[OT] Looking for new job: need advice

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by Some Dude, Oct 20, 2004.

  1. Some Dude

    Some Dude Guest

    I'm about to complete my last exam before I become a MCSE on Windows
    Server 2003. Currently, I'm in a PC Tech type of job. I won't bore
    you with details, but lets say I think things are headed in the wrong
    direction at my current job and I'm a bit bored in this position. I
    would like to post my resume out there with the keyword MCSE in it
    (bound to get a couple bites I assume), but I'm afraid my current
    employer might find out by doing a resume search. Is there a way of
    discreetly posting your resume while you continue to work for an
    employer or no?

    I also wonder how people get these administrator type of jobs. I've
    tried the contracting route a few years ago and found out that these
    types (Volt, Robert Half, Teksystems, etc) constantly lie through their
    teeth and throw you crap work. This was before 9/11! I can only
    imagine what they are like now.

    I have a 4 year degree in a Computer Science and as noted above, soon
    to be MCSE, along with current A+ and Security+ certifications. Maybe
    I don't have the experience, but I certainly have the ambition and I
    think the smarts to do a damn fine job.

    No flaming MCNGPs please!

    Thanks.
     
    Some Dude, Oct 20, 2004
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  2. Some Dude

    catwalker63 Guest

    Some Dude <> prattled ceaslessly in
    news::

    > Is there a way of discreetly posting your resume while you continue to
    > work for an employer or no?
    >
    > I also wonder how people get these administrator type of jobs.
    >


    You'll either get it by paying your dues at the He!! Desk or you might
    luck out and end up in it by accident. Network (with people) and you
    will likely find a better job.

    I don't personally recommend posting your resume to a searchable
    database -- too much personal information that can be misused. Apply
    directly for positions that interest you or try to network (this is with
    people again) your way into a company that interests you.

    --
    Catwalker
    aka Pu$$y Feet
    BS, MCP

    "Definitely not wearing any underwear."
     
    catwalker63, Oct 20, 2004
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  3. Some Dude

    Some Dude Guest

    catwalker63 <> wrote in
    news:Xns9587CBDF725Ecatwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:

    > You'll either get it by paying your dues at the He!! Desk or you
    > might luck out and end up in it by accident. Network (with
    > people) and you will likely find a better job.


    Trust me, I have paid my dues well over! I have spent a couple years in
    He11 Desk type jobs. I have a few tech friends and so far, I have come
    up with nothing, nada, zip. I did attend a community college to take
    some Microsoft courses and the guys there were getting into company
    positions via internships. Going back to the same college would be a
    waste of my time and money as I already have a college degree (and they
    were only offering associate degrees).
     
    Some Dude, Oct 20, 2004
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  4. Some Dude

    catwalker63 Guest

    Some Dude <> prattled ceaslessly in
    news::

    > catwalker63 <> wrote in
    > news:Xns9587CBDF725Ecatwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:
    >
    >> You'll either get it by paying your dues at the He!! Desk or you
    >> might luck out and end up in it by accident. Network (with
    >> people) and you will likely find a better job.

    >
    > Trust me, I have paid my dues well over! I have spent a couple years in
    > He11 Desk type jobs. I have a few tech friends and so far, I have come
    > up with nothing, nada, zip. I did attend a community college to take
    > some Microsoft courses and the guys there were getting into company
    > positions via internships. Going back to the same college would be a
    > waste of my time and money as I already have a college degree (and they
    > were only offering associate degrees).
    >


    Networking is, unfortunately, more complicated than having a few tech
    friends. The best way is to query everyone you know and ask them to come
    up with one or two people you can contact for an information interview.
    It's important not to ask these people for a job, but to come to them for
    information about what they would look for in an incumbant and what you
    can do to make yourself more marketable. Then you ask them to recommend
    2 or more people and you set up the same type of meeting with them. And
    so on, and so on, etc. etc., working your way to the people who make the
    hiring decision. Eventually you will score, but it may take time. It's
    all who you know so the more people you know, and more importantly, who
    know you, the better chance you have. Make it clear that you are not
    asking for a job and don't do anything during this meeting to make you a
    liar in this respect. Keep the meeting short and show respect and
    appreciation for their time.

