[OT] The Value of IT Certifications

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    Like to know which direction the value of your certifications is
    going?

    Read our latest article: http://www.certguard.com/The-Value-of-IT-Certifications.asp

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    >Read our latest article: http://www.certguard.com/The-Value-of-IT-Certifications.asp

    <quote>
    Yes, this means that American Citizens will not even be allowed to
    take exams while visiting those countries. It's a small price to pay,
    but at least you now know that your Certifications are not being
    devalued by gunmen and the cheaters that buy into their services.
    </quote>

    does this only apply to the sh*t hole countries like pakistan, india,
    china, etc, etc? Although I won't ever be taking another ms exam, what
    about those of us who work and live in a different (supposedly)
    civilized country like England?

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Mar 26, 2007
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  3. Cerebrus

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    Kline Sphere <.@> wrote in
    news::

    >>Read our latest article:
    >>http://www.certguard.com/The-Value-of-IT-Certifications.asp

    >
    > <quote>
    > Yes, this means that American Citizens will not even be allowed to
    > take exams while visiting those countries. It's a small price to pay,
    > but at least you now know that your Certifications are not being
    > devalued by gunmen and the cheaters that buy into their services.
    > </quote>
    >
    > does this only apply to the sh*t hole countries like pakistan, india,
    > china, etc, etc? Although I won't ever be taking another ms exam, what
    > about those of us who work and live in a different (supposedly)
    > civilized country like England?
    >
    > Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    >


    Doesn't apply. The restrictions are currently imposed on China, India, and
    Pakistan.
    Lasher, Mar 26, 2007
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  4. Cerebrus

    Cerebrus Guest

    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    On Mar 26, 1:21 pm, Kline Sphere <.@> wrote:

    > does this only apply to the sh*t hole countries like pakistan, india,
    > china, etc, etc? Although I won't ever be taking another ms exam, what
    > about those of us who work and live in a different (supposedly)
    > civilized country like England?
    >
    > Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3


    It means only that people from a civilized country like England[sic]
    cannot take
    exams while travelling in sh*t hole countries like Pakistan, India and
    China[sic].

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    JaR Guest

    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    Cerebrus wrote:
    > It means only that people from a civilized country like England[sic]
    > cannot take
    > exams while travelling in sh*t hole countries like Pakistan, India and
    > China[sic].
    >


    ROFL! You tell 'im Cerby.

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    JaR, Mar 26, 2007
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  6. Cerebrus

    Kline Sphere Guest

    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    >> It means only that people from a civilized country like England[sic]
    >> cannot take
    >> exams while travelling in sh*t hole countries like Pakistan, India and
    >> China[sic].
    >>

    >
    >ROFL! You tell 'im Cerby.


    i'm confused, isn't that what i said?

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Mar 26, 2007
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  7. Cerebrus

    kpg Guest

    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    Kline Sphere <.@> wrote in news::

    >>> It means only that people from a civilized country like England[sic]
    >>> cannot take
    >>> exams while travelling in sh*t hole countries like Pakistan, India and
    >>> China[sic].
    >>>

    >>
    >>ROFL! You tell 'im Cerby.

    >
    > i'm confused, isn't that what i said?


    Sure, but it's the way you said it.
    kpg, Mar 26, 2007
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  8. Cerebrus wrote:
    > Read our latest article:
    > http://www.certguard.com/The-Value-of-IT-Certifications.asp


    You mean I could make money taking tests for people? I think I would charge
    in Chiken Tikka Masala & Pot Stickers, and if things didn't taste good
    enough, I'm just going to guess "C" on everything. Who knew?

    Seriously though, obviouly this is a big enough problem that MS has changed
    their testing policies around it.

    I don't understand though, why some countries are any different than others.
    Surely, us Americans & Brits look just as different from each other as do
    any random Indian, Chinese or Pakastani folk. Is it just a question of a
    better system of National ID cards (which you Brits now have in a such a way
    to make Kim Jong-il jelous) and we have with our drivers licenses. I would
    imagine I could get a fake ID easily enough ($100?) and take any number of
    tests for someone.

