Paradise/ ClearNet spam proofing?

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Steve B, Nov 8, 2003.

  1. Steve B

    Steve B Guest

    When TelstraClear introduced its spam-filter, in September, based on
    the Brightmail service, it worked quite well for me. But in the past
    few weeks, my spam load has been steadily mounting again. Messages
    like:

    Lose 25 pounds w/a patch

    This is the qmail program
    I'm sorry to have to inform you that I wasn't able to deliver your
    message to one or more destinations.
    Undelivered mail to "?

    Lusty dad doing his daughter

    Take a valium 30lg

    Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired? (a real classic spam line,
    that one; we'll give you a job where money comes rolling in without
    your doing anything)
    You can Earn Your Degree Online
    Paying too much for allergy relief?
    Guaranteed* Gold Card
    Need Money? - Get $500 in Your Bank Account Today
    (header) Naked mom s*cks son's c*ck;
    (body) Russian incest f*cking (those are MY asterisks, NOT theirs; the
    words in the message are in their 'basic' form.

    Are Brightmail's operatives (yes, they're apparently real human beings
    who scan your email - which in itself makes me a little uncomfortable)
    falling down on the job?

    I'm fed up with complaining to them; their response is to nitpick
    about my sending the complaint to the wrong address, and when I got to
    talk to one of their senior people (thanks only to my journalistic
    'clout', I suspect) all I got was: "We're trying as hard as we can,
    and you should look at the stuff we block". And true, they block about
    three times what they let slip through; but the headings don't seem to
    be any less obvious on the ones sent through (above) than on the ones
    they block.

    How have others found the Paradise/ ClearNet service? Initially good,
    but now either getting sloppy or being overwhelmed?

    Or am I specially "favoured" in this regard?

    Steve B.
     
    Steve B, Nov 8, 2003
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  2. On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 05:34:38 +1300, Steve B
    <> wrote:

    <Snip>

    >How have others found the Paradise/ ClearNet service? Initially good,
    >but now either getting sloppy or being overwhelmed?
    >
    >Or am I specially "favoured" in this regard?
    >
    >Steve B.


    I think that's a fair asssessment. It is good, but it could be better.
    I deleted all the mail in my spam folder about a week ago; this week
    there are over 250 in there again.

    There have always been a few messages getting through and the number
    seems to be increasing. Currently I'm getting a lot on the subject of
    online pharmacies. They don't seem to get stopped. They are written
    with a lot of the letters in subject line having dots like this: รค

    I would expect this to be an easy filter to create.

    I have a policy of never paying for something I can do myself for
    free. If the spam filtering became a pay service, I wouldn't use it.
    It's pretty good for free, though.

    Bye,
    James
     
    James McLaughlin, Nov 8, 2003
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  3. Steve B

    Sarns Guest

    "Steve B" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > When TelstraClear introduced its spam-filter, in September, based on
    > the Brightmail service, it worked quite well for me. But in the past
    > few weeks, my spam load has been steadily mounting again. Messages
    > like:


    My spam has increased since their filters were bought in...work that out LOL
    i can't. and thing is...it's obvious spam to

    Sarns
     
    Sarns, Nov 8, 2003
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  4. On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 05:34:38 +1300, Steve B wrote:

    > When TelstraClear introduced its spam-filter, in September, based on
    > the Brightmail service, it worked quite well for me. But in the past
    > few weeks, my spam load has been steadily mounting again. Messages
    > like:


    Spammer continually morph. 95% becomes 80%, becomes 70% within weeks
    unless the filters are constantly tweaked to match.

    Things aren't helped by the army of zombies spammers are now using.
    Millions of "0wned" winboxes on DSL/Cable connections around the world...
     
    Uncle StoatWarbler, Nov 8, 2003
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  5. Steve B

    pete Guest

    "Uncle StoatWarbler" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 05:34:38 +1300, Steve B wrote:
    >
    > > When TelstraClear introduced its spam-filter, in September, based on
    > > the Brightmail service, it worked quite well for me. But in the past
    > > few weeks, my spam load has been steadily mounting again. Messages
    > > like:

    >
    > Spammer continually morph. 95% becomes 80%, becomes 70% within weeks
    > unless the filters are constantly tweaked to match.
    >
    > Things aren't helped by the army of zombies spammers are now using.
    > Millions of "0wned" winboxes on DSL/Cable connections around the world...


    Works well for me. A few get through each day and SpamPal usually gets these
    but there's hundreds (797) in the webmail spam box, and I cleared that out
    about two weeks ago.
    Which was painful - is there any way to delete everything in the spambox in
    one hit?
     
    pete, Nov 9, 2003
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  6. Steve B

    T.N.O. Guest

    pete wrote:
    > Which was painful - is there any way to delete everything in the spambox in
    > one hit?


