > wish") hate you in return for your help was an attempt at humor perhaps
    > part
    > of what was mistaken.
    >
    > I admit Question 2 was a bit sketchy, but im sure you guys can get the
    > jist
    > of it. But Almost every other question was very simple and straight
    > forward,
    > relating to the same things.
    >
    > I tried to provide you with enough information about what I intend to use
    > 64x for reference incase you were unfamilliar with Cakewalk Sonar 5 PE ,
    > Digital Audio Workstations (D.A.W.), and the demands of such
    > applications/systems.
    >
    > If the Dealine thing was mistaken as rudeness, I'm the one with the
    > deadlines, I simply wanted to make it clear that because of not being able
    > to
    > find out a lot of this information myself and the expiration of certain
    > offers and systems that I needed help weighing the options for. I have
    > looked
    > at several websites (tigerdirect, Intel's, ebay, carious pc customization
    > resource sites etc.) and have been unable to find a motherboard and I was
    > hoping one of the experts or people who are more familliar with 64x would
    > know of some motherboards that might work for me.
    >
    > As far as asking the price after the Trial , I intend to buy it directly
    > from microsoft but I have to plan ahead money wise and I cannot find a
    > site
    > anywhere or a page here that lists that price. I have been seeing various
    > prices for 64x. Official legit copies from various places differing
    > between
    > 100s of dollars in price and with different names like OEM, OEM3, as well
    > as
    > packaging .. I got a bit confused. Even places licsensed by microsoft to
    > sell
    > it had prices differing from $110 to $400.
    >
    >
    > And it is not as if I have not been looking for answers to some of these
    > questions or finding some of these items myself, I have not slept for 24
    > hours doing so, and some of the things I asked were merely for your
    > opinions
    > or for valuable advice on any such mentioned items or info I am seeking.
    > It
    > is also untrue to assume I have found nothing, The problem is I have found
    > too many variable and conflicting answers to many of the questions, and a
    > lot
    > of which that do not apply to 64x. I get pages predicting what DDR2 will
    > be
    > like when it comes out before anything about the actual RAM when searching
    > for things, Wikipedia doesn't have any of the information I need just
    > detailed history (rather interesting in some cases) about a lot of this
    > stuff.
    >
    > But My overall goal was to help myself think by talking it out with people
    > who know more about 64bit systems and processors than I do, to learn from
    > you, and to obtain or verify information in order to make a sound and
    > solid
    > decision I won't regret because of being under time contraints.
    >
    >
    > The closing of my introduction to my problem and my perhaps mistaken as
    > rudeness, show of thanks, laced with self degratory humor, and slight
    > desperation/anxiousness for reasons i've made quite clear by now as not to
    > repeat myself again (as I have with some other statements, I know that can
    > be
    > a little annoying to read).
    >
    > "I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > takes
    > time to answer some or all of these questions. "
    >
    > I hope nobody took that as rude, I'd be very unsure as to if the integrity
    > of You for instance Charlie, the man writing some reviews for this site,
    > whom
    > also happens to be the person who insulted me and the rudest of the
    > repliers
    > yet was at all somone with integrity. However hopefully this cleared any
    > misunderstandings up and you will be willing to represent yourself in a
    > more
    > professional way instead of overreacting to as of then non-existent
    > attitude
    > and I myself will leave out my tasteless humor, attempts at turning
    > fustration into something to laugh at on my behalf, and make myself more
    > clear as to my "tone of text".
    >
    > I reluctently apologize to anyone who misunderstood that as an attitude,
    > simply because of some of your un-called for blatantly rude replies or
    > mocking.
    >
    > Hopefully we all see eye to eye now at a certain level. I would still like
    > to know where and what indicated to any of you I was being rude. Unless I
    > was
    > wrong about it being in particular section but such a large order of
    > requests
    > for help that was rude. I would think that all but 2 of those questions
    > would
    > be rather quick to answer or opinionate, but then again I did apologize
    > for
    > the length already. Perhaps that apology wasn't accepted ?
    >
    > Either way you guys really are quick to flame somone for being regulars.
    > I'll be polite as long as you guys are, it's only rational to not
    > overreact
    > to your previous posts and hopefully see that any after this are replies
    > with
    > a clear understanding or at least more than just a mere churlish insult,
    > if
    > your going to do so, please elaborate on what you probably misunderstood
    > or
    > took offensively.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > D.C.
    >
    > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >
    >> that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude and
    >> use
    >> his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get from
    >> me
    >> without a change, that's for sure.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Charlie.
    >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >>
    >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    >> > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    >> > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    >> >
    >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    >> >> ranting
    >> >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel
    >> >> free as
    >> >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from
    >> >> my
    >> >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the
    >> >> length
    >> >> of
    >> >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are
    >> >> essentially
    >> >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps
    >> >> to
    >> >> get
    >> >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also
    >> >> hope
    >> >> im
    >> >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other
    >> >> grammatical
    >> >> errors ....
    >> >>
    >> >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE
    >> >> if
    >> >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE
    >> >> 48hr
    >> >> and
    >> >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to
    >> >> be
    >> >> affordable or avalible to me.
    >> >>
    >> >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    >> >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I
    >> >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I
    >> >> just
    >> >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    >> >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    >> >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >> >>
    >> >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can
    >> >> help
    >> >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long
    >> >> and
    >> >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't
    >> >> taken
    >> >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >> >>
    >> >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    >> >> into
    >> >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    >> >> will
    >> >> love
    >> >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename
    >> >> (which
    >> >> might
    >> >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    >> >> people
    >> >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >> >>
    >> >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with
    >> >> 64x
    >> >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    >> >> Questions
    >> >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    >> >> version ?
    >> >>
    >> >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is
    >> >> reasonable.
    >> >> If I
    >> >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the
    >> >> right
    >> >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    >> >> mentioned
    >> >> for
    >> >> cheap.
    >> >>
    >> >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    >> >> 800FSB
    >> >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options
    >> >> for
    >> >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)
    >> >>
    >> >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >> >>
    >> >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    >> >> require
    >> >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >> >>
    >> >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the
    >> >> progression
    >> >> of
    >> >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    >> >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    >> >> takes
    >> >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >> >>
    >> >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if
    >> >> you
    >> >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and
    >> >> VST
    >> >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read
    >> >> cakewalk's
    >> >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of
    >> >> 64x
    >> >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a
    >> >> 4.xx with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology
    >> >> ::shrugs::
    >> >>
    >> >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    >> >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ...
    >> >> Microsoft
    >> >> also
    >> >> has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think
    >> >> its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit
    >> >> Professional
    >> >> Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    >> >> mid-level
    >> >> to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead
    >> >> of
    >> >> crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    >> >> migrating
    >> >> more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first
    >> >> windows
    >> >> versions period.
    >> >>
    >> >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96
    >> >> Khz
    >> >> ...
    >> >> in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth
    >> >> (64bit
    >> >> offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet,
    >> >> large
    >> >> manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ),
    >> >> 24bit
    >> >> 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the
    >> >> virtual
    >> >> instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down
    >> >> with
    >> >> top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as
    >> >> you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital
    >> >> coldness of
    >> >> the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as
    >> >> standard for CD Audio.
    >> >>
    >> >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >> >>
    >> >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program
    >> >> for
    >> >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    >> >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ...
    >> >> or
    >> >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this.
    >> >> However
    >> >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the
    >> >> ones
    >> >> that
    >> >> combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    >> >> because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends
    >> >> it
    >> >> be installed
    >> >> on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via
    >> >> mass
    >> >> quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or
    >> >> Bluray
    >> >> needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    >> >> backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a
    >> >> daily
    >> >> incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they
    >> >> are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in
    >> >> memory
    >> >> if they
    >> >> arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again)
    >> >> ...
    >> >> its
    >> >> expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the
    >> >> best
    >> >> investment.
    >> >>
    >> >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    >> >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the
    >> >> hardware
    >> >> and
    >> >> my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card)
    >> >> has
    >> >> 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    >> >> windows recording hardware hands down.
    >> >>
    >> >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for
    >> >> the style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that
    >> >> there are rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled
    >> >> plugins), sampling (a
    >> >> lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    >> >> greatly...
    >> >> they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More Ram the
    >> >> Less
    >> >> CPU
    >> >> stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU + 25% of the
    >> >> second
    >> >> to 100% of both when doing something such as Time Stretching or when
    >> >> several tracks are involved... the problem also stems from resource
    >> >> hogs
    >> >> like anti-virus, services for programs I installed that cant be
    >> >> killed,
    >> >> and selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when I'm idle 84% is
    >> >> what I get
    >> >> with only the necessary processes before Sonar is run ... Right now
    >> >> even
    >> >> with
    >> >> WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol
    >> >> panels in
    >> >> the system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes
    >> >> like
    >> >> hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a
    >> >> fax
    >> >> and
    >> >> answering machine program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro
    >> >> says I
    >> >> have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs
    >> >> almost
    >> >> never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority
    >> >> ...
    >> >> nothing changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM
    >> >> usage
    >> >> spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on
    >> >> when
    >> >> ram
    >> >> drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing
    >> >> them
    >> >> because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be
    >> >> stopped
    >> >> because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I
    >> >> luck
    >> >> out
    >> >> and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the
    >> >> process ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    >> >>
    >> >> - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    >> >> stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions
    >> >> unrelated
    >> >> to memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is
    >> >> good
    >> >> for lots
    >> >> of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks
    >> >> with
    >> >> lots
    >> >> of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and simeltaneous
    >> >> audio playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So in short
    >> >> the
    >> >> more CPU
    >> >> the better.
    >> >>
    >> >> NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their
    >> >> personal
    >> >> benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds
    >> >> with
    >> >> each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz
    >> >> 2mb
    >> >> L2
    >> >> Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    >> >> Processors.
    >> >>
    >> >> I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more
    >> >> out
    >> >> of
    >> >> them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    >> >> 3.80ghz
    >> >> or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if AMD
    >> >> becomes signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be
    >> >> very biased with
    >> >> either brand from what ive read despite AMDs endorsements from never
    >> >> heard of
    >> >> b level signed artists/engineers/producers)
    >> >> __________________________________________________________________
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> Question #1
    >> >>
    >> >> I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    >> >> buying
    >> >> a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site,
    >> >> if
    >> >> it's
    >> >> OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    >> >>
    >> >> I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I
    >> >> am
    >> >> in
    >> >> the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to
    >> >> 8 -
    >> >> 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    >> >> Producer
    >> >> Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and only
    >> >> 64bit
    >> >> Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda need to
    >> >> know
    >> >> the
    >> >> price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't seem to find
    >> >> it
    >> >> anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    >> >>
    >> >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> >> 2nd Question.
    >> >>
    >> >> I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped
    >> >> shipping them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with
    >> >> lights and such. Alienware's support team tried talking me into
    >> >> upgrading my motherboard, processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron
    >> >> System but it would cost more than
    >> >> selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it +
    >> >> maybe
    >> >> a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont allow
    >> >> me
    >> >> to
    >> >> upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system simply
    >> >> because
    >> >> of the different case they are promoting even though the chasis is
    >> >> identical and
    >> >> the cooling system fits my system's case (there isnt really much of a
    >> >> difference at all). They've given me so much grief over not allowing
    >> >> me
    >> >> to upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support tickets to get my
    >> >> warranty voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and though the
    >> >> system
    >> >> runs great aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware
    >> >> anymore. The Current System I have has
    >> >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    >> >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    >> >> - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is
    >> >> exclusively
    >> >> for
    >> >> 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense
    >> >> they are on resources.
    >> >> -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    >> >> (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    >> >> - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    >> >> - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    >> >> Channels,
    >> >> SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com or
    >> >> under
    >> >> info
    >> >> in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed specs..
    >> >> - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    >> >> - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    >> >> - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    >> >>
    >> >> and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to
    >> >> the question.
    >> >>
    >> >> Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    >> >> Dell
    >> >> Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    >> >> motherboard
    >> >> and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there btw because
    >> >> of
    >> >> the
    >> >> cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Dec 10, 2005
    #10
  11. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    By the way, your expecting somone who is Ultra Rapid Cycling Bi-Polar 2
    (which is something I could get on SSI b/c it's listed as a Disability but I
    choose not to let my musical talent go to waste or to accept gov. money when
    I can easily make plenty on my own), An Anxiety Disorder, Major Depression,
    and ADD who posted the message around when he first took (also the fact I
    take):
    - 60mg of Adderall (D-Amphetamine / Amphetamine mixed Salts)
    - 50mg of Lamictal (The Only True Mood Stabilizer other than Lithium)
    - The first of 3 0.5mg Klonopins (Second strongest Anti-Anxiety/Benzo to
    Xanax)
    - 300mg of Wellbutrin (the highest or 2nd highest dose of an
    Anti-Depressant, Anti Withdrawl, Weight Loss, Alternative treatment for ADD,
    and Anti Smoking medication sold under the name Zyban .. Anti-Depressant is
    the reason I take it, apparently I don't have a lot of Dopamine upstairs.)
    - Who had their doctor the previous day tell them they were on more
    medication than anyone they treat and still almost entirely reponsive to the
    anti-depressant measures and that I should be excited about life, being 20,
    and having accomplished some of what I have.

    But hey a rough life can give you a negative vibe, im sure at least one of
    you may slightly understand how it must feel mentally and physically when
    hitting a low or anxiety driven mixed episode with negative racing thoughts.

    So excuse me for my bleak outlook and discouragement having spent more time
    than one should of trying to solve this on my own and recieving little to no
    help from people who owe it to me, strangers whom lazily answer about their
    laziness preventing them to help, Alienware Tech support giving me enough
    grief to had told them very assertively of their nazi like warranty & that I
    will not longer be a customer of theirs (having known better to be to begin
    with), or "experts" and regulars at this forum that obviously following the
    prior remarks will have to learn to excuse my Pessismistic attitude until my
    impression and feeling of people needing help that arent happy and dandy are
    very unwelcome. It only serves to further support my lack of confidence in
    the rest of the human race to be tollerable for me to withstand having a very
    low patience threshold for acusations and insults due to lack of
    consideration and general one way thinking. In this case one way optimistic (
    ; where as uncontrollably I can be that or another changing randomly from
    triggers (stress, fustration, insults), or by natural occurance, between and
    lasting for a matter of a few mins -24 hours with the closest thing to normal
    being 90% of the type Hypomania, which proves usefull in my creative outlets
    but mood swings & Anxiety pretty much kick the social aspect of life in the
    groin.

