Pay Range for entry level A+ Cert. Job ??

Discussion in 'A+ Certification' started by A+ Certified Professional, Aug 2, 2004.

  1. Hello Group,

    I have a question for everyone here. Without going into too much detail, I
    am a recent high school graduate and hold the CompTIA A+ Certification. I
    just recently entered the job market and am curious as to what pay range I
    should be looking for based on my certification and skill level.

    There are not many jobs for me to pick from, but most of the ones I am
    looking at are entry level PC Technician type jobs. Job responsibilities are
    fairly basic and include computer repair, maintenance, basic networking,
    network software deployment, software installation, new PC setup, etc. I
    would prefer a job that is a bit more advanced, but most companies what
    someone with more "formal experience".



    I have been working on computers my whole life; everything from a commodore
    64 or a DOS based 8088, all the way up to recent technology. I also hold
    several certifications from Microsoft based around the Windows 2000
    platform. I have gained a vast amount of hands on experience over the years,
    and feel that I am just as qualified as many technicians who have been
    working in the field for several years.


    I'm just trying to figure out what I should expect to be paid as a starting
    hourly wage? I am on the east coast of the US in a fairly large city if that
    helps at all!

    Thanks for any help you can provide!! Please post to the news group.
     
    A+ Certified Professional, Aug 2, 2004
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    Jose Guest

    In South Fl you could expect anywhere between $10 to $13 an hour.

    Jose
    MCSA, Network+, A+


    "A+ Certified Professional" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello Group,
    >
    > I have a question for everyone here. Without going into too much detail, I
    > am a recent high school graduate and hold the CompTIA A+ Certification. I
    > just recently entered the job market and am curious as to what pay range I
    > should be looking for based on my certification and skill level.
    >
    > There are not many jobs for me to pick from, but most of the ones I am
    > looking at are entry level PC Technician type jobs. Job responsibilities

    are
    > fairly basic and include computer repair, maintenance, basic networking,
    > network software deployment, software installation, new PC setup, etc. I
    > would prefer a job that is a bit more advanced, but most companies what
    > someone with more "formal experience".
    >
    >
    >
    > I have been working on computers my whole life; everything from a

    commodore
    > 64 or a DOS based 8088, all the way up to recent technology. I also hold
    > several certifications from Microsoft based around the Windows 2000
    > platform. I have gained a vast amount of hands on experience over the

    years,
    > and feel that I am just as qualified as many technicians who have been
    > working in the field for several years.
    >
    >
    > I'm just trying to figure out what I should expect to be paid as a

    starting
    > hourly wage? I am on the east coast of the US in a fairly large city if

    that
    > helps at all!
    >
    > Thanks for any help you can provide!! Please post to the news group.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
     
    Jose, Aug 2, 2004
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  3. Hi Michael and Jose,

    Thanks for the responses. I can tell things in the IT industry have really
    changed since the late 1990's. I remember when companies were paying $40k a
    year for entry level A+ jobs. Most companies have been offering between
    $9-11 dollars an hour for pc tech jobs these days. That is not far above the
    poverty line. $8 an hour sounds awful for a professional type job. I could
    almost make that by working at McDonalds.

    Would it help to gain additional certifications? I already have some with
    Microsoft. Would my job opportunities greatly increase if I have a full
    MCSA, A+, and Net+?

    Thanks!

    "Michael" <> wrote in message
    news:dduPc.6932$...
    > Jose wrote:
    >
    > > In South Fl you could expect anywhere between $10 to $13 an hour.
    > >
    > > Jose
    > > MCSA, Network+, A+

    >
    > I had a few friends working at national computer retailer doing repair
    > work. They started the newbies at $8 an hour, but if you had a
    > technical background (e.g. decent schooling), you'd get $10 an hour.
    > They paid for my friend's certs including A+ and MCSE, which is probably
    > rare these days. The top pay in that shop was about $17 an hour, and he
    > had one or two years experience in IT. I personally think 35 grand (+
    > mcse training) for plugging in parts is more than fair.
    >
    > michael
     
    A+ Certified Professional, Aug 3, 2004
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    Yeti Guest

    I hired in to my company at $11.00 and hour. I was required to get my A+
    within 60 days (I got it on day 33) and then I get a dollar an hour raise
    after 60 days. I have an Associates degree from a community college in
    Computer Networking.

    I am happy, its a little lower than I was hoping for, but its OK, and a lot
    more than I was making in college.
     
