Open Office 2

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Philip, Nov 3, 2005.

  1. Philip

    Philip Guest

    Just installing oO2 and I see there are two versions: one with JRE and
    one without. Opinions please: which is better, and what if any
    functionality is added by using java?

    Incidentally, on the Planet Mirror download site as I download at no
    cost the latest Open Office version 2, a Google-placed ad for
    fishpond.co.nz offers tzo sell me Open Office 1.1.4 for $8.95. That'll
    teach them to rely on computers to place their ads...

    Philip
    Philip, Nov 3, 2005
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  2. Philip

    Chris Hope Guest

    Philip wrote:

    > Just installing oO2 and I see there are two versions: one with JRE and
    > one without. Opinions please: which is better, and what if any
    > functionality is added by using java?
    >
    > Incidentally, on the Planet Mirror download site as I download at no
    > cost the latest Open Office version 2, a Google-placed ad for
    > fishpond.co.nz offers tzo sell me Open Office 1.1.4 for $8.95. That'll
    > teach them to rely on computers to place their ads...


    With Google ads you specify the creative yourself and which keywords to
    show that ad for. So they'll just be targeting "openoffice" and "open
    office" and they won't have updated either their product or the ad yet.

    --
    Chris Hope | www.electrictoolbox.com | www.linuxcdmall.co.nz
    Chris Hope, Nov 3, 2005
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  3. Philip

    Fran Guest

    Philip wrote:

    > Just installing oO2 and I see there are two versions: one with JRE and
    > one without. Opinions please: which is better, and what if any
    > functionality is added by using java?


    The database relies on java for one.

    If you already have a JRE installed then go for the one without.

    Fran
    :):):)
    Fran, Nov 3, 2005
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  4. Philip

    XP Guest

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:35:59 +1300, Philip <> wrote:

    >Just installing oO2 and I see there are two versions: one with JRE and
    >one without. Opinions please: which is better, and what if any
    >functionality is added by using java?
    >
    >Incidentally, on the Planet Mirror download site as I download at no
    >cost the latest Open Office version 2, a Google-placed ad for
    >fishpond.co.nz offers tzo sell me Open Office 1.1.4 for $8.95. That'll
    >teach them to rely on computers to place their ads...
    >
    >Philip




    I number of web post that is calling it Crap, uses far to many Resources and
    Hogs the CPU.
    XP, Nov 3, 2005
    #4
  5. Philip

    Nik Coughin Guest

    XP wrote:
    > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:35:59 +1300, Philip <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Just installing oO2 and I see there are two versions: one with JRE
    >> and one without. Opinions please: which is better, and what if any
    >> functionality is added by using java?
    >>
    >> Incidentally, on the Planet Mirror download site as I download at no
    >> cost the latest Open Office version 2, a Google-placed ad for
    >> fishpond.co.nz offers tzo sell me Open Office 1.1.4 for $8.95.
    >> That'll teach them to rely on computers to place their ads...
    >>
    >> Philip

    >
    >
    >
    > I number of web post that is calling it Crap, uses far to many
    > Resources and Hogs the CPU.


    I just did a Google search for 'Open Office review', and then picked from
    the results only the ones that related to Open Office 2. They were all
    quite flattering. The only major criticism that I saw was that advanced
    Excel users might find a few things lacking in Calc. I notice that a lot of
    the reviews for the older versions of OO aren't so flattering though,
    perhaps that's what you were looking at?
    Nik Coughin, Nov 3, 2005
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  6. Philip

    -=rjh=- Guest

    XP wrote:
    > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:35:59 +1300, Philip <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Just installing oO2 and I see there are two versions: one with JRE and
    >>one without. Opinions please: which is better, and what if any
    >>functionality is added by using java?
    >>
    >>Incidentally, on the Planet Mirror download site as I download at no
    >>cost the latest Open Office version 2, a Google-placed ad for
    >>fishpond.co.nz offers tzo sell me Open Office 1.1.4 for $8.95. That'll
    >>teach them to rely on computers to place their ads...
    >>
    >>Philip

    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I number of web post that is calling it Crap, uses far to many Resources and
    > Hogs the CPU.
    >


    On my system it takes 30s to open an empty V2.0 spreadsheet from cold;
    and uses about 33MB of memory. Then, opening a file opens another
    instance of calc and memory usage is now 48,944K. That is pretty
    shocking really.

