Opinions on Bower Titanium 0.42X semi fisheye adapter

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Gisle Hannemyr, Jul 10, 2004.

  1. A number of outfits sell the "Titanium 0.42x" adapter made by Bower
    at eBay for $45 - billing it as either a "fisheye" or "super wide
    angle" (or both).

    I have been unable to locate any real reviews of this thing. Vendors
    on eBay give little technical detail and sample pictures thay show
    are too small to make it possible to make any judgement about its
    optical quality.

    The only opinon I was able to find was on the Nikonians BBS, where
    someone with the handle "yellowlab" says:

    "With a 35mm lens it gives a full frame fisheye effect and a 24mm
    lens it has a full circular 180 degree effect. The edges are soft,
    but at apertures f8 and above it is reasonably sharp and for what
    I need it for I couldn't beat the price. Not as nice as a true
    fisheye lens, but won't break the bank either."

    That sounds promising (I know that I can't expect miracles for $45).
    The intended use is as an adapter on my Canon G5 prime lens.

    But before I spend my hard-earned cash, I would like to hear some
    more opinions, and if possible, look at some full size crops of
    images taken through this adapter. I would also be interested
    in being pointed to online reviews or owner opinions posted to
    boards.

    Is there anyone out there that have used this that can post some
    opinions about it?

    And is there a kind owner that can put some center and edge crops
    from images taken through this adapter on the web (or if he or she
    prefers: just mail them to me as email attachements)?
    --
    - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
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    «To live outside the law, you must be honest.» (Bob Dylan)
    Gisle Hannemyr, Jul 10, 2004
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  2. Gisle Hannemyr

    Bob Salomon Guest

    In article <>,
    Gisle Hannemyr <> wrote:

    > "Titanium 0.42x" adapter made by Bower


    Bower doesn't make anything. They are a distributor. This specific item
    is a private label product that is probably available under a dozen, or
    more, names.

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    Bob Salomon, Jul 10, 2004
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  3. On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:31:14 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr
    <> wrote:

    >A number of outfits sell the "Titanium 0.42x" adapter made by Bower
    >at eBay for $45 - billing it as either a "fisheye" or "super wide
    >angle" (or both).
    >
    >I have been unable to locate any real reviews of this thing. Vendors
    >on eBay give little technical detail and sample pictures thay show
    >are too small to make it possible to make any judgement about its
    >optical quality.
    >
    >The only opinon I was able to find was on the Nikonians BBS, where
    >someone with the handle "yellowlab" says:


    Well, search the forums at www.dpreview.com . I saw some
    comments, mostly negative.

    --
    regards
    Vidar Grønvold
    Vidar Grønvold, Jul 11, 2004
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  4. Vidar Grønvold <> writes:
    > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:31:14 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr


    >> A number of outfits sell the "Titanium 0.42x" adapter at eBay for
    >> $45 - billing it as either a "fisheye" or "super wide angle" (or
    >> both).
    >>
    >> I have been unable to locate any real reviews of this thing.
    >> Vendors on eBay give little technical detail and sample pictures
    >> thay show are too small to make it possible to make any judgement
    >> about its optical quality.


    > Well, search the forums at www.dpreview.com . I saw some
    > comments, mostly negative.


    Thanks for the pointer! It doesn't look good, no.

    Canon sells a wide angle converter (WC-DC58N) for the G5 which I
    assume has decent optical performance, but it is only 0.7x - i.e.
    the equivalent of f=24.5mm. I want at least something like f=20mm.

    Any ideas on how to get reasonable quality wide angle or fisheye
    adapter for the G5 that provides an angle of view equivalent to
    20mm or less?
    --
    - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
    ========================================================================
    «To live outside the law, you must be honest.» (Bob Dylan)
    Gisle Hannemyr, Jul 11, 2004
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  5. Gisle Hannemyr

    Zol. Guest

    Hi,

    check http://kazutoku.cside.com/G3CON_eng.htm - although the site is for the G3 it provides
    some excellent info & test images of TC & WC lenses.

    Zol.


    "Gisle Hannemyr" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Vidar Grønvold <> writes:
    > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:31:14 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr

    >
    > >> A number of outfits sell the "Titanium 0.42x" adapter at eBay for
    > >> $45 - billing it as either a "fisheye" or "super wide angle" (or
    > >> both).
    > >>
    > >> I have been unable to locate any real reviews of this thing.
    > >> Vendors on eBay give little technical detail and sample pictures
    > >> thay show are too small to make it possible to make any judgement
    > >> about its optical quality.

    >
    > > Well, search the forums at www.dpreview.com . I saw some
    > > comments, mostly negative.

