Oh Dear...35 percent of users "downgrade" their Vista systems to XP

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Peter Jenkins, Aug 19, 2008.

  1. This from Info world

    Bursting the Vista sales bubble
    Our Windows Sentinel tracking data shows that 35 percent of mainly
    enterprise-class users "downgrade" their Vista systems to XP

    For weeks now there've been rumors that major PC makers, like Hewlett-
    Packard, have been quietly selling PCs with a Vista license but
    actually shipping them with the now "outlawed" Windows XP installed
    (no doubt using the "downgrade" license loophole). For these vendors,
    it's all about keeping their customers happy: Buyers want XP, so
    vendors are finding ways to provide it -- even if the practice serves
    to artificially inflate the sales figures for Vista.

    Read the rest here....
    http://weblog.infoworld.com/sentinel/archives/2008/08/bursting_the_vi.html

    Also this from PC World;

    Research: A third of new PCs being downgraded to XP

    http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/feature/B63DA52DF63EE5B1CC2574A9007384D3

    The last couple of paragraphs are especially telling;

    Last year, Devil Mountain benchmarked Vista and XP performance using
    other performance testing tools, and concluded that XP was much
    faster . Barth said things hadn't changed since then. "Everything I've
    seen clearly shows me that Vista is an OS that should never have left
    the barn."

    Even when stripping Vista down to core components to make it as close
    in functionality to XP as possible, Vista was 40% slower, Barth
    claimed, citing recent tests Devil Mountain's done. "Vista's
    performance had been an ongoing problem, and the only thing that's
    saving Microsoft's bacon is the faster processors and more RAM on
    today's PCs.


    Persinally, I have just upgraded from Windows 2000 to XP, dual booting
    to Ubuntu (well it will when get the time to install it, I have a
    partition set aside and all, and the Hardy Heron disc is sitting on
    the sideboard....). I have experienced Vista on a desktop and a
    couple of laptops and would say that the 40% slower is about right


    Regards
    Peter Jenkins
    see http://www.sensiblesentencing.org.nz
    Peter Jenkins, Aug 19, 2008
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  2. Peter Jenkins

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarweb "Max Burke" typed:
    >> Peter Jenkins wrote
    >> Research: A third of new PCs being downgraded to XP

    >
    > That means 65% are NOT being downgraded.


    Considering that "downgrade" means:

    1: to lower in quality, value, status, or extent

    2: To minimize the importance, value, or reputation of.

    3: rate lower; lower in value or esteem

    4: A decline, as in fortune, status, or condition

    (taken from dictionary.com and merriam-webster.com variously)

    then the fact that a third of people are doing it (actively, not passively)
    speaks volumes about their opinion of Vista.

    > But hey that wont spoil your 'feelings of superiority' will it...


    Wow! Did someone touch a nerve? IME it usually takes a lot more than Peter
    wrote for someone to tip over into ad hominem mode.

    > Tell me Peter why are stories/rumours like this *so important* to you?


    Once again, playing the man rather than the ball.

    It speaks volumes.
    --
    Shaun.

    DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me
    offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
    If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
    me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-)
    ~misfit~, Aug 19, 2008
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  3. Peter Jenkins

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarweb "Puddle" typed:
    > Peter Jenkins wrote:
    >> This from Info world
    >>
    >> Bursting the Vista sales bubble
    >> Our Windows Sentinel tracking data shows that 35 percent of mainly
    >> enterprise-class users "downgrade" their Vista systems to XP
    >>
    >> For weeks now there've been rumors that major PC makers, like
    >> Hewlett- Packard, have been quietly selling PCs with a Vista license
    >> but actually shipping them with the now "outlawed" Windows XP
    >> installed (no doubt using the "downgrade" license loophole). For
    >> these vendors, it's all about keeping their customers happy: Buyers
    >> want XP, so vendors are finding ways to provide it -- even if the
    >> practice serves to artificially inflate the sales figures for Vista.
    >>

    >
    > Rumors? Sounds like a strong base for an article.


    You snipped this bit from Peter's post:

    > Research: A third of new PCs being downgraded to XP
    >
    > http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/feature/B63DA52DF63EE5B1CC2574A9007384D3


    Selective snippage is very telling. Have you a vested interest? Going by the
    amount of requests for machines running XP that I see in newsgroups,
    hardware forums and IRL what Peter posted is quite true. Why on Earth would
    two posters instantly jump on him for saying it?