    ... But your a Smart Guy, you just come from a different world than I do
    entirely apparently. That doesn't mean we should disrespect one another or
    that your information, articles, and so forth have no been appreciated
    beforehand and that unless your going to stubbornly stay true to your
    convictions despite the obvious misunderstanding, I would value any
    information you are willing you assist me with regarding my initial post's
    questions.



    "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

    > that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude and use
    > his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get from me
    > without a change, that's for sure.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.
    > http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >
    > Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    > > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    > > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    > >
    > >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    > >> ranting
    > >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel
    > >> free as
    > >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from my
    > >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the length
    > >> of
    > >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are essentially
    > >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps to
    > >> get
    > >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also hope
    > >> im
    > >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other grammatical
    > >> errors ....
    > >>
    > >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    > >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr
    > >> and
    > >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to be
    > >> affordable or avalible to me.
    > >>
    > >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    > >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I
    > >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just
    > >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    > >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    > >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    > >>
    > >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    > >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    > >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    > >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    > >>
    > >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > >> into
    > >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I will
    > >> love
    > >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename (which
    > >> might
    > >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    > >> people
    > >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    > >>
    > >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    > >> Questions
    > >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    > >> version ?
    > >>
    > >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable.
    > >> If I
    > >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the right
    > >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components mentioned
    > >> for
    > >> cheap.
    > >>
    > >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    > >> 800FSB
    > >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options for
    > >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)
    > >>
    > >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    > >>
    > >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    > >> require
    > >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    > >>
    > >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression
    > >> of
    > >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    > >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > >> takes
    > >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> _________________________________________________________________
    > >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > >>
    > >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    > >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    > >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    > >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    > >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a
    > >> 4.xx with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    > >>
    > >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    > >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    > >> also
    > >> has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think
    > >> its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit
    > >> Professional
    > >> Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    > >> mid-level
    > >> to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead of
    > >> crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    > >> migrating
    > >> more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first
    > >> windows
    > >> versions period.
    > >>
    > >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    > >> ...
    > >> in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth (64bit
    > >> offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet, large
    > >> manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ), 24bit
    > >> 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the virtual
    > >> instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down
    > >> with
    > >> top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as
    > >> you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital
    > >> coldness of
    > >> the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as
    > >> standard for CD Audio.
    > >>
    > >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    > >>
    > >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    > >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    > >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    > >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    > >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones
    > >> that
    > >> combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    > >> because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it
    > >> be installed
    > >> on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via
    > >> mass
    > >> quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or
    > >> Bluray
    > >> needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    > >> backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a
    > >> daily
    > >> incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they
    > >> are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in memory
    > >> if they
    > >> arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again) ...
    > >> its
    > >> expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the best
    > >> investment.
    > >>
    > >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    > >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    > >> and
    > >> my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card) has
    > >> 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    > >> windows recording hardware hands down.
    > >>
    > >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for
    > >> the style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that
    > >> there are rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled
    > >> plugins), sampling (a
    > >> lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    > >> greatly...
    > >> they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More Ram the Less
    > >> CPU
    > >> stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU + 25% of the second
    > >> to 100% of both when doing something such as Time Stretching or when
    > >> several tracks are involved... the problem also stems from resource hogs
    > >> like anti-virus, services for programs I installed that cant be killed,
    > >> and selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when I'm idle 84% is
    > >> what I get
    > >> with only the necessary processes before Sonar is run ... Right now even
    > >> with
    > >> WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol
    > >> panels in
    > >> the system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes
    > >> like
    > >> hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax
    > >> and
    > >> answering machine program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I
    > >> have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost
    > >> never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ...
    > >> nothing changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM
    > >> usage
    > >> spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when
    > >> ram
    > >> drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing them
    > >> because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be stopped
    > >> because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I luck
    > >> out
    > >> and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the
    > >> process ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    > >>
    > >> - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    > >> stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated
    > >> to memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good
    > >> for lots
    > >> of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks with
    > >> lots
    > >> of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and simeltaneous
    > >> audio playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So in short the
    > >> more CPU
    > >> the better.
    > >>
    > >> NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    > >> benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    > >> each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb
    > >> L2
    > >> Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    > >> Processors.
    > >>
    > >> I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out
    > >> of
    > >> them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    > >> 3.80ghz
    > >> or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if AMD
    > >> becomes signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be
    > >> very biased with
    > >> either brand from what ive read despite AMDs endorsements from never
    > >> heard of
    > >> b level signed artists/engineers/producers)
    > >> __________________________________________________________________
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Question #1
    > >>
    > >> I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    > >> buying
    > >> a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    > >> it's
    > >> OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    > >>
    > >> I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    > >> in
    > >> the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to 8 -
    > >> 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    > >> Producer
    > >> Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and only 64bit
    > >> Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda need to know
    > >> the
    > >> price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't seem to find it
    > >> anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    > >>
    > >> _________________________________________________________________
    > >> 2nd Question.
    > >>
    > >> I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped
    > >> shipping them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with
    > >> lights and such. Alienware's support team tried talking me into
    > >> upgrading my motherboard, processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron
    > >> System but it would cost more than
    > >> selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it +
    > >> maybe
    > >> a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont allow me
    > >> to
    > >> upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system simply because
    > >> of the different case they are promoting even though the chasis is
    > >> identical and
    > >> the cooling system fits my system's case (there isnt really much of a
    > >> difference at all). They've given me so much grief over not allowing me
    > >> to upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support tickets to get my
    > >> warranty voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and though the system
    > >> runs great aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware
    > >> anymore. The Current System I have has
    > >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    > >> - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    > >> - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    > >> for
    > >> 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense
    > >> they are on resources.
    > >> -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    > >> (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    > >> - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    > >> - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    > >> Channels,
    > >> SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com or under
    > >> info
    > >> in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed specs..
    > >> - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    > >> - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    > >> - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    > >>
    > >> and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to
    > >> the question.
    > >>
    > >> Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    > >> Dell
    > >> Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    > >> motherboard
    > >> and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there btw because of
    > >> the
    > >> cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
     
    =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWVuQw==?=, Dec 10, 2005
    #11
  12. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    I'll knock them down to size. If you need to reference my first thread it
    has information on what Sonar 5 Producer Edition relies on most as far as
    resources go. The workstation is intentded to be used for a D.A.W.

    - Can you mix different types of Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM EEC PC2300 400mhz
    in pairs. Example: 2 1GB DIMMS and 4 512mb DIMMS of the same exact ram aside
    from the capacity.

    - Would you consider a Dell Precision 670 Workstation configured in order to
    swap parts either to or from (the dell motherboard being a constant in either
    the X2 Alienware being tossed out) an Alienware M-12 7550i. The Dell system
    will cost me $2069 as i configured it.

    RESULT WOULD BE: The combined computer would end up as a Dell 670's
    Motherboard in the Alienware case if it fits along with the dell power
    supply, if not, the Dells case will do just fine .. 4GB of DDR2 SDRAM 400mhz
    (16GB possible), 2 400GB SATA Drives (one with a 16mb cache for the music
    applications other 8), 1 160GB SATA Drive, system allows 2TB total internal
    non-raid SATA space, 2 External usb 2.0 80GB HDs 1 is for backup currently of
    project files and audio of works in progress, the other is deticated to 2
    plugins which run best with a deticated drives and consume 90% of the drives
    space. Dual 3.20 ghz 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB for now, system is meant for 2mb
    cache but takes 1mb as well. And I will probably make a profit from selling
    the left overs from either system (especially the free $500 Plasma or my
    current $300 LCD both flatscreens of course, the bare bones, un-needed single
    2.80ghz 2mb l2 800fsb Xeon Processor etc..)

    - Would a more economicly viable option be to buy a motherboard that is not
    a downgrade and is very similar in specifications to the 670's or better that
    will fit in the alienware m12's workstation full tower chasis and huge
    alienware well known signature casey with the lights and rounded edges. I
    beleive the board needs to be ATX Expanded sized (i think thats the correct
    spelling) Alienware will not provide me with the exact dimensions, but the
    board is actually a custom iWILL board. They refuse to help me void my
    warranty (that voids in april), or do anything other than upgrade to their
    opteron system ) :

    - If so can you refer or link any such motherboards ? I have looked to no
    avail for a decent one supporting Xeons and or 64x thats not a big step down
    in some way. I could possibly build one and sell a lot of my current stuff to
    make a nice system. Doubfully better than the 670 however or Alienwares Dual
    Opteron system.

    - Or should I sell my system as it is, it would be worth over $5,000 with
    everything as it is. Then take that and buy a new system. Keep in mind I will
    more than likely make $3,000 from the unused parts from swaping the systems
    too. Recommend a system if you think this is a better idea.

    - Will having a Dual 3.20 ghz 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB greatly decrease the
    performance compared to smaller frequency one with a 2mb cache ? Or would you
    advise me to sell the current processors and make up the difference to
    purchase either the same speed w/ a 2mb cache. I may also be able to afford
    Dual 3.80ghz Xeons with 2mb L2 caches which are clocked/benchmarked to run
    faster than a 2.80 Dualcore (so are the 3.60ghz) by dell and other companies.
    Would it be worth spending the money on that or more RAM considering my
    intended use.

    - What cooling system/method would you suggest for my particular processors
    and also if you can offer an opinion for the 3.60 or 80 as well. The
    alienware case has the alien ice cooling system, Silent Fans, but the
    processor fans are very noisy despite acoustic dampening foam treatment to
    the case. If you know of a place to purchase one you refered to use with the
    processor, please do so. Otherwise I will google or ebay it.

    - Are SATA Hot Swap Bays (i think the size i saw was 5"25 ?) for CD Trays as
    I assume and are the SATA drives special in any way such as size or their
    connectors ?

    - Would you recommend Hot Swap SATA for External USB 2.0 for Data Storage or
    a 3rd OS (I may want a deticated WinXP Pro 32bit for Sonar as well since I
    will have 2 WinXP Pro installations and keys from the alienware and dell. Of
    course 64x will be purchased as well.


    - What is a Databurst Cache offered on the 670's SATA drives (most are 16mb
    databurst cache)

    - Can you recommend a trustworth site to order ram and any other of the
    items I mentioned from for a good price in comparison to mainstream sites or
    Dell's especially. Their Ram is overpriced by far.


    - OR The Finaly solution, Should I just take my $1748.00 of dell credit
    along with some other money and max the m12 out to 4GB Dual 3.60ghz 1mb l2
    800FBS (not sure if it takes 2mb alienware probably wont tell me) but some
    hot swap drives and internal drives .. Win64x ... and Wait a while until
    bothering with a system holding tons of RAM. Keep in mind though Sampling
    and Plugins are VERY hard on RAM and Sonar and Audio playback is very hard on
    the CPU as well as some mixdown and audio processing functions (i.e. mpex
    time stretching).