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    Chris Mullins [MVP], Mar 26, 2007
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  9. Cerebrus

    Kline Sphere Guest

    >I don't understand though, why some countries are any different than others.

    those countries are far more corrupt than western countries, it's that
    simple. no doubt cheating goes on in western countries, but i cannot
    imagine it being anywhere near as bad.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Mar 26, 2007
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  10. Cerebrus

    Cerebrus Guest

    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    On Mar 26, 10:38 pm, Kline Sphere <.@> wrote:

    > those countries are far more corrupt than western countries, it's that
    > simple. no doubt cheating goes on in western countries, but i cannot
    > imagine it being anywhere near as bad.
    >
    > Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3


    Most countries have rampant corruption problems. They're much more
    pervasive in the third world because it's so darned lucrative. As CG
    explained in the article, the conversion rate of the dollar (or pound
    sterling) to the local currency is so high that it is very profitable
    to solicit cheaters in western countries. In addition, the lack of
    jobs and the laxity of laws makes this an attractive option for Gunmen.
    Cerebrus, Mar 27, 2007
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  11. Cerebrus

    Kline Sphere Guest

    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    >Most countries have rampant corruption problems. They're much more
    >pervasive in the third world because it's so darned lucrative.


    i agree, which is why it amazes me why the west (by that i mean
    'civilized' countries) deal with such regime's. Poverty and injustice
    in the third world will never be solve until the corruption problems
    are brought under control. That's why i find stupid to give out hand
    outs to such countries (regimes) when such handouts go mainly to the
    corrupt people in power and not to people such hand out were intended
    to be for.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Mar 27, 2007
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  12. Cerebrus

    Guest Guest

    "Lasher" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns98FF28A4A24E0Lasher36526@207.46.248.16...
    > Kline Sphere <.@> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    >>>Read our latest article:
    >>>http://www.certguard.com/The-Value-of-IT-Certifications.asp

    >>
    >> <quote>
    >> Yes, this means that American Citizens will not even be allowed to
    >> take exams while visiting those countries. It's a small price to pay,
    >> but at least you now know that your Certifications are not being
    >> devalued by gunmen and the cheaters that buy into their services.
    >> </quote>
    >>
    >> does this only apply to the sh*t hole countries like pakistan, india,
    >> china, etc, etc? Although I won't ever be taking another ms exam, what
    >> about those of us who work and live in a different (supposedly)
    >> civilized country like England?
    >>
    >> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    >>

    >
    > Doesn't apply. The restrictions are currently imposed on China, India, and
    > Pakistan.
    >

    PK hasn't even been confirmed. But IN & CN are definites.


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    Guest, Mar 28, 2007
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  13. Cerebrus

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    "Chris Mullins [MVP]" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Cerebrus wrote:
    >> Read our latest article:
    >> http://www.certguard.com/The-Value-of-IT-Certifications.asp

    >
    > You mean I could make money taking tests for people? I think I would charge in
    > Chiken Tikka Masala & Pot Stickers, and if things didn't taste good enough,
    > I'm just going to guess "C" on everything. Who knew?
    >
    > Seriously though, obviouly this is a big enough problem that MS has changed
    > their testing policies around it.
    >
    > I don't understand though, why some countries are any different than others.
    > Surely, us Americans & Brits look just as different from each other as do any
    > random Indian, Chinese or Pakastani folk. Is it just a question of a better
    > system of National ID cards (which you Brits now have in a such a way to make
    > Kim Jong-il jelous) and we have with our drivers licenses. I would imagine I
    > could get a fake ID easily enough ($100?) and take any number of tests for
    > someone.
    >
    > --
    > Chris Mullins, MCSD.NET, MCPD:Enterprise, Microsoft C# MVP
    > http://www.coversant.com/blogs/cmullins
    >

    It's a matter of cost vs. risk. If you were to take exams for people here in the
    US, you would have to charge upwards of $10,000 per exam in order for the cost
    benefits to outweigh the risk of getting caught and being jailed. Up until now,
    they could get the same ratio that I just mentioned (roughly) and still be able
    to keep the costs low enough for people such as you and I to pay for their
    services.