    It will clear itself after 30 days... but umm, you may have to change
    some sort of view settings, as in, change "view 20 messages per page" to
    something like "view 100 messages per page"
     
    T.N.O., Nov 9, 2003
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  7. Steve B

    Chris Mayhew Guest

    "T.N.O." <> wrote in
    news::

    > pete wrote:
    >> Which was painful - is there any way to delete everything in the
    >> spambox in one hit?

    >
    > It will clear itself after 30 days... but umm, you may have to change
    > some sort of view settings, as in, change "view 20 messages per page"
    > to something like "view 100 messages per page"


    I don't think you can do that. Mine had 1200 odd the last time i looked so
    i wonder how much that choak's up my total mail box size. I tried deleting
    them - 20 at a time but after 40 I gave up. I would hate to think that my
    mail might start bouncing cause my mail box is to full.
     
    Chris Mayhew, Nov 9, 2003
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  8. Suddenly, Steve B sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
    > Are Brightmail's operatives (yes, they're apparently real human beings
    > who scan your email - which in itself makes me a little uncomfortable)

    No. They have real human beings who monitor the incoming spam (probably
    spamtraps, ie email addresses set to catch spam) and therefore customise
    filters to match.

    They don't read your email. That would be physically impossible.

    > I'm fed up with complaining to them; their response is to nitpick
    > about my sending the complaint to the wrong address, and when I got to
    > talk to one of their senior people (thanks only to my journalistic
    > 'clout', I suspect) all I got was: "We're trying as hard as we can,
    > and you should look at the stuff we block". And true, they block about
    > three times what they let slip through; but the headings don't seem to
    > be any less obvious on the ones sent through (above) than on the ones
    > they block.


    I don't know about Brightmail, but Spamcop's filtered email service
    (http://mail.spamcop.net/individuals.php) catches around 95% of my spam.
    It had quite a few false positives, but they were just marketing
    newsletter type stuff. I whitelist them and never have a problem. You
    can control the type of filtering from lots of options and decided what
    happens to a match (dump, hold, forward with a tag).



    --
    aaronl at consultant dot com
    For every expert, there is an equal and
    opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke
     
    Aaron Lawrence, Nov 9, 2003
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  9. Steve B

    T.N.O. Guest

    Aaron Lawrence wrote:
    >>Are Brightmail's operatives (yes, they're apparently real human beings
    >>who scan your email - which in itself makes me a little uncomfortable)


    > No. They have real human beings who monitor the incoming spam (probably
    > spamtraps, ie email addresses set to catch spam) and therefore customise
    > filters to match.
    > They don't read your email. That would be physically impossible.


    well, unless they hire a couple of million people :)
     
    T.N.O., Nov 9, 2003
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  10. Steve B

    Roger Ramjet Guest

    Steve B <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > When TelstraClear introduced its spam-filter, in September, based on
    > the Brightmail service, it worked quite well for me. But in the past
    > few weeks, my spam load has been steadily mounting again. Messages
    > like:


    I have never had any spam messages with Clear because I don't give my
    email address to pornographers.

    Check your spam folder on Clear or Paradise webmail and you will see
    how much spam the filter catches.

    These systems never catch 100% of spam as there is a risk they will
    remove legitimate emails.

    If you don't like the service you can opt out in webmail.
     
    Roger Ramjet, Nov 9, 2003
    #10
  11. On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:28:33 -0800, Roger Ramjet wrote:

    > I have never had any spam messages with Clear because I don't give my
    > email address to pornographers.


    Pornographers are the least of your worries.

    If you have your own domain, you can give out a different address to each
    outfit yuo deal with. The stats on who leaks your data is surprising, to
    say the least.

    $hint: NEVER give it to large chains or banks.
     
    Uncle StoatWarbler, Nov 9, 2003
    #11
  12. Suddenly, Uncle StoatWarbler sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
    > If you have your own domain, you can give out a different address to each
    > outfit yuo deal with. The stats on who leaks your data is surprising, to
    > say the least.


    Or pay a few $$ to sneakemail.net. I do that. Works fine.