    >
    > Thanks for the pointer! It doesn't look good, no.
    >
    > Canon sells a wide angle converter (WC-DC58N) for the G5 which I
    > assume has decent optical performance, but it is only 0.7x - i.e.
    > the equivalent of f=24.5mm. I want at least something like f=20mm.
    >
    > Any ideas on how to get reasonable quality wide angle or fisheye
    > adapter for the G5 that provides an angle of view equivalent to
    > 20mm or less?
    > --
    > - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
    > ========================================================================
    > «To live outside the law, you must be honest.» (Bob Dylan)
    Zol., Jul 11, 2004
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  6. Gisle Hannemyr

    Zol. Guest

    Sorry that only goes down to .7x

    Zol.

    "Zol." <Zol.@The_End_of_The_World.com> wrote in message
    news:WC9Ic.29979$I%...
    > Hi,
    >
    > check http://kazutoku.cside.com/G3CON_eng.htm - although the site is for the G3 it

    provides
    > some excellent info & test images of TC & WC lenses.
    >
    > Zol.
    >
    >
    > "Gisle Hannemyr" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Vidar Grønvold <> writes:
    > > > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:31:14 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr

    > >
    > > >> A number of outfits sell the "Titanium 0.42x" adapter at eBay for
    > > >> $45 - billing it as either a "fisheye" or "super wide angle" (or
    > > >> both).
    > > >>
    > > >> I have been unable to locate any real reviews of this thing.
    > > >> Vendors on eBay give little technical detail and sample pictures
    > > >> thay show are too small to make it possible to make any judgement
    > > >> about its optical quality.

    > >
    > > > Well, search the forums at www.dpreview.com . I saw some
    > > > comments, mostly negative.

    > >
    > > Thanks for the pointer! It doesn't look good, no.
    > >
    > > Canon sells a wide angle converter (WC-DC58N) for the G5 which I
    > > assume has decent optical performance, but it is only 0.7x - i.e.
    > > the equivalent of f=24.5mm. I want at least something like f=20mm.
    > >
    > > Any ideas on how to get reasonable quality wide angle or fisheye
    > > adapter for the G5 that provides an angle of view equivalent to
    > > 20mm or less?
    > > --
    > > - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
    > > ========================================================================
    > > «To live outside the law, you must be honest.» (Bob Dylan)

    >
    >
    Zol., Jul 11, 2004
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  7. "Zol." <Zol.@The_End_of_The_World.com> writes:
    > Sorry that only goes down to .7x


    Thanks anyway! I may end up with a 0.7x converter if nothing decent
    with a wider angle exists.
    --
    - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
    ========================================================================
    «To live outside the law, you must be honest.» (Bob Dylan)
    Gisle Hannemyr, Jul 11, 2004
    #7
  8. On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:32:09 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr
    <> wrote:
    >Vidar Grønvold <> writes:
    >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:31:14 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr


    >>> A number of outfits sell the "Titanium 0.42x" adapter at eBay for
    >>> $45 - billing it as either a "fisheye" or "super wide angle" (or
    >>> both).
    >>>
    >>> I have been unable to locate any real reviews of this thing.
    >>> Vendors on eBay give little technical detail and sample pictures
    >>> thay show are too small to make it possible to make any judgement
    >>> about its optical quality.


    >> Well, search the forums at www.dpreview.com . I saw some
    >> comments, mostly negative.


    >Thanks for the pointer! It doesn't look good, no.


    >Canon sells a wide angle converter (WC-DC58N) for the G5 which I
    >assume has decent optical performance, but it is only 0.7x - i.e.
    >the equivalent of f=24.5mm. I want at least something like f=20mm.
    >
    >Any ideas on how to get reasonable quality wide angle or fisheye
    >adapter for the G5 that provides an angle of view equivalent to
    >20mm or less?


    Well, you should check out this webshop www.2filter.com . They
    are specialists in lenses/filters and adapters and you may get
    advice there.
    One thing to remember is that you may need the slimmest possibel
    if you need a step-up ring, to avoid vignetting and other kind of
    bads in the photo. That was the case with my Oly 2100uz with an
    Raynox 0.66. It's not a very good wide angle adapter, but the
    photos got better (hardly perfect) with an ultra-thin Kenko ring
    i bought from 2filter. They have good information at
    http://www.2filter.com/prices/products/adapterrings.html

    --
    regards
    Vidar Grønvold
    Vidar Grønvold, Jul 11, 2004
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  9. Wide angle converter for Canon G3/G5 [Was: Opinions on 0.42X ..]