    "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

    > In the words of Colin Barnhorst:
    > What is your question in a single sentence?
    > --
    > Andre
    > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
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    > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
    > FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
    >
    > "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > I'm very confused as to how any of you mistook any of that as being rude.
    > > The
    > > closest thing to being rude would be making light of my dilema with pure
    > > cynical humor aimed at myself and some of the true morons at Alienware ive
    > > delt with.
    > >
    > > I was being very positive towards all of you and I quote myself
    > >
    > > "I really
    > > should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just frequent
    > > music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    > > Sonar
    > > forum a lot... So.. ) :"
    > >
    > > And my thanks in advance to anyone willing to help.
    > >
    > > "Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    > > answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    > > elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    > > into account my configurations and application for 64x) "
    > >
    > > I only added the end part because I often get a reply that can be somewhat
    > > cryptic to somone who doesn't know the brand of or where to look for
    > > something. Let alone somone who is told to perform <insert the nickname of
    > > a
    > > series of tasks here> to somone unfamilliar with the terminology or the
    > > forums own evolved lingo and e-shorthand.
    > >
    > >
    > > As far as asking your any help from people here at this forum, My posts
    > > were
    > > all mildly toned desperation for help because despite even asking just 1
    > > of
    > > these questions on other forums noone seemed to know the answers or wished
    > > to
    > > take the time to help me, despite how much I had helped them in the past
    > > with
    > > my knowledge of various other technologies. Mainly Networking (I'm an MCP
    > > but
    > > I don't want to bother spending money on the 2 or 3 exams I have left to
    > > be
    > > an MCSE. There are absolutely no job openings other than 2 hours from here
    > > in
    > > Washington D.C. or northern, VA. Richmond,VA is a technology industry
    > > challenged area other than infeneon being in the outlying county. I 've
    > > given
    > > my advice with Older PCs, Macs, Ethical Hacking & Security, and Hardware I
    > > am
    > > familliar with. On top of that I have written tutorials for people such as
    > > the Cakewalk.com forums on how to stabilize the 5.0.0 version of Sonar 5
    > > before 5.0.1 came out which had around 280 serious bug fixes ... and I am
    > > more than willing to offer to help with Web Design (HTML, Flash, Graphics,
    > > etc.) as wel as my rusting near obsolete knowledge of Visual C++ and
    > > Visual
    > > Basic 6.
    > >
    > > Despite that the very same people reliant on some of my help, often going
    > > out of my way as far as having configured a D.A.W. for them based on their
    > > needs and Budget. Noone was willing to help me in return for the past 2
    > > weeks, usually just stating they were too lazy to help search if they
    > > replied
    > > at all.
    > >
    > > Then I remembered this place, Where I once asked about Dual Booting back
    > > when the promotional offer to trade in 32bit for 64x was around .. This
    > > time
    > > I had several questions, I apologized for the length of the questions, Put
    > > the trivial meant to be humorus story of my dilema at the end instead of
    > > the
    > > begining as it was originally typed ... I even commented I should of came
    > > here first because you guys know your stuff.
    > >
    > > This Post:
    > > "hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > > into
    > > making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ..."
    > >
    > > hopefully was not taken as some sort of threat or blame on anyone, it was
    > > fear I would not be able to find my answers or have somone answer them for
    > > me
    > > before the end of a deal or auction that currently will allow me to afford
    > > and profit off of buying certain systems such as the Dell Precision 670
    > > Workstation because of swaping components. The Profit would go into the
    > > final
    > > money needed to pay for more RAM, a Larger Drive(s) than the one coming
    > > with
    > > the system, to add to my current. And well I think that explains my
    > > demeanor
    > > there better than it may had looked/read.
    > >
    > > The Bold text wasn't E-Shouting it was to draw your attention to the
    > > important stuff as opposed to my Medication induced Rambling (a common
    > > side
    > > effect of Adderall and Hypomania induced by Anti-Depressants before a
    > > moodstabilizer and in my case an anti-anxiety medication kick in) I was
    > > very
    > > serious about being very appreciative of any help you guys could offer me,
    > > The whole thing about loving you forever or if you wanted me too (" or if
    > > you
    > > wish") hate you in return for your help was an attempt at humor perhaps
    > > part
    > > of what was mistaken.
    > >
    > > I admit Question 2 was a bit sketchy, but im sure you guys can get the
    > > jist
    > > of it. But Almost every other question was very simple and straight
    > > forward,
    > > relating to the same things.
    > >
    > > I tried to provide you with enough information about what I intend to use
    > > 64x for reference incase you were unfamilliar with Cakewalk Sonar 5 PE ,
    > > Digital Audio Workstations (D.A.W.), and the demands of such
    > > applications/systems.
    > >
    > > If the Dealine thing was mistaken as rudeness, I'm the one with the
    > > deadlines, I simply wanted to make it clear that because of not being able
    > > to
    > > find out a lot of this information myself and the expiration of certain
    > > offers and systems that I needed help weighing the options for. I have
    > > looked
    > > at several websites (tigerdirect, Intel's, ebay, carious pc customization
    > > resource sites etc.) and have been unable to find a motherboard and I was
    > > hoping one of the experts or people who are more familliar with 64x would
    > > know of some motherboards that might work for me.
    > >
    > > As far as asking the price after the Trial , I intend to buy it directly
    > > from microsoft but I have to plan ahead money wise and I cannot find a
    > > site
    > > anywhere or a page here that lists that price. I have been seeing various
    > > prices for 64x. Official legit copies from various places differing
    > > between
    > > 100s of dollars in price and with different names like OEM, OEM3, as well
    > > as
    > > packaging .. I got a bit confused. Even places licsensed by microsoft to
    > > sell
    > > it had prices differing from $110 to $400.
    > >
    > >
    > > And it is not as if I have not been looking for answers to some of these
    > > questions or finding some of these items myself, I have not slept for 24
    > > hours doing so, and some of the things I asked were merely for your
    > > opinions
    > > or for valuable advice on any such mentioned items or info I am seeking.
    > > It
    > > is also untrue to assume I have found nothing, The problem is I have found
    > > too many variable and conflicting answers to many of the questions, and a
    > > lot
    > > of which that do not apply to 64x. I get pages predicting what DDR2 will
    > > be
    > > like when it comes out before anything about the actual RAM when searching
    > > for things, Wikipedia doesn't have any of the information I need just
    > > detailed history (rather interesting in some cases) about a lot of this
    > > stuff.
    > >
    > > But My overall goal was to help myself think by talking it out with people
    > > who know more about 64bit systems and processors than I do, to learn from
    > > you, and to obtain or verify information in order to make a sound and
    > > solid
    > > decision I won't regret because of being under time contraints.
    > >
    > >
    > > The closing of my introduction to my problem and my perhaps mistaken as
    > > rudeness, show of thanks, laced with self degratory humor, and slight
    > > desperation/anxiousness for reasons i've made quite clear by now as not to
    > > repeat myself again (as I have with some other statements, I know that can
    > > be
    > > a little annoying to read).
    > >
    > > "I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > > takes
    > > time to answer some or all of these questions. "
    > >
    > > I hope nobody took that as rude, I'd be very unsure as to if the integrity
    > > of You for instance Charlie, the man writing some reviews for this site,
    > > whom
    > > also happens to be the person who insulted me and the rudest of the
    > > repliers
    > > yet was at all somone with integrity. However hopefully this cleared any
    > > misunderstandings up and you will be willing to represent yourself in a
    > > more
    > > professional way instead of overreacting to as of then non-existent
    > > attitude
    > > and I myself will leave out my tasteless humor, attempts at turning
    > > fustration into something to laugh at on my behalf, and make myself more
    > > clear as to my "tone of text".
    > >
    > > I reluctently apologize to anyone who misunderstood that as an attitude,
    > > simply because of some of your un-called for blatantly rude replies or
    > > mocking.
    > >
    > > Hopefully we all see eye to eye now at a certain level. I would still like
    > > to know where and what indicated to any of you I was being rude. Unless I
    > > was
    > > wrong about it being in particular section but such a large order of
    > > requests
    > > for help that was rude. I would think that all but 2 of those questions
    > > would
    > > be rather quick to answer or opinionate, but then again I did apologize
    > > for
    > > the length already. Perhaps that apology wasn't accepted ?
    > >
    > > Either way you guys really are quick to flame somone for being regulars.
    > > I'll be polite as long as you guys are, it's only rational to not
    > > overreact
    > > to your previous posts and hopefully see that any after this are replies
    > > with
    > > a clear understanding or at least more than just a mere churlish insult,
    > > if
    > > your going to do so, please elaborate on what you probably misunderstood
    > > or
    > > took offensively.
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > D.C.
    > >
    > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    > >
    > >> that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude and
    > >> use
    > >> his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get from
    > >> me
    > >> without a change, that's for sure.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Charlie.
    > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    > >>
    > >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    > >> > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    > >> > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    > >> >
    > >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    > >> >> ranting
    > >> >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel
    > >> >> free as
    > >> >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from
    > >> >> my
    > >> >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the
    > >> >> length
    > >> >> of
    > >> >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are
    > >> >> essentially
    > >> >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps
    > >> >> to
    > >> >> get
    > >> >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also
    > >> >> hope
    > >> >> im
    > >> >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other
    > >> >> grammatical
    > >> >> errors ....
    > >> >>
    > >> >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE
    > >> >> if
    > >> >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE
    > >> >> 48hr
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to
    > >> >> be
    > >> >> affordable or avalible to me.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    > >> >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I
    > >> >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I
    > >> >> just
    > >> >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    > >> >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    > >> >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can
    > >> >> help
    > >> >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't
    > >> >> taken
    > >> >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > >> >> into
    > >> >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    > >> >> will
    > >> >> love
    > >> >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename
    > >> >> (which
    > >> >> might
    > >> >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    > >> >> people
    > >> >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    > >> >>
     
    =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWVuQw==?=, Dec 10, 2005
    #12
  13. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    Theres no embarassment here on my part. Many of the worlds famous leaders and
    artists were bi-polar and used it to their advantage (Honest Abe, Winston
    Churchill, Napoleon) .. or in many of the artists (Kurt Cobain, Virginia
    Wolfe, Edgar Allen Poe, Winters, most likely Trent Reznor) cases died/killed
    themself over it sadly.

    I was just giving a reply that may better explain such a lengthy post,
    Medication that speeds you up makes you talkitive, however I'm still not
    quite sure what was rude unless it was simply the lengthy questions and post
    itself.

    As far as addressing it in the proper place i'd probably laugh pretty hard
    at anyone offended by me being open about myself publicly. I make light of it
    on my blogs, Scanned my pills the other day, labled it as breakfast and went
    on with that ... It's good to have sense of humor about things, I know people
    who are dying who can joke about it ::shrugs::




    "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

    > I feel sorry for your problems, but these are things you need to address in
    > an appropriate place.
    >
    > --
    > Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    > (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    > "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    > news:D...
    > >
    > > By the way, your expecting somone who is Ultra Rapid Cycling Bi-Polar 2
    > > (which is something I could get on SSI b/c it's listed as a Disability but
    > > I
    > > choose not to let my musical talent go to waste or to accept gov. money
    > > when
    > > I can easily make plenty on my own), An Anxiety Disorder, Major
    > > Depression,
    > > and ADD who posted the message around when he first took (also the fact I
    > > take):
    > > - 60mg of Adderall (D-Amphetamine / Amphetamine mixed Salts)
    > > - 50mg of Lamictal (The Only True Mood Stabilizer other than Lithium)
    > > - The first of 3 0.5mg Klonopins (Second strongest Anti-Anxiety/Benzo to
    > > Xanax)
    > > - 300mg of Wellbutrin (the highest or 2nd highest dose of an
    > > Anti-Depressant, Anti Withdrawl, Weight Loss, Alternative treatment for
    > > ADD,
    > > and Anti Smoking medication sold under the name Zyban .. Anti-Depressant
    > > is
    > > the reason I take it, apparently I don't have a lot of Dopamine upstairs.)
    > > - Who had their doctor the previous day tell them they were on more
    > > medication than anyone they treat and still almost entirely reponsive to
    > > the
    > > anti-depressant measures and that I should be excited about life, being
    > > 20,
    > > and having accomplished some of what I have.
    > >
    > > But hey a rough life can give you a negative vibe, im sure at least one of
    > > you may slightly understand how it must feel mentally and physically when
    > > hitting a low or anxiety driven mixed episode with negative racing
    > > thoughts.
    > >
    > > So excuse me for my bleak outlook and discouragement having spent more
    > > time
    > > than one should of trying to solve this on my own and recieving little to
    > > no
    > > help from people who owe it to me, strangers whom lazily answer about
    > > their
    > > laziness preventing them to help, Alienware Tech support giving me enough
    > > grief to had told them very assertively of their nazi like warranty & that
    > > I
    > > will not longer be a customer of theirs (having known better to be to
    > > begin
    > > with), or "experts" and regulars at this forum that obviously following
    > > the
    > > prior remarks will have to learn to excuse my Pessismistic attitude until
    > > my
    > > impression and feeling of people needing help that arent happy and dandy
    > > are
    > > very unwelcome. It only serves to further support my lack of confidence in
    > > the rest of the human race to be tollerable for me to withstand having a
    > > very
    > > low patience threshold for acusations and insults due to lack of
    > > consideration and general one way thinking. In this case one way
    > > optimistic (
    > > ; where as uncontrollably I can be that or another changing randomly from
    > > triggers (stress, fustration, insults), or by natural occurance, between
    > > and
    > > lasting for a matter of a few mins -24 hours with the closest thing to
    > > normal
    > > being 90% of the type Hypomania, which proves usefull in my creative
    > > outlets
    > > but mood swings & Anxiety pretty much kick the social aspect of life in
    > > the
    > > groin.
    > >
    > > ... But your a Smart Guy, you just come from a different world than I do
    > > entirely apparently. That doesn't mean we should disrespect one another or
    > > that your information, articles, and so forth have no been appreciated
    > > beforehand and that unless your going to stubbornly stay true to your
    > > convictions despite the obvious misunderstanding, I would value any
    > > information you are willing you assist me with regarding my initial post's
    > > questions.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    > >
    > >> that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude and
    > >> use
    > >> his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get from
    > >> me
    > >> without a change, that's for sure.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Charlie.
    > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    > >>
    > >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    > >> > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    > >> > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    > >> >
    > >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    > >> >> ranting
    > >> >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel
    > >> >> free as
    > >> >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from
    > >> >> my
    > >> >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the
    > >> >> length
    > >> >> of
    > >> >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are
    > >> >> essentially
    > >> >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps
    > >> >> to
    > >> >> get
    > >> >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also
    > >> >> hope
    > >> >> im
    > >> >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other
    > >> >> grammatical
    > >> >> errors ....
    > >> >>
    > >> >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE
    > >> >> if
    > >> >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE
    > >> >> 48hr
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to
    > >> >> be
    > >> >> affordable or avalible to me.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    > >> >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I
    > >> >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I
    > >> >> just
    > >> >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    > >> >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    > >> >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can
    > >> >> help
    > >> >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't
    > >> >> taken
    > >> >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > >> >> into
    > >> >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    > >> >> will
    > >> >> love
    > >> >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename
    > >> >> (which
    > >> >> might
    > >> >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    > >> >> people
    > >> >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    > >> >>
    > >> >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with
    > >> >> 64x
    > >> >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    > >> >> Questions
    > >> >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    > >> >> version ?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is
    > >> >> reasonable.
    > >> >> If I
    > >> >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the
    > >> >> right
    > >> >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    > >> >> mentioned
    > >> >> for
    > >> >> cheap.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    > >> >> 800FSB
    > >> >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options
    > >> >> for
    > >> >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    > >> >> require
    > >> >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the
    > >> >> progression
    > >> >> of
    > >> >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    > >> >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > >> >> takes
    > >> >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> _________________________________________________________________
    > >> >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > >> >>
    > >> >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if
    > >> >> you
    > >> >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and
    > >> >> VST
    > >> >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read
    > >> >> cakewalk's
    > >> >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of
    > >> >> 64x
    > >> >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a
    > >> >> 4.xx with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology
    > >> >> ::shrugs::
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    > >> >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ...
    > >> >> Microsoft
    > >> >> also
    > >> >> has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think
    > >> >> its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit
    > >> >> Professional
    > >> >> Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    > >> >> mid-level
    > >> >> to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead
    > >> >> of
    > >> >> crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    > >> >> migrating
    > >> >> more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first
    > >> >> windows
    > >> >> versions period.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96
    > >> >> Khz
    > >> >> ...
    > >> >> in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth
    > >> >> (64bit
    > >> >> offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet,
    > >> >> large
    > >> >> manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ),
    > >> >> 24bit
    > >> >> 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the
    > >> >> virtual
    > >> >> instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down
    > >> >> with
    > >> >> top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as
    > >> >> you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital
    > >> >> coldness of
    > >> >> the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as
    > >> >> standard for CD Audio.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program
    > >> >> for
    > >> >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    > >> >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ...
    > >> >> or
    > >> >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this.
    > >> >> However
    > >> >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the
    > >> >> ones
    > >> >> that
    > >> >> combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    > >> >> because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends
    > >> >> it
    > >> >> be installed
    > >> >> on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via
    > >> >> mass
    > >> >> quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or
    > >> >> Bluray
    > >> >> needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    > >> >> backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a
    > >> >> daily
    > >> >> incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they
    > >> >> are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in
    > >> >> memory
    > >> >> if they
    > >> >> arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again)
    > >> >> ...
    > >> >> its
    > >> >> expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the
    > >> >> best
    > >> >> investment.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    > >> >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the
    > >> >> hardware
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card)
    > >> >> has
    > >> >> 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    > >> >> windows recording hardware hands down.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for
    > >> >> the style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that
    > >> >> there are rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled
    > >> >> plugins), sampling (a
     
    =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWVuQw==?=, Dec 10, 2005
    #13
  14. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    I only know of Peary and Scott.