    But, that is *less* than doing exactly the same things with the previous
    version of Oo_O on the same system - my system shows V1.1.3 uses 45MB
    and 55MB respectively.

    Why was nobody complaining about this earlier? Will these same people
    who are complaining now be complaining when they find Office 12 requires
    even more resources?

    This isn't good performance by any measure, but on the good side, cpu
    usage is virtually zero.
    -=rjh=-, Nov 3, 2005
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  7. Philip

    cyril Guest

    "but on the good side, cpu
    usage is virtually zero."

    Should damb well think so, all its doing is blinking a cursor!

    Cyril
    cyril, Nov 3, 2005
    #7
  8. Philip

    Nik Coughin Guest

    -=rjh=- wrote:
    > XP wrote:
    >> I number of web post that is calling it Crap, uses far to many
    >> Resources and Hogs the CPU.
    >>

    >
    > On my system it takes 30s to open an empty V2.0 spreadsheet from cold;
    > and uses about 33MB of memory. Then, opening a file opens another
    > instance of calc and memory usage is now 48,944K. That is pretty
    > shocking really.


    Excel 2003 on my system, 10s and 11mb. Opening another file (a small,
    reasonably simple one) pushes it up to 30mb. Don't have OO so can't
    compare.
    Nik Coughin, Nov 3, 2005
    #8
  9. Philip

    Mercury Guest

    OO does not have a database product. It has a thing called base that will
    lead people to think they have a database when that is the last thing they
    have.


    "Fran" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Philip wrote:
    >
    >> Just installing oO2 and I see there are two versions: one with JRE and
    >> one without. Opinions please: which is better, and what if any
    >> functionality is added by using java?

    >
    > The database relies on java for one.
    >
    > If you already have a JRE installed then go for the one without.
    >
    > Fran
    > :):):)
    Mercury, Nov 4, 2005
    #9
  10. Philip

    shannon Guest

    Mercury wrote:
    > OO does not have a database product. It has a thing called base that will
    > lead people to think they have a database when that is the last thing they
    > have.
    >


    I'm sure this is what you really meant to say. ;-)

    http://www.openoffice.org/product2/base.html


    New to Version 2, BASE enables you to manipulate database data
    seamlessly within OpenOffice.org. Create and modify tables, forms,
    queries, and reports, either using your own database or BASE’s own
    built-in HSQL database engine. BASE offers a choice of using Wizards,
    Design Views, or SQL Views for beginners, intermediate, and advanced users.
    Maintaining your data

    With BASE, you can:

    * Create new tables for your data - and also change them as your
    needs change
    * Maintain indexes on the tables to make data access faster
    * View a table in an editing grid and add, change, and delete records
    * Use the Report Wizard to produce impressive reports from your data
    * Use the Form Wizard to create 'instant' database applications

    Using your data

    Using BASE, you can not only browse your data, but also:

    * Perform simple (single column) or complex (multi-column) sorts
    * View subsets of your data with simple (one-click) or complex
    (logical query) filters
    * Create powerful queries to show your data in new ways, including
    summaries and multi-table views
    * Produce reports in a wide variety of formats using the Report
    AutoPilot

    Technical footnotes

    BASE includes a full version of the HSQL database engine, storing data
    in XML files. It can also access dBASE files natively for simple
    database work.

    For more advanced requirements, BASE supports many popular databases
    database natively (Adabas D, ADO, Microsoft Access, MySQL), or any
    database through industry-standard ODBC and JDBC drivers. It also
    supports any LDAP compliant address book, as well as common formats such
    as Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Windows, and Mozilla.
    shannon, Nov 4, 2005
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  11. Philip

    Mercury Guest

    Quite.