    Yeti, Aug 8, 2004
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  5. "A+ Certified Professional" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello Group,
    >
    > I have a question for everyone here. Without going into too much

    detail, I
    > am a recent high school graduate and hold the CompTIA A+

    Certification. I
    > just recently entered the job market and am curious as to what pay

    range I
    > should be looking for based on my certification and skill level.


    you got out of high school and entered the job market? i'll tell you
    right now, don't expect very much.

    > There are not many jobs for me to pick from, but most of the ones I

    am
    > looking at are entry level PC Technician type jobs. Job

    responsibilities are
    > fairly basic and include computer repair, maintenance, basic

    networking,
    > network software deployment, software installation, new PC setup,

    etc. I
    > would prefer a job that is a bit more advanced, but most companies

    what
    > someone with more "formal experience".


    someone with "formal experience" doesnt waste his time tinkering with
    wintendo crap.

    > I have been working on computers my whole life; everything from a

    commodore
    > 64 or a DOS based 8088, all the way up to recent technology. I also

    hold
    > several certifications from Microsoft based around the Windows 2000
    > platform. I have gained a vast amount of hands on experience over

    the years,
    > and feel that I am just as qualified as many technicians who have

    been
    > working in the field for several years.


    no unix, no mac, no cray, no sgi, no bsd, no linux, no amiga, no
    as/400? no wonder. so what computers have you actually worked with?
    (wintendo doesn't count)

    considering that you have absolutely no experience with computers
    (aside from obsolete commodore equipment from the 70s), i would have
    to say that even at $5.15/hr, you would be a liability to any
    competent and financially serious company.

    if computers are your interest, and you desire to be respected by
    people who actually know something about computer science, then i
    cannot stress the importance of a college degree, otherwise you're
    going to do no more than servicing junk that computer illiterate
    morons buy from walmart for $8-10 an hour like most ayplussers. get
    out of the job market and get into the education market.

    btw, your "microsoft certifications" are completely worthless.
    companies arent that stupid anymore. burn them.

    > I'm just trying to figure out what I should expect to be paid as a

    starting
    > hourly wage? I am on the east coast of the US in a fairly large city

    if that
    > helps at all!
    >
    > Thanks for any help you can provide!! Please post to the news group.


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    Solomon Kozanski, Aug 30, 2004
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    idolic21 Guest

    To comment more on this subject, its possible to qualify yourself in
    the job market after High School. I'm doing it. I make 42,000/year at
    19 years of age working at a Learning Organization as a
    Admin/IT/Operations Assistant. I work 50 - 55 hours a week, but the
    money and experience I'm gaining is awesome. I'm working in Hardware,
    Network, Security, and much more fields and am able to take CompTIA
    classes and plenty of other of IT courses paid. The thing is that if
    you want to go far. You got to really think on the subject and really
    figure out the path you want to do. The way you associate yourself is
    very important. One example was before I worked at this learning
    organization I took classes here prior to me working here. The CEO of
    the company worked on Saturdays and helped the Saturday Admin out. I
    thought lets be cool and friends with him. He was a nice guy and me
    and him had a lot in common. Months later because he knows that I"m
    working hard he offers me the position. He knew I was working at a
    Full-Time job already at a Warehouse place, but he was surprised that
    an 18-year old would come to his school and learn these classes.
    Reason is that mostly 25 or older adults come to this school to learn
    this stuff. My family is poor and would not be able to afford college
    so that would be the reason I can't attend. $42,000 a year is not
    where I"m stopping. I plan to break the stepping stone of college and
    make the big bucks just by my determined attitude not because I'm a
    genious that has a 15 year degree.
    -Rick
     
    idolic21, Nov 28, 2005
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    SuperTech Guest

    lid (idolic21) wrote in news:8cJif.85968$7k1.57900
    @fe12.news.easynews.com:

    > To comment more on this subject, its possible to qualify yourself in
    > the job market after High School. I'm doing it. I make 42,000/year at
    > 19 years of age working at a Learning Organization as a
    > Admin/IT/Operations Assistant. I work 50 - 55 hours a week, but the
    > money and experience I'm gaining is awesome.


    You aren't making 42,000/year. 42,000 dollars / 2080 hours in a year =
    $20.19 per hour, assuming a 40 hour work week. You are working a 55
    hour week. 20.19 dollar x 15 hours = $302.85. 302.85 dollars x 52
    weeks = 15,748.02. 42,000-15,748.02 = $24,251.8/year. Unless of
    course you are hourly, then you make $42,000/year.

