Path towards work and or MCP/MCSE

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by RAK, Jul 30, 2008.

  1. RAK

    RAK Guest

    Hello, I'm attempting to figure out which certification within MS would be
    the best for one getting work, two becoming a MCSE and or three staying
    viable for the future. Basically, I have 15 years experience from the bad old
    days of 3.1 up to server 2k. I have been a sys admin for a DNS server, an app
    server, an SQL server and a file server as well as a security person for an
    iSeries server. I have also been a man of many hats, desktop support,
    hardware software you name it I have done a lot of different things (web
    master etc.) The main draw back to my experience is that it was all done in a
    non-domain environment everything had to be done manually over and over as
    far as permissions etc. So, I have no experience with AD, or GPO's etc. I
    have read about all this stuff using Minasi's book "Windows 2k server" second
    edition, but have no actual hands on experience with domain based systems. I
    also have a lot of experience with writing scripts batch files you name from
    the "CMD" so my main question is what is most in demand for employment (got
    laid off after 12 years, because the co. is having a financially bad time)
    two would it be better to go with a desktop cert like XP or Vista, or is it
    better to work toward an older cert like 2003 MCSE. Basically, I’m not
    working with any of this stuff right now so I would be doing all the
    cerftication stuff on my own using books and a little lab I would setup at
    home.

    Thanks for your time and help ahead of time.

    --
    Ralph A. Kolarik
    A+ Certified
    Certified Lotus Specialist
     
    RAK, Jul 30, 2008
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  2. RAK

    RAK Guest

    Thanks, some good points. Reminds me of creating records/CD's, I was a
    musician for many years professionally, basically the idea was to document
    what you had done out on the road playing together. Now days that is not the
    case, they make the record first if they make money and people like it they
    go on the road. Bass akwards I know but that seems to be the case with these
    certs. too you could look great on paper and still not have a clue or you
    could be like me and look bad on paper or at least not have many certs and
    have tons of experience, but no one would care. Pretty weird, but so far
    since I have been laid off that has been my experience, sadly. Still your
    points are good points to ponder. Thanks

    Since, I’m not working right now I have been doing these certs. I figure
    there is not much else to do and it keeps me active and engaged, not like
    anyone is beating my door down right now to hire me, so I might as well be
    productive and learn stuff in the process and hopefully make myself more
    marketable. So, I guess I will pick one of the MCSE 2003 core curriculum
    tests and go with it.

    Personally, I have found almost everyone asks for some sort of cert now. I
    guess there are a lot of young guys out there coming right out of school or
    wherever they are coming from doing all this stuff, so to compete I feel like
    I have to do something. I know in reality basically what happens when you
    have a job is you come across something you don't understand and you look it
    up and figure it out. At least that is what I have always done. It got me
    through in the past but currently it seems like everyone wants some sort of
    cert. just to get an interview so that is what I’m going to do. I find all
    this stuff interesting, but I’m not particularly wealthy and I’m attempting
    to focus so with that I guess you have helped me answer my own questions.
    LOL…for that I thank you.

    Good luck with all you do

    BTW, looked at your site and the motivational one you suggested nice ideas.
    Thanks again.


    --
    Ralph A. Kolarik
    A+ Certified
    Certified Lotus Specialist



    "Lawrence Garvin" wrote:

    > "RAK" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Hello, I'm attempting to figure out which certification within MS would be
    > > the best for one getting work,

    >
    > None.
    >
    > > two becoming a MCSE

    >
    > The MCSE certification.
    >
    > > and or three staying viable for the future.

    >
    > Something newer than the MCSE certification.
    >
    > > so my main question is what is most in demand for employment (got
    > > laid off after 12 years, because the co. is having a financially bad time)

    >
    > Trying to cram the necessary skills into an available job is asking for
    > disappointment.
    >
    > You'd be much better served by properly inventorying your current skillset,
    > and looking for opportunities for which you're appropriately qualified.
    >
    > > two would it be better to go with a desktop cert like XP or Vista, or is
    > > it
    > > better to work toward an older cert like 2003 MCSE.

    >
    > The certs aren't going to do you a whit of use if you don't have the
    > experience.
    >
    > If you have the experience, you don't need the certs.
    >
    > Certs are about documenting your experience, not getting a job.
    >
    >
    > Based on what you've written, and your several years of experience with
    > older technologies in a non-domain environment, perhaps one possibility is
    > looking for a supervisory position in a help desk environment where you
    > don't need hard-core, hands on expertise, but rather your general
    > experiences would be of great value supervising young 'uns who don't have
    > that breadth of experiences.
    >
    > Remember....90% of troubleshooting is not about knowing facts.. it's about
    > being able to reason, and draw on previous experiences with similar
    > situations.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
    > Senior Data Architect, APQC, Houston, Texas
    > Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2008)
    >
    > MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
    > My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
    > http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
    > My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
    >
     
    RAK, Jul 31, 2008
    #2
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  3. RAK

    RAK Guest

    Thanks, some good points. Reminds me of creating records, I was a musician
    for many years professionally, basically the idea was to document what you
    had done out on the road playing together. Now days that is not the case,
    they make the record first if they make money and people like it they go on
    the road. Bass akwards I know but that seems to be the case with these certs.
    Too you could look great on paper and still not have a clue or you could be
    like me and look bad on paper or at least not have many certs and have tons
    of experience, but no one would care. Pretty weird, but so far since I have
    been laid off that has been my experience, sadly. Still your points are good
    points to ponder. Thanks

    Since, I’m not working right now I have been doing these certs. I figure
    there is not much else to do and it keeps me active and engaged, not like
    anyone is beating my door down right now to hire me, so I might as well be
    productive and learn stuff in the process and hopefully make myself more
    marketable. So, I guess I will pick one of the MCSE 2003 core curriculum
    tests and go with it.