    This bit in particular: "BASE includes a full version of the HSQL database
    engine, storing data in XML files".

    IE it is not a DBMS.



    "shannon" <> wrote in message news:436ada83$...
    > Mercury wrote:
    >> OO does not have a database product. It has a thing called base that will
    >> lead people to think they have a database when that is the last thing
    >> they have.
    >>

    >
    > I'm sure this is what you really meant to say. ;-)
    >
    > http://www.openoffice.org/product2/base.html
    >
    >
    > New to Version 2, BASE enables you to manipulate database data seamlessly
    > within OpenOffice.org. Create and modify tables, forms, queries, and
    > reports, either using your own database or BASE’s own built-in HSQL
    > database engine. BASE offers a choice of using Wizards, Design Views, or
    > SQL Views for beginners, intermediate, and advanced users.
    > Maintaining your data
    >
    > With BASE, you can:
    >
    > * Create new tables for your data - and also change them as your needs
    > change
    > * Maintain indexes on the tables to make data access faster
    > * View a table in an editing grid and add, change, and delete records
    > * Use the Report Wizard to produce impressive reports from your data
    > * Use the Form Wizard to create 'instant' database applications
    >
    > Using your data
    >
    > Using BASE, you can not only browse your data, but also:
    >
    > * Perform simple (single column) or complex (multi-column) sorts
    > * View subsets of your data with simple (one-click) or complex
    > (logical query) filters
    > * Create powerful queries to show your data in new ways, including
    > summaries and multi-table views
    > * Produce reports in a wide variety of formats using the Report
    > AutoPilot
    >
    > Technical footnotes
    >
    > BASE includes a full version of the HSQL database engine, storing data in
    > XML files. It can also access dBASE files natively for simple database
    > work.
    >
    > For more advanced requirements, BASE supports many popular databases
    > database natively (Adabas D, ADO, Microsoft Access, MySQL), or any
    > database through industry-standard ODBC and JDBC drivers. It also supports
    > any LDAP compliant address book, as well as common formats such as
    > Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Windows, and Mozilla.
    Mercury, Nov 4, 2005
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  12. Philip

    ChrisOD Guest

    In article <dkelup$uh2$>, Mercury wrote:
    > Quite.
    >
    > This bit in particular: "BASE includes a full version of the HSQL database
    > engine, storing data in XML files".
    >
    > IE it is not a DBMS.
    >

    I think you left a letter out.
    it is not a Rdbms.
    ChrisOD, Nov 4, 2005
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  13. Philip

    Mercury Guest

    relational or not its marginal.



    "ChrisOD" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <dkelup$uh2$>, Mercury wrote:
    >> Quite.
    >>
    >> This bit in particular: "BASE includes a full version of the HSQL
    >> database
    >> engine, storing data in XML files".
    >>
    >> IE it is not a DBMS.
    >>

    > I think you left a letter out.
    > it is not a Rdbms.
    >
    Mercury, Nov 4, 2005
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  14. Philip

    Fran Guest

    Mercury wrote:

    > Quite.
    >
    > This bit in particular: "BASE includes a full version of the HSQL database
    > engine, storing data in XML files".
    >
    > IE it is not a DBMS.


    Just like Access.


    In OpenOffice.org Base, you can access data that is stored in a wide variety
    of database file formats. OpenOffice.org Base natively supports some flat
    file database formats, such as the dBase format. You can also use
    OpenOffice.org Base to connect to external relational databases, such as
    databases from MySQL or Oracle.

    Hmmm.
    You can manage data that is in a database.
    DataBase Management Thingy?
    DBMT

    Fran
    :):):)
    Fran, Nov 4, 2005
    #14
  15. Philip

    Mercury Guest

    To the contrary. Access uses a proper DBMS structure, whereas Base uses XML.

    "Fran" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Mercury wrote:
    >
    >> Quite.
    >>
    >> This bit in particular: "BASE includes a full version of the HSQL
    >> database
    >> engine, storing data in XML files".
    >>
    >> IE it is not a DBMS.

