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  1. David Parkes

    David Parkes Guest

    I have tried to search on the microsoft but it is a bit vague and when you
    google it the results just bring up loads of websites relating to it
    training. Anyway could someone tell me what MCSE electives does the
    Security+ exam cover. If I pass that would I have to take any extra
    electives in the security catergy? Thanks
    David Parkes, Feb 1, 2007
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    kpg Guest

    "David Parkes" <> wrote in
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    > I have tried to search on the microsoft but it is a bit vague and when
    > you google it the results just bring up loads of websites relating to
    > it training. Anyway could someone tell me what MCSE electives does the
    > Security+ exam cover. If I pass that would I have to take any extra
    > electives in the security catergy? Thanks


    Don't apologize - it's a sign of weakness.
    kpg, Feb 1, 2007
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    "kpg" <> wrote in message
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    > "David Parkes" <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    >> I have tried to search on the microsoft but it is a bit vague and when
    >> you google it the results just bring up loads of websites relating to
    >> it training. Anyway could someone tell me what MCSE electives does the
    >> Security+ exam cover. If I pass that would I have to take any extra
    >> electives in the security catergy? Thanks

    >
    > Don't apologize - it's a sign of weakness.


    Do. Or do not. There is no "try."
    FrisbeeĀ®, Feb 1, 2007
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  4. David Parkes

    .rev [MCT] Guest

    If you take Security + I counts for a couple things.

    Yes its an elective and yes its a security elective. And Yes you still take
    298 as your MCSE design exam. Now to answer the question with all the
    formalities out of the way. :) If you want to have a Security Designation
    for the MCSA, and you have taken or are planning to take CompTIA Security+
    you will still need to take exam 299 or 350 or 227. So yes you must still
    take one more exam after the Sec+ test.The good knows is lets say you want
    to take 70-299 as your elective then by taking Sec+ you'll end up with that
    cert as well as the MCSA:Security :)

    Now as for the MCSE assuming you took 298 as your design exam the same two
    exams you choose for your MCSA:Security will carry over to the MCSE:
    Security. so in other words you only have to take 2 Security based exam
    electives, which isn't bad when you consider that is only one more than
    required for the MCSA or the MCSE. In other words to add the Security to
    your MCSE if you take the exams the right way you have it in 8 exams. Which
    if starting from scratch isn't bad. Lets say for example you have no
    certification at all and you want to prove your skills while getting the
    best bang for your buck. Then I might recommend the following 8 exams, for a
    total of 7 (yeah I know 7) certifications. :)

    70-620 - Client
    70-290 - MCSA Core
    70-291 - MCSA Core
    70-293 - MCSE Core
    70-294 - MCSE Core
    70-298 - MCSE/MCSE Security Design Core
    70-299 - MCSE/MCSE Security Elective
    SY0-101 - CompTIA Security+/MCSE/MCSE Security Elective

    You'd end up with the following certifications (assuming you have none now)

    Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP Windows Server 2003)
    Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA Windows 2003 Server)
    Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Security (MCSAS Windows 2003
    Server)
    Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE Windows 2003 Server)
    Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSES Windows 2003 Server)
    Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS Windows Vista Configuration)
    CompTIA Security+ Certified Professional

    Then from here its up to you.Many of these exams also qualify you for other
    Certifications. for example with this combination you are only 2 exams away
    form an MCDBA on SQL 2000 or one exam away form either MCITP:Enterprise
    Support or Consumer support when exams become available, or for that matter
    2 exams and have both as well. I know it can get confusing, I deal with
    these questions all the time, the best thing it remember is to look at one
    thing at a time.:) Good luck!
    --
    ..rev
    ..
    "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without
    accepting it"
    ~Aristotle
    ..
    "David Parkes" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I have tried to search on the microsoft but it is a bit vague and when you
    >google it the results just bring up loads of websites relating to it
    >training. Anyway could someone tell me what MCSE electives does the
    >Security+ exam cover. If I pass that would I have to take any extra
    >electives in the security catergy? Thanks
    >
    .rev [MCT], Feb 1, 2007
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  5. David Parkes

    David Parkes Guest

    Thanks for your response. I am just trying to work out the best track to go
    down.