    --
    Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Theres no embarassment here on my part. Many of the worlds famous leaders
    > and
    > artists were bi-polar and used it to their advantage (Honest Abe, Winston
    > Churchill, Napoleon) .. or in many of the artists (Kurt Cobain, Virginia
    > Wolfe, Edgar Allen Poe, Winters, most likely Trent Reznor) cases
    > died/killed
    > themself over it sadly.
    >
    > I was just giving a reply that may better explain such a lengthy post,
    > Medication that speeds you up makes you talkitive, however I'm still not
    > quite sure what was rude unless it was simply the lengthy questions and
    > post
    > itself.
    >
    > As far as addressing it in the proper place i'd probably laugh pretty hard
    > at anyone offended by me being open about myself publicly. I make light of
    > it
    > on my blogs, Scanned my pills the other day, labled it as breakfast and
    > went
    > on with that ... It's good to have sense of humor about things, I know
    > people
    > who are dying who can joke about it ::shrugs::
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
    >
    >> I feel sorry for your problems, but these are things you need to address
    >> in
    >> an appropriate place.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    >> "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    >> news:D...
    >> >
    >> > By the way, your expecting somone who is Ultra Rapid Cycling Bi-Polar 2
    >> > (which is something I could get on SSI b/c it's listed as a Disability
    >> > but
    >> > I
    >> > choose not to let my musical talent go to waste or to accept gov. money
    >> > when
    >> > I can easily make plenty on my own), An Anxiety Disorder, Major
    >> > Depression,
    >> > and ADD who posted the message around when he first took (also the fact
    >> > I
    >> > take):
    >> > - 60mg of Adderall (D-Amphetamine / Amphetamine mixed Salts)
    >> > - 50mg of Lamictal (The Only True Mood Stabilizer other than Lithium)
    >> > - The first of 3 0.5mg Klonopins (Second strongest Anti-Anxiety/Benzo
    >> > to
    >> > Xanax)
    >> > - 300mg of Wellbutrin (the highest or 2nd highest dose of an
    >> > Anti-Depressant, Anti Withdrawl, Weight Loss, Alternative treatment for
    >> > ADD,
    >> > and Anti Smoking medication sold under the name Zyban ..
    >> > Anti-Depressant
    >> > is
    >> > the reason I take it, apparently I don't have a lot of Dopamine
    >> > upstairs.)
    >> > - Who had their doctor the previous day tell them they were on more
    >> > medication than anyone they treat and still almost entirely reponsive
    >> > to
    >> > the
    >> > anti-depressant measures and that I should be excited about life, being
    >> > 20,
    >> > and having accomplished some of what I have.
    >> >
    >> > But hey a rough life can give you a negative vibe, im sure at least one
    >> > of
    >> > you may slightly understand how it must feel mentally and physically
    >> > when
    >> > hitting a low or anxiety driven mixed episode with negative racing
    >> > thoughts.
    >> >
    >> > So excuse me for my bleak outlook and discouragement having spent more
    >> > time
    >> > than one should of trying to solve this on my own and recieving little
    >> > to
    >> > no
    >> > help from people who owe it to me, strangers whom lazily answer about
    >> > their
    >> > laziness preventing them to help, Alienware Tech support giving me
    >> > enough
    >> > grief to had told them very assertively of their nazi like warranty &
    >> > that
    >> > I
    >> > will not longer be a customer of theirs (having known better to be to
    >> > begin
    >> > with), or "experts" and regulars at this forum that obviously following
    >> > the
    >> > prior remarks will have to learn to excuse my Pessismistic attitude
    >> > until
    >> > my
    >> > impression and feeling of people needing help that arent happy and
    >> > dandy
    >> > are
    >> > very unwelcome. It only serves to further support my lack of confidence
    >> > in
    >> > the rest of the human race to be tollerable for me to withstand having
    >> > a
    >> > very
    >> > low patience threshold for acusations and insults due to lack of
    >> > consideration and general one way thinking. In this case one way
    >> > optimistic (
    >> > ; where as uncontrollably I can be that or another changing randomly
    >> > from
    >> > triggers (stress, fustration, insults), or by natural occurance,
    >> > between
    >> > and
    >> > lasting for a matter of a few mins -24 hours with the closest thing to
    >> > normal
    >> > being 90% of the type Hypomania, which proves usefull in my creative
    >> > outlets
    >> > but mood swings & Anxiety pretty much kick the social aspect of life in
    >> > the
    >> > groin.
    >> >
    >> > ... But your a Smart Guy, you just come from a different world than I
    >> > do
    >> > entirely apparently. That doesn't mean we should disrespect one another
    >> > or
    >> > that your information, articles, and so forth have no been appreciated
    >> > beforehand and that unless your going to stubbornly stay true to your
    >> > convictions despite the obvious misunderstanding, I would value any
    >> > information you are willing you assist me with regarding my initial
    >> > post's
    >> > questions.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude
    >> >> and
    >> >> use
    >> >> his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get
    >> >> from
    >> >> me
    >> >> without a change, that's for sure.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Charlie.
    >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >> >>
    >> >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    >> >> > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    >> >> > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for
    >> >> >> my
    >> >> >> ranting
    >> >> >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end....
    >> >> >> (feel
    >> >> >> free as
    >> >> >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh
    >> >> >> from
    >> >> >> my
    >> >> >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the
    >> >> >> length
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are
    >> >> >> essentially
    >> >> >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find"
    >> >> >> perhaps
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> get
    >> >> >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also
    >> >> >> hope
    >> >> >> im
    >> >> >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other
    >> >> >> grammatical
    >> >> >> errors ....
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED
    >> >> >> GRATTITUDE
    >> >> >> if
    >> >> >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE
    >> >> >> 48hr
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> be
    >> >> >> affordable or avalible to me.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question,
    >> >> >> even
    >> >> >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me,
    >> >> >> and I
    >> >> >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I
    >> >> >> just
    >> >> >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    >> >> >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    >> >> >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can
    >> >> >> help
    >> >> >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be
    >> >> >> long
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't
    >> >> >> taken
    >> >> >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not
    >> >> >> forced
    >> >> >> into
    >> >> >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    >> >> >> will
    >> >> >> love
    >> >> >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename
    >> >> >> (which
    >> >> >> might
    >> >> >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> people
    >> >> >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with
    >> >> >> 64x
    >> >> >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    >> >> >> Questions
    >> >> >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    >> >> >> version ?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is
    >> >> >> reasonable.
    >> >> >> If I
    >> >> >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the
    >> >> >> right
    >> >> >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    >> >> >> mentioned
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> cheap.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB
    >> >> >> L2
    >> >> >> 800FSB
    >> >> >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling
    >> >> >> Options
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more
    >> >> >> intense)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do
    >> >> >> not
    >> >> >> require
    >> >> >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the
    >> >> >> progression
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone
    >> >> >> whom
    >> >> >> takes
    >> >> >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> >> >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and
    >> >> >> if
    >> >> >> you
    >> >> >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> VST
    >> >> >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read
    >> >> >> cakewalk's
    >> >> >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> 64x
    >> >> >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> 4.xx with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology
    >> >> >> ::shrugs::
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    >> >> >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ...
    >> >> >> Microsoft
    >> >> >> also
    >> >> >> has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I
    >> >> >> think
    >> >> >> its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only
    >> >> >> 64bit
    >> >> >> Professional
    >> >> >> Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    >> >> >> mid-level
    >> >> >> to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs
    >> >> >> instead
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    >> >> >> migrating
    >> >> >> more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent
    >> >> >> first
    >> >> >> windows
    >> >> >> versions period.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96
    >> >> >> Khz
    >> >> >> ...
    >> >> >> in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth
    >> >> >> (64bit
    >> >> >> offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet,
    >> >> >> large
    >> >> >> manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ),
    >> >> >> 24bit
    >> >> >> 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the
    >> >> >> virtual
    >> >> >> instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered
    >> >> >> down
    >> >> >> with
    >> >> >> top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality
    >> >> >> (as
    >> >> >> you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme
    >> >> >> digital
    >> >> >> coldness of
    >> >> >> the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as
    >> >> >> standard for CD Audio.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the
    >> >> >> program
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB
    >> >> >> 2.0,
    >> >> >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb
    >> >> >> ...
    >> >> >> or
    >> >> >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this.
    >> >> >> However
    >> >> >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the
    >> >> >> ones
    >> >> >> that
    >> >> >> combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    >> >> >> because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar
    >> >> >> recommends
    >> >> >> it
    >> >> >> be installed
    >> >> >> on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups
    >> >> >> via
    >> >> >> mass
    >> >> >> quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously
    >> >> >> or
    >> >> >> Bluray
    >> >> >> needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> daily
    >> >> >> incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects,
    >> >> >> they
    >> >> >> are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in
    >> >> >> memory
    >> >> >> if they
    >> >> >> arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again)
    >> >> >> ...
    >> >> >> its
    >> >> >> expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the
    >> >> >> best
    >> >> >> investment.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency
    >> >> >> in
    >> >> >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the
    >> >> >> hardware
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT
    >> >> >> Card)
    >> >> >> has
    >> >> >> 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    >> >> >> windows recording hardware hands down.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> the style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that
    >> >> >> there are rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled
    >> >> >> plugins), sampling (a
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Dec 10, 2005
    #14
  15. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    "Theres no embarassment here on my part. Many of the worlds famous leaders
    and
    artists were bi-polar and used it to their advantage (Honest Abe, Winston
    Churchill, Napoleon) .. or in many of the artists (Kurt Cobain, Virginia
    Wolfe, Edgar Allen Poe, Winters, most likely Trent Reznor) cases died/killed
    themself over it sadly."

    Does this have something to do with 360 degrees of Kevin Bacon? :-s
    --
    Andre
    Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
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    "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Theres no embarassment here on my part. Many of the worlds famous leaders
    > and
    > artists were bi-polar and used it to their advantage (Honest Abe, Winston
    > Churchill, Napoleon) .. or in many of the artists (Kurt Cobain, Virginia
    > Wolfe, Edgar Allen Poe, Winters, most likely Trent Reznor) cases
    > died/killed
    > themself over it sadly.
    >
    > I was just giving a reply that may better explain such a lengthy post,
    > Medication that speeds you up makes you talkitive, however I'm still not
    > quite sure what was rude unless it was simply the lengthy questions and
    > post
    > itself.
    >
    > As far as addressing it in the proper place i'd probably laugh pretty hard
    > at anyone offended by me being open about myself publicly. I make light of
    > it
    > on my blogs, Scanned my pills the other day, labled it as breakfast and
    > went
    > on with that ... It's good to have sense of humor about things, I know
    > people
    > who are dying who can joke about it ::shrugs::
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
    >
    >> I feel sorry for your problems, but these are things you need to address
    >> in
    >> an appropriate place.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    >> "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    >> news:D...
    >> >
    >> > By the way, your expecting somone who is Ultra Rapid Cycling Bi-Polar 2
    >> > (which is something I could get on SSI b/c it's listed as a Disability
    >> > but
    >> > I
    >> > choose not to let my musical talent go to waste or to accept gov. money
    >> > when
    >> > I can easily make plenty on my own), An Anxiety Disorder, Major
    >> > Depression,
    >> > and ADD who posted the message around when he first took (also the fact
    >> > I
    >> > take):
    >> > - 60mg of Adderall (D-Amphetamine / Amphetamine mixed Salts)
    >> > - 50mg of Lamictal (The Only True Mood Stabilizer other than Lithium)
    >> > - The first of 3 0.5mg Klonopins (Second strongest Anti-Anxiety/Benzo
    >> > to
    >> > Xanax)
    >> > - 300mg of Wellbutrin (the highest or 2nd highest dose of an
    >> > Anti-Depressant, Anti Withdrawl, Weight Loss, Alternative treatment for
    >> > ADD,
    >> > and Anti Smoking medication sold under the name Zyban ..
    >> > Anti-Depressant
    >> > is
    >> > the reason I take it, apparently I don't have a lot of Dopamine
    >> > upstairs.)
    >> > - Who had their doctor the previous day tell them they were on more
    >> > medication than anyone they treat and still almost entirely reponsive
    >> > to
    >> > the
    >> > anti-depressant measures and that I should be excited about life, being
    >> > 20,
    >> > and having accomplished some of what I have.
    >> >
    >> > But hey a rough life can give you a negative vibe, im sure at least one
    >> > of
    >> > you may slightly understand how it must feel mentally and physically
    >> > when
    >> > hitting a low or anxiety driven mixed episode with negative racing
    >> > thoughts.
    >> >
    >> > So excuse me for my bleak outlook and discouragement having spent more
    >> > time
    >> > than one should of trying to solve this on my own and recieving little
    >> > to
    >> > no
    >> > help from people who owe it to me, strangers whom lazily answer about
    >> > their
    >> > laziness preventing them to help, Alienware Tech support giving me
    >> > enough
    >> > grief to had told them very assertively of their nazi like warranty &
    >> > that
    >> > I
    >> > will not longer be a customer of theirs (having known better to be to
    >> > begin
    >> > with), or "experts" and regulars at this forum that obviously following
    >> > the
    >> > prior remarks will have to learn to excuse my Pessismistic attitude
    >> > until
    >> > my
    >> > impression and feeling of people needing help that arent happy and
    >> > dandy
    >> > are
    >> > very unwelcome. It only serves to further support my lack of confidence
    >> > in
    >> > the rest of the human race to be tollerable for me to withstand having
    >> > a
    >> > very
    >> > low patience threshold for acusations and insults due to lack of
    >> > consideration and general one way thinking. In this case one way
    >> > optimistic (
    >> > ; where as uncontrollably I can be that or another changing randomly
    >> > from
    >> > triggers (stress, fustration, insults), or by natural occurance,
    >> > between
    >> > and
    >> > lasting for a matter of a few mins -24 hours with the closest thing to
    >> > normal
    >> > being 90% of the type Hypomania, which proves usefull in my creative
    >> > outlets
    >> > but mood swings & Anxiety pretty much kick the social aspect of life in
    >> > the
    >> > groin.
    >> >
    >> > ... But your a Smart Guy, you just come from a different world than I
    >> > do
    >> > entirely apparently. That doesn't mean we should disrespect one another
    >> > or
    >> > that your information, articles, and so forth have no been appreciated
    >> > beforehand and that unless your going to stubbornly stay true to your
    >> > convictions despite the obvious misunderstanding, I would value any
    >> > information you are willing you assist me with regarding my initial
    >> > post's
    >> > questions.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude
    >> >> and
    >> >> use
    >> >> his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get
    >> >> from
    >> >> me
    >> >> without a change, that's for sure.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Charlie.
    >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >> >>
    >> >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    >> >> > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    >> >> > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for
    >> >> >> my
    >> >> >> ranting
    >> >> >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end....
    >> >> >> (feel
    >> >> >> free as
    >> >> >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh
    >> >> >> from
    >> >> >> my
    >> >> >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the
    >> >> >> length
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are
    >> >> >> essentially
    >> >> >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find"
    >> >> >> perhaps
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> get
    >> >> >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also
    >> >> >> hope
    >> >> >> im
    >> >> >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other
    >> >> >> grammatical
    >> >> >> errors ....
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED
    >> >> >> GRATTITUDE
    >> >> >> if
    >> >> >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE
    >> >> >> 48hr
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> be
    >> >> >> affordable or avalible to me.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question,
    >> >> >> even
    >> >> >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me,
    >> >> >> and I
    >> >> >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I
    >> >> >> just
    >> >> >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    >> >> >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    >> >> >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can
    >> >> >> help
    >> >> >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be
    >> >> >> long
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't
    >> >> >> taken
    >> >> >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not
    >> >> >> forced
    >> >> >> into
    >> >> >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    >> >> >> will
    >> >> >> love
    >> >> >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename
    >> >> >> (which
    >> >> >> might
    >> >> >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> people
    >> >> >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with
    >> >> >> 64x
    >> >> >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    >> >> >> Questions
    >> >> >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    >> >> >> version ?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is
    >> >> >> reasonable.
    >> >> >> If I
    >> >> >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the
    >> >> >> right
    >> >> >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    >> >> >> mentioned
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> cheap.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB
    >> >> >> L2
    >> >> >> 800FSB
    >> >> >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling
    >> >> >> Options
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more
    >> >> >> intense)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do
    >> >> >> not
    >> >> >> require
    >> >> >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the
    >> >> >> progression
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone
    >> >> >> whom
    >> >> >> takes
    >> >> >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> >> >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and
    >> >> >> if
    >> >> >> you
    >> >> >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> VST
    >> >> >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read
    >> >> >> cakewalk's
    >> >> >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> 64x
    >> >> >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> 4.xx with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology
    >> >> >> ::shrugs::
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    >> >> >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ...
    >> >> >> Microsoft
    >> >> >> also
    >> >> >> has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I
    >> >> >> think
    >> >> >> its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only
    >> >> >> 64bit
    >> >> >> Professional
    >> >> >> Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    >> >> >> mid-level
    >> >> >> to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs
    >> >> >> instead
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    >> >> >> migrating
    >> >> >> more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent
    >> >> >> first
    >> >> >> windows
    >> >> >> versions period.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96
    >> >> >> Khz
    >> >> >> ...
    >> >> >> in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth
    >> >> >> (64bit
    >> >> >> offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet,
    >> >> >> large
    >> >> >> manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ),
    >> >> >> 24bit
    >> >> >> 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the
    >> >> >> virtual
    >> >> >> instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered
    >> >> >> down
    >> >> >> with
    >> >> >> top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality
    >> >> >> (as
    >> >> >> you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme
    >> >> >> digital
    >> >> >> coldness of
    >> >> >> the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as
    >> >> >> standard for CD Audio.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the
    >> >> >> program
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB
    >> >> >> 2.0,
    >> >> >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb
    >> >> >> ...
    >> >> >> or
    >> >> >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this.
    >> >> >> However
    >> >> >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the
    >> >> >> ones
    >> >> >> that
    >> >> >> combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    >> >> >> because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar
    >> >> >> recommends
    >> >> >> it
    >> >> >> be installed
    >> >> >> on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups
    >> >> >> via
    >> >> >> mass
    >> >> >> quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously
    >> >> >> or
    >> >> >> Bluray
    >> >> >> needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> daily
    >> >> >> incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects,
    >> >> >> they
    >> >> >> are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in
    >> >> >> memory
    >> >> >> if they
    >> >> >> arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again)
    >> >> >> ...
    >> >> >> its
    >> >> >> expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the
    >> >> >> best
    >> >> >> investment.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency
    >> >> >> in
    >> >> >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the
    >> >> >> hardware
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT
    >> >> >> Card)
    >> >> >> has
    >> >> >> 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    >> >> >> windows recording hardware hands down.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> the style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that
    >> >> >> there are rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled
    >> >> >> plugins), sampling (a
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Dec 10, 2005
    #15
  16. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    I would not buy the product at auction. We have had folks who purchased at
    auction only to find out that it did them no good. Pass on the auctions.
    All of them. Avoid, avoid, avoid.