    Also, get your resume in shape. The old rules for resumes are out so you
    may need to seek out some information about how to make your resume
    current. You'll need to do some research on networking techniques,
    interview skills, and salary negotiation, while you're at it. Get
    together a list of companies you'd like to work for and research them.
    Use your current contacts to try to network your way in to talk with
    hiring managers in an informal informational interview. The best jobs
    are not advertised.

    Most importantly, realize this type of work is a constant race to keep
    up. If you are not always learning something new you are going to lose.

    Good luck!

    --
    Catwalker
    aka Pu$$y Feet
    BS, MCP

    "Definitely not wearing any underwear."
     
    catwalker63, Oct 20, 2004
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  5. Some Dude

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way into
    the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!


    catwalker63 <> wrote in
    news:Xns9587D758A95C6catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:

    >
    > Networking is, unfortunately, more complicated than having a few tech
    > friends. The best way is to query everyone you know and ask them to
    > come up with one or two people you can contact for an information
    > interview. It's important not to ask these people for a job, but to
    > come to them for information about what they would look for in an
    > incumbant and what you can do to make yourself more marketable. Then
    > you ask them to recommend 2 or more people and you set up the same
    > type of meeting with them. And so on, and so on, etc. etc., working
    > your way to the people who make the hiring decision. Eventually you
    > will score, but it may take time. It's all who you know so the more
    > people you know, and more importantly, who know you, the better chance
    > you have. Make it clear that you are not asking for a job and don't
    > do anything during this meeting to make you a liar in this respect.
    > Keep the meeting short and show respect and appreciation for their
    > time.
    >
    > Also, get your resume in shape. The old rules for resumes are out so
    > you may need to seek out some information about how to make your
    > resume current. You'll need to do some research on networking
    > techniques, interview skills, and salary negotiation, while you're at
    > it. Get together a list of companies you'd like to work for and
    > research them. Use your current contacts to try to network your way
    > in to talk with hiring managers in an informal informational
    > interview. The best jobs are not advertised.
    >
    > Most importantly, realize this type of work is a constant race to keep
    > up. If you are not always learning something new you are going to
    > lose.
    >
    > Good luck!
    >


    Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
     
    Rowdy Yates, Oct 20, 2004
    #5
  6. Some Dude

    catwalker63 Guest

    Rowdy Yates <> prattled ceaslessly
    in news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:

    > i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way
    > into the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
    >


    There are advantages to that aproach, I suppose, but there are also some
    serious risks. Best consider carefully before undertaking this sort of
    enterprise. Unless you like prison, that is. <eg>

    --
    Catwalker
    aka Pu$$y Feet
    BS, MCP

    "Definitely not wearing any underwear."
     
    catwalker63, Oct 20, 2004
    #6
  7. Some Dude

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    catwalker63 <> wrote in
    news:Xns958813E7DDF1catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:

    > Rowdy Yates <> prattled ceaslessly
    > in news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
    >
    >> i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way
    >> into the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
    >>

    >
    > There are advantages to that aproach, I suppose, but there are also some
    > serious risks. Best consider carefully before undertaking this sort of
    > enterprise. Unless you like prison, that is. <eg>
    >


    prison! hey, we can all go and visit my old cell mate Bubba.

    --
    Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
    http://www.mcngp.com/
    "Shhhh... Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma!"
     