    Thanks very much again :)

    ".rev [MCT]" <> wrote in message
    news:%...
    > If you take Security + I counts for a couple things.
    >
    > Yes its an elective and yes its a security elective. And Yes you still
    > take 298 as your MCSE design exam. Now to answer the question with all the
    > formalities out of the way. :) If you want to have a Security Designation
    > for the MCSA, and you have taken or are planning to take CompTIA Security+
    > you will still need to take exam 299 or 350 or 227. So yes you must still
    > take one more exam after the Sec+ test.The good knows is lets say you want
    > to take 70-299 as your elective then by taking Sec+ you'll end up with
    > that cert as well as the MCSA:Security :)
    >
    > Now as for the MCSE assuming you took 298 as your design exam the same two
    > exams you choose for your MCSA:Security will carry over to the MCSE:
    > Security. so in other words you only have to take 2 Security based exam
    > electives, which isn't bad when you consider that is only one more than
    > required for the MCSA or the MCSE. In other words to add the Security to
    > your MCSE if you take the exams the right way you have it in 8 exams.
    > Which if starting from scratch isn't bad. Lets say for example you have no
    > certification at all and you want to prove your skills while getting the
    > best bang for your buck. Then I might recommend the following 8 exams, for
    > a total of 7 (yeah I know 7) certifications. :)
    >
    > 70-620 - Client
    > 70-290 - MCSA Core
    > 70-291 - MCSA Core
    > 70-293 - MCSE Core
    > 70-294 - MCSE Core
    > 70-298 - MCSE/MCSE Security Design Core
    > 70-299 - MCSE/MCSE Security Elective
    > SY0-101 - CompTIA Security+/MCSE/MCSE Security Elective
    >
    > You'd end up with the following certifications (assuming you have none
    > now)
    >
    > Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP Windows Server 2003)
    > Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA Windows 2003 Server)
    > Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Security (MCSAS Windows 2003
    > Server)
    > Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE Windows 2003 Server)
    > Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSES Windows 2003 Server)
    > Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS Windows Vista
    > Configuration)
    > CompTIA Security+ Certified Professional
    >
    > Then from here its up to you.Many of these exams also qualify you for
    > other Certifications. for example with this combination you are only 2
    > exams away form an MCDBA on SQL 2000 or one exam away form either
    > MCITP:Enterprise Support or Consumer support when exams become available,
    > or for that matter 2 exams and have both as well. I know it can get
    > confusing, I deal with these questions all the time, the best thing it
    > remember is to look at one thing at a time.:) Good luck!
    > --
    > .rev
    > .
    > "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought
    > without accepting it"
    > ~Aristotle
    > .
    > "David Parkes" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >>I have tried to search on the microsoft but it is a bit vague and when you
    >>google it the results just bring up loads of websites relating to it
    >>training. Anyway could someone tell me what MCSE electives does the
    >>Security+ exam cover. If I pass that would I have to take any extra
    >>electives in the security catergy? Thanks
    >>