    Start by viewing the webcast by Charlie Russel:
    http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=909753

    If you have a 64-bit machine already:

    The trial is provided so that you can decide whether or not to buy the
    released edition. Get it here:
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/trial.mspx

    Use the downloaded trial and then decide if you want to purchase the OEM.

    If you decide to purchase the OEM edition, do so from an authorized system
    builder. There is no financial mechanism to upgrade a trial version. We
    can give you some links if you decide to go 64.

    If you need to select a 64-bit machine:

    What I would do is contact a system builder like CyberPower and buy a system
    with x64 preinstalled. You are assured of drivers for the components that
    way.

    Personally, I recommend ordering a system with both XP Pro x86 and XP Pro
    x64 preinstalled because retrofitting x86 onto a system already running a
    later OS is not always easy. Having the system builder do it assures
    support for the dual-boot system. You will not get support from Microsoft
    anyway since the OS is only available as OEM.

    btw, the ram won't care whether the OS is 32-bit or 64-bit. Buy ram that
    works well with the cpu and mobo.

    --
    Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Theres no embarassment here on my part. Many of the worlds famous leaders
    > and
    > artists were bi-polar and used it to their advantage (Honest Abe, Winston
    > Churchill, Napoleon) .. or in many of the artists (Kurt Cobain, Virginia
    > Wolfe, Edgar Allen Poe, Winters, most likely Trent Reznor) cases
    > died/killed
    > themself over it sadly.
    >
    > I was just giving a reply that may better explain such a lengthy post,
    > Medication that speeds you up makes you talkitive, however I'm still not
    > quite sure what was rude unless it was simply the lengthy questions and
    > post
    > itself.
    >
    > As far as addressing it in the proper place i'd probably laugh pretty hard
    > at anyone offended by me being open about myself publicly. I make light of
    > it
    > on my blogs, Scanned my pills the other day, labled it as breakfast and
    > went
    > on with that ... It's good to have sense of humor about things, I know
    > people
    > who are dying who can joke about it ::shrugs::
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
    >
    >> I feel sorry for your problems, but these are things you need to address
    >> in
    >> an appropriate place.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    >> "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    >> news:D...
    >> >
    >> > By the way, your expecting somone who is Ultra Rapid Cycling Bi-Polar 2
    >> > (which is something I could get on SSI b/c it's listed as a Disability
    >> > but
    >> > I
    >> > choose not to let my musical talent go to waste or to accept gov. money
    >> > when
    >> > I can easily make plenty on my own), An Anxiety Disorder, Major
    >> > Depression,
    >> > and ADD who posted the message around when he first took (also the fact
    >> > I
    >> > take):
    >> > - 60mg of Adderall (D-Amphetamine / Amphetamine mixed Salts)
    >> > - 50mg of Lamictal (The Only True Mood Stabilizer other than Lithium)
    >> > - The first of 3 0.5mg Klonopins (Second strongest Anti-Anxiety/Benzo
    >> > to
    >> > Xanax)
    >> > - 300mg of Wellbutrin (the highest or 2nd highest dose of an
    >> > Anti-Depressant, Anti Withdrawl, Weight Loss, Alternative treatment for
    >> > ADD,
    >> > and Anti Smoking medication sold under the name Zyban ..
    >> > Anti-Depressant
    >> > is
    >> > the reason I take it, apparently I don't have a lot of Dopamine
    >> > upstairs.)
    >> > - Who had their doctor the previous day tell them they were on more
    >> > medication than anyone they treat and still almost entirely reponsive
    >> > to
    >> > the
    >> > anti-depressant measures and that I should be excited about life, being
    >> > 20,
    >> > and having accomplished some of what I have.
    >> >
    >> > But hey a rough life can give you a negative vibe, im sure at least one
    >> > of
    >> > you may slightly understand how it must feel mentally and physically
    >> > when
    >> > hitting a low or anxiety driven mixed episode with negative racing
    >> > thoughts.
    >> >
    >> > So excuse me for my bleak outlook and discouragement having spent more
    >> > time
    >> > than one should of trying to solve this on my own and recieving little
    >> > to
    >> > no
    >> > help from people who owe it to me, strangers whom lazily answer about
    >> > their
    >> > laziness preventing them to help, Alienware Tech support giving me
    >> > enough
    >> > grief to had told them very assertively of their nazi like warranty &
    >> > that
    >> > I
    >> > will not longer be a customer of theirs (having known better to be to
    >> > begin
    >> > with), or "experts" and regulars at this forum that obviously following
    >> > the
    >> > prior remarks will have to learn to excuse my Pessismistic attitude
    >> > until
    >> > my
    >> > impression and feeling of people needing help that arent happy and
    >> > dandy
    >> > are
    >> > very unwelcome. It only serves to further support my lack of confidence
    >> > in
    >> > the rest of the human race to be tollerable for me to withstand having
    >> > a
    >> > very
    >> > low patience threshold for acusations and insults due to lack of
    >> > consideration and general one way thinking. In this case one way
    >> > optimistic (
    >> > ; where as uncontrollably I can be that or another changing randomly
    >> > from
    >> > triggers (stress, fustration, insults), or by natural occurance,
    >> > between
    >> > and
    >> > lasting for a matter of a few mins -24 hours with the closest thing to
    >> > normal
    >> > being 90% of the type Hypomania, which proves usefull in my creative
    >> > outlets
    >> > but mood swings & Anxiety pretty much kick the social aspect of life in
    >> > the
    >> > groin.
    >> >
    >> > ... But your a Smart Guy, you just come from a different world than I
    >> > do
    >> > entirely apparently. That doesn't mean we should disrespect one another
    >> > or
    >> > that your information, articles, and so forth have no been appreciated
    >> > beforehand and that unless your going to stubbornly stay true to your
    >> > convictions despite the obvious misunderstanding, I would value any
    >> > information you are willing you assist me with regarding my initial
    >> > post's
    >> > questions.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude
    >> >> and
    >> >> use
    >> >> his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get
    >> >> from
    >> >> me
    >> >> without a change, that's for sure.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Charlie.
    >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >> >>
    >> >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    >> >> > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    >> >> > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for
    >> >> >> my
    >> >> >> ranting
    >> >> >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end....
    >> >> >> (feel
    >> >> >> free as
    >> >> >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh
    >> >> >> from
    >> >> >> my
    >> >> >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the
    >> >> >> length
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are
    >> >> >> essentially
    >> >> >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find"
    >> >> >> perhaps
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> get
    >> >> >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also
    >> >> >> hope
    >> >> >> im
    >> >> >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other
    >> >> >> grammatical
    >> >> >> errors ....
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED
    >> >> >> GRATTITUDE
    >> >> >> if
    >> >> >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE
    >> >> >> 48hr
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> be
    >> >> >> affordable or avalible to me.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question,
    >> >> >> even
    >> >> >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me,
    >> >> >> and I
    >> >> >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I
    >> >> >> just
    >> >> >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    >> >> >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    >> >> >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can
    >> >> >> help
    >> >> >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be
    >> >> >> long
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't
    >> >> >> taken
    >> >> >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not
    >> >> >> forced
    >> >> >> into
    >> >> >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    >> >> >> will
    >> >> >> love
    >> >> >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename
    >> >> >> (which
    >> >> >> might
    >> >> >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer
    >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> people
    >> >> >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with
    >> >> >> 64x
    >> >> >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    >> >> >> Questions
    >> >> >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    >> >> >> version ?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is
    >> >> >> reasonable.
    >> >> >> If I
    >> >> >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the
    >> >> >> right
    >> >> >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    >> >> >> mentioned
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> cheap.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB
    >> >> >> L2
    >> >> >> 800FSB
    >> >> >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling
    >> >> >> Options
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more
    >> >> >> intense)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do
    >> >> >> not
    >> >> >> require
    >> >> >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the
    >> >> >> progression
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone
    >> >> >> whom
    >> >> >> takes
    >> >> >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> >> >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and
    >> >> >> if
    >> >> >> you
    >> >> >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> VST
    >> >> >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read
    >> >> >> cakewalk's
    >> >> >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> 64x
    >> >> >> used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> 4.xx with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology
    >> >> >> ::shrugs::
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    >> >> >> http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ...
    >> >> >> Microsoft
    >> >> >> also
    >> >> >> has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I
    >> >> >> think
    >> >> >> its linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only
    >> >> >> 64bit
    >> >> >> Professional
    >> >> >> Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    >> >> >> mid-level
    >> >> >> to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs
    >> >> >> instead
    >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    >> >> >> migrating
    >> >> >> more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent
    >> >> >> first
    >> >> >> windows
    >> >> >> versions period.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96
    >> >> >> Khz
    >> >> >> ...
    >> >> >> in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth
    >> >> >> (64bit
    >> >> >> offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet,
    >> >> >> large
    >> >> >> manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ),
    >> >> >> 24bit
    >> >> >> 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the
    >> >> >> virtual
    >> >> >> instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered
    >> >> >> down
    >> >> >> with
    >> >> >> top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality
    >> >> >> (as
    >> >> >> you hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme
    >> >> >> digital
    >> >> >> coldness of
    >> >> >> the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as
    >> >> >> standard for CD Audio.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> The Main things Sonar relies on:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the
    >> >> >> program
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB
    >> >> >> 2.0,
    >> >> >> Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb
    >> >> >> ...
    >> >> >> or
    >> >> >> SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this.
    >> >> >> However
    >> >> >> Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the
    >> >> >> ones
    >> >> >> that
    >> >> >> combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar
    >> >> >> because many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar
    >> >> >> recommends
    >> >> >> it
    >> >> >> be installed
    >> >> >> on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups
    >> >> >> via
    >> >> >> mass
    >> >> >> quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously
    >> >> >> or
    >> >> >> Bluray
    >> >> >> needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold
    >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> daily
    >> >> >> incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects,
    >> >> >> they
    >> >> >> are not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in
    >> >> >> memory
    >> >> >> if they
    >> >> >> arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again)
    >> >> >> ...
    >> >> >> its
    >> >> >> expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the
    >> >> >> best
    >> >> >> investment.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency
    >> >> >> in
    >> >> >> certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the
    >> >> >> hardware
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT
    >> >> >> Card)
    >> >> >> has
    >> >> >> 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for
    >> >> >> windows recording hardware hands down.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it
    >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> the style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that
    >> >> >> there are rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled
    >> >> >> plugins), sampling (a
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Dec 10, 2005
    #16
  17. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    Doh lol ..