    *That* is the question.
    --
    Shaun.

    DISCLAIMER: If you find a posting or message from me
    offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
    If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
    me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... ;-)
    ~misfit~, Aug 19, 2008
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  4. Re: Oh Dear...35 percent of users "downgrade" their Vista systemsto XP

    "thingy" <> wrote in message
    news:48aa7036$...
    > Puddle wrote:
    >> Peter Jenkins wrote:
    >>> This from Info world
    >>>
    >>> Bursting the Vista sales bubble
    >>> Our Windows Sentinel tracking data shows that 35 percent of mainly
    >>> enterprise-class users "downgrade" their Vista systems to XP
    >>>
    >>> For weeks now there've been rumors that major PC makers, like Hewlett-
    >>> Packard, have been quietly selling PCs with a Vista license but
    >>> actually shipping them with the now "outlawed" Windows XP installed
    >>> (no doubt using the "downgrade" license loophole). For these vendors,
    >>> it's all about keeping their customers happy: Buyers want XP, so
    >>> vendors are finding ways to provide it -- even if the practice serves
    >>> to artificially inflate the sales figures for Vista.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Rumors? Sounds like a strong base for an article.

    >
    > We are buying PCs with Vista, we then put XP on them...we might end up on
    > Vista next year, its a big might though...Oh and since we allow
    > considerable user choice our Macs are up from 300 to 500 in two years....
    >
    > regards
    >
    > Thing


    Interesting. We have a mixed user base what began (when I started) as a 50 /
    50 mix of Mac and PC (XP).
    Over 5 years quite a few have shifted from Mac to PC, but only 1 from PC to
    Mac.
    We are now about 40% Mac, and 60% PC. Because we have and MCA agreement with
    M$ we just wipe everything and load XP.
    From 750 active computers we have only 6 are using Vista or Linux. Around
    300 using OSX, and around 440 using Windows XP.
    The "back end" of the place was heavily dominated by OSX (servers, backup
    servers, specialist equipment computers) when I started. But as they are
    retired they'll be gettings replaced with Windows for two main reasons,
    better performance, and lesser OS ongoing costs. It's very expensive to keep
    the OS on a Mac current. A new OS is released nearly every year, and it's
    entirely possible that a Mac bought now will not be able to run a new
    program off the shelf in 6 months time without an expensive upgrade to the
    latest OS.

    J&H.
    Jekyll and Hyde, Aug 19, 2008
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  5. Peter Jenkins

    impossible Guest

    "Peter Jenkins" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > This from Info world
    >
    > Bursting the Vista sales bubble
    > Our Windows Sentinel tracking data shows that 35 percent of mainly
    > enterprise-class users "downgrade" their Vista systems to XP
    >
    > For weeks now there've been rumors that major PC makers, like Hewlett-
    > Packard, have been quietly selling PCs with a Vista license but
    > actually shipping them with the now "outlawed" Windows XP installed
    > (no doubt using the "downgrade" license loophole). For these vendors,
    > it's all about keeping their customers happy: Buyers want XP, so
    > vendors are finding ways to provide it -- even if the practice serves
    > to artificially inflate the sales figures for Vista.
    >
    > Read the rest here....
    > http://weblog.infoworld.com/sentinel/archives/2008/08/bursting_the_vi.html


    My 8-year-old also tends to accept much of what is posted on the net
    uncritically. In this case, I would suggest to her that she question the
    source of the data -- "InfoWorld Windows Sentinel" -- which is based on a
    highly selective opt-in survey financed by IBM and fed by anti-Microsoft
    fanboys.

    >
    > Also this from PC World;
    >
    > Research: A third of new PCs being downgraded to XP
    >
    > http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/feature/B63DA52DF63EE5B1CC2574A9007384D3
    >


    In this case, the reference to Devil Mountain Software betrays the bias,
    because Devil Mountain is an InfoWorld (IBM) partner. Devil Mountain markets
    benchmark products, and made a name for itself last year by publishing a
    Vista v. XP comparison that wasn't even close to being objective. I won't
    bother asking you to detail the data, because I'm quite sure you've never
    once bothered to investigate the methodology.

    My daughter can be forgiven for her naivete -- you, on the other hand,
    should be ashamed of yourself.
    impossible, Aug 19, 2008
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