    >
    David Parkes, Feb 1, 2007
    #5
  6. ..rev [MCT] wrote:
    > If you take Security + I counts for a couple things.
    >
    > Yes its an elective and yes its a security elective. And Yes you still
    > take 298 as your MCSE design exam. Now to answer the question with all
    > the formalities out of the way. :) If you want to have a Security
    > Designation for the MCSA, and you have taken or are planning to take
    > CompTIA Security+ you will still need to take exam 299 or 350 or 227. So
    > yes you must still take one more exam after the Sec+ test.The good knows
    > is lets say you want to take 70-299 as your elective then by taking Sec+
    > you'll end up with that cert as well as the MCSA:Security :)
    >
    > Now as for the MCSE assuming you took 298 as your design exam the same
    > two exams you choose for your MCSA:Security will carry over to the MCSE:
    > Security. so in other words you only have to take 2 Security based exam
    > electives, which isn't bad when you consider that is only one more than
    > required for the MCSA or the MCSE. In other words to add the Security to
    > your MCSE if you take the exams the right way you have it in 8 exams.
    > Which if starting from scratch isn't bad. Lets say for example you have
    > no certification at all and you want to prove your skills while getting
    > the best bang for your buck. Then I might recommend the following 8
    > exams, for a total of 7 (yeah I know 7) certifications. :)
    >
    > 70-620 - Client
    > 70-290 - MCSA Core
    > 70-291 - MCSA Core
    > 70-293 - MCSE Core
    > 70-294 - MCSE Core
    > 70-298 - MCSE/MCSE Security Design Core
    > 70-299 - MCSE/MCSE Security Elective
    > SY0-101 - CompTIA Security+/MCSE/MCSE Security Elective
    >
    > You'd end up with the following certifications (assuming you have none now)
    >
    > Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP Windows Server 2003)
    > Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA Windows 2003 Server)
    > Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Security (MCSAS Windows 2003
    > Server)
    > Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE Windows 2003 Server)
    > Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSES Windows 2003 Server)
    > Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS Windows Vista
    > Configuration)
    > CompTIA Security+ Certified Professional
    >
    > Then from here its up to you.Many of these exams also qualify you for
    > other Certifications. for example with this combination you are only 2
    > exams away form an MCDBA on SQL 2000 or one exam away form either
    > MCITP:Enterprise Support or Consumer support when exams become
    > available, or for that matter 2 exams and have both as well. I know it
    > can get confusing, I deal with these questions all the time, the best
    > thing it remember is to look at one thing at a time.:) Good luck!


    Fantastic response. This is the exact track I am taking, and would have
    recommended, but wouldn't have been able to do it so clearly. In fact
    Security+ is the cert I'm currently working on.
    Red Swingline Stapler, Feb 1, 2007
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  7. David Parkes

    .rev [MCT] Guest

    Good Luck...

    --
    ..rev
    ..
    "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without
    accepting it"
    ~Aristotle
    ..
    "Red Swingline Stapler" <> wrote in message
    news:emhF$...
    > .rev [MCT] wrote:
    >> If you take Security + I counts for a couple things.
    >>
    >> Yes its an elective and yes its a security elective. And Yes you still
    >> take 298 as your MCSE design exam. Now to answer the question with all
    >> the formalities out of the way. :) If you want to have a Security
    >> Designation for the MCSA, and you have taken or are planning to take
    >> CompTIA Security+ you will still need to take exam 299 or 350 or 227. So
    >> yes you must still take one more exam after the Sec+ test.The good knows
    >> is lets say you want to take 70-299 as your elective then by taking Sec+
    >> you'll end up with that cert as well as the MCSA:Security :)
    >>
    >> Now as for the MCSE assuming you took 298 as your design exam the same
    >> two exams you choose for your MCSA:Security will carry over to the MCSE:
    >> Security. so in other words you only have to take 2 Security based exam
    >> electives, which isn't bad when you consider that is only one more than
    >> required for the MCSA or the MCSE. In other words to add the Security to
    >> your MCSE if you take the exams the right way you have it in 8 exams.
    >> Which if starting from scratch isn't bad. Lets say for example you have
    >> no certification at all and you want to prove your skills while getting
    >> the best bang for your buck. Then I might recommend the following 8
    >> exams, for a total of 7 (yeah I know 7) certifications. :)
    >>
    >> 70-620 - Client
    >> 70-290 - MCSA Core
    >> 70-291 - MCSA Core
    >> 70-293 - MCSE Core
    >> 70-294 - MCSE Core
    >> 70-298 - MCSE/MCSE Security Design Core
    >> 70-299 - MCSE/MCSE Security Elective
    >> SY0-101 - CompTIA Security+/MCSE/MCSE Security Elective
    >>
    >> You'd end up with the following certifications (assuming you have none
    >> now)
    >>
    >> Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP Windows Server 2003)
    >> Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (MCSA Windows 2003 Server)
    >> Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator: Security (MCSAS Windows 2003
    >> Server)
    >> Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE Windows 2003 Server)
    >> Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSES Windows 2003
    >> Server)
    >> Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS Windows Vista
    >> Configuration)
    >> CompTIA Security+ Certified Professional
    >>
    >> Then from here its up to you.Many of these exams also qualify you for
    >> other Certifications. for example with this combination you are only 2
    >> exams away form an MCDBA on SQL 2000 or one exam away form either
    >> MCITP:Enterprise Support or Consumer support when exams become available,
    >> or for that matter 2 exams and have both as well. I know it can get
    >> confusing, I deal with these questions all the time, the best thing it
    >> remember is to look at one thing at a time.:) Good luck!