    Thankyou for being the only person i've noticed replying with good advice on
    how to ask the questions (I had no way of knowing a lengthy one was so rude
    considering most groups and forums are like that) and for having a sense of
    humor lol.

    "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

    > "Theres no embarassment here on my part. Many of the worlds famous leaders
    > and
    > artists were bi-polar and used it to their advantage (Honest Abe, Winston
    > Churchill, Napoleon) .. or in many of the artists (Kurt Cobain, Virginia
    > Wolfe, Edgar Allen Poe, Winters, most likely Trent Reznor) cases died/killed
    > themself over it sadly."
    >
    > Does this have something to do with 360 degrees of Kevin Bacon? :-s
    > --
    > Andre
    > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
    > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
    > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
    > FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
    >
    > "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Theres no embarassment here on my part. Many of the worlds famous leaders
    > > and
    > > artists were bi-polar and used it to their advantage (Honest Abe, Winston
    > > Churchill, Napoleon) .. or in many of the artists (Kurt Cobain, Virginia
    > > Wolfe, Edgar Allen Poe, Winters, most likely Trent Reznor) cases
    > > died/killed
    > > themself over it sadly.
    > >
    > > I was just giving a reply that may better explain such a lengthy post,
    > > Medication that speeds you up makes you talkitive, however I'm still not
    > > quite sure what was rude unless it was simply the lengthy questions and
    > > post
    > > itself.
    > >
    > > As far as addressing it in the proper place i'd probably laugh pretty hard
    > > at anyone offended by me being open about myself publicly. I make light of
    > > it
    > > on my blogs, Scanned my pills the other day, labled it as breakfast and
    > > went
    > > on with that ... It's good to have sense of humor about things, I know
    > > people
    > > who are dying who can joke about it ::shrugs::
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
    > >
    > >> I feel sorry for your problems, but these are things you need to address
    > >> in
    > >> an appropriate place.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    > >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    > >> "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    > >> news:D...
    > >> >
    > >> > By the way, your expecting somone who is Ultra Rapid Cycling Bi-Polar 2
    > >> > (which is something I could get on SSI b/c it's listed as a Disability
    > >> > but
    > >> > I
    > >> > choose not to let my musical talent go to waste or to accept gov. money
    > >> > when
    > >> > I can easily make plenty on my own), An Anxiety Disorder, Major
    > >> > Depression,
    > >> > and ADD who posted the message around when he first took (also the fact
    > >> > I
    > >> > take):
    > >> > - 60mg of Adderall (D-Amphetamine / Amphetamine mixed Salts)
    > >> > - 50mg of Lamictal (The Only True Mood Stabilizer other than Lithium)
    > >> > - The first of 3 0.5mg Klonopins (Second strongest Anti-Anxiety/Benzo
    > >> > to
    > >> > Xanax)
    > >> > - 300mg of Wellbutrin (the highest or 2nd highest dose of an
    > >> > Anti-Depressant, Anti Withdrawl, Weight Loss, Alternative treatment for
    > >> > ADD,
    > >> > and Anti Smoking medication sold under the name Zyban ..
    > >> > Anti-Depressant
    > >> > is
    > >> > the reason I take it, apparently I don't have a lot of Dopamine
    > >> > upstairs.)
    > >> > - Who had their doctor the previous day tell them they were on more
    > >> > medication than anyone they treat and still almost entirely reponsive
    > >> > to
    > >> > the
    > >> > anti-depressant measures and that I should be excited about life, being
    > >> > 20,
    > >> > and having accomplished some of what I have.
    > >> >
    > >> > But hey a rough life can give you a negative vibe, im sure at least one
    > >> > of
    > >> > you may slightly understand how it must feel mentally and physically
    > >> > when
    > >> > hitting a low or anxiety driven mixed episode with negative racing
    > >> > thoughts.
    > >> >
    > >> > So excuse me for my bleak outlook and discouragement having spent more
    > >> > time
    > >> > than one should of trying to solve this on my own and recieving little
    > >> > to
    > >> > no
    > >> > help from people who owe it to me, strangers whom lazily answer about
    > >> > their
    > >> > laziness preventing them to help, Alienware Tech support giving me
    > >> > enough
    > >> > grief to had told them very assertively of their nazi like warranty &
    > >> > that
    > >> > I
    > >> > will not longer be a customer of theirs (having known better to be to
    > >> > begin
    > >> > with), or "experts" and regulars at this forum that obviously following
    > >> > the
    > >> > prior remarks will have to learn to excuse my Pessismistic attitude
    > >> > until
    > >> > my
    > >> > impression and feeling of people needing help that arent happy and
    > >> > dandy
    > >> > are
    > >> > very unwelcome. It only serves to further support my lack of confidence
    > >> > in
    > >> > the rest of the human race to be tollerable for me to withstand having
    > >> > a
    > >> > very
    > >> > low patience threshold for acusations and insults due to lack of
    > >> > consideration and general one way thinking. In this case one way
    > >> > optimistic (
    > >> > ; where as uncontrollably I can be that or another changing randomly
    > >> > from
    > >> > triggers (stress, fustration, insults), or by natural occurance,
    > >> > between
    > >> > and
    > >> > lasting for a matter of a few mins -24 hours with the closest thing to
    > >> > normal
    > >> > being 90% of the type Hypomania, which proves usefull in my creative
    > >> > outlets
    > >> > but mood swings & Anxiety pretty much kick the social aspect of life in
    > >> > the
    > >> > groin.
    > >> >
    > >> > ... But your a Smart Guy, you just come from a different world than I
    > >> > do
    > >> > entirely apparently. That doesn't mean we should disrespect one another
    > >> > or
    > >> > that your information, articles, and so forth have no been appreciated
    > >> > beforehand and that unless your going to stubbornly stay true to your
    > >> > convictions despite the obvious misunderstanding, I would value any
    > >> > information you are willing you assist me with regarding my initial
    > >> > post's
    > >> > questions.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> use
    > >> >> his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get
    > >> >> from
    > >> >> me
    > >> >> without a change, that's for sure.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> Charlie.
    > >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    > >> >> > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    > >> >> > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for
    > >> >> >> my
    > >> >> >> ranting
    > >> >> >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end....
    > >> >> >> (feel
    > >> >> >> free as
    > >> >> >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh
    > >> >> >> from
    > >> >> >> my
    > >> >> >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the
    > >> >> >> length
    > >> >> >> of
    > >> >> >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are
    > >> >> >> essentially
    > >> >> >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find"
    > >> >> >> perhaps
    > >> >> >> to
    > >> >> >> get
    > >> >> >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also
    > >> >> >> hope
    > >> >> >> im
    > >> >> >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other
    > >> >> >> grammatical
    > >> >> >> errors ....
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED
    > >> >> >> GRATTITUDE
    > >> >> >> if
    > >> >> >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE
    > >> >> >> 48hr
    > >> >> >> and
    > >> >> >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below
    > >> >> >> to
    > >> >> >> be
    > >> >> >> affordable or avalible to me.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question,
    > >> >> >> even
    > >> >> >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me,
    > >> >> >> and I
    > >> >> >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I
    > >> >> >> just
    > >> >> >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    > >> >> >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    > >> >> >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can
    > >> >> >> help
    > >> >> >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be
    > >> >> >> long
    > >> >> >> and
    > >> >> >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't
    > >> >> >> taken
    > >> >> >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not
    > >> >> >> forced
    > >> >> >> into
    > >> >> >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    > >> >> >> will
    > >> >> >> love
    > >> >> >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename
    > >> >> >> (which
    > >> >> >> might
    > >> >> >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer
    > >> >> >> to
    > >> >> >> people
    > >> >> >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with
    > >> >> >> 64x
    > >> >> >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    > >> >> >> Questions
    > >> >> >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full
    > >> >> >> version ?
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is
    > >> >> >> reasonable.
    > >> >> >> If I
    > >> >> >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the
    > >> >> >> right
    > >> >> >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    > >> >> >> mentioned
    > >> >> >> for
    > >> >> >> cheap.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB
    > >> >> >> L2
    > >> >> >> 800FSB
    > >> >> >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling
    > >> >> >> Options
    > >> >> >> for
    > >> >> >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more
    > >> >> >> intense)
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do
    > >> >> >> not
    > >> >> >> require
    > >> >> >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the
    > >> >> >> progression
    > >> >> >> of
    > >> >> >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make
    > >> >> >> a
    > >> >> >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone
    > >> >> >> whom
    > >> >> >> takes
    > >> >> >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________
    > >> >> >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and
    > >> >> >> if
    > >> >> >> you
    > >> >> >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX
    > >> >> >> and
    > >> >> >> VST
    > >> >> >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read
    > >> >> >> cakewalk's
    > >> >> >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account
    > >> >> >> of
     
    =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWVuQw==?=, Dec 10, 2005
    #17
  18. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    :) We just want to make it easy for you, so make it easy for us. Colin has
    some good tips and instructions worth checking out. :)
    --
    Andre
    Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
    Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
    http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
    FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

    "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Doh lol ..
    >
    > Thankyou for being the only person i've noticed replying with good advice
    > on
    > how to ask the questions (I had no way of knowing a lengthy one was so
    > rude
    > considering most groups and forums are like that) and for having a sense
    > of
    > humor lol.
    >
    > "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
    >
    >> "Theres no embarassment here on my part. Many of the worlds famous
    >> leaders
    >> and
    >> artists were bi-polar and used it to their advantage (Honest Abe, Winston
    >> Churchill, Napoleon) .. or in many of the artists (Kurt Cobain, Virginia
    >> Wolfe, Edgar Allen Poe, Winters, most likely Trent Reznor) cases
    >> died/killed
    >> themself over it sadly."
    >>
    >> Does this have something to do with 360 degrees of Kevin Bacon? :-s
    >> --
    >> Andre
    >> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
    >> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
    >> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
    >> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
    >>
    >> "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> > Theres no embarassment here on my part. Many of the worlds famous
    >> > leaders
    >> > and
    >> > artists were bi-polar and used it to their advantage (Honest Abe,
    >> > Winston
    >> > Churchill, Napoleon) .. or in many of the artists (Kurt Cobain,
    >> > Virginia
    >> > Wolfe, Edgar Allen Poe, Winters, most likely Trent Reznor) cases
    >> > died/killed
    >> > themself over it sadly.
    >> >
    >> > I was just giving a reply that may better explain such a lengthy post,
    >> > Medication that speeds you up makes you talkitive, however I'm still
    >> > not
    >> > quite sure what was rude unless it was simply the lengthy questions and
    >> > post
    >> > itself.
    >> >
    >> > As far as addressing it in the proper place i'd probably laugh pretty
    >> > hard
    >> > at anyone offended by me being open about myself publicly. I make light
    >> > of
    >> > it
    >> > on my blogs, Scanned my pills the other day, labled it as breakfast and
    >> > went
    >> > on with that ... It's good to have sense of humor about things, I know
    >> > people
    >> > who are dying who can joke about it ::shrugs::
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> I feel sorry for your problems, but these are things you need to
    >> >> address
    >> >> in
    >> >> an appropriate place.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    >> >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    >> >> "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    >> >> news:D...
    >> >> >
    >> >> > By the way, your expecting somone who is Ultra Rapid Cycling
    >> >> > Bi-Polar 2
    >> >> > (which is something I could get on SSI b/c it's listed as a
    >> >> > Disability
    >> >> > but
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > choose not to let my musical talent go to waste or to accept gov.
    >> >> > money
    >> >> > when
    >> >> > I can easily make plenty on my own), An Anxiety Disorder, Major
    >> >> > Depression,
    >> >> > and ADD who posted the message around when he first took (also the
    >> >> > fact
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > take):
    >> >> > - 60mg of Adderall (D-Amphetamine / Amphetamine mixed Salts)
    >> >> > - 50mg of Lamictal (The Only True Mood Stabilizer other than
    >> >> > Lithium)
    >> >> > - The first of 3 0.5mg Klonopins (Second strongest
    >> >> > Anti-Anxiety/Benzo
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > Xanax)
    >> >> > - 300mg of Wellbutrin (the highest or 2nd highest dose of an
    >> >> > Anti-Depressant, Anti Withdrawl, Weight Loss, Alternative treatment
    >> >> > for
    >> >> > ADD,
    >> >> > and Anti Smoking medication sold under the name Zyban ..
    >> >> > Anti-Depressant
    >> >> > is
    >> >> > the reason I take it, apparently I don't have a lot of Dopamine
    >> >> > upstairs.)
    >> >> > - Who had their doctor the previous day tell them they were on more
    >> >> > medication than anyone they treat and still almost entirely
    >> >> > reponsive
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > anti-depressant measures and that I should be excited about life,
    >> >> > being
    >> >> > 20,
    >> >> > and having accomplished some of what I have.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > But hey a rough life can give you a negative vibe, im sure at least
    >> >> > one
    >> >> > of
    >> >> > you may slightly understand how it must feel mentally and physically
    >> >> > when
    >> >> > hitting a low or anxiety driven mixed episode with negative racing
    >> >> > thoughts.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > So excuse me for my bleak outlook and discouragement having spent
    >> >> > more
    >> >> > time
    >> >> > than one should of trying to solve this on my own and recieving
    >> >> > little
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > no
    >> >> > help from people who owe it to me, strangers whom lazily answer
    >> >> > about
    >> >> > their
    >> >> > laziness preventing them to help, Alienware Tech support giving me
    >> >> > enough
    >> >> > grief to had told them very assertively of their nazi like warranty
    >> >> > &
    >> >> > that
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > will not longer be a customer of theirs (having known better to be
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > begin
    >> >> > with), or "experts" and regulars at this forum that obviously
    >> >> > following
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > prior remarks will have to learn to excuse my Pessismistic attitude
    >> >> > until
    >> >> > my
    >> >> > impression and feeling of people needing help that arent happy and
    >> >> > dandy
    >> >> > are
    >> >> > very unwelcome. It only serves to further support my lack of
    >> >> > confidence
    >> >> > in
    >> >> > the rest of the human race to be tollerable for me to withstand
    >> >> > having
    >> >> > a
    >> >> > very
    >> >> > low patience threshold for acusations and insults due to lack of
    >> >> > consideration and general one way thinking. In this case one way
    >> >> > optimistic (
    >> >> > ; where as uncontrollably I can be that or another changing randomly
    >> >> > from
    >> >> > triggers (stress, fustration, insults), or by natural occurance,
    >> >> > between
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > lasting for a matter of a few mins -24 hours with the closest thing
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > normal
    >> >> > being 90% of the type Hypomania, which proves usefull in my creative
    >> >> > outlets
    >> >> > but mood swings & Anxiety pretty much kick the social aspect of life
    >> >> > in
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > groin.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > ... But your a Smart Guy, you just come from a different world than
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > do
    >> >> > entirely apparently. That doesn't mean we should disrespect one
    >> >> > another
    >> >> > or
    >> >> > that your information, articles, and so forth have no been
    >> >> > appreciated
    >> >> > beforehand and that unless your going to stubbornly stay true to
    >> >> > your
    >> >> > convictions despite the obvious misunderstanding, I would value any
    >> >> > information you are willing you assist me with regarding my initial
    >> >> > post's
    >> >> > questions.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> that would require that he actually come in with a positive
    >> >> >> attitude
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> use
    >> >> >> his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll
    >> >> >> get
    >> >> >> from
    >> >> >> me
    >> >> >> without a change, that's for sure.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> Charlie.
    >> >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    >> >> >> > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste
    >> >> >> > of
    >> >> >> > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and
    >> >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> >> my
    >> >> >> >> ranting
    >> >> >> >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end....
    >> >> >> >> (feel
    >> >> >> >> free as
    >> >> >> >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh
    >> >> >> >> from
    >> >> >> >> my
    >> >> >> >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for
    >> >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> >> length
    >> >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are
    >> >> >> >> essentially
    >> >> >> >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find"
    >> >> >> >> perhaps
    >> >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> >> get
    >> >> >> >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I
    >> >> >> >> also
    >> >> >> >> hope
    >> >> >> >> im
    >> >> >> >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other
    >> >> >> >> grammatical
    >> >> >> >> errors ....
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED
    >> >> >> >> GRATTITUDE
    >> >> >> >> if
    >> >> >> >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate
    >> >> >> >> THE
    >> >> >> >> 48hr
    >> >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions
    >> >> >> >> below
    >> >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> >> be
    >> >> >> >> affordable or avalible to me.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1
    >> >> >> >> question,
    >> >> >> >> even
    >> >> >> >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me,
    >> >> >> >> and I
    >> >> >> >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff
    >> >> >> >> , I
    >> >> >> >> just
    >> >> >> >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    >> >> >> >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    >> >> >> >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom
    >> >> >> >> can
    >> >> >> >> help
    >> >> >> >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be
    >> >> >> >> long
    >> >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that
    >> >> >> >> doesn't
    >> >> >> >> taken
    >> >> >> >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not
    >> >> >> >> forced
    >> >> >> >> into
    >> >> >> >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ...
    >> >> >> >> I
    >> >> >> >> will
    >> >> >> >> love
    >> >> >> >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename
    >> >> >> >> (which
    >> >> >> >> might
    >> >> >> >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may
    >> >> >> >> offer
    >> >> >> >> to
    >> >> >> >> people
    >> >> >> >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me
    >> >> >> >> lol).
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use
    >> >> >> >> with
    >> >> >> >> 64x
    >> >> >> >> ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    >> >> >> >> Questions
    >> >> >> >> --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to
    >> >> >> >> full
    >> >> >> >> version ?
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is
    >> >> >> >> reasonable.
    >> >> >> >> If I
    >> >> >> >> should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with
    >> >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> >> right
    >> >> >> >> specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components
    >> >> >> >> mentioned
    >> >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> >> cheap.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with
    >> >> >> >> 1MB
    >> >> >> >> L2
    >> >> >> >> 800FSB
    >> >> >> >> Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling
    >> >> >> >> Options
    >> >> >> >> for
    >> >> >> >> Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more
    >> >> >> >> intense)
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do
    >> >> >> >> not
    >> >> >> >> require
    >> >> >> >> a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the
    >> >> >> >> progression
    >> >> >> >> of
    >> >> >> >> my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to
    >> >> >> >> make
    >> >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> >> decision and less than 48 for the others)
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to
    >> >> >> >> anyone
    >> >> >> >> whom
    >> >> >> >> takes
    >> >> >> >> time to answer some or all of these questions.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________
    >> >> >> >> Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed
    >> >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> >> if
    >> >> >> >> you
    >> >> >> >> arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX,
    >> >> >> >> MX
    >> >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> >> VST
    >> >> >> >> plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read
    >> >> >> >> cakewalk's
    >> >> >> >> article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed
    >> >> >> >> account
    >> >> >> >> of
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Dec 10, 2005
    #18
  19. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    I shortened my questions and posted them in the previous reply. I'm not sure
    if they're still too long but it is significantly shorter than the first and
    only other post ive asked them on here.