    Vidar Grønvold <> writes:
    > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:32:09 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr


    >> Canon sells a wide angle converter (WC-DC58N) for the G5 which I
    >> assume has decent optical performance, but it is only 0.7x - i.e.
    >> the equivalent of f=24.5mm. I want at least something like f=20mm.
    >>
    >> Any ideas on how to get reasonable quality wide angle or fisheye
    >> adapter for the G5 that provides an angle of view equivalent to
    >> 20mm or less?


    > Well, you should check out this webshop www.2filter.com . They are
    > specialists in lenses/filters and adapters and you may get advice
    > there.


    Thanks, but I couldn't find much data advice 2filter.com. Maybe I
    looked the wrong place? They sell converters from Kenko, Raynox and
    Tiffen, but I there was little or no info about the actual products -
    no data about what cameras they are compatible with, no sample images,
    and no details about materials, coating, number of elements, etc.

    A good site for those that want to examine the image quality for
    different wide-angle converters is Lensmate (click on image to
    see it at full (i.e. G3) size:
    http://www.lensmateonline.com/G3wideangleconverters.html

    Raynox also put up decent size sample pictures on their site:
    http://www.raynox.co.jp/comparison/digital/comp_psg3.htm

    All the sample pictures shown are of acceptable quality for me.
    (The barrel distorsion is horrible, but I know how to fix that is
    software.) However, neither Lensmate nor Raynox tell what aperture
    they've used. Since all the pictures are exteriors in bright
    sunlight, it is obviously stopped down. I would also like to see
    full size samples of interiors taken at full bore.

    Beside Canon's own 0.7x converter, there seem to be just three other
    non-toy brands out there: Raynox, Kenko and Tiffen

    Any opinions about these?
    Are there any other brands I should consider?

    I find the Raynox range interesting:

    DCR-FE180PRO: $370 (0.24x)
    DCR-5000: $75 (0.5x)
    DCR-6600PRO: $100 (0.66x)
    DCR-720 $55 (0.72x)

    The DCR-5000 is fairly inexpensive, and if it's half decent, it will
    give me the eqvivalent of 18mm on a G5. The DCR-FE180PRO fisheye
    is tempting (it's a bit more than fifty bucks, tho ' :).
    --
    - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
    ========================================================================
    «To live outside the law, you must be honest.» (Bob Dylan)
    Gisle Hannemyr, Jul 12, 2004
    #9
  10. Bob Salomon <> writes:
    > Gisle Hannemyr <> wrote:


    >> "Titanium 0.42x" adapter made by Bower


    > Bower doesn't make anything. They are a distributor. This specific
    > item is a private label product that is probably available under a
    > dozen, or more, names.


    Thanks. I've realized that now.

    Googling for comments on 0.42x semi fisheye converters, I located
    these comments on the "ProOptic Deluxe" sold by Adorama for $40:

    http://photonotes.org/reviews/fisheye-adapter/
    http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=004t88

    I don't know whether this is exactly the same 0.42x adapter as the
    kits sold on eBay for $50 (and by other webshops for more than $100!)
    under various brand names such as "Titanium", "Digital Optics",
    "Deitz" (geddit?), "Hi Tech Optics", etc. - but they sound pretty
    similar. For example: they all have a Series VII thread, and they
    all have an extra detachable "macro" element.

    I also located some opinions on the photo.net board on the "Titanium"
    branded 0.42x converter:

    http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=007tQq

    I mailed the vendor of the "Titanium" brand converters and asked:
    1) What materials are the lenses are made off? and
    2) Would he mail me full size sample photos?

    No reply yet, which in itself is a "stay-away" sign.

    So, I've concluded that these eBay 0.42x converters are pretty
    much useless, and are now looking at other options.
    --
    - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
    ========================================================================
    «To live outside the law, you must be honest.» (Bob Dylan)
    Gisle Hannemyr, Jul 12, 2004
    #10
  11. Bob Salomon <> writes:
    > Gisle Hannemyr <> wrote:


    >> "Titanium 0.42x" adapter made by Bower


    > Bower doesn't make anything. They are a distributor. This specific
    > item is a private label product that is probably available under a
    > dozen, or more, names.


    Thanks. I've realized that now.

    Googling for comments on 0.42x semi fisheye converters, I located
    these comments on the "ProOptic Deluxe" sold by Adorama for $40:

    http://photonotes.org/reviews/fisheye-adapter/
    http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=004t88

    I don't know whether this is exactly the same 0.42x adapter as the
    kits sold on eBay for $50 (and by some other webshops for more than
    $100!). As you say, they go under various impressive-sounding names
    such as "Titanium", "Digital Optics", "Deitz" (geddit?), "Hi Tech
    Optics", etc. - but they sound pretty similar. For example: they all
    have a Series VII thread, and they all have a detachable rear "macro"
    element.