    Rowdy Yates, Oct 20, 2004
    #7
  8. Some Dude

    Network Guru Guest

    "Some Dude" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I'm about to complete my last exam before I become a MCSE on Windows
    > Server 2003. Currently, I'm in a PC Tech type of job. I won't bore
    > you with details, but lets say I think things are headed in the wrong
    > direction at my current job and I'm a bit bored in this position. I
    > would like to post my resume out there with the keyword MCSE in it
    > (bound to get a couple bites I assume), but I'm afraid my current
    > employer might find out by doing a resume search. Is there a way of
    > discreetly posting your resume while you continue to work for an
    > employer or no?
    >
    > I also wonder how people get these administrator type of jobs. I've
    > tried the contracting route a few years ago and found out that these
    > types (Volt, Robert Half, Teksystems, etc) constantly lie through their
    > teeth and throw you crap work. This was before 9/11! I can only
    > imagine what they are like now.
    >
    > I have a 4 year degree in a Computer Science and as noted above, soon
    > to be MCSE, along with current A+ and Security+ certifications. Maybe
    > I don't have the experience, but I certainly have the ambition and I
    > think the smarts to do a damn fine job.
    >
    > No flaming MCNGPs please!
    >
    > Thanks.



    The current climate is not favorable for Networking type jobs. However, you
    do have one qualification that makes you stand out from the crowd: BSCS
    degree. Use it to your advantage. Unfortunately,it seems everybody and
    everyone has the MCSE cert and its value is not what it once was. I used to
    (and still do) attend usergroup meetings in my area to network and meet new
    faces. My current employer has hired several people over the years that
    were referred through the user group meetings. Also, be proactive, don't
    wait for someone to ask you if you are looking. Grab the bull by the horns
    and initiate the conversation. "So you work for company XYZ.....Do you know
    if they are loking for network admins with BSCS and MCSE....."
     
    Network Guru, Oct 20, 2004
    #8
  9. Some Dude

    T-Bone Guest

    "Some Dude" <> wrote
    > No flaming MCNGPs please!


    The MCNGP generally apply a "don't ask, don't tell policy". So you won't
    find any flamers here.

    T-Bone
    MCNGP XL
    Not that there's anything wrong with that.
     
    T-Bone, Oct 20, 2004
    #9
  10. Some Dude

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    Network Guru wrote:
    > Unfortunately,it seems everybody and
    > everyone has the MCSE cert and its value is not what it once was.


    Well, you can say that again! Play it one more time Sir Duke!

    --
    Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
    http://www.mcngp.com/
    "Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"
     
    Rowdy Yates, Oct 20, 2004
    #10
  11. Some Dude

    Doom Guest

    "Rowdy Yates" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
    >i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way into
    > the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
    >

    GOOD LUCK IN PRISON
     
    Doom, Oct 20, 2004
    #11
  12. Some Dude

    Doom Guest


    > No flaming MCNGPs please!
    >

    Why would we set ourselves on fire. That's just crazy.
     
    Doom, Oct 20, 2004
    #12
  13. Some Dude

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    Doom wrote:
    > "Rowdy Yates" <> wrote in message
    > news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
    >
    >>i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way into
    >>the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
    >>

    >
    > GOOD LUCK IN PRISON
    >
    >


    NOT BEFORE I REPORT YOU TO THE FBI!

    --
    Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
    http://www.mcngp.com/
    "Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"
     
    Rowdy Yates, Oct 20, 2004
    #13
  14. Some Dude

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    Rowdy Yates, Oct 20, 2004
    #14
  15. Some Dude

    Doom Guest

    "Rowdy Yates" <> wrote in message
    news:%...
    > Doom wrote:
    >> "Rowdy Yates" <> wrote in message
    >> news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
    >>
    >>>i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way into
    >>>the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
    >>>

    >>
    >> GOOD LUCK IN PRISON

    >
    > NOT BEFORE I REPORT YOU TO THE FBI!
    >

    *YAWN*
     
    Doom, Oct 20, 2004
    #15
  16. Some Dude

    =meanoldman= Guest

    Well, the best way is to do it for yourself along with a few other random
    people.