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  14. Cerebrus

    Guest

    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    On Mar 26, 9:21 am, Kline Sphere <.@> wrote:
    > >Read our latest article:http://www.certguard.com/The-Value-of-IT-Certifications.asp

    >
    > <quote>
    > Yes, this means that American Citizens will not even be allowed to
    > take exams while visiting those countries. It's a small price to pay,
    > but at least you now know that your Certifications are not being
    > devalued by gunmen and the cheaters that buy into their services.
    > </quote>
    >
    > does this only apply to the sh*t hole countries like pakistan, india,
    > china, etc, etc? Although I won't ever be taking another ms exam, what
    > about those of us who work and live in a different (supposedly)
    > civilized country like England?
    >
    > Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3


    For the record us civilised English wouldn't necessarily categorise
    countries such as Pakistan, India China as sh*tholes. Toodlie pip!
    Hutton.
    , Mar 29, 2007
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  15. Cerebrus

    Kline Sphere Guest

    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    >For the record us civilised English wouldn't necessarily categorise
    >countries such as Pakistan, India China as sh*tholes.


    we'll go and live over there then. but once you arrive, give away all
    your cash and affects so you have nothing, just so you have as much
    chance to make it as the average joe in whichever country you decide
    to take up residence in.

    more than half the population live in poverty, which claims the lives
    and many, many thousands each year, which an average life expectancy
    of somewhere in the mid sixties highlights this. their corrupt
    government allows the people to be exploited and reaps the profits for
    themselves. there should be few people living in poverty in either
    india or china, as these countries are pretty damn rich in comparison
    many others in the region. so, yes i'd say they are sh*tholes.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Mar 29, 2007
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    "Jonathan Roberts" <> wrote in message
    news:O9I#...
    > CertGuard wrote:
    >> It's a matter of cost vs. risk. If you were to take exams for people here in
    >> the US, you would have to charge upwards of $10,000 per exam in order for the
    >> cost benefits to outweigh the risk of getting caught and being jailed. Up
    >> until now, they could get the same ratio that I just mentioned (roughly) and
    >> still be able to keep the costs low enough for people such as you and I to
    >> pay for their services.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Jail time? Really or are you exaggerating? (No, I'm not fishing/baiting -- I
    > am curious what the basis for jail time would be in this instance).
    >

    Well, ok, maybe I was exaggerating a bit, or maybe it's just a bit of wishful
    thinking. Really I just didn't have time to completely review my post before I
    sent it. I suppose what I was looking for was "...getting caught and being
    sued...". Thanks for pointing that out...I wouldn't want to mislead anyone here.


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    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    Kline Sphere <.@> wrote in news::

    >>For the record us civilised English wouldn't necessarily categorise
    >>countries such as Pakistan, India China as sh*tholes.

    >
    > we'll go and live over there then. but once you arrive, give away all
    > your cash and affects so you have nothing, just so you have as much
    > chance to make it as the average joe in whichever country you decide
    > to take up residence in.
    >
    > more than half the population live in poverty, which claims the lives
    > and many, many thousands each year, which an average life expectancy
    > of somewhere in the mid sixties highlights this. their corrupt
    > government allows the people to be exploited and reaps the profits for
    > themselves. there should be few people living in poverty in either
    > india or china, as these countries are pretty damn rich in comparison
    > many others in the region. so, yes i'd say they are sh*tholes.


    ....and I would say that is the historic norm.

    What the 1st world has accomplished is a rarity in today's world and
    totally absent from the history books. When I was younger and more
    naive I thought "our" way would triumph over the other possible forms
    of economic and social organization. I also believed that science was
    the ultimate pursuit of truth and knowledge and would set humanity
    free from superstition, fear, and lies.

    But alas, I see the world moving away from what perhaps only existed
    except in my mind. Science is now carefully crafted propaganda
    designed to effect social and political change, our children are
    graduating from higher learning completely uneducated, making them
    susceptible to the lies perpetrated upon them. Democracy (or at least
    a representative republic) exists in the United States in name only.
    The socialists are winning, and everyone is ok with it.