    I also located some opinions on the photo.net board on the "Titanium"
    branded 0.42x converter:

    http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=007tQq

    I mailed the vendor of the "Titanium" brand converters and asked:
    1) What materials are the lenses are made off? and
    2) Would he mail me full size sample photos?

    No reply yet, which in itself is a "stay-away" sign.

    So, I've concluded that these eBay 0.42x converters are pretty
    much useless, and are now looking at other options.
    --
    - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
    ========================================================================
    «To live outside the law, you must be honest.» (Bob Dylan)
    Gisle Hannemyr, Jul 12, 2004
    #11
  12. Re: Wide angle converter for Canon G3/G5 [Was: Opinions on 0.42X ..]

    On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:13:26 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr
    <> wrote:

    >Vidar Grønvold <> writes:
    >> On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:32:09 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr
    >> Well, you should check out this webshop www.2filter.com . They are
    >> specialists in lenses/filters and adapters and you may get advice
    >> there.


    >Thanks, but I couldn't find much data advice 2filter.com. Maybe I
    >looked the wrong place? They sell converters from Kenko, Raynox and
    >Tiffen, but I there was little or no info about the actual products -
    >no data about what cameras they are compatible with, no sample images,
    >and no details about materials, coating, number of elements, etc.


    No, I guess not, I was really thinking about mail. I guess I also
    was mostly remembering the step ring information on the page I
    linked to. I had learned from rpd that I needed an extra thin
    step ring for the Uzi and was frustrated I didn't found the
    needed information on webshops before i found 2filter.com.

    >Beside Canon's own 0.7x converter, there seem to be just three other
    >non-toy brands out there: Raynox, Kenko and Tiffen
    >
    >Any opinions about these?
    >Are there any other brands I should consider?
    >
    >I find the Raynox range interesting:
    >
    > DCR-FE180PRO: $370 (0.24x)
    > DCR-5000: $75 (0.5x)
    > DCR-6600PRO: $100 (0.66x)
    > DCR-720 $55 (0.72x)
    >
    >The DCR-5000 is fairly inexpensive, and if it's half decent, it will
    >give me the eqvivalent of 18mm on a G5. The DCR-FE180PRO fisheye
    >is tempting (it's a bit more than fifty bucks, tho ' :).


    I have the DCR-6600PRO for my Oly 2100uz. Here is two sample
    pictures I took right now on the balcony. (rainy day, dark pics,
    no enhancing). Without adapter:
    http://home.powertech.no/gronvold/dill/P7120019.JPG

    and with: http://home.powertech.no/gronvold/dill/P7120018.JPG

    Actually I don't think the adapter is so bad, when I look at it.
    The thinner Kenko step-up ring made wonders. The only degrading I
    can see is the obvious vignetting at top left and that I can take
    out with cloning. And I don't think every camera will have this
    problem. The Uzi has extremely long lenses.

    --
    regards
    Vidar Grønvold
    Vidar Grønvold, Jul 12, 2004
    #12
  13. Re: Wide angle converter for Canon G3/G5

    Vidar Grønvold <> writes:
    > On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:13:26 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr wrote:


    >> Beside Canon's own 0.7x converter, there seem to be just three
    >> other non-toy brands out there: Raynox, Kenko and Tiffen
    >>
    >> Any opinions about these?
    >> Are there any other brands I should consider?
    >>
    >> I find the Raynox range interesting:
    >>
    >> DCR-FE180PRO: $370 (0.24x)
    >> DCR-5000: $75 (0.5x)
    >> DCR-6600PRO: $100 (0.66x)
    >> DCR-720 $55 (0.72x)



    > I have the DCR-6600PRO for my Oly 2100uz. Here is two sample
    > pictures I took right now on the balcony. (rainy day, dark pics,
    > no enhancing). Without adapter:
    > http://home.powertech.no/gronvold/dill/P7120019.JPG
    > and with: http://home.powertech.no/gronvold/dill/P7120018.JPG


    Thanks! There is nothing like real images to judge quality.

    > Actually I don't think the adapter is so bad, when I look at it.
    > The thinner Kenko step-up ring made wonders. The only degrading I
    > can see is the obvious vignetting at top left and that I can take
    > out with cloning. And I don't think every camera will have this
    > problem. The Uzi has extremely long lenses.


    According to compatibility charts I've seem, it will not vignette with
    the Canon G5 and the Lensmate 52mm adapter (no need for extra step-up
    rings). It is a bit soft at the edges, but certainly within my bounds
    for acceptable quality.

    This looks promising.
    --
    - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
    ========================================================================
    «To live outside the law, you must be honest.» (Bob Dylan)
    Gisle Hannemyr, Jul 13, 2004
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