    "catwalker63" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns958813E7DDF1catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136...
    > Rowdy Yates <> prattled ceaslessly
    > in news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
    >
    >> i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way
    >> into the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
    >>

    >
    > There are advantages to that aproach, I suppose, but there are also some
    > serious risks. Best consider carefully before undertaking this sort of
    > enterprise. Unless you like prison, that is. <eg>
    >
    > --
    > Catwalker
    > aka Pu$$y Feet
    > BS, MCP
    >
    > "Definitely not wearing any underwear."
     
    =meanoldman=, Oct 20, 2004
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  17. Some Dude

    LnkWizard Guest

    "Rowdy Yates" <> wrote in message
    news:uZ$...
    > Doom wrote:
    > >>No flaming MCNGPs please!
    > >>

    > >
    > > Why would we set ourselves on fire. That's just crazy.
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    > i thought this was you? it wasn' me! then who was it?
    >
    > http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10770031%5
    > E1702,00.html
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/6uywd
    >
    > :)
    >
    >
    > --
    > Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
    > http://www.mcngp.com/
    > "Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"


    He worked for Kerpal
    --
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5

    "He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
     
    LnkWizard, Oct 20, 2004
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  18. Some Dude

    Consultant Guest

    3 hots and a cot or is that cock? lol


    "catwalker63" <> wrote in message
    news:Xns958813E7DDF1catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136...
    > Rowdy Yates <> prattled ceaslessly
    > in news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
    >
    >> i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way
    >> into the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
    >>

    >
    > There are advantages to that aproach, I suppose, but there are also some
    > serious risks. Best consider carefully before undertaking this sort of
    > enterprise. Unless you like prison, that is. <eg>
    >
    > --
    > Catwalker
    > aka Pu$$y Feet
    > BS, MCP
    >
    > "Definitely not wearing any underwear."
     
    Consultant, Oct 20, 2004
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  19. Some Dude

    Consultant Guest

    "Some Dude" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I'm about to complete my last exam before I become a MCSE on Windows
    > Server 2003. Currently, I'm in a PC Tech type of job. I won't bore
    > you with details, but lets say I think things are headed in the wrong
    > direction at my current job and I'm a bit bored in this position. I
    > would like to post my resume out there with the keyword MCSE in it
    > (bound to get a couple bites I assume), but I'm afraid my current
    > employer might find out by doing a resume search. Is there a way of
    > discreetly posting your resume while you continue to work for an
    > employer or no?


    post your resume without publicly showing your contact info on monster.

    >
    > I also wonder how people get these administrator type of jobs. I've
    > tried the contracting route a few years ago and found out that these
    > types (Volt, Robert Half, Teksystems, etc) constantly lie through their
    > teeth and throw you crap work. This was before 9/11! I can only
    > imagine what they are like now.
    >


    well, we submit our resumes, interview, then accept an offer

    > I have a 4 year degree in a Computer Science and as noted above, soon
    > to be MCSE, along with current A+ and Security+ certifications. Maybe
    > I don't have the experience, but I certainly have the ambition and I
    > think the smarts to do a damn fine job.
    >


    certs are meaningless. experience means everything

    > No flaming MCNGPs please!
    >


    ask a stupid question, you get flamed. personally, i think you are asking
    for it.

    > Thanks.


    on a side note, if you were half as ambitious as you claim, then why would
    you have spent more then 6 months in a help desk position? just wondering.
     
    Consultant, Oct 20, 2004
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  20. Some Dude

    Rowdy Yates Guest

    Consultant wrote:
    >
    > well, we submit our resumes, interview, then accept an offer


    correction: we submit our resumes and never get called

    or

    correction: we submit our resumes, interview, and never get called

    or

    correction: we submit our resumes, interview, get an offer for a
    completely different job than the one we thought we were applying for.

    > on a side note, if you were half as ambitious as you claim, then why would
    > you have spent more then 6 months in a help desk position? just wondering.


    hey, there are some pretty hot babes in help desk these dayz.

    --
    Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
    http://www.mcngp.com/
    "Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"
     
    Rowdy Yates, Oct 20, 2004
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