    SuperTech
     
    SuperTech, Nov 29, 2005
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    J. Clarke Guest

    SuperTech wrote:

    > lid (idolic21) wrote in news:8cJif.85968$7k1.57900
    > @fe12.news.easynews.com:
    >
    >> To comment more on this subject, its possible to qualify yourself in
    >> the job market after High School. I'm doing it. I make 42,000/year at
    >> 19 years of age working at a Learning Organization as a
    >> Admin/IT/Operations Assistant. I work 50 - 55 hours a week, but the
    >> money and experience I'm gaining is awesome.

    >
    > You aren't making 42,000/year. 42,000 dollars / 2080 hours in a year =
    > $20.19 per hour, assuming a 40 hour work week. You are working a 55
    > hour week. 20.19 dollar x 15 hours = $302.85. 302.85 dollars x 52
    > weeks = 15,748.02. 42,000-15,748.02 = $24,251.8/year. Unless of
    > course you are hourly, then you make $42,000/year.


    Huh? If at the end of 365 days he has been paid $42,000 then he has been
    paid $42,000 a year. Doesn't matter if he gets paid $151,200,000 per hour
    for one second or $4.79/hr for 24/7, or $3500/mo for 12 months or just gets
    a $42,000 check once a year, it's still $42,000.

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    J. Clarke, Nov 29, 2005
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    Tony Guest


    >You aren't making 42,000/year. 42,000 dollars / 2080 hours in a year =
    >$20.19 per hour, assuming a 40 hour work week. You are working a 55
    >hour week. 20.19 dollar x 15 hours = $302.85. 302.85 dollars x 52
    >weeks = 15,748.02. 42,000-15,748.02 = $24,251.8/year. Unless of
    >course you are hourly, then you make $42,000/year.
    >
    >SuperTech


    Actually, he is making $42,000/yr. Of course, he works more hours to do it. Think of a lawyer that
    makes $200,000/ yr. I know many lawyers that work way into the night and weekends. I am sure they
    put in 80 hour weeks. So, that doesnt mean that they make $100,000 /yr. It only means they make a
    less hourly rate.

    Tony
     
    Tony, Nov 29, 2005
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    smackedass Guest


    > I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that after that pointless post.


    Not were you not the only one thinking that, but idolic21 is in a really
    great place, a place that many of us wouldn't mind being, and at age 19!
    Best wishes to this person, he/she sounds like they're off to a great start
    on a prosperous career and an honorable life.

    smackedass
     
    smackedass, Nov 29, 2005
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    John O Guest

    >
    > Not were you not the only one thinking that, but idolic21 is in a really
    > great place, a place that many of us wouldn't mind being, and at age 19!
    > Best wishes to this person, he/she sounds like they're off to a great
    > start on a prosperous career and an honorable life.
    >


    I get to see a lot of these guys (almost all guys), as part of this:
    www.heathkit.com/susa-vica

    Most of the winners are going to major universities on scholarship, but
    quite a few of the others have gone on to great careers.

    -John O

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    --we need judges for the 2006 contest...give me a holler if you're
    interested.
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    John O, Nov 29, 2005
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    idolic21 Guest

    If you want to here some excellent motivation you'll know that Stev
    Jobs, Chairman of Apple, and Bill Gates, Chairman of Microsoft, bot
    attended very little college and I think Bill Gates no college. I
    the end they are the richest guys in the world practically and the
    both look like elves. Anyways I work lots of hours at $16/hour so m
    $42,000 a year is just a round up number and its before tax. TO mak
    it simple my checks clear at least $1100 and sometimes $1200 a month
    Depends on the hours I worked during the week. If I'm lucky I'll eve
    get around $1300 if I can work an occasional Saturday. Thank
    Smackedass for your compliment. Anyone can accomplish anything i
    that is the only thing they focus on. People I've learned ge
    distracted and **** around too much with useless shit in the world.
    have a lot of family that have wasted there lives and I've seen th
    result of them up to today. Dead? Homeless? Drug Attic? I'm not goin
    to be like that and I want to be able to help the immediate famil
    that is still sane. Thats my motivation and it won't change. Th
    meaning of my post before was just to show that anyone can make th
    impossible possible.>>
     
    idolic21, Nov 29, 2005
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    smackedass Guest

    Dead? Homeless? Drug Attic?