    Thanks again for representing this group as having at least one mature
    volunteer with wit and perhaps the only without paranoid dellusions that
    result in insulting a newcomer under false assumptions. Some of your peers
    seem to think I think all of you are obligated to help or I am demanding it.

    "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

    > In the words of Colin Barnhorst:
    > What is your question in a single sentence?
    > --
    > Andre
    > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
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    > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
    > FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
    >
    > "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > I'm very confused as to how any of you mistook any of that as being rude.
    > > The
    > > closest thing to being rude would be making light of my dilema with pure
    > > cynical humor aimed at myself and some of the true morons at Alienware ive
    > > delt with.
    > >
    > > I was being very positive towards all of you and I quote myself
    > >
    > > "I really
    > > should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just frequent
    > > music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    > > Sonar
    > > forum a lot... So.. ) :"
    > >
    > > And my thanks in advance to anyone willing to help.
    > >
    > > "Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    > > answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    > > elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    > > into account my configurations and application for 64x) "
    > >
    > > I only added the end part because I often get a reply that can be somewhat
    > > cryptic to somone who doesn't know the brand of or where to look for
    > > something. Let alone somone who is told to perform <insert the nickname of
    > > a
    > > series of tasks here> to somone unfamilliar with the terminology or the
    > > forums own evolved lingo and e-shorthand.
    > >
    > >
    > > As far as asking your any help from people here at this forum, My posts
    > > were
    > > all mildly toned desperation for help because despite even asking just 1
    > > of
    > > these questions on other forums noone seemed to know the answers or wished
    > > to
    > > take the time to help me, despite how much I had helped them in the past
    > > with
    > > my knowledge of various other technologies. Mainly Networking (I'm an MCP
    > > but
    > > I don't want to bother spending money on the 2 or 3 exams I have left to
    > > be
    > > an MCSE. There are absolutely no job openings other than 2 hours from here
    > > in
    > > Washington D.C. or northern, VA. Richmond,VA is a technology industry
    > > challenged area other than infeneon being in the outlying county. I 've
    > > given
    > > my advice with Older PCs, Macs, Ethical Hacking & Security, and Hardware I
    > > am
    > > familliar with. On top of that I have written tutorials for people such as
    > > the Cakewalk.com forums on how to stabilize the 5.0.0 version of Sonar 5
    > > before 5.0.1 came out which had around 280 serious bug fixes ... and I am
    > > more than willing to offer to help with Web Design (HTML, Flash, Graphics,
    > > etc.) as wel as my rusting near obsolete knowledge of Visual C++ and
    > > Visual
    > > Basic 6.
    > >
    > > Despite that the very same people reliant on some of my help, often going
    > > out of my way as far as having configured a D.A.W. for them based on their
    > > needs and Budget. Noone was willing to help me in return for the past 2
    > > weeks, usually just stating they were too lazy to help search if they
    > > replied
    > > at all.
    > >
    > > Then I remembered this place, Where I once asked about Dual Booting back
    > > when the promotional offer to trade in 32bit for 64x was around .. This
    > > time
    > > I had several questions, I apologized for the length of the questions, Put
    > > the trivial meant to be humorus story of my dilema at the end instead of
    > > the
    > > begining as it was originally typed ... I even commented I should of came
    > > here first because you guys know your stuff.
    > >
    > > This Post:
    > > "hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > > into
    > > making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ..."
    > >
    > > hopefully was not taken as some sort of threat or blame on anyone, it was
    > > fear I would not be able to find my answers or have somone answer them for
    > > me
    > > before the end of a deal or auction that currently will allow me to afford
    > > and profit off of buying certain systems such as the Dell Precision 670
    > > Workstation because of swaping components. The Profit would go into the
    > > final
    > > money needed to pay for more RAM, a Larger Drive(s) than the one coming
    > > with
    > > the system, to add to my current. And well I think that explains my
    > > demeanor
    > > there better than it may had looked/read.
    > >
    > > The Bold text wasn't E-Shouting it was to draw your attention to the
    > > important stuff as opposed to my Medication induced Rambling (a common
    > > side
    > > effect of Adderall and Hypomania induced by Anti-Depressants before a
    > > moodstabilizer and in my case an anti-anxiety medication kick in) I was
    > > very
    > > serious about being very appreciative of any help you guys could offer me,
    > > The whole thing about loving you forever or if you wanted me too (" or if
    > > you
    > > wish") hate you in return for your help was an attempt at humor perhaps
    > > part
    > > of what was mistaken.
    > >
    > > I admit Question 2 was a bit sketchy, but im sure you guys can get the
    > > jist
    > > of it. But Almost every other question was very simple and straight
    > > forward,
    > > relating to the same things.
    > >
    > > I tried to provide you with enough information about what I intend to use
    > > 64x for reference incase you were unfamilliar with Cakewalk Sonar 5 PE ,
    > > Digital Audio Workstations (D.A.W.), and the demands of such
    > > applications/systems.
    > >
    > > If the Dealine thing was mistaken as rudeness, I'm the one with the
    > > deadlines, I simply wanted to make it clear that because of not being able
    > > to
    > > find out a lot of this information myself and the expiration of certain
    > > offers and systems that I needed help weighing the options for. I have
    > > looked
    > > at several websites (tigerdirect, Intel's, ebay, carious pc customization
    > > resource sites etc.) and have been unable to find a motherboard and I was
    > > hoping one of the experts or people who are more familliar with 64x would
    > > know of some motherboards that might work for me.
    > >
    > > As far as asking the price after the Trial , I intend to buy it directly
    > > from microsoft but I have to plan ahead money wise and I cannot find a
    > > site
    > > anywhere or a page here that lists that price. I have been seeing various
    > > prices for 64x. Official legit copies from various places differing
    > > between
    > > 100s of dollars in price and with different names like OEM, OEM3, as well
    > > as
    > > packaging .. I got a bit confused. Even places licsensed by microsoft to
    > > sell
    > > it had prices differing from $110 to $400.
    > >
    > >
    > > And it is not as if I have not been looking for answers to some of these
    > > questions or finding some of these items myself, I have not slept for 24
    > > hours doing so, and some of the things I asked were merely for your
    > > opinions
    > > or for valuable advice on any such mentioned items or info I am seeking.
    > > It
    > > is also untrue to assume I have found nothing, The problem is I have found
    > > too many variable and conflicting answers to many of the questions, and a
    > > lot
    > > of which that do not apply to 64x. I get pages predicting what DDR2 will
    > > be
    > > like when it comes out before anything about the actual RAM when searching
    > > for things, Wikipedia doesn't have any of the information I need just
    > > detailed history (rather interesting in some cases) about a lot of this
    > > stuff.
    > >
    > > But My overall goal was to help myself think by talking it out with people
    > > who know more about 64bit systems and processors than I do, to learn from
    > > you, and to obtain or verify information in order to make a sound and
    > > solid
    > > decision I won't regret because of being under time contraints.
    > >
    > >
    > > The closing of my introduction to my problem and my perhaps mistaken as
    > > rudeness, show of thanks, laced with self degratory humor, and slight
    > > desperation/anxiousness for reasons i've made quite clear by now as not to
    > > repeat myself again (as I have with some other statements, I know that can
    > > be
    > > a little annoying to read).
    > >
    > > "I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > > takes
    > > time to answer some or all of these questions. "
    > >
    > > I hope nobody took that as rude, I'd be very unsure as to if the integrity
    > > of You for instance Charlie, the man writing some reviews for this site,
    > > whom
    > > also happens to be the person who insulted me and the rudest of the
    > > repliers
    > > yet was at all somone with integrity. However hopefully this cleared any
    > > misunderstandings up and you will be willing to represent yourself in a
    > > more
    > > professional way instead of overreacting to as of then non-existent
    > > attitude
    > > and I myself will leave out my tasteless humor, attempts at turning
    > > fustration into something to laugh at on my behalf, and make myself more
    > > clear as to my "tone of text".
    > >
    > > I reluctently apologize to anyone who misunderstood that as an attitude,
    > > simply because of some of your un-called for blatantly rude replies or
    > > mocking.
    > >
    > > Hopefully we all see eye to eye now at a certain level. I would still like
    > > to know where and what indicated to any of you I was being rude. Unless I
    > > was
    > > wrong about it being in particular section but such a large order of
    > > requests
    > > for help that was rude. I would think that all but 2 of those questions
    > > would
    > > be rather quick to answer or opinionate, but then again I did apologize
    > > for
    > > the length already. Perhaps that apology wasn't accepted ?
    > >
    > > Either way you guys really are quick to flame somone for being regulars.
    > > I'll be polite as long as you guys are, it's only rational to not
    > > overreact
    > > to your previous posts and hopefully see that any after this are replies
    > > with
    > > a clear understanding or at least more than just a mere churlish insult,
    > > if
    > > your going to do so, please elaborate on what you probably misunderstood
    > > or
    > > took offensively.
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > D.C.
    > >
    > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
    > >
    > >> that would require that he actually come in with a positive attitude and
    > >> use
    > >> his head for something other than a hat rack. He's got all he'll get from
    > >> me
    > >> without a change, that's for sure.
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Charlie.
    > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    > >>
    > >> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    > >> > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    > >> > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    > >> >
    > >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    > >> >> ranting
    > >> >> before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel
    > >> >> free as
    > >> >> I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from
    > >> >> my
    > >> >> complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the
    > >> >> length
    > >> >> of
    > >> >> these first parts of this post before the questions which are
    > >> >> essentially
    > >> >> useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps
    > >> >> to
    > >> >> get
    > >> >> to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also
    > >> >> hope
    > >> >> im
    > >> >> forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other
    > >> >> grammatical
    > >> >> errors ....
    > >> >>
    > >> >> BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE
    > >> >> if
    > >> >> the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE
    > >> >> 48hr
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to
    > >> >> be
    > >> >> affordable or avalible to me.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even
    > >> >> the simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I
    > >> >> really should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I
    > >> >> just
    > >> >> frequent music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and
    > >> >> Cakewalk.com's Sonar
    > >> >> forum a lot... So.. ) :
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can
    > >> >> help
    > >> >> answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't
    > >> >> taken
    > >> >> into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > >> >> into
    > >> >> making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I
    > >> >> will
    > >> >> love
    > >> >> or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename
    > >> >> (which
    > >> >> might
    > >> >> not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    > >> >> people
    > >> >> now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    > >> >>
     
    =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWVuQw==?=, Dec 10, 2005
    #19
  20. Re: Please Help! 12pm & 48 Deadline Price for Trial and Several Qu

    I didnt notice this post before. You seem to have thought my retort about
    your acusations of my rudeness were in disregards to this I guess. I
    shortened the questions dramaticly. There was no way for me to know this
    newsgroup was unlike others and actually cared about such things as lengthy
    posts.