    Bleak assessments of the future, like Orwell's 1984, seem more likely
    to me each day. Wake up you people. Ah, cr@p, now I feel bad.

    0x22
    kpg, Mar 29, 2007
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    JaR Guest

    CertGuard wrote:
    >
    >
    > "Jonathan Roberts" <> wrote in message
    > news:O9I#...
    >> CertGuard wrote:
    >>> It's a matter of cost vs. risk. If you were to take exams for people
    >>> here in the US, you would have to charge upwards of $10,000 per exam
    >>> in order for the cost benefits to outweigh the risk of getting caught
    >>> and being jailed. Up until now, they could get the same ratio that I
    >>> just mentioned (roughly) and still be able to keep the costs low
    >>> enough for people such as you and I to pay for their services.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Jail time? Really or are you exaggerating? (No, I'm not
    >> fishing/baiting -- I am curious what the basis for jail time would be
    >> in this instance).
    >>

    > Well, ok, maybe I was exaggerating a bit, or maybe it's just a bit of
    > wishful thinking. Really I just didn't have time to completely review my
    > post before I sent it. I suppose what I was looking for was "...getting
    > caught and being sued...". Thanks for pointing that out...I wouldn't
    > want to mislead anyone here.
    >
    >


    Well, thinking about it, because of the misrepresentation of identity, I
    suppose a case may be made for a fraud charge. I, of course, ANAL.

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    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    On Mar 29, 10:52 am, Kline Sphere <.@> wrote:
    > >For the record us civilised English wouldn't necessarily categorise
    > >countries such as Pakistan, India China as sh*tholes.

    >
    > we'll go and live over there then. but once you arrive, give away all
    > your cash and affects so you have nothing, just so you have as much
    > chance to make it as the average joe in whichever country you decide
    > to take up residence in.
    >
    > more than half the population live in poverty, which claims the lives
    > and many, many thousands each year, which an average life expectancy
    > of somewhere in the mid sixties highlights this. their corrupt
    > government allows the people to be exploited and reaps the profits for
    > themselves. there should be few people living in poverty in either
    > india or china, as these countries are pretty damn rich in comparison
    > many others in the region. so, yes i'd say they are sh*tholes.
    >
    > Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3


    I've travelled to a few of the places mentioned, people can be
    interesting, amazing, creative, you name it... Maybe due to their
    situation do not value their existence in the world on their material
    possessions. I agree, there are corrupt places and Governments just
    like there is in our countries; I lived in Manhattan for some time and
    was amazed how living conditions were great towards the prosperous
    south of the island/borough yet in the north people were dying due to
    a heat wave as they could not afford $100 air conditioning units.
    Your perception of a country is down to where you fit in society, you
    could have a similar "sh*t" existence in the UK or the US. My point
    was quite simply be a little careful when judging other countries, its
    easy to label places; life is lot more complex and interesting than
    office work and money.
    , Mar 30, 2007
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    Cerebrus Guest

    Re: The Value of IT Certifications

    On Mar 29, 2:52 pm, Kline Sphere <.@> wrote:

    > more than half the population live in poverty, which claims the lives
    > and many, many thousands each year, which an average life expectancy
    > of somewhere in the mid sixties highlights this. their corrupt
    > government allows the people to be exploited and reaps the profits for
    > themselves. there should be few people living in poverty in either
    > india or china, as these countries are pretty damn rich in comparison
    > many others in the region. so, yes i'd say they are sh*tholes.
    >
    > Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3


    Well, that kinda happens when Imperialistic nations like the United
    Kingdom rule over countries like India and Pakistan for 400 years,
    torture and kill the citizens at will, make slaves out of them,
    squeeze out just about every resource possible, reducing one of the
    richest countries of antiquity to one of the poorest, all the while
    filling their own coffers in the name of the Queen. When finally
    they're forced to leave by active rebellion, they divide the country
    by inflaming religious divisions within the society. What better
    parting gift ! Within a few years of independence, the fledgling
    democracy has to defend its borders against its neighbours, especially
    hawkish China in three different wars.

    It's been 60 years of independence... What the hell, I'm sorry we
    couldn't live up to your expectations.

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