    The Drug Attic? Have visited, left early.

    heh heh...

    smackedass
     
    smackedass, Nov 29, 2005
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    SuperTech Guest

    "J. Clarke" <> wrote in
    news::

    > Huh? If at the end of 365 days he has been paid $42,000 then he
    > has been paid $42,000 a year. Doesn't matter if he gets paid
    > $151,200,000 per hour for one second or $4.79/hr for 24/7, or
    > $3500/mo for 12 months or just gets a $42,000 check once a year,
    > it's still $42,000.


    Paperwise, yes. However, a normal work week is defined as 40 hours. So
    you can put like this: $42,000 paperwise and $24,000 actual in adjusted
    man hours. Of course the employer never presents it that way.

    The reason that this is relevant is that the poster boasts he is 19
    years old and making $42,000/year. No sane minded adult would work 55
    hours a week for a technical job and claim they make 42,000/year. I'm
    just saying put things in the prospective they need to be.

    No knock on the kid either: I hope he's the next Bill Gates or creates
    the next Fortune 500 company.

    SuperTech
     
    SuperTech, Nov 30, 2005
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    smackedass Guest

    >No sane minded adult would work 55
    > hours a week for a technical job and claim they make 42,000/year. I'm
    > just saying put things in the prospective they need to be.


    I guess I'm just not sane...if I only had the opportunity to do the above,
    and I did, I guess that would prove me to be insane? Just have a look at
    some of the other posts, previous to this one, and lots of IT people have no
    work, at all. It depends on the employment supply/demand schema, in the
    area in which you live...in addition to your ambition, tenacity, and
    God-given talent.

    Anyway, $42,000 is $42,000, it sure sounds like he earns it, and learns from
    it. In 1981, when I was 19, I would have been pretty plum happy to make
    $42,000, and yes, I know, $42,000 today isn't what it was then.

    Sorry, I can't get over how some of the people here scrutinize $42,000,
    instead of just being grateful that we live in a society where people are
    pretty much free to change their occupations, their jobs, or work 2, 3 or 4
    jobs, if they have to.

    In fact, look at one of the posts below, subject " disheartened", and check
    out that dialogue. To repeat just one opinion from that discussion:
    _____________________________________________
    The problem is that those in the IT field are the modern day
    equivalents of the "tube changers" of the 50's and 60's who called
    themselves TV repairmen. Truth be told, a monkey can be taught how to
    fix or build a computer.... or at least, a functionally retarded
    person. Very little brain power is required.

    The field is oversaturated. The work is boring beyond words. There are
    some companies who pay as much as the local fast food joints. The
    entire certification institution is a scam.

    Focus on another career; a career where you can make good money... and
    a good living... one that will allow you to use your brain.

    Good luck
    _________________________________________________________

    I disagree with almost every word that this person says, but when people
    talk about "perspective", remember that there are many.

    smackedass
    (43 yrs., MCSE, A+)
     
    smackedass, Nov 30, 2005
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    J. Clarke Guest

    SuperTech wrote:

    > "J. Clarke" <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    >> Huh? If at the end of 365 days he has been paid $42,000 then he
    >> has been paid $42,000 a year. Doesn't matter if he gets paid
    >> $151,200,000 per hour for one second or $4.79/hr for 24/7, or
    >> $3500/mo for 12 months or just gets a $42,000 check once a year,
    >> it's still $42,000.

    >
    > Paperwise, yes. However, a normal work week is defined as 40 hours. So
    > you can put like this: $42,000 paperwise and $24,000 actual in adjusted
    > man hours. Of course the employer never presents it that way.
    >
    > The reason that this is relevant is that the poster boasts he is 19
    > years old and making $42,000/year. No sane minded adult would work 55
    > hours a week for a technical job and claim they make 42,000/year. I'm
    > just saying put things in the prospective they need to be.
    >
    > No knock on the kid either: I hope he's the next Bill Gates or creates
    > the next Fortune 500 company.


    Just to be sure I understand your viewpoint--if the guy was working 40 hours
    a week at one job for $35K/year and 15 hours a week moonlighting for
    $7K/year, how much would he be making?
    >
    > SuperTech


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    J. Clarke, Nov 30, 2005
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    idolic21 Guest

    > SuperTechwrote
    "J. Clarke" <> wrote i
    > news::
    >
    > Huh? If at the end of 365 days he has been paid $42,000 then h
    > has been paid $42,000 a year. Doesn't matter if he gets pai
    > $151,200,000 per hour for one second or $4.79/hr for 24/7, o
    > $3500/mo for 12 months or just gets a $42,000 check once a year
    > it's still $42,000
    >

    Paperwise, yes. However, a normal work week is defined as 40 hours
    So
    you can put like this: $42,000 paperwise and $24,000 actual i
    adjusted
    man hours. Of course the employer never presents it that way

    The reason that this is relevant is that the poster boasts he is 19
    years old and making $42,000/year. No sane minded adult would work 5

    hours a week for a technical job and claim they make 42,000/year. I'

    just saying put things in the prospective they need to be.