    >
    > Just like Access.
    >
    >
    > In OpenOffice.org Base, you can access data that is stored in a wide
    > variety
    > of database file formats. OpenOffice.org Base natively supports some flat
    > file database formats, such as the dBase format. You can also use
    > OpenOffice.org Base to connect to external relational databases, such as
    > databases from MySQL or Oracle.
    >
    > Hmmm.
    > You can manage data that is in a database.
    > DataBase Management Thingy?
    > DBMT
    >
    > Fran
    > :):):)
    Mercury, Nov 4, 2005
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  16. Philip

    -=rjh=- Guest

    Mercury wrote:
    > To the contrary. Access uses a proper DBMS structure, whereas Base uses XML.


    Will Access continue with "a proper DBMS structure" (what you you mean
    by this?) or will this change to (MS)XML in Office 12?

    And hasn't the .odb (XML) document type been accepted by the ISO -
    surely that indicates that it is suited to that use? Apart from Oo_O,
    Kexi is also using .odb - does Kexi meet your definition of being a
    database, or DBMS?

    >
    > "Fran" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>Mercury wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Quite.
    >>>
    >>>This bit in particular: "BASE includes a full version of the HSQL
    >>>database
    >>>engine, storing data in XML files".
    >>>
    >>>IE it is not a DBMS.

    >>
    >>Just like Access.
    >>
    >>
    >>In OpenOffice.org Base, you can access data that is stored in a wide
    >>variety
    >>of database file formats. OpenOffice.org Base natively supports some flat
    >>file database formats, such as the dBase format. You can also use
    >>OpenOffice.org Base to connect to external relational databases, such as
    >>databases from MySQL or Oracle.
    >>
    >>Hmmm.
    >>You can manage data that is in a database.
    >>DataBase Management Thingy?
    >>DBMT
    >>
    >>Fran
    >>:):):)

    >
    >
    >
    -=rjh=-, Nov 4, 2005
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  17. Philip

    Fran Guest

    Mercury wrote:

    > To the contrary. Access uses a proper DBMS structure, whereas Base uses
    > XML.


    Access is/was a frontend for the Jet database engine.

    Base is a front end for it's XML format and "external relational databases,
    such as databases from MySQL or Oracle".

    Just as Access can.

    Fran
    :):):)
    Fran, Nov 4, 2005
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  18. Philip

    Bling Bling Guest

    On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:51:49 +1300, Mercury wrote:

    > To the contrary. Access uses a proper DBMS structure, whereas Base uses XML.


    Base uses MySQL databases.

    Access uses dbase files.

    Which is the superior database?


    Bling Bling

    --
    Pamela Jones: "Linux will continue to grow, and open formats and standards
    will continue to be adopted in part because we don't trust Microsoft."
    Bling Bling, Nov 5, 2005
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  19. Philip

    Fran Guest

    Bling Bling wrote:

    > On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:51:49 +1300, Mercury wrote:
    >
    >> To the contrary. Access uses a proper DBMS structure, whereas Base uses
    >> XML.

    >
    > Base uses MySQL databases.
    >
    > Access uses dbase files.
    >
    > Which is the superior database?
    >
    >
    > Bling Bling
    >


    This is a trick question isn't it.

    What colour are the MySQL and dBase files?

    Fran
    :):):)
    Fran, Nov 5, 2005
    #19
  20. Philip

    shannon Guest

    Fran wrote:
    > Bling Bling wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:51:49 +1300, Mercury wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>To the contrary. Access uses a proper DBMS structure, whereas Base uses
    >>>XML.

    >>
    >>Base uses MySQL databases.
    >>
    >>Access uses dbase files.
    >>
    >>Which is the superior database?
    >>
    >>
    >>Bling Bling
    >>

    >
    >
    > This is a trick question isn't it.
    >
    > What colour are the MySQL and dBase files?
    >
    > Fran
    > :):):)


    The trick is that both statements are wrong.
    shannon, Nov 5, 2005
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