    --
    aaronl at consultant dot com
    For every expert, there is an equal and
    opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke
     
    Aaron Lawrence, Nov 10, 2003
    #12
  13. Steve B

    PAM. Guest

    "Steve B" <> wrote in message
    > When TelstraClear introduced its spam-filter, in September, based on
    > the Brightmail service, it worked quite well for me. But in the past
    > few weeks, my spam load has been steadily mounting again.
    > How have others found the Paradise/ ClearNet service? Initially good,
    > but now either getting sloppy or being overwhelmed?
    >


    My junkmail is going up gradually. I'm getting about 3-4 now a day from
    10-20 that I used to get before the spam filter. It seems to work fine for
    the most part. Anything else is captured into my junk filter and sent to a
    junkmail folder, unless the address is specifically in my address book. Once
    in a while I'll go to the junkmail folder and do a quick scan for anyone I
    know, add them to the address book if need be and then mass permanently
    (SHIFT-DEL) delete all the spam.

    (s)PAM.
     
    PAM., Nov 10, 2003
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  14. Steve B

    Bret Guest

    On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:18:38 +1300, Steve B
    <> wrote:

    >On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:46:16 +1300, "PAM." <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>"Steve B" <> wrote in message
    >>> When TelstraClear introduced its spam-filter, in September, based on
    >>> the Brightmail service, it worked quite well for me. But in the past
    >>> few weeks, my spam load has been steadily mounting again.
    >>> How have others found the Paradise/ ClearNet service? Initially good,
    >>> but now either getting sloppy or being overwhelmed?
    >>>

    >>
    >>My junkmail is going up gradually. I'm getting about 3-4 now a day from
    >>10-20 that I used to get before the spam filter. It seems to work fine for
    >>the most part. Anything else is captured into my junk filter and sent to a
    >>junkmail folder, unless the address is specifically in my address book. Once
    >>in a while I'll go to the junkmail folder and do a quick scan for anyone I
    >>know, add them to the address book if need be and then mass permanently
    >>(SHIFT-DEL) delete all the spam.
    >>
    >>(s)PAM.
    >>

    >Is this the TelstraClear service you're talking about?
    >
    >(SHIFT-DEL) either pressing the DEL key or clicking on the "bin" icon,
    >doesn't work for me. I just get "please select an item you want to
    >delete".
    >
    >I can "select all" and delete, but that only gets rid of 10 at a time,
    >and I have a backlog of 235 pages (ie approximately 2350 spam
    >messages).
    >
    >T-C assures me it deletes old spam "every three weeks", but if the
    >spam overflows the box before then, I get "quota exceeded" messages,
    >and after a while, I assume, will not get my genuine mail. I just have
    >to go in and sit there deleting messages at a maximum practical "scan
    >quickly-select all-click-bin" rate of 18 pages in five minutes, which
    >means clearing the backlog will take more than an hour. And that's on
    >128K.
    >
    >I think they need to clear it more frequently, and have asked them.
    >
    >Can anyone tell me (more about) how to delete all the messages in the
    >spam folder at one swell foop, if indeed you can? Please.
    >
    >Steve B.


    Swell foop?
     
    Bret, Nov 21, 2003
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  15. Steve B

    Steve B Guest

    On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:46:16 +1300, "PAM." <>
    wrote:

    >"Steve B" <> wrote in message
    >> When TelstraClear introduced its spam-filter, in September, based on
    >> the Brightmail service, it worked quite well for me. But in the past
    >> few weeks, my spam load has been steadily mounting again.
    >> How have others found the Paradise/ ClearNet service? Initially good,
    >> but now either getting sloppy or being overwhelmed?
    >>

    >
    >My junkmail is going up gradually. I'm getting about 3-4 now a day from
    >10-20 that I used to get before the spam filter. It seems to work fine for
    >the most part. Anything else is captured into my junk filter and sent to a
    >junkmail folder, unless the address is specifically in my address book. Once
    >in a while I'll go to the junkmail folder and do a quick scan for anyone I
    >know, add them to the address book if need be and then mass permanently
    >(SHIFT-DEL) delete all the spam.
    >
    >(s)PAM.
    >

    Is this the TelstraClear service you're talking about?

    (SHIFT-DEL) either pressing the DEL key or clicking on the "bin" icon,
    doesn't work for me. I just get "please select an item you want to
    delete".

    I can "select all" and delete, but that only gets rid of 10 at a time,
    and I have a backlog of 235 pages (ie approximately 2350 spam
    messages).

    T-C assures me it deletes old spam "every three weeks", but if the
    spam overflows the box before then, I get "quota exceeded" messages,
    and after a while, I assume, will not get my genuine mail. I just have
    to go in and sit there deleting messages at a maximum practical "scan
    quickly-select all-click-bin" rate of 18 pages in five minutes, which
    means clearing the backlog will take more than an hour. And that's on
    128K.

    I think they need to clear it more frequently, and have asked them.

    Can anyone tell me (more about) how to delete all the messages in the
    spam folder at one swell foop, if indeed you can? Please.

    Steve B.
     
    Steve B, Nov 21, 2003
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