    SuperTech[/quote:a70c38305e
    No I do not want to be the next Bill Gates and have 99% of th
    population want to kill me. To comment on this quote yes it is prett
    unbelievable for a 19-year-old to work this many hours. For proof tha
    I'm 19 you can click this link http://www.myspace.com/37959504 or ad
    it to your url bar and check out myspace.com account. One thing abou
    my 55 hour week that I'm not proud of is that one reason is that I wa
    a loser in High school and got not much friends. What else to do the
    work my ass off
     
    idolic21, Nov 30, 2005
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    jc Guest

    To even try and use Gates and Jobs as examples is pathetic. Gates came from
    a wealthy family, very wealthy. Yes he went to college, harvard to be
    exact, but dropped out to work at MITS. Jobs went to college as well, but
    jobs also has something that can't be taught - charisma. The difference
    between a formal education and the street version is pretty big. It takes a
    lot more work to get places without a formal education. It's great was you
    are doing, but one day when you hit a point where your career seems stalled
    and other are passing you by, you will know why - education. IT has become
    a blue collar profession. In just a few short months or about a year, you
    can teach anyone how to manage and install a network. Where the education
    will get you is beyond the hands on work. This is where you will be asked
    an opinion, based on speculation not technical fact. Education will get you
    out of the trench and into the place where you manage the grunts, secure
    funding, develop long term technology plans. Working in the server room
    has no future! There are always qualified people looking for admin jobs,
    one day your employer will look to cut costs, and you will be a cost.
    Younger cheaper labor.

    I know this job is great to you, now. Give it time. It is just a job. In
    the future when you have more work experience, you will get to live through
    some cost cutting measures and unemployment - then you will see all that ass
    busting and no education is not worth much in a competitive job market.

    Also if you tell me you are working in NYC for 42,000/yr then you are living
    in poverty. If you are doing the same in Fargo, then you are living like a
    king.

    Good luck Bro.



    "idolic21" <> wrote in message
    news:Vh2jf.83422$...
    > If you want to here some excellent motivation you'll know that Steve
    > Jobs, Chairman of Apple, and Bill Gates, Chairman of Microsoft, both
    > attended very little college and I think Bill Gates no college. In
    > the end they are the richest guys in the world practically and they
    > both look like elves. Anyways I work lots of hours at $16/hour so my
    > $42,000 a year is just a round up number and its before tax. TO make
    > it simple my checks clear at least $1100 and sometimes $1200 a month.
    > Depends on the hours I worked during the week. If I'm lucky I'll even
    > get around $1300 if I can work an occasional Saturday. Thanks
    > Smackedass for your compliment. Anyone can accomplish anything if
    > that is the only thing they focus on. People I've learned get
    > distracted and **** around too much with useless shit in the world. I
    > have a lot of family that have wasted there lives and I've seen the
    > result of them up to today. Dead? Homeless? Drug Attic? I'm not going
    > to be like that and I want to be able to help the immediate family
    > that is still sane. Thats my motivation and it won't change. The
    > meaning of my post before was just to show that anyone can make the
    > impossible possible.>>>
    >
     
    jc, Dec 1, 2005
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    MF Guest

    I can't see why a couple of you guys are pissing on this kid's parade. If
    he _is_ only 19, he's doing great. With that kind of energy and commitment,
    why wouldn't he discover what sort of education he needed -- and get it?
    For example, right now, just because he posted here, he is going to learn
    how to spell "addict". It's addict. :)

    best of luck to him.