    Personally, I have found almost everyone asks for some sort of cert now. I
    guess there are a lot of young guys out there coming right out of school or
    wherever they are coming from doing all this stuff, so to compete I feel like
    I have to do something. I know in reality basically what happens when you
    have a job is you come across something you don't understand and you look it
    up and figure it out. At least that is what I have always done. It got me
    through in the past but currently it seems like everyone wants some sort of
    cert. just to get an interview so that is what I’m going to do. I find all
    this stuff interesting, but I’m not particularly wealthy and I’m attempting
    to focus so with that I guess you have helped me answer my own questions.
    LOL…for that I thank you.

    Good luck with all you do



    --
    Ralph A. Kolarik
    A+ Certified
    Certified Lotus Specialist



    "Lawrence Garvin" wrote:

    > "RAK" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Hello, I'm attempting to figure out which certification within MS would be
    > > the best for one getting work,

    >
    > None.
    >
    > > two becoming a MCSE

    >
    > The MCSE certification.
    >
    > > and or three staying viable for the future.

    >
    > Something newer than the MCSE certification.
    >
    > > so my main question is what is most in demand for employment (got
    > > laid off after 12 years, because the co. is having a financially bad time)

    >
    > Trying to cram the necessary skills into an available job is asking for
    > disappointment.
    >
    > You'd be much better served by properly inventorying your current skillset,
    > and looking for opportunities for which you're appropriately qualified.
    >
    > > two would it be better to go with a desktop cert like XP or Vista, or is
    > > it
    > > better to work toward an older cert like 2003 MCSE.

    >
    > The certs aren't going to do you a whit of use if you don't have the
    > experience.
    >
    > If you have the experience, you don't need the certs.
    >
    > Certs are about documenting your experience, not getting a job.
    >
    >
    > Based on what you've written, and your several years of experience with
    > older technologies in a non-domain environment, perhaps one possibility is
    > looking for a supervisory position in a help desk environment where you
    > don't need hard-core, hands on expertise, but rather your general
    > experiences would be of great value supervising young 'uns who don't have
    > that breadth of experiences.
    >
    > Remember....90% of troubleshooting is not about knowing facts.. it's about
    > being able to reason, and draw on previous experiences with similar
    > situations.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
    > Senior Data Architect, APQC, Houston, Texas
    > Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2008)
    >
    > MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
    > My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
    > http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
    > My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
    >
     
    RAK, Jul 31, 2008
    #3
  4. RAK

    Kline Sphere Guest

    >Hello, I'm attempting to figure out which certification within MS would be
    >the best for one getting work


    the one that answered the phone.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    Kline Sphere, Jul 31, 2008
    #4
  5. RAK

    OTHMAN Guest

    > the one that answered the phone.

    she is off sick
     
    OTHMAN, Aug 5, 2008
    #5
  6. RAK

    Dude Guest

    Part of the MCSE certification is taking one Client exam. I recomend taking
    the 70-620 Vista exam, if you haven't already taken the XP exam. XP is going
    away, and everybody hates Vista. There will be lots of Vista support calls,
    so it's good job security. Also, passing the Vista exam will give you the
    new Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist certification.

    The MCSA certification would be good too. You could take 70-290 Server 2003
    and 70-291 Network Infrastructure, 70-620 Vista and 1 elective for the MCSA
    cert. The 70-290 exam shoule be pretty easy if you already have Windows 2000
    server experience. If you already took the 70-270 XP exam, it could be the
    elective. The MCSA cert is a good start towards the MCSE cert.

    Also, if you pass the 70-620 Vista exam, you could take 70-623 Supporting
    and Troubleshooting Vista for an MCITP Consumer Support Technician
    Certification. The exam objectives for 70-623 don't mention Active
    Directory. You could also take 70-622 Supporting and Trouble Shooting Vista
    applications for the MCITP Enterprise Support Technician, but you'll need
    some experience with Active Directory for that one. These 2 MCITP
    certifications are similar to the MCDST certifications.

    Here is a good website for more info:

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcitp/default.mspx

    I think the MCSE cert is good to have and it should help you get a job right
    now. But it's days are numbered. You may want to consider the MCITP Server
    Administrator or Enterprise Administrator certs for the future.

    "RAK" wrote:

    > Hello, I'm attempting to figure out which certification within MS would be
    > the best for one getting work, two becoming a MCSE and or three staying
    > viable for the future. Basically, I have 15 years experience from the bad old
    > days of 3.1 up to server 2k. I have been a sys admin for a DNS server, an app
    > server, an SQL server and a file server as well as a security person for an
    > iSeries server. I have also been a man of many hats, desktop support,
    > hardware software you name it I have done a lot of different things (web
    > master etc.) The main draw back to my experience is that it was all done in a
    > non-domain environment everything had to be done manually over and over as
    > far as permissions etc. So, I have no experience with AD, or GPO's etc. I
    > have read about all this stuff using Minasi's book "Windows 2k server" second
    > edition, but have no actual hands on experience with domain based systems. I
    > also have a lot of experience with writing scripts batch files you name from
    > the "CMD" so my main question is what is most in demand for employment (got
    > laid off after 12 years, because the co. is having a financially bad time)
    > two would it be better to go with a desktop cert like XP or Vista, or is it
    > better to work toward an older cert like 2003 MCSE. Basically, I’m not
    > working with any of this stuff right now so I would be doing all the
    > cerftication stuff on my own using books and a little lab I would setup at
    > home.
    >
    > Thanks for your time and help ahead of time.
    >
    > --
    > Ralph A. Kolarik
    > A+ Certified
    > Certified Lotus Specialist
    >
    >
    >
     
    Dude, Aug 6, 2008
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