    "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

    > No way are volunteers in the newsgroup going to read this waste of
    > bandwidth. What is your question in a single sentence?
    >
    > --
    > Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
    > (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
    > "DavienC" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > >I apologize in advance for the length of the 2nd question and for my
    > >ranting
    > > before any the first one... actually ill move it to the end.... (feel free
    > > as
    > > I point out below to skip it, unless you just want a good laugh from my
    > > complaining/humor about my problems progression), and also for the length
    > > of
    > > these first parts of this post before the questions which are essentially
    > > useless except for the table of contents so you can use "Find" perhaps to
    > > get
    > > to a question easier and know what its about beforehand .... I also hope
    > > im
    > > forgiven for long sections with runalong scentences and other grammatical
    > > errors ....
    > >
    > > BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE THE HELP GREATLY AND WITH UNMEASURED GRATTITUDE if
    > > the questions are answered by the time I need them or eliminate THE 48hr
    > > and
    > > 12pm deadline for some of my options related to the questions below to be
    > > affordable or avalible to me.
    > >
    > > Noone at any other forum has taken time to answer not 1 question, even the
    > > simplest ones for somone who knows computers better than me, and I really
    > > should of just come here first. You guys know your stuff , I just frequent
    > > music composition related forums like KVRaudio.com and Cakewalk.com's
    > > Sonar
    > > forum a lot... So.. ) :
    > >
    > > Once again I can't express my sincere grattitude to anyone whom can help
    > > answer these questions in reasonable detail (doesn't have to be long and
    > > elaborative just make sure it's not vauge or something that doesn't taken
    > > into account my configurations and application for 64x)
    > >
    > > hopefuilly within the next 48 hours somone will help so I'm not forced
    > > into
    > > making a decision because of a deal or auction expiring etc. ... I will
    > > love
    > > or if you wish hate you for as long as I remember your screename (which
    > > might
    > > not be long unless I stay here posting with what help I may offer to
    > > people
    > > now or in the future or one of the article writers answers me lol).
    > >
    > >
    > > * = 12PM & 48 HOUR DEADLINE APPLIES
    > >
    > > ---I. Basic Information to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > > ---II. Main Things Sonar Relies On.
    > > Questions
    > > --1. What is the Price of the Trial Version's registration to full version
    > > ?
    > >
    > > *--2. I need opinions on if one of these upgrade options is reasonable. If
    > > I
    > > should at all. If one route is taken Finding a Motherboard with the right
    > > specs. Trustworthy non-ebay Places to find various components mentioned
    > > for
    > > cheap.
    > >
    > > --3. Potential Problems w/ 4Gigs+ RAM on 32bit ? , Xeons with 1MB L2
    > > 800FSB
    > > Cache CPU performance questions, and Silent and other Cooling Options for
    > > Xeons running on 32bit and 64bit O/S (since 64x will be more intense)
    > >
    > > --4. Mixing DDR2 DIMM Pairs ?
    > >
    > > --5. Questions 5 - are reatively simply put and short. That do not
    > > require
    > > a lot of elaboration on anyones part I would assume.
    > >
    > > -III. The Pointless Soapbox Ranting and complaining about the progression
    > > of
    > > my problem (and how things came to be this way i.e. 3 hours to make a
    > > decision and less than 48 for the others)
    > >
    > >
    > > I hope somone can work their magic .. Thanks in advance to anyone whom
    > > takes
    > > time to answer some or all of these questions.
    > >
    > >
    > > _________________________________________________________________
    > > Some basic info to consider about what I intend to use with 64x
    > >
    > > its more or less mentioned in the questions but less detailed and if you
    > > arent familliar with what recording applications and their DX, MX and VST
    > > plugins rely on then you might wanna skim through it or read cakewalk's
    > > article. It is rather interesting and a very good detailed account of 64x
    > > used on a system .. they claim a 3.xx ghz processors runs more like a 4.xx
    > > with such a clean exclusive system and 64bit technology ::shrugs::
    > >
    > > Just so you know my main intention is to use Cakewalk Sonar 5:
    > > http://cakewalk.com/Products/sonar/x64.asp for infomation ... Microsoft
    > > also
    > > has benchmarks and such for Sonar 5 on the 64x site i beleive, I think its
    > > linked somewhere on Cakewalk.com. It is the first and only 64bit
    > > Professional
    > > Recording Software used by homestudios (usually studio version) and
    > > mid-level
    > > to million dollar major label rented or owned studios with PCs instead of
    > > crapintosh G5s.As is the trend at the moment, hence why protools is
    > > migrating
    > > more to windows than it has since the 90s and its fairly recent first
    > > windows
    > > versions period.
    > >
    > > Audio Composition, Sampling, Playback, 16bit - 64bit audio up to 96 Khz
    > > ...
    > > in my case since I'm authoring for CD I use 32bit recording depth (64bit
    > > offers different options I havent gained a lot of knowledge on yet, large
    > > manual, bigger than a harry potter book and just as boring ( ; ), 24bit
    > > 48000 (DVD Audio or Movie Quality) for recording because of the virtual
    > > instruments, SPDIF interfaces, and such ... Then that is dithered down
    > > with
    > > top of the line technology to preserve almost 100% of that quality (as you
    > > hear blatantly on any new CD especially from the extreme digital coldness
    > > of
    > > the mixes) to 16bit 44100 khz in .wav or broadcast .wav format as standard
    > > for CD Audio.
    > >
    > > The Main things Sonar relies on:
    > >
    > > - Hard Drives ability for Fast Data Transfer from Disk to the program for
    > > Audio Playback. Defragmentation is also very important. SATA, USB 2.0,
    > > Firewire, 16mb Cache at 7200rpm, & 10,000rpm drives at 8mb or 16mb ... or
    > > SCSI at 15,000rpm despite the small sizes are all Ideal for this. However
    > > Video applications benefit from different types of RAID such as the ones
    > > that
    > > combine drives or failsafe set ups this is not the case with Sonar because
    > > many plugins even suggest a deticated drive, Sonar recommends it be
    > > installed
    > > on a disk seperate from the OS, and other such factors. So backups via
    > > mass
    > > quanities of DVD-RWs (I need to get a dual layer writer seriously or
    > > Bluray
    > > needs to come out lol), external drives, or a disk drive exclusive for
    > > backups, even an PATA drive, as long as it has enough space to hold a
    > > daily
    > > incremental or other style of backup of only your audio projects, they are
    > > not re-installable or replacable (not all ideas will stick in memory if
    > > they
    > > arent frequently heard and the perfect take may never happen again) ...
    > > its
    > > expensive for datarecovery from a bad disk .. and prevention is the best
    > > investment.
    > >
    > > - Latency of the Drivers ASIO being the best. I can get 1ms latency in
    > > certain lighter load situations. This is also dependant on the hardware
    > > and
    > > my interface, the M-Audio Delta 1010 (Rack Mount & Card not LT Card) has
    > > 64bit drivers already and is considered the flagship interface for windows
    > > recording hardware hands down.
    > >
    > > - RAM is the most important thing for Sonar for somone who uses it for the
    > > style of music I create. Its essential for plugins (enough that there are
    > > rack mounted DSP Modules, tailored RAM for DSP enabled plugins), sampling
    > > (a
    > > lot of virtual instruments and surround sound plugins rely on this
    > > greatly...
    > > they are also disk trashing and CPU intensive) ... The More Ram the Less
    > > CPU
    > > stress, trust me it can already use 100% of one CPU + 25% of the second to
    > > 100% of both when doing something such as Time Stretching or when several
    > > tracks are involved... the problem also stems from resource hogs like
    > > anti-virus, services for programs I installed that cant be killed, and
    > > selective startup only frees up 4% more RAM when I'm idle 84% is what I
    > > get
    > > with only the necessary processes before Sonar is run ... Right now even
    > > with
    > > WMP10, Norton, Avant Browser, Soundblaster and the Delta's contyrol panels
    > > in
    > > the system tray, diskeepers service, AOL's stupid unkillable processes
    > > like
    > > hostmanager, port magic, my lan/cable connection, my 56k modem for a fax
    > > and
    > > answering machine program, amongst other useless things FreeRAMPro says I
    > > have 83% RAM Free, and oddly enough Cakewalk and several programs almost
    > > never use the Pagingfile, which I have on a seperate disk in majority ...
    > > nothing changes when it is disabled either except for a crash when RAM
    > > usage
    > > spikes to 100% or FreeRAMPro's setting for auto-matic freeing is on when
    > > ram
    > > drops below 128 incessantly starts to run which uses CPU stressing them
    > > because of the infinite cycle of trying to free ram that cant be stopped
    > > because of the lock up or lag the computer crashes period unless I luck
    > > out
    > > and only sonar does or I remember to turn it off (or make sure the process
    > > ended after explorer crashed as it often does).
    > >
    > > - CPU Cakewalk would say, CPU is important for playback, the programs
    > > stability and speed itself, and the load of various functions unrelated to
    > > memory storage and recall like ram or paging files. More RAM is good for
    > > lots
    > > of plugins and Samples .. and CPU is good for handling those tracks with
    > > lots
    > > of plugins or raw audio in general, Rewiew devices, and simeltaneous audio
    > > playback on projects with large numbers of tracks. So in short the more
    > > CPU
    > > the better.
    > >
    > > NOTEL:Benchmarks (such as the one on Dell.com for example, their personal
    > > benchmark, and on several sites that consistently change their minds with
    > > each advancement) have shown on several sites that Dual XEON 3.60Ghz 2mb
    > > L2
    > > Cache 800FSB+ processors are faster than the current highest Dualcore
    > > Processors.
    > >
    > > I only have Dual 3.20ghz Xeon with 1mb L2 Caches and hope to get more out
    > > of
    > > them until I can get the $2000 or so needed to replace them with dual
    > > 3.80ghz
    > > or a better dualcore that may come along (or upgrade to AMD if AMD becomes
    > > signficantly better for Audio Apps. Which doesn't seem to be very biased
    > > with
    > > either brand from what ive read despite AMDs endorsements from never heard
    > > of
    > > b level signed artists/engineers/producers)
    > > __________________________________________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > Question #1
    > >
    > > I have seen 64x avalible for practicaly nothing more than 32bit when
    > > buying
    > > a computer with it pre-installed, $110 - $400 depending on the site, if
    > > it's
    > > OEM, OEM3, or a Boxed Version or whatever.
    > >
    > > I have my trial version, I have not had a chance to install it yet. I am
    > > in
    > > the process of deciding if buying a new PC in order work my way up to 8 -
    > > 16GB of DDR2 RAM is worth it to get the most our of Cakewalk Sonar 5
    > > Producer
    > > Edition (which runs extraordinarily well and is the first and only 64bit
    > > Professional Recording Application/Sequencer).. So I kinda need to know
    > > the
    > > price so I don't screw myself over somehow, and I can't seem to find it
    > > anywhere on the site about buying a key after the trial.
    > >
    > > _________________________________________________________________
    > > 2nd Question.
    > >
    > > I currently have an Alienware m12-7550i , one before they stopped shipping
    > > them with the Cool Looking (so some) big alien cases with lights and such.
    > > Alienware's support team tried talking me into upgrading my motherboard,
    > > processors, and Ram for their Dual Opteron System but it would cost more
    > > than
    > > selling my system for what I bought it for + what I have added to it +
    > > maybe
    > > a few $100 more in order to upgrade it. Not to mention they wont allow me
    > > to
    > > upgrade to the liquid cooling system built for my system simply because of
    > > the different case they are promoting even though the chasis is identical
    > > and
    > > the cooling system fits my system's case (there isnt really much of a
    > > difference at all). They've given me so much grief over not allowing me to
    > > upgrade things, tried to misquote me in support tickets to get my warranty
    > > voided so I couldn't get my RAM replaced, and though the system runs great
    > > aside from the noisy xeon fans I cannot stand Alienware anymore.
    > >
    > > The Current System I have has
    > > - 1 internal 400GB SATA 8mb Cache
    > > - 1 internal 400GB SATA 16mb Cache (for the audio applications)
    > > - 2 X 80 GB USB Drives for backing up project files and 1 is exclusively
    > > for
    > > 2 pluginsthat suggest having a deticated drive because of how intense they
    > > are on resources.
    > > -Dual 3.20ghz Processors with a 1mb L2 Cache 800FSB , its the EM64t
    > > (spelling?) compatible ones... or whatever for use with 64x Windows.
    > > - 2GB (2 Dimms) of Dual Channel DDR2 PC3200 SDRAM 400mhz
    > > - Alienware's (Custom iWill) X2 Motherboard 6 SATA Channels, 2 IDE
    > > Channels,
    > > SLI compatibility .. etc.. You can look it up at Alienware.com or under
    > > info
    > > in the configuration for an M12 there for more detailed specs..
    > > - 256mb Nvidia Geforce 6800
    > > - Soundblaster Audigy ZS 2
    > > - M-Audio Delta 1010 Rack Mounted Recording Interface & PCI/PCI-X Card
    > >
    > > and well the rest of the information is not really rellevant really to the
    > > question.
    > >
    > > Do you guys think it would be worth it to spend almost $2000 even on a
    > > Dell
    > > Percision 670 as a replacment and to swap parts with (if the dell
    > > motherboard
    > > and power supply fit the alienware case its going in there btw because of
    > > the
    > > cooling system and acoustic dampening/foam):
    > > - 1 2.80ghz 2mb L2 800 FSB Pentium Xeon (which I will sell and replace
    > > with
    > > the 2 Xeons from the Alienware)
     
    =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWVuQw==?=, Dec 10, 2005
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