    Mike

    "jc" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > To even try and use Gates and Jobs as examples is pathetic. Gates came
    > from a wealthy family, very wealthy. Yes he went to college, harvard to
    > be exact, but dropped out to work at MITS. Jobs went to college as well,
    > but jobs also has something that can't be taught - charisma. The
    > difference between a formal education and the street version is pretty
    > big. It takes a lot more work to get places without a formal education.
    > It's great was you are doing, but one day when you hit a point where your
    > career seems stalled and other are passing you by, you will know why -
    > education. IT has become a blue collar profession. In just a few short
    > months or about a year, you can teach anyone how to manage and install a
    > network. Where the education will get you is beyond the hands on work.
    > This is where you will be asked an opinion, based on speculation not
    > technical fact. Education will get you out of the trench and into the
    > place where you manage the grunts, secure funding, develop long term
    > technology plans. Working in the server room has no future! There are
    > always qualified people looking for admin jobs, one day your employer will
    > look to cut costs, and you will be a cost. Younger cheaper labor.
    >
    > I know this job is great to you, now. Give it time. It is just a job.
    > In the future when you have more work experience, you will get to live
    > through some cost cutting measures and unemployment - then you will see
    > all that ass busting and no education is not worth much in a competitive
    > job market.
    >
    > Also if you tell me you are working in NYC for 42,000/yr then you are
    > living in poverty. If you are doing the same in Fargo, then you are
    > living like a king.
    >
    > Good luck Bro.
    >
    >
    >
    > "idolic21" <> wrote in message
    > news:Vh2jf.83422$...
    >> If you want to here some excellent motivation you'll know that Steve
    >> Jobs, Chairman of Apple, and Bill Gates, Chairman of Microsoft, both
    >> attended very little college and I think Bill Gates no college. In
    >> the end they are the richest guys in the world practically and they
    >> both look like elves. Anyways I work lots of hours at $16/hour so my
    >> $42,000 a year is just a round up number and its before tax. TO make
    >> it simple my checks clear at least $1100 and sometimes $1200 a month.
    >> Depends on the hours I worked during the week. If I'm lucky I'll even
    >> get around $1300 if I can work an occasional Saturday. Thanks
    >> Smackedass for your compliment. Anyone can accomplish anything if
    >> that is the only thing they focus on. People I've learned get
    >> distracted and **** around too much with useless shit in the world. I
    >> have a lot of family that have wasted there lives and I've seen the
    >> result of them up to today. Dead? Homeless? Drug Attic? I'm not going
    >> to be like that and I want to be able to help the immediate family
    >> that is still sane. Thats my motivation and it won't change. The
    >> meaning of my post before was just to show that anyone can make the
    >> impossible possible.>>>
    >>

    >
    >
     
    MF, Dec 1, 2005
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    idolic21 Guest

    > jcwrote
    To even try and use Gates and Jobs as examples is pathetic. Gate
    came from
    > a wealthy family, very wealthy. Yes he went to college, harvard t

    be
    > exact, but dropped out to work at MITS. Jobs went to college a

    well, but
    > jobs also has something that can't be taught - charisma. Th

    difference
    > between a formal education and the street version is pretty big. I

    takes a
    > lot more work to get places without a formal education. It's grea

    was you
    > are doing, but one day when you hit a point where your career seem

    stalled
    > and other are passing you by, you will know why - education. IT ha

    become
    > a blue collar profession. In just a few short months or about

    year, you
    > can teach anyone how to manage and install a network. Where th

    education
    > will get you is beyond the hands on work. This is where you will b

    asked
    > an opinion, based on speculation not technical fact. Education wil

    get you
    > out of the trench and into the place where you manage the grunts

    secure
    > funding, develop long term technology plans. Working in the serve

    room
    > has no future! There are always qualified people looking for admi

    jobs,
    > one day your employer will look to cut costs, and you will be

    cost.
    > Younger cheaper labor
    >
    > I know this job is great to you, now. Give it time. It is just

    job. In
    > the future when you have more work experience, you will get to liv

    through
    > some cost cutting measures and unemployment - then you will see al

    that ass
    > busting and no education is not worth much in a competitive jo

    market
    >
    > Also if you tell me you are working in NYC for 42,000/yr then yo

    are living
    > in poverty. If you are doing the same in Fargo, then you are livin

    like a
    > king
    >
    > Good luck Bro
    >
    >
    > Hehe Its people like this guy above me that I want to show up. Th

    thing is Criticism pisses a lot of people off and makes a person d
    stupid things. Me on the other hand have grown up with a lo
    self-esteem my whole life with people talking me down to not bein
    able to do anything. Criticism will only make me work harder an
    harder. I'm 19 so my energy is unlimited right now. The one thin
    about college is that ITS FUCKING EXPENSIVE. Also without me makin
    money right now my Mom would not be able to hold up the bills. Als
    if your going to talk about money. People in New York spend so muc
    fucking money its hilarious. I spend very little and am lucky if
    let myself spend $100 every 2 weeks. Its called money management.
    > -Ric
     
    idolic21, Dec 1, 2005
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