    >
    > Fantastic response. This is the exact track I am taking, and would have
    > recommended, but wouldn't have been able to do it so clearly. In fact
    > Security+ is the cert I'm currently working on.
    .rev [MCT], Feb 1, 2007
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  8. David Parkes

    JaR Guest

    ..rev [MCT] wrote:
    > If you take Security + I counts for a couple things.
    >
    > Yes its an elective and yes its a security elective. And Yes you still
    > take 298 as your MCSE design exam. Now to answer the question with all
    > the formalities out of the way. :) If you want to have a Security
    > Designation for the MCSA, and you have taken or are planning to take
    > CompTIA Security+ you will still need to take exam 299 or 350 or 227. So
    > yes you must still take one more exam after the Sec+ test.The good knows
    > is lets say you want to take 70-299 as your elective then by taking Sec+
    > you'll end up with that cert as well as the MCSA:Security :)
    >


    FWEEEEETTT!!!

    Five yards and loss of down. Excessive use of smilies!

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    JaR, Feb 1, 2007
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  9. David Parkes

    .rev [MCT] Guest

    I'd like to take a coach's prerogative...Can we get a look at the on-camera
    replay.

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    ..rev
    ..
    "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without
    accepting it"
    ~Aristotle
    ..
    "JaR" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > .rev [MCT] wrote:
    >> If you take Security + I counts for a couple things.
    >>
    >> Yes its an elective and yes its a security elective. And Yes you still
    >> take 298 as your MCSE design exam. Now to answer the question with all
    >> the formalities out of the way. :) If you want to have a Security
    >> Designation for the MCSA, and you have taken or are planning to take
    >> CompTIA Security+ you will still need to take exam 299 or 350 or 227. So
    >> yes you must still take one more exam after the Sec+ test.The good knows
    >> is lets say you want to take 70-299 as your elective then by taking Sec+
    >> you'll end up with that cert as well as the MCSA:Security :)
    >>

    >
    > FWEEEEETTT!!!
    >
    > Five yards and loss of down. Excessive use of smilies!
    >
    > --
    > JaR
    > Suffering fools gladly since 1978
    > Remove hat to reply
    .rev [MCT], Feb 1, 2007
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  10. David Parkes

    JaR Guest

    ..rev [MCT] wrote:
    > I'd like to take a coach's prerogative...Can we get a look at the
    > on-camera replay.
    >


    No :)

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    JaR, Feb 1, 2007
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  11. David Parkes

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    JaR <> prattled ceaselessly in news:ecmKlVjRHHA.412
    @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

    > .rev [MCT] wrote:
    >> I'd like to take a coach's prerogative...Can we get a look at the
    >> on-camera replay.
    >>

    >
    > No :)